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I instinctively wanted to oppose it, I don't know why, but then I remembered this WoB. If the Surge of Gravitation doesn't just play with acceleration or Gravitational constant but actually creates something like a fake "spiritual supermassive object in direction indicated" then even if it doesn't exist it would affect the spacetime in the same way as normal gravity does, thus allowing Windrunners to create time dilation with very powerful Lashings. But then again, they already can Lash themself so many times to reach speeds close to the speed of light in a short time, which will cause time dilation so...

No, it would be the same. The hotter the wire, the greater the resistance. You would still need the same power to reach that temperature. At least that's what I think, but I might be wrong here. Electrician would be handy. Compare that to a bullet. How huge it is. And how much power do you generate with that? Few Watts? For digging in the previous topic I found out that 100W would be needed for that temp (but I'm highly unsure if that's the correct number, electricity isn't my thing, somebody correct me if I'm wrong), so that's not possible.

I don't think it's possible anymore, because of the epilogue. If he would plan to reveal then they would ask questions like why didn't he tell that sooner, or tell Hoid, or why did he destroy his Breaths (Hoid will realize that early on in SA5) so there will be a solid ground for mistrust if Taravangian just told them now. If he were to do that he would play his meeting with Hoid differently and he wouldn't wonder after Ascension if they will realize what happened there with Szeth and Nightblood.

So, Elend saw a lot with the Atium+duralumin combo, he saw the whole plan of Preservation and his role in it, he saw that he needs to die from Marsh's hands. That's a lot. Moreover just burning Atium-electrum alloy helps with placing spikes. So I think that burning pure Atium might give you what you want. But in a very specific circumstance. If you have a victim already chosen, or better, there in front of you ready to be spikes, and you have a specific intent in mind, like stealing as much as possible as effective as it can be, burning Atium might help you choose the best spike and placement and provide that understanding of what you're doing to modify your intent on the go, so you will get what you can fro your victim, more than normally possible. You will see every possible scenario of what you can take from that person and what you can get from that spike, and choose the best outcome. Just like Elend burned Atium with duralumin and hit Marsh with a sword in a non-lethal place, the same way you will burn it and spike that person to get the most you can. That's why I think it's possible but in far more specific circumstances, rather than granting you a general knowledge. It's a logical conclusion. Atium-electrum alloy already does this, it steals any power. How better can it get from that? I don't think it would extend to stealing attributes too. And it's already part of hemalurgy that a single spike can hold more than one charge (TLM proves this), because they don't know that they can do that, so pure Atium won't be simply "you can fit more" as you always could do that. I don't know what pure Atium would do better than its alloy. For Harmonium, there is a way to use Scadrian god metals to create a Fullmind, a metal mind that can store any attribute. Maybe Harmonium is involved?

The wound after breaking a contract isn't temporary, it lasts for a long time or is even permanent. Just look at what has happened with Preservations. He was dying for thousands of years. Not only that, breaking his oath would put him in Dalinar's hands, and Dalinar could force him to make more concessions which Todium isn't willing to risk. That's not gonna happen. He won't break the deal. He simply can't. Even if Cultivation didn't finish him, even if Dalinar didn't use that to secure Roshar forever, even if Odium didn't die in a long term, with a hole in his soul Odium would be permanently incapable of fighting with another Shard, as he would be always weakened and all could exploited his broken word to kill him for good. RoW ch 112:

Nope. It won't help. You need to reach 3000 degree Celsius (or was it Farenheit in books? TLM doesn't tell and I'm angry), and at that point most metals would melt - you can't make a Harmonium-Trellium bullet. There was a topic like this recently (https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/127416-harmoniumtrellium-bullets/) Sunlight spores don't produce heat that's even close to that, and the heat won't be able to produce enough electricity to reach 3000 degrees in such a small thing as a bullet. With or without spores you still need the same amout of power to heat up metal up to 3000 degree with an electric current. And you need electric current, heat alone isn't enough: Putting spores with water into a small bullet with a thermoelectric generator (they are massive) and battery powerful enough to heat up metal up to 3000 degrees - nope. Not possible. Bullet is too small for that. Look at 1900 tech, everything was massive compared to what we have today. You can't miniaturize it and fit into a bullet, even with today's tech it isn't possible. Maybe in a very big artillery shell, torpedo or bomb it would fit, but not in a gun bullet. Thermoelectric generators aren't the answer. Looking at google, they're big, not efficient, limited up to 1000 degree C, which isn't enough here, and don't produce that much power - and I'm looking at modern types.

Yes, it's important. We don't know why. Brandon has Rafo every single question about it but Unity, and later the word "Ascend", being capitalized, are important.

Cosmere spoilers: Thank you. Now I see the value of F-electrum, a bit of determination would help me reread posts from a few last days. Maybe I should start "F-electrum appreciation corner"? I saw this. I hope you regain your... copper soon.

It's invested with Stormlight, it would resist a Shardblade. It would be constantly infused with Tension or Cohesion for joints to move and plate to repair itself and change shapes. That's why it would be invested and would resist a Shardblade cut to some degree. Not like a Shardplate, it wouldn't be that invested, but like a strong Half-Shard or something like that (well technically a Shardplate segment can withstand 2 strong hits form a Shardblade, just like a Half-Shard, so each individual segment of a Shardplate is a bit more invested invested than a Half-Shard) But mainly the topic was about vs Mistborn (or I was talking mostly about Mistborn, I don't remember), and he would have no chance against a stone armor, A metalmind can stop a Shardblade for a few strikes. A Half-Shard can stop 2 strikes. An Awakened cloth with enough Breaths would stop a Shardblade. A Shardplate is almost as invested as a Shardblade.

Right, that one. I thought it would be Leshwi. But look at the last word "when men and singers had been allies". They have an interesting implication, as that means there was a relationship between humans and singers, a deep one, not just occasional trade, but full alliance. And that alliance would also explained from where humans got weapons - Singers provided them as a part of that alliance. Humans and Singers were allies -> humans started to attract lesser spren of emotions -> jealousy and sparks of conflict arose -> Singers did something that True Spren considered a bad deed or even betrayal turning them towards humans -> full war started by one side -> Singers turned towards Odium -> Fused -> Heralds. What if both Leshwi and the Eila Stele talk about the same event? What if Leshwi "They’ve forgiven us" is about "For their betrayal extended even to our gods: to spren, stone, and wind." form the Eila Stele and "the betrayal of spren" from the Songs of Secrets? The difference is Leshwi blames herself for what had happened while the rest of Singers blamed humanity and spren. This might even mean that Singers striked first, not humans. And it would make Honor switching sides easy to explained, as Singers did something that forced him to abandon them.

Azure has been only recently on Roshar, not 5/6 years before OB, not to mention she would have to be there earlier to make her reputation known. Azure's blade doesn't burn out eyes, it drains color from bodies which would be very noticeable and hard to hide. And Azure is on Roshar to find Nightblood and Vasher, not to be an assassin - Azure isn't that kind of person who would be an assassin. So no, Liss isn't Azure. Liss is likely Herald Vedel, who was a patron of healers and love. It would be fitting for her madness to make her kill as an assassin. And this WoB with Brandon's reaction to this question seems suspicious to me - just hear his laugh!

Yes, he has more health to store, he can store more. A drab has less health to store, he can store less. They're immune to illness so it's hard to say what would happen if they start storing health. Would their immunity go away? Or would they be able to store without any illnesses but it would make their body's ability to heal wounds still slower. Their immunity comes from Breaths, and while storing health you don't touch those Breaths at all, so it should still be there even when storing massive amounts of Health. Pewter doesn't give you that much health. It lets you survive normally lethal wounds, but both Vin and Elend, after sustaining their wounds, were unconscious for weeks, and spent months to heal their wounds after that. Pewter doesn't give that much health to store. You can't exploit it to that degree. Live longer? How? F-gold doesn't affect age related illnesses. Yes. It would be more or less converting Honor's investiture into Preservation/Ruin's one. You would just put Stormlight into a perfect vessel so it won't escape from spheres, gems or your body. Useful if you don't have perfect gems, but not in short timeframes. Everything that provides healing.

Everything in Cosmere has a soul. Even metal. It was never alive, that's why it's so hard to Awaken it, but metal still has a mind and a soul. Every object in Cosmere has a soul and mind. Not as invested as the human soul. Shards exist mainly in the Spiritual Realm, which is spaceless. A mind of a Shard is limited to what that Vessel used to be before Ascension - and Rayse was just a human. His mind got expanded, yes, but that's still a human mind, limited, not infinite like Shard's power is. Nightblood can't compete with a Shard, he did compete only with Odium's Vessel which is only a small fraction of the Shard. Very, very small fraction. I don't know if I’m following this. If Nightblood is "a gap" that can't be filled, how is it possible for him to be oversaturated, filled to the brim with investiture and even go into a food coma because he has no more space for more investiture? How can a vacuum in a limited physical space, contain more investiture than every living being we've ever seen? Nightblood also contains not regular investiture, but a corrupted one, which isn't a negative of investiture, like Anti-Investiture is. Anti-Investiture might create a "vacuum" as you said, but it would have an explosive reaction in contact with any investiture, and it wouldn't make Nightblood consume more investiture, this interaction would actually drain Nightblood out of Anti-Investiture, that's why we know he can't contain Anti-Investiture. And then there is Vivenna's sword, which is also a type 4 entity, made in a similar way as Nightblood, likely with 1000 Breaths too. Why doesn't she consume investiture like Nightblood based on your theory, if all that is needed is sticking a bunch of souls into a piece of metal? I think Nightblood is fairly well explained. At least not his creation, but rather why he consumes Investiture. Nightblood is like Returned. And Returned need Investiture every week to feed their Divine Breath. Nightblood does the same. He needs investiture to feed his Command just like Returned does, and he searches for any available form of Investiture, including matter. But because of the way he was created (with some Ruin involvement), he just feeds on everything he can take at once, with no restraint. That made him the most invested object in Cosmere, one of the most invested individuals as well. That's how magic on Nalthis works, it searches for any available investiture to feed on. That's why Returned can feed their Divine Breath with Stormlight. Just like Surgebinding feeds on Stormlight only, Allomancy on Preservation's power or god metals, Awakening has no limits and takes everything it can reach, if done badly. At this point Nightblood acts more or less like god metals and Shardblades - they all are like little black holes, piercing 3 realms, existing in all of them at the same time equally. That's why he was able to kill Rayse, as he pierced through spacetime itself. WoBs on which I've based this:

I don't think there is anything preventing Honor from making new oaths with people that already had broken their previous one. We don't even know about the nature of those promises about "not leaving Shinovar", nor do we know if they were technically oaths (I don't remember), or with whom they were made. Stormfather made a bond with Dalinar, and took their marriage oaths despite them breaking their oaths in the past, which he pointed out to them. Stormfather was accepting new Radiant's oaths despite believing that they will break their Oaths just like ancient Radiants did. Cryptics were willing to send as many spren as it would take to bond with Shallan (for some reason), even if Shallan were to constantly break her Oaths. Testament's death didn't prevent them from sending Pattern next. Honor was focusing on keeping oaths and their meaning (at that time at least). I don't think he would be unable or unwilling to make new oaths with Heralds because of that. If they were spoken truthfully, he would accept them. This is not against his Intent. If he were to break his own word, or spoke an oath with ill intention, that would be against Honor's Intent. Cultivation has even fewer reasons not to side with humans, as her intent has nothing to do with it. I say her siding with humans would Cultivate them. Singer betrayal of spren was hinted? Do you remember where? Yes, it's likely that the initial conflict started with some simple misunderstanding. Simply humans crossing the mountains to explore with no intention of settling might trigger something. Or some typical miscommunication. Singers might do something that humans interpreted as an act of violence or hostility and attacked, as they thought in self-defense or preemptively. If humans view their actions as justified, view Singers as the one that had broken their words, that might even give Honor enough room to side with them without arguing if his intent would prevent this. Betrayal of spren for sure was a huge part of it. Yes, we barely know anything. True Spren like Inkspren and Highspren likely know something more about it. But other than them, Heralds, Fused and Cultivation/Odium, there is not many that know what happened there. I think the map was made before the Recreance and even before the Aharietiam. Urithiru would be considered an important part of the Silver Kingdoms, often mentioned alongside them in sources readed by Jasnah/Shallan. Natanatan was part of that map, at the time of Aharietiam Stormseat was already destroyed. Aimia was destroyed soon after the Recreance too. I've just stumbled upon Coppermind on this: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Proving_Day It made me think if Heralds weren't volunteers, but rather they were tested and chosen if they completed certain tasks? We know only that Jezrien was a king, Taln wasn't meant to be a Herald at first and as Ash said, was a king who never wore a crown, Nale was the enemy of Jez, Ishar was Bondsmith on Ashyn. That's it. We don't know who they were before, if they knew each other and if most of them were on the same side (Nalan or Jez likely weren't). If some tests were involved, then Jezrien would have nothing to say about Ash passing them, nor would he be able to forbid her joining if that was outside of his power. Then Taln would be the one who had never competed in this yet still was chosen as Herald (maybe by Ash’s suggestion?). I think so too. But with whom? Fused went into a deep sleep, Voidspren like Ulim respect Heralds and fear them. Who would be left there to fight with Heralds? Lesser Voidspren? Unmades? Not all of them were trapped on Braize in between Desolations. Odium himself? He doesn't have a form, he could torture their mind alone without any need of spren/Fused. But if it was Odium who tortured them, how was it possible that they could hide from him on his planet?

Kel striked with the intent to kill, he wanted to make a deadly wound so Vin would use the power of the Well to heal him. Splinters, like spren, don't have to have their intent align with the intent of the Shard they're made of. Cognitive Shadows are a bit similar, they're made out of investiture, but they're a copy of their original soul, or their soul was invested. They weren't just pure investiture that came to live. That's why CS would be able to also have an intent independent from Shard's investiture, even more than what Splinters are capable of. Because they were human, their intent is derived from what's in their soul, what they were like when they were alive. Kel is more and more focused on Survival, he always was, now he has big plans, and looks at the sky seeing potential danger in every light. He's slowly taken over by his intent to survive (not only himself but make all of Scadrial survive. Yes, survive is quite similar to Preservation's intent, but let's look at SA: Warbreaker: So I think that CS aren't limited to the intent of a Shard because they used to be a person. It's harder for that investiture to overcome the mind. But that investiture will find its new intent, based on what that person used to be when he was alive. I'm ashamed to admit that I wasn't paying enough attention to this topic since my last big reply. But what on Ruin has happened here? I'm scared by you Devotion you poor, zincless Worldhopper.

Most Shards don't have directly opposing Shard like Ruin and Preservation. There are some pairs that can be done, like Devotion+Dominion, Devotion+Odium, Honor+Odium, or even Preservation+Cultivation but which one is the true pair for those fitting multiple others, and what about less obvious Shards? It will be hard to find pairings when some do not have them. What do you try to do with those pairs?

Agreed. Hopefully KoWT will give us more. Ishar and Oathpact will be focused heavily in that book so there is a hope. Yes, there are metal and mineral deposits on Roshar, it can be mined. Mines are placed on the side of mountains where cream isn't deposited, which leaves a big portion of Shinovar mountain ranges open for mining. I don't think much of Rosharan metal is Soulcasted, it's common enough to make scrap Soulcasted pieces cheap (mainly because that's how new Solcasters train) but there are still relatively few Soulcasters in the world. Azir is famous for having a bronze Soulcaster, which means it's likely one of the kind. Some smaller countries had only one Soulcaster in total, like Kaza was a smoke Soulcaster of Liafor. In Alethkar most Soulcasters would be present on the Shattered Plains and later in Urithiru and front lines, aiding in war effort, which means most of core provinces of Alethkar must have their resources produced in regular way. I'm not sure how it was done in the past but there are surface mines, bog iron or meteorites etc. You don't really need deep mines to get iron. But it is a good question about terraforming. Right. Maybe that's because at that time Odium wasn't a part of Roshar yet and Dawnsingers turning to him, fueled by his investiuture weren't able to do it? I think that RoW chapter mentioned also that Soulcasting was also practiced. But how it looked like there was no mention of it.

I see Brandon dedicated himself fully to writing Szeth chapters and went bald to get into the character. There is a method to his madness I guess.

We sew that. He slashed Elend with Leras' knife in the Well. It was a deadly wound. And he punched Ati in the face.

Not really. I'm using common sense, just like you, with basic science and some help from google. I'm in no way expert. If being good with guns qualifies someone for one, then I failed from the start as I've never held a gun in my life. They can be handy, but there is no need to develop a bullet made out of Aethers. Just use incendiary design. Or better, use Tress' flare gun. Roseite spores were described as grains of salt. They have to be small enough to be spores, but large for them to be picked up individually by hand. But as it was pointed out, it's not the spore size that matters - few spores can patch a cannon-sized hole, so you don't need much of them. But you do need a proper isolation and mechanism of ignition, which would work when you want it to work. And that's harder to fit inside the bullet with multiple different metal layers, especially the one made out of Aether. It's getting too complicated too fast with too many failure points. Tress, ch 26:

Right, there is. I agree. I realized this later when thinking about it more, did some math and edited the post and proposed a solution. That part about "find me an example" doesn't matter anymore, as I've found it myself. This one?

Yes, it was already said in TLM Ars Arcanum that Marsh "nature" is spreading across Cosmere. The reader understands perfectly well from the preceding context that Charlie ran inside the pewter tankard and is now hurtling down the staircase--and the mental image is hilarious. But then, he writes: But why? We, the readers, are already imagining it. We know what's going on. Why does it need to be hammered in this way, rather than letting the story progress as it already is? It makes it feel like Sanderson doesn't trust his readers to understand his narrative unless he guides us by hand Good thing that he wrote that, otherwise I would have missed it. And taking that time to imagine the cat's reaction was funny.

Not really, the Crusher would lose all of car's momentum and stay behind due to air drag, so in reality relative to the Crusher he would consider the car to be in motion away from him, the person inside the car would see himself stationary, while considering the Crusher to be moving away from him. They would both consider each other in motion, relative to themself. And F-iron breaks the laws of physics, as changing mass doesn't affect ones density ρ=m/v. So we already have a clear example of storing mass acting selectively. So we know F-iron doesn't store "all types" of mass. I've just extended it to frame of reference. In the case of F-iron, mass just doesn't work like in physics.

I don't find this argument compelling. I understand you but in the face of this quote I don't think this is convincing. For me it just makes more sense that they get their blades when making the Oathpact. I believe it's different. They were forbidden the Surges not because of Honor, but because True Spren didn't want to bond with them. And while it was ok before Ashynites arrived, during the First Desolation they were in dire need of them. The Song of Secrets: For me it was a conscious decision of Spren to deny them Surges, deny them Nahel Bond. The reason for that doesn't need to be related to Surges, maybe just True Spren were too "proud" to be bound in a gemheart like normal spren. In this case I'm talking about proper Surgebinding, not the proto-Surges Singers could have access to before. Tbf we don't know anything about Dawnsingers except that they build Dawncities somehow, and they use songs to mold stone into shapes and tools. I think Dawncities were built by singing - maybe amplified by Dawnshards, or maybe with a collective voice of thousands Dawnsingers, or maybe some special kind of spren was involved too. Hard to say. But this doesn't make them invulnerable. The power of a single Dawncity might be useless if they don't know how to utilize them properly. Or if they're already involved in conflict with another nation of Singers. Or maybe, because of their stone shaping ability, Singers were using only stone for their crafting, Humans who came to Roshar would dig for metal in the first place, as metal tools are far better than any stone. In that case humans would just massively outclass them after a few short years. A massive, near death extinction event might unite them under a single cause. Or their kings united, not only Jez was a king, in OB Ash said that Taln was a king who never wore a crown or something like that. And what better unites people than a new common enemy? There might be many reasons. One is why would they build new Dawncities when they're in a desperate war losing people? If that was the case then Honor would stop supplying Heralds with Investiture after they broke for the first time on Braize. I don't think there would be anything preventing Honor from forming new bonds with people who had broken their oaths previously - the same limitation would be forced upon Stormfather yet he accepted Dalinar and Navani's marriage bond despite him pointing out that they had broken their oaths before. I think there had to be a full scale invasion, simply because otherwise Singers would not turn to Odium just like that. They might be tempted, but the Eila Stele clearly warns Singers from humans, the Void, their blood lust and that "where they go they bring silence". Singers were aware of what Odium is, what he brings with him (the Void) and they would have to be desperate to turn towards Odium for help. Them simply losing their spren friends or whatever that betrayal was wouldn't be enough. Their very life had to be on stake. But it is possible that the invasion was not what made them turn to Odium, the Eila Stele said: "For their betrayal extended even to our gods: to spren, stone, and wind." They know what a god is - Shard - they know Honor and Cultivation, as they order them to help Ashynites. This part suggests that Honor and Cultivation align themself with humans, turning away from Dawnsingers, before they turned towards Odium. Dawnsingers going to Odium might be in response to their Shards abandoning them, not the other way around.

It's hard to say. We know that Ashynites brought with them their livestock animals, as Raboniel mentioned her grandmother saw them terribly burned. We also know Honor and Cultivation terraformed the region of Shinovar to resemble Ashyn. It's likely many of those animals, particularly wild ones, were made by Shards to create an Ashyn-like environment for humans to live. Jellyfish, and other marine species might be just native to Roshar. There is nothing particularly different in Rosharan oceans compared to Earth one.