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I was specifically talking about Susebron's Awakening on pages, not off screen - we don't know if he Awakened with voice in prison or when searching for Siri. We do know that he didn't use any audible Commands when we saw him from Siri's perspective. It's not about wording, it's about the cause-effect - Awakened objects had already stopped every rebel, Lifeless and Bluefingers himself from doing any harm to Siri - however Bluefingers was still trying to push his dagger into Siri while being tied by Awakened cloth. and he probably didn't notice the God-King entering the room. The only effect "you will stop" had was on Bluefingers - he froze, looked at Susebron and dropped his dagger. Unless the 10th Heightening allows for Commanding living people, similarly to emotional Allomancy (which is a possibility tbf), those words couldn't be a Command, because everything had already happened before he said them. Because of that I think those had to be simple words aimed at Bluefingers, not an Awakening Command. Yes, that was my point. Awakening that took more Breaths because there wasn't enough color, would still perform the same as Awakening that has enough color and took fewer Breaths. Vivenna clearly felt that the rope required more Breaths to Awakened, and Awakeners can simply feel those things, so I have no doubt that's true. I disagree, but this is my opinion. What makes Awakening better is a good Visualization (which is confirmed, assuming Commands and Intents are the same), while Perfect Invocation allows you to use less color, as you're draining more color per the same area, just like a Radiant with higher oath uses less Stormlight (this is more or less speculation). There is an upper limit on amount of color needed (confirmed by WoB), so draining color into white would allow you to reach that limit faster, and use up less colored area than turning to gray - but there should be no change in execution of object's Command and Visualization, especially if that limit was reached with and without Perfect Invocation. Taking the squirrel Lifeless as an example - a good Awakener like Vasher would be able to make a better Lifeless with better Visualization , than someone inexperienced, but both would use the same Command, 1 Breath and the same amount of color to Awaken it. The squirrel used by Vasher was already gray and it was still extremely effective, so the amount of color used for Awakening likely has no effect on Awakening performing better at fulfilling its Command and Visualization. But Visualization is the most important factor, and red or black coloration of the fur shouldn't change anything. We literally still have no idea what draining color in Awakening actually does, so we can only speculate how Perfect Invocation would affect Awakening.

Where? In that quote? No, I don't see it working that way. Checked out the quote form ch 46 above - if there isn't enough color for Awakening, it will take much more Breaths to Awaken, but the effect will be the same per the Law of Comparability (the amount of Breath required to Awaken something isn’t necessarily indicative of its power once Awakened). You just need a certain amount of color to Awaken, there is an upper limit of how much color is needed: Some colors, like dyes made out of Edgli flowers, are more efficient for Awakening: How well an Awakened object respond to Commands is based on Visualization, there is no proof the amount of color matters: That was not a Command - Bluefingers' hand was already wrapped by a cloth and stopped before Susebron said those words, not to mention all rebels and Lifeless he knocked out. This was simply an order and a threat to Bluefingers, which made him look at Susebron and realize what was happening, not a Command to Awakened objects. Susebron didn't use a single, vocal Command on pages, he always uses mental ones.

F-zinc. Being able to think faster and process information faster is incredibly useful for everyday application. Or you can dull your mind if you want - that's useful too.

Two Shards having opposite intents and nature, doesn't make them opposite in the way as anti-investiture does - anti-investiture is the inversion of any given Shard's investiture. But there are no anti-Shards. Anti-investiture is something different than Shard's nature being in polar opposition to another Shard. Anti-investiture is a property of investiture (not Shards), while Ruin being a polar opposite of Preservation is the result of their different natures. Shards represent different aspects of forces of nature. Preservation's nature is stasis, while Ruin's nature is entropy - destructive change. That's why they are considered opposite because their natures are on two different sides of the same spectrum. Anti-investiture is inversion of their investiture. Inversion of the whole spectrum. There is no true anti-Preservation, but you can take Preservation's investiture and invert it, which would make anti-investiture of Preservation, and just like matter and antimatter reacts explosively in contact with each other, investiture and anti-investiture of Preservation would annihilate together. Yes, Ruin and Preservation are logical opposite, but not mathematical - the destructive interference of waves is what defines anti-investiture the opposite of investiture. Ruin isn't anti-Shard of Preservation, they do not destroy each other on contact, but he represents a different aspect of Cosmere. Instead they repel each other - you saw Mists being repelled by spikes, spikes being repelled by the Well of Ascension etc. Their whole power was thrown at each other, trying to stop each other from doing anything, but that didn't destroy them. What Vin did at the end of HoA was different, it's called Splintering, she killed Ruin's Vessel, but because their powers repelled each other so much, when she threw it at Ruin, it pushed back at her, killing both of them. Keep in mind Ruin and Preservation were able to work together and create Scadrial, where everything is made 50:50 from Ruin and Preservation's investiture which don't destroy them. Sazed were able to combine both Shards together without any destruction. HoA ch 82: Not all Shards have a clearly defined opposite Shard, some do not, some have more than one fitting opposite (like Odium can be considered to have Honor and Devotion as the opposite). Ruin and Preservation are bluntly opposite, but perception did play a role in making them like that. But ALL Shards has a tone, and this tone can be inverted which creates an anti-tone of a Shard - that's investiture and anti-investiture.

I think that would be possible. If they store a lot of Connection and then tap all of it when trying to break into a Hemalurgic construct, then it would work. The question is how much Connection is needed, and what type of Connection - does it need Connection to a Koloss specifically, or just a general Connection to people is enough, does it need to be a blanked Connection? But I think it should work just fine. Even more, I think combining F-duralumin with emotional Allomancy would reduce the amount of Connection needed, to more reasonable amounts, not just stupidly large, a lifetime stored kind of amounts. The need for compounding Connection would be removed, when combined with emotional Allomancy.

No, we don't know at all. There were a lot of theories, like Adawathwyn, the Ferring who picked the Bands first, actually did something to them, switched them, leeched them with A-chromium, or suppressed them, to make them empty. She might have worked with Ghostbloods and switched them when she picked them up (this might be connected with Kel traveling from the Malwish during TLM). Or the ambassador Daal did something, suppressed them with a Primer Cube of aluminum or something. Or maybe there is a Kandra working for Malwish and they stole the Bands earlier, and gave them to Daal - we know literally nothing more than there was in the book. Both Daal and Adawathwyn were behaving very suspiciously, and Daal seemed to expect the Bands to be empty. There are also no WoBs about this.

No, I can't find anything like that in the book, and I'm fairly certain nothing like that was in the book. As pointed out in the prologue, he just didn't care about making it in a human shape, with focus hair etc, because he could afford losing more Breaths. But if he did that, it would still require the same amount of Breaths. It depends. If he has enough color then it won't change anything. But if the object is small or not that colorful already (close to gray or white), then he can get more color from it than normal Awakener and potentially use fewer Breaths. If you have no color at all, you can't Awaken, Breaths can't replace color, if you have too little color, it would require more Breaths to Awaken. Warbreaker ch 46:

No, that's not true. The closer the object resembles a living thing, the easier it is to Awaken. Number of your Breaths doesn't decrease the amount of Breaths needed to Awaken stuff. Warbreaker prologue: The more Breaths you have the easier it is to come up with proper commands and understand more complicated ones. Warbreaker ch 49:

We probably won't know what will happen there for a long time, until Jasnah's book will be released. From Coppermind: Bigger quote from WoR prologue: This seems to indicate that it wasn’t the first time she saw this type of shadow, and her feelings were because logic failed to find a reasonable explanation for what was happening to her. Her childhood illness might be related, but more as a reminder of what she experienced back then - dark room, screaming and unreliable mind - not this being the symptoms of this illness. OB ch 47: It's hard to say anything, but I personally believe there was no illness at all, just Gavilar doing terrible things to her for some selfish reason. Maybe she bonded with Ivory so early and started to act weirdly, or maybe she declared herself an atheist and Gavilar tried to root it out of her with those cruel methods. Or maybe this was some cruel experiment trying to find out if he can make somebody into a Radiant if that person is close enough to death or suffers a lot (like Teft's parents, members of Envisagers, who were a splinter group of the Sons of Honor). She couldn’t understand why her father, a person she loved and a person who should love her, did such terrible things to her and her reasoning and logic failed her this one time.

This is definitely one of his current objectives, but as already said, Kelsier's body is a mistwraith wearing his bones, not his own body. He managed to get this body around 10 years after Catacendre, because he appeared among Malwish in his spiked body (BoM epilogue) - that's too early for Ghostbloods to gather any intel, and too early for them to speak to Heralds or know about their nature. The problem is, which he is aware of, that he lacks connection to PR, and that's what he needs to get back, to connect himself back to his original set of bones (or other body) - for this BAM, who can manipulate connection, would be very useful.

Morality is a subjective thing. Two Windrunners can disagree on the answer to the same moral dilemma - there isn't really a good answer for what's right or wrong in this case. The important thing was to make them doubt they're on the right side, and if they truly held the moral high ground. At that point they already knew from reports from Alethkar that Singers didn't kill people, they conquered them and simply ruled over them. They weren't the Voidbringers they thought they were, nor Fused were. You're glad Taravangian holds the infinite power of the Shard of hatred now? This just makes him more terrifying.

You can't heal an old wound, or a wound that you perceive as a part of you. Rysn couldn't heal her legs, Kal couldn't heal his scars. Even a Divine Breath can't heal such wounds. If you lost your hand and through the years you started to perceive yourself as a person without a hand, a prosthetic hand is your only option if you can't do mental gymnastics or you don’t want a Bondsmith or Elantrian to mess with your spirit. Awakened prosthetic limbs would work pretty well, just connect ends of your existing muscles, or nerves, to straps and make sure to have a proper command and visualizations, and by trying to move your thumb, the Awakened limb would pick up the movement of muscles, or signals from nerves, and move accordingly. Vasher did complicated Awakening of rope, which responded differently based on his finger tappings. You can also make an Awakened limb like Fort's tablet from Tress, some kind of Awakened predictive Connection thing, working only for you and predicting your future needs and moving accordingly. Warbreaker ch 49: Allomancy isn't really helpful unless you learn how to push/pull from a different place than the center of your body. Even then it would be really hard to make a working prosthetic base only on linear pushes or pulls. AonDor can obviously replicate everything, that's too easy, Awakening is more fun.

Everything in Cosmere exists and has representation in all 3 Realms - the body in the Physical Realm, the mind in the Cognitive Realm (Shadesmar), and the spirit web in the Spiritual Realm. On Roshar many call this mind a spren, even if it's not a real Spren, living entity, like Pattern or Syl. Everything, even a stick exists in all 3 Realms and "thinks" a little bit. This thinking for objects is shaped by how people perceive them - an object doesn't really think for itself, it merely reflects thoughts of people about it. Therefore a stick will think he is a stick, which is self explanatory, while a ship will think about serving his sailors, because people think more about a ship than a stick. They are not alive however, and never were, they aren't a spren, beads are just representations of their minds. Pattern was simply translating thoughts of the objects to Shallan, he wasn't making it alive. WoR ch 7:

WoB doesn't contradict anything, it confirms what Raoden said in the quote. There are differences between old Elantrians and new Reod Elantrians, they were pointed out by @Treamayne earlier:

Because nobody trusted Alethi at all, and every member of the Coalition got different news, which used their fears against them. Also Fused weren't attacking them yet - only Alethkar fell to their invasion, rest of Roshar suffered relatively mildly or not at all - they suffered more from the Everstorm and Parshmen leaving than from Fused attacks. Fen was worried that this was some fancy Alethi move that will result in Alethkar conquering Thaylenah and she got news about the highking proposal. Elia Stelle didn't matter to her. She still had to accept working with Dalinar and risk losing her crown just to save her country from the incoming Odium's attack. OB ch 111: OB ch 113: Azish still remember Sadees Sunmaker, who conquered Azir and slaughtered 10% of their population just because he wanted, and they expected the same from Dalinar, the Blackthorn, who is known for his brutality and conquests, not for his diplomacy and peacefulness. More importantly they also distrust Radiants, who were considered traitors wielding dangerous powers - that is why they got news about Dalinar hiding 2 visions from them, where he met Odium, making them think he and the Radiants are working for Odium or are at least manipulated by him. OB ch 111: OB ch 113: OB ch 116: Taravangian was just playing his role with the news of Elia Stele - this was predicted by the Diagram, he was using the truth that cause ancient Radiants to abandoned their Oaths, to make those new Radiants doubt if they are on the right side, making them abandon Dalinar or even break their Oaths. WoR ch 84: For Radiants, especially Windrunners, being on the right side of the conflict is a big deal. Now they know that Singers simply want to regain their home - the Bridge 4 are former slaves, criminals and prisoners, they can empathize with them, and they were worried that they are on the wrong side once more. OB ch 111: OB ch 113: Every one of them got different news, striking precisely in their fears, making them abandon Dalinar in either disstrust or disbelief. It wasn't just this one news about the highking issue or just the Elia Stele. OB ch 113:

Yes, that's true. But It doesn't exclude the possibility that you could become a Returned "artificially". A Divine Breath is nothing more than a fossil of the soul, its copy, replaced by investiture keyed to Endowment. Breaths are investiture - holding enough Breaths in the moment of your death will simply imprint your soul on them, combining them and creating an "artificial" Divine Breath - regular Breaths and Divine Breaths are both keyed to Endowment, therefore the CS created this way will be keyed to Endowment as well, and have all characteristics of a person holding lots of Breaths, because they wouldn't be gone - they would be stuck in the body as the soul instead. Of course this is a bit speculative. This is a Warbreaker forum only, please do not include spoilers from other books in your post without a proper warning and a spoiler box. Cosmere spoilers:

No, in the case of new Reod Elantrians they are stuck mid-transformation. The process was started but without sufficient amounts of Dor, which they can't pull in with incomplete Elantris Aon, it couldn't be finished. Elantris ch 49:

That's true. For now it's a mystery. I think there are three major possibilities. One is that one of them actually reached the point when they could fulfill their purpose of Return and regained their memories, but decided not to do that. The other is that they didn't Return because of natural intervention of Endowment, they tried to create Returned on their own and succeeded, and this allowed them to either keep their memories (as Endowment wasn't involved), or simply tell each other their past. This is actually possible, you can become a Cognitive Shadow by simply dying while holding enough Breaths. Eventually they got really good at reading their dreams (which are both about their future and past) and came to the conclusion that they were siblings before Returning. But for the actual answer we have to wait until Nightblood gets released, which won't happen soon.

Here it is, last column, middle raw, not exactly the same but it looks like the Shattered Plains (a quick google search): Truthfully every cymatics pattern is closer to the Shattered Plains because they are symmetrical (which nature can't reproduce on that scale), just like the Plains. Dry dirt isn't because it's dirt. Your photo is in no way similar to the Shattered Plains - no symmetry, scale is incomparably different, and it's a dirt, cracks are made because wet clay when dried shrinks, forming cracks. The Shattered Plains are made entirely out of solid rock, not dry dirt. Rocks can't crack like dirt just like that naturally, Erosion doesn't work on Roshar the same way as it works on Earth - Highstorm bring rain and winds, which cause erosion, but also the crem, which accumulate over years more than what erosion can degrade - it’s another reason why the Shattered Plains couldn't form naturally from erosion because the accumulation of crem would prevent it, and seal cracks. Not to mention erosion would need millions of years to make cracks that big, the Plains has existed for around 4000 years, Roshar didn't exist millions of years ago, most likely just around 12000 years (created by Adonalsium pre-Shattering).

Fair, it's fun to discuss it more. Transformation yes but it would be complicated, Division no - soil is much more than just dusted rocks. And again, the very first Highstorm would blow it all away. It's impossible for the soil to stick long enough to create an environment like that you're talking about. The only place that comes to my mind is the city of Yeddaw, which was cut by Shardblades, not formed naturally. The Shattered Plains seems to be unique and of greater significance - humans blamed Voidbringers for its destruction, but Listener's songs claims it wasn't them. Some theories also predicts that Plains are related to Honor's death. Perhaps. The Shattered Plains are symmetrical. There is a pattern: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shattered_Plains/Gallery#/media/File:Shattered_Plains_WoR_map.jpeg WoK ch 46: WoR ch 71: Natural phenomena making a symmetrical pattern? No way.

I highly doubt so. Highstorms are a repeating, normal phenomena, happening even before the Shattering of Adonalsium - why only the Shattered Plains got flooded and cracked in that way, and nothing else on Roshar where there are multitudes of places susceptible to floods? Why is it not growing when every Highstorm is causing flooding of the entire plains? Why is it so symmetrical? No soil could be brought into the Shattered Plains, that's too far east - the first Highstorm would blow it all away. I personally believe that the Shattered Plains were shattered by playing and amplifying the anti-tone of the city of Stormseat, and the symmetrical pattern of the Shattered Plains is the representation of that wave - like in cymatics it's a pattern which is created after playing an anti-tone of Stormseat. The stone that used to be in those cracks was likely turned into sand and was blown away by the first Highstorm.

Then my opinion is that it's none of their business.

There was no retcon about nicrosil and none is needed. Normal nicrosilmind can't be tapped by someone who isn't a nicrosil Ferring, even if unkeyed. But Malwish medallions are made differently. They are unsealed metalminds, made by some machine which involves F-duralumin (per WoB). We don't know how they are made but this somehow grant them self-awareness and identity of their own. Yes, in a way this is Awakening, but in a broader sense (Awakening is possible with all forms of investiture, not just Breaths). Basically (my opinion) what medallions are doing is they form a bond with you and grant you Feruchemical abilities stored inside the nicrosil portion through that bond - they are more comparable to Honorblades, which also are self-aware, form a bond with you and give you powers. If you know how to create a Malwish medallion you can make one that would give you powers outside of Scadrial, like Sand Mastery or Surgebinding - you need to have such powers in the first place to be able to store them in the nicrosil portion, and that is the biggest problem. Another problem is that creating a medallion giving you more than 3 powers isn't possible right now, and using 2 medallions at once is also impossible - while you technically could make a medallion giving you all powers (the Bands were like that) they don't know how.

No, seriously, I'm confused. Is this about creating new spikes or reusing old ones? The former isn't happening so I cannot vote, but the latter is.

What are you talking about? Koloss are reusing old spikes, there is no creation of new spikes happening right now, and Harmony is fine with them reusing them - there is no problem of Koloss making new spikes right now, nor forcibly changing people into new Koloss, so there is no point for this poll. Regular people aren't accepted into Koloss ranks unless they prove themself, Kolossblooded have to decide on their own to stay and become Koloss, they aren't forced to do that. If you're asking what to do about old, reused Koloss spikes, then the answer is leave them alone, as this is their "property", given to them by the god himself, and if people agree to this treatment, then there is no problem. As far as I know, Hemalurgy isn't outlawed, and Koloss live outside of the Basin, not under Elendel's jurisdiction.