Andy92

That’s cool. I usually only have the movies to go off of cause I’m not really a comic reader. A lot of online discussion with these shows usually ends up with “well this is what happens in a similar comic” and then introduces people I’ve never heard of lol. I’ve really been enjoying this show. It was the Disney+ one I was looking forward to the most after the announcements and so far it’s lived up to the hype.

My theory on the TVA (has some Episode 3 spoilers):

I also voted for El. Seemed like a pretty purposeful introduction of him in Rhythm of War setting this up.

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Maybe a reverse lashing works by inverting the waveform for lashings…

My biggest hesitation on Trell being Odium is that we’re supposedly learning Trell’s identity in The Lost Metal which comes out before Stormlight 5. Seems like a spoiler to learn Odium has already made it off world. Unless if it’s possible to do it through another agent (Fused army?) rather than Odium himself needing to be on Scadrial.

I’m also pretty sure that’s exactly why the first Wax and Wayne book is called The Alloy of Law.

You’re gonna want to put all this in spoiler tags. There’s a different thread for RoW that involves other Cosmere works. To answer your question:

Those are the terms. Doesn’t specifically mention a fight I suppose…but it’d be quite the triathlon if they had to participate until the death lol

Imo it should be Kaladin vs. Moash. That would bring their arc since the fracture that occurred in WoR to a final close in a monumental way.

Wit is Kvothe. Mind blown.

It definitely seems to be one of those common roots within the language like Ado. I think it’s possible Vyre is the common tongue name for the title and there’s another symmetrical word similar to Elithanathile that means He Who Quiets.

I don’t expect this to change too much from RoW in the next book, but I could see the interludes being more like the first two books again once the second arc begins.

It’s gonna be about the same gap in time that Star Wars had between the Clone Wars and the climax of the Rebellion. Makes sense to have a few Obi-Wan and Yoda type characters still being around, just less active than they used to be.

That was one of my thoughts, that it was their name for Honor before the humans arrived with Odium and they eventually switched. The name might have stuck in lore for the humans over the years.

That does make a lot of sense considering the titles start that way. He Who Transforms, He Who Quiets, now he’s just “He.” I do think it’s a bit interesting that the Fused have titles so similar to that of the ardent’s title for Honor.

I know the similarities between El and the name of the Almighty that only ardents can say, Elithanathile, have been brought up before. But I’ve been wondering if the character El is named as more of a nickname. Elithanathile means He Who Transforms. El had his title stripped and given to Moash, which was He Who Quiets. Maybe El is short for another title that’s similar in name to Elithanathile but not the same? The comparison also makes me wonder what’s up with Elithanathile and the He Who Transforms title. The ardents associate this with the Almighty, but it’s just too similar to how El is named and has a similar title beginning with “He Who…” Did one of the two, humans or singers, co-opt the other one’s title system? Or is this because the name Elithanathile was the singer’s original title for Tanavast before humans arrived to Roshar with Odium?

I don’t know if that deal is even still valid. Seems to me like murdering the person you made the deal with invalidates it lol, but Shards being bound to oaths is kind of a unique Cosmere thing so who knows.

True. I was just going off of some of the discussion above. Think the reason for the Recreance was largely laid out in Oathbringer. Sure we don’t know the whole story but we seem to know a big part of it.

Wasn’t the big thing that caused them all to walk away finding out humans were the foreign invaders? I’m assuming this is what they learned after BAM had been captured. This made what they did less of a necessary evil to defeat an invading army and more of a genocide of an indigenous people group.

At the end of TWoK in the last vision to Dalinar. It’s when he realizes the visions are recordings and not actual live events. It’s actually the last line of the book before the epilogue. This depends on how much you trust the accuracy of the visions being from Honor himself, but that’s the in-world reasoning.

I was in the process of fixing it and was too late getting my edit in...sorry about that one.

I get where you’re coming from but I do think there’s plenty of time to set El up more in the next book. I’d rather see Dalinar go against a new villain than against someone who has been close to him throughout the series and is now turning against him (like Navani or one of his kids). If it’s a character that we’ve known about since book one, I’d be down for Gavilar, Nale, or Ishar. I’d rather not have another fantasy series with... Game of Thrones spoilers:

I think it should be someone who Odium thinks can actually win a duel against Dalinar. For one, if Shallan was on the path to become a villain, she would have murdered Kalak and took his place at the trial to throw it in Adolin’s favor. Second, Shallan can’t beat the Blackthorn in a duel. Illusions would only get her so far, she’s not well trained in Soulcasting, and she isn’t a duelist. The one I can get behind in regards to someone being close to Dalinar is Gavilar. If his cognitive shadow survived and Odium promised him a way back into the physical realm, I could feasibly see him using one of the Parshendi bodies to fight like the Fused do.

The crossover of characters who could actually win the duel, would side with Odium, and are emotionally tied to Dalinar is pretty small. Heralds could win the duel, but they aren’t emotionally invested with Dalinar. A lot of the characters emotionally close to Dalinar don’t fit the bill of willingly siding with Odium. The Gavilar cognitive shadow thing potentially works if that’s the route Brandon wanted to go with him. I just feel like El’s setup in RoW points towards him being the champion.