Kingsdaughter613

She. I'm a girl... I actually think Kell's long life is due to his soul knowing he died at 38. Dead people don't age. So his soul 'knows' he can't possibly be aging and therefore he doesn't age. Sort of the reverse of TLR...

I meant more that for abilities a spike can steal one of four things, but only one kind of attribute can be stolen? It feels like something doesn't add up. The metal groups aren't just Khriss theorizing; all the physical allomantic metals are stolen by one type of metal. Ditto for the feruchmical physical quadrant. So there is clearly a reason certain metals are grouped together. Whether or not the quadrant names are accurate is another matter, but the groupings seem to involve an underlying function of the metallic arts. Just learned that Brass and Electrum's feruchemical abilities were switched by mistake. That explains something I've been wondering about... I need to check the coppermind more often. Still confused though; Shouldn't nicrosil steal enhancement powers and electrum hybrid ones? Why would Duralumin and Aluminum steal powers? None of the others work that way... The others seem to work: base steals attribute and Alloy steals powers. Could someone lead me to the words of Brandon explaining this?

Once we are going down that route, why a Kandra? Wouldn't a Mistwraith be preferable?

There were others. Harmony probably didn't bother listing them as it would be meaningless to most Scadrians. They hade no connection to anyone so why should they care?

Thats why I said the physical quadrant. It includes both a and f steel. We've seen hemalurgic creations that did not use human attributes: the inquisitors. Until we know otherwise my theory is physical quadrant attributes. Possibly Iron too. (It seems odd that Iron steals only one thing. Actually, all the human attributes seem odd. I keep thinking it should be human physical attributes, human mental attributes, etc. to fit closer to the allomantic/feruchemical groups...)

I actually think only Lerasium can steal the connection to Preservation. We don't know enough though. We are not told what material the spikes used by the set. They aren't said to be unusual, so we don't know... Right now we know that Trellium steals steel. That's something at least. It may only steal physical abilities then. It could be limited to just steal or can steal both a and f abilities, but not human attributes. Something to ask Brandon then: is Trellium limited to the physical abilities? (What I think is most likely?)

The lord ruler's metal minds were not spikes; I believe the older WoB was clarified in a more recent one. I think we are using the same word differently; I call splicing a rewriting, especially when the result is no longer human. Without knowing what Trellium is we don't necessarily know what it does. Can someone look up SOS and find out which abilities we've seen it steal. All I recall offhand is F steel.

Hemalurgy is all about rewriting the spirit web. Atium can steal any aspect from the spirit web and splice it onto someone else. So there is clearly a connection... and using Hemalurgy does impart a stronger connection to Ruin; we've seen that. It would make sense to me that a blank Atium spike should do this to an even greater extent as the effect would be caused directly by Ruin's investiture (as opposed to merely being the passive power source for the spirit web splice.) Provided we are correct that such a spike would have an effect that is.

Electrum plus f chromium? I think that could have some potential depending on how f chromium actually works.

Not really. Only fullborn. I have wondered about it though. My favorites are a feruchemist coinshot, and a mistborn trueself.

Something mental or temporal I would suspect, as Lerasium falls under physical/enhancement... Lerasium's side effect fits that, anyway. Alternatively, just as Lerasium imparts a stronger connection to Preservation, an Atium spike could impart a stronger connection to Ruin (more so than the basic connection granted by a spike) though what that would do remains a question. I like the 'instinctive knowledge of hemalurgic bind points' though, especially since it fits the mental aspect of Atium. Being able to use harmonium to fuel feruchemy is part of the theory I mentioned. I don't remember which thread I posted the whole thing down in though... it's been a while since I thought about it.

Ten Soon should have them; he had them last...

I've never read the mag... I just know I saw someone quoting that information once. There's also the need to burn two Lerasium alloys at once; implying burning one at a time does not make a double misting. sorry if my earlier post sounded short, btw. I was holding my baby and couldn't type very well.

Cap is Marvel, not DC.

No, it was a different one. The overwrite could only apply to allomantic abilities.

That makes me wonder, would a chromium misting be able to burn away the excess copper in someone with Wilson's disease? And why doesn't chromium/aluminum/duralumin/nicrosil effect all the metals in the body (besides the fact that it would be fatal) and would it be possible for someone to do so...

I have long had a theory that if you tapped harmonium - without having stored anything in it - you would become a feruchemist. I also think that an Atium spike should do something without it ever having stolen an attribute. As a physical form of a Shard all three should have innate investiture...

They're two separate things. I'll try to find the WoB I'm remembering.

I believe I read that burning a Lerasium Alloy will overwrite your previous status, i.e. You were an iron misting, burned Lerasium-steel Alloy, now you are a coinshot but no longer a lurched. If you burn two alloys together you can become a double misting.

Actually, the hero of ages was not the one called to the well, but the one who would take up both Shards and fix the world. That's why the ambiguous gender (Saze being a eunuch.) There are actually quite a few hints... Vin isn't the Hero of Ages; Sazed is. She is the Heroine of Mistborn though.

Well, BoM has a nice love story... It should be pointed out that Paalm was supposed to guard Wax, not marry him. That was her own choice. And Saze didn't cause Lessie's death, and had Paalm wished to tell Wax the truth I doubt Saze would have stopped her. So, Saze may have manipulated Wax, but Paalm lied to him first when she chose not to reveal her status as a Kandra. Had she done so neither would have had to suffer.

Thanks. I'm glad you liked it; it ended up considerably longer than I initially intended...

I believe the inquisitors had tracked Vin to his people, possibly even his 'niece.'

Steris, I've found, is one of the best written characters on the autistic spectrum I've seen. I have a NLD, which can manifest a lot like aspergers. Steris' feelings of being out of place and not quite getting it don't just feel real; they are real. I've found her to be one of Brandon's more complex characters. As some one who likes a good western from time to time, I agree that Wax comes across as a stock character initially. But the longer we spend with him, and the more he is forced to deal with the dichotomy of his duty as Lord Ladrian as opposed to that of the lawman, the more complex he becomes. It's actually rather similar to Vin's struggle, just from the perspective of a middle aged adult rather than that of a hormonal teen. I honestly find Wax's reactions the more relatable of the two. Though this might come down to my inability to understand why Vin's love triangle took an entire novel to settle. I liked that Wax could acknowledge the tension while also doing the adult, responsible thing and shutting it down. He's also more honest about his feelings than she is: Wax realizes that it's Marasi's similarities to Lessie he finds attractive; Vin never really acknowledges that it's her unconscious attraction to Kell that fuels her attraction to Zane. (Though since she never admits the former, making it harder to do the latter...) I pretty much spent book two wishing she'd grow up already... I love Vin, and I certainly understood her better the second time around, but I have never been able to relate to her struggles in book two. My identity is one of my constants. I've always known who I am. That's probably why I connected more with Kell, Marsh, Spook, Elend and Saze. They all know who they are. It took until book 3 for me to start truly connecting to Vin. It's when she finally knows who she is that I got to meet her in her entirety as opposed to disparate parts. In many ways the Mistborn series is about identity and challenging it. Spook questions his place among the crew; not who he is but his identity with the group; similarly Marasi has to find a place for her identity within her society. Saze questions his identity when he loses his faith because the two are so intertwined for him. It's when he realizes he's still a scholar despite his confusion that, I feel, he begins to heal. He knows who he is; he just feels he can't honestly be that person anymore. Elend has to change his identity, from scholar to king, without sacrificing what he was in its entirety. That's why it was so important for him to become a king within, while stepping down without. Marsh actually has his identity violated and we get to watch as he tries to preserve it. We don't get to see him recover it though, though we can hope for another SH type story to give us an idea someday. Kelsier, who has one of the strongest identities, appears (at least to me) to be being set up for the most external challenges to it. Some in FE; more in SH which I don't really want to discuss here. I'm very curious to see how his journey progresses through Eras 3&4 and how he will be forced by others to reevaluate himself. Wax is also forced to reconcile the two parts of his life, but it really isn't about his identity. It's about realizing that identity in two different roles. Like a lot of people he's confused his job with who he is, not recognizing that it's who he is that determined the job. Perhaps my favorite thing about Wax is that he is not a lawman; he's a detective. It's not justice, but the mystery or puzzle that drives him first. Wayne is fascinating as someone who's identity is formed on a tragedy. Take away the man he killed and he's someone entirely different. He WAS someone entirely different until that happened. That's why his gun phobia is such an integral part of him; its deeply bound up in the event that formed his current identity. It takes another (potentially) identity changing trauma to get him past it. (Potential only because spoiler gets a magical AED.) Steris, as I mentioned above, is one of the most realistic autism spectrum characters I've come across. Although I've dealt with my NLD very differently than she manages her aspergers, her feelings are something I know intimately. What I love is that she accepts her difficulties and works with them. And I also love that Wax loves her FOR all her oddities, not despite them. And how she is coming to embrace them through seeing how he loves her in her entirety. Steris has always known who she is, but has hidden her true self to avoid being hurt. We get to see her blossom as she becomes ever more accepting of her identity. Marasi, as I noted above, is still struggling to find her place. MeLaan is all about identity. As opposed to humans, her body does not play a role in defining her. She remains herself no matter which form she takes, whether it's a willowy true body, a buxom woman, a muscular male, or even a horse, she is always herself. Which is awesome. We don't know enough about Alik yet, but his culture does wear masks with all the symbolism it represents. He gives his mask away to Marasi at the end; to me it reads as symbolically revealing his inner self to her. Rather notably, he doesn't seem to bothered about revealing his face anyway... It's also worth noticing that a people who wear masks appear in a book about identity and connection, two things which are deeply intertwined. Vin is the only one actively trying to piece together her identity, which makes sense considering her origins. She's let people and situations define her, and slowly finds the person she is amidst it all. It just wasn't something I found that relatable. I loved her most when she was most herself - when she sparred with Kell and in HoA. I think they are all very real, in different ways. People don't come in one size or flavor. Wax and Wayne never read as stock characters for me; they just seemed like people who keep their inner selves buried deep, so we don't see the truth as often. They're also not teenagers; adults typically do not experience the personality changes teens undergo except in extreme circumstances. So their is less development in terms of character change - these are middle aged adults - but they read as fully fleshed out individuals to me. (One of the reasons I think Kelsier reads as younger than he actually is, at least to me, is that he has recently undergone a major personality shift and it shows.) I tend to try not to compare the two series because they are so different. I love them both, but I'm more likely to reread W&W. On the other hand, I've no intention of buying leather bound versions of W&W, as opposed to the OT, which I do. W&W is a more enjoyable ride but Mistborn OT is a far more epic one. Probably why my favorite is SH which has the scope of the OT, the sheer fun of W&W, and -best of all - is short enough that I can find time to read it properly! (Infant and toddler take up most of my reading time... I have 0 hopes of reading Oathbringer in peace - I'll have a four year old AND a one year old by then... Worth it though!) (For those who are wondering NLD is a non-verbal learning disability. It can present similarly to aspergers. Mine does, to the point that it was misdiagnosed at one point.)

Does this belong in the Secret History board? Maybe it should be moved to the regular Mistborn forum? With regard to the topic: there is a theory that feruchemy is more akin to Mistborn in that it was not a naturally occurring phenomenon initially. (Mistings are a natural part of Scadrial; Mistborn are not.) There is also a theory that Ferrings always existed, but no one realized.