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Also, just because something "greater' may have been present, does not mean that there was not Aluminum in the shattered "moon." There was likely a reason the Sleepless (if that was indeed the watchers he noted) stayed in that location - but I don't see them (or anybody) "guarding" Odium's perpendicularity. . .

Both Tanavast and the power of Honor wanted to destroy Odium. Even when Dalinar Ascended he wanted to just destory Odium for good. There was no though about protecting the world, just destrouction. The Fourth Moon was a factor, but even without it when Dalinar and Taravangian clashed, their powers threaten to destroy Roshar. So a third factor, probably - but it seems unlikely to me that it was the only factor. Honor may have wanted to Fight, but Tanavast seems to be trying to Protect the children Rayse had just threatened (as a goad) - and the Clash was described as a moment of Creation, not a Moment of Destruction. Ch 120: Good food-for-thought. Thank you.

Was this not directly covered in this WoB:

That seems to be a large assumption without evidence (unless you have some of which I am unaware). The quote in Ch 120: Greater than Aluminum does not, to me, imply an alloy - especially when teh Realmatic effect of Duralumin would not fit the effects of the scene (which, if any mundane metal was involved would have to be Nicrosil - bursting and amplifying an effect of somebody else (well two Avatars of Somebody else, in this case)). I won't say the deduction is wrong - there is not enough evidence for any definitive conclusion. However, the Realmatics invoked and a term "greater than Aluminum" imply either a Godmetal or a Dawnshard (since we already know that Dawnshards amplify surges - which is why the Sleepless made Rysn not-becoming-invested a requirement of their contract).

I've seen a bit of chatter on the clash that caused the Shattered Plains, and comparing it to Vin's clash with Ati in Hero of Ages. I had a thought that I wanted to put forth for discussion: WaT Ch 120: So, it seems to me there are two important differences that led to such a drastic difference in the results of the Shards Clashing: Vin and Ati clashed in the Spiritual Realm; Rayse and Tanavast clashed, as Avatars, in the Physical Realm Because they were in the Physical Realm - the splinters of the fourth moon (Possibly Adonalsium's Godmetal, or a Dawnshard being protected by Sleepless) reacted to, and amplified (Hmmm - almost like Nicrosil) the effects of their brief clash So, it's not that Vin and Ati's clash should have caused more Physical Destruction, it's more likely that this level of destruction was due to factors that did not apply to HoA. Thoughts, ideas, evidence of my ignorance?

This is what I came to discuss - Notably, in Ch 100 when Tanavast first arrives, no moons are described as being around Roshar. If Adonalsium's moon crashed with the Shattering, then this is likely the First Moon - shattered and forgotten before the coming of Tanner, Kor and Rayse. I think it being named Well of Control may imply this was the Control Dawnshard - being protected by Sleepless at the time of this clash, then moved after the results of their clash in proximity to the Well's location (allowing Odium's power to coalesce in the now-empty well and, therefore, hide his perpendicularity). Just thoughts offered up for discussion

Very slight spoilers from Sanderson's Altered Perceptions Essay (I would not recommend reading the Full Essay until after WoK - the Content in Altered Perceptions comes from WoK Prime - a very different book than the one that was printed): In case you were unaware, each book will have a Flashback character highlighted. As you see Kaladin's Flashbacks in this book, you will get Shallan's flashbacks in Words of Radiance. Slight Spoilers for Flashback Characters: Glad you are enjoying the story thusfar.

Terris were Realmatically aware before TLR, and we have no idea how old Axindweth is. We do know that there was a Terriswoman Worldhopper in Warbreaker (but unconfirmed if that was Axindweth or another Terriswoman - such as Aslydin, Demoux's Wife and another confirmed Worldhopper for the 17th Shard). It is very likely that she is older than Era 2 - either surviving the Catacendre and becoming a Worldhopper later (like Aslydin) or leaving Scadrial even before TLR was defeated (since we also know that Scadrial was hosting an inter-planet mercantile ring from Ruin's Perpendicularity during TLR's reign). WoBs: So, there are many possibilities that explain Axindweth being a Full Feruchemist without her being from Era 2 after Feruchemy was weakened by merging bloodlines. Hope that helps.

What we do know, summarized: Hope that helps.

I agree, I was just providing a resource for people if they were unaware of the information (or just the terms, and how they interact). Speaking of "any idea, written well, can be good" - are you familiar with Codex Alera and the history behind that series (six books, complete) genesis?

You can see the collected Epigraphs, with some basic analysis here. In case you want to see all the parts in-order or have a question like this one.

Tropes are tools, and I agree they can shine when used well. The Subverted page does a good job showing examples of how tropes can be manipulated: Hope that helps

Age? Preferences? Based on that list, I would probably recommend Reckoners as a next step (Book 1 - Steelheart). If you want to continue on to other Cosmere books, then I would probably recommend Warbreaker as a good entry into the Cosmere in-line with the titles already read. If you are a fan of 4th-wall/satire/surreal humour, you may also consider The Frugal Wizard’s Handbook for Surviving Medieval England and/or the Alcatraz vs. the Evil Librarians series. Hope that helps

But that was Wit's point in the section quoted above (reposted here): WaT Ch 33: We knew they had the word - but on Roshar it had (so far) only been used for it's normal, physical definition (Excrement, or the act of expelling it from the body). Though, personally, my problem was not the words, but the false-justification (blame Zahel - except - Nalthians also do not use that word in those contexts. . . ?). I was much more confised by the other, normal modern speaking patterns randomly inserted in the text (kind of, sort of, my ex, etc.). The more I think about it, my personal discontent has less to do with the modernity than it does with it's absence prior to this. If these things had been in RoW, then it would probably not be nearly as jarring (1 year time-jump - we can expect lexicons from across Roshar to mingle in Urithiru) but this starts immediately after RoW and it was absent there (except Ulim, Heralds, Wit, etc. - where it was used to highlight a personal vocabulry separate from "modern" Roshar). The anachronisms just detracted from the story for me.

WaT Ch 144: I took this to mean that, because she is the last (non-Deadeye) Remnant that was created directly from Stormfather, she has the largest remaining individual piece of Stormfather unConnected to Retribution. What it may mean in the future is up for speculation. OB Ch 108: So, most living Honorspren are fractions of fractions of a directly created Honorspren. I wonder if Notum's Great-Grandmother would also show these effects to her form. Hope that helps.

That sounds like a valid opinion. I, personally, don't see it as a change to Honor at all - to me it did not seem that the power of Honor cared one way or another (Promise is just a different type of Oath) - but the perception of the Unoathed and the Deadeye they are weilding (bonding to) means subtle differences to them. At least that was my understanding based on what little information we had in-world. WoBs may clarify - when those start rolling in post WaT.

As someone who has been a Sanderfan since (almost) the beginning, wtf? I logged in to reply to this. I get trolls, but this is qualifies as a sad attempt. You purposefully ignore the context of the quoted text. You ignore the fact that this is a halfway book, which can be excused if you're a new fan of epic fantasy. Just wow. Try again. Please don't attack somebody for expressing their opinion. It's fine to disagree with that opinion but attacking the person rather than disagreeing with the arguements just causes bad feelings and should not be what this forum is about (it's about discussion and sharing our thoughts on something we all enjoy enough to be in this forum in the first place). I agree with much of what VT said, though I concur that I do not think the motivations are as extreme as they beleive them to be. To me, SA5 did read more like a MG/YA novel than a normal Stormlight book. The Stormlight Lexicon was avoided frequently for more "modern" terms and phrases, but without a real reason being expressed for the changes. It was very offputting. For example: WaT was good, not great. And many of these anachronisms really were jarring to a large number of readers. This was a Stormlight book in Content, but it did not feel like a Stormlight book to many readers (me included) in Execution. I don't think time or merchandising were the causes - but something happened to cause these changes and without a valid in-world explanation it really does feel like Brandon was writing down to a younger audience than making a purposeful change to setting. Just my opinion, of course.

I actually think that was the point. The Knights that broke thier Oaths to make the deadeyes are gone. They cannot re-swear the broken Oaths (as Shallan is doing with Testament) - but Adolin is swearing a Promise; not an Ideal held by both Spren and Knight, but a personal oath that is still recognized by the Shard's power to reinforce the Connection and help Maya reclaim her Identity. Semantics, yes. In a way. But in this case it is not "distinction without a difference" because the Knights Ideals are too rigid about Oaths, and Adolin is basically giving that whole process the Heisman and going around it - because he does not want a Nahel Bond with Surges, he just wants to help Maya (and others) to recover what they lost. It's a Nahel bond, but not a Radiant Bond - and that may be why it works when just trying to swear Edgedancer Ideal would not have worked. WoB: Again, I am not trying to change your opinion. I'm still unsure of my own feelings about this story arc - but I am hoping to clarify how I preceived the Unoathed arc in the hopes that maybe, together, we can better understand why Sanderson wrote what he wrote. I would much rather form an opinion based on an understanding (or perceived understanding) of the topic, than just blindly like or dislike the sub plot. But, that too is just a personal quirk - YMMV.

The impression I had from Adolin's PoV (not necessarily my definitions, but the definitions I felt Adolin was trying to express): - An Oath was something generic and broad-based (e.g. I will protect those who cannot protect themselves) - A Promise was something very personal (He promised to help Yawnagawn learn to at least understand the militry side of Leadership - even if he may never fight on the front lines ) The Broad focus of the former sometimes means people get caught up in semantics and ideological conundrums (Kaladin still viewing Brige Four as a group he had to "protect" years after he had already helped them survive the situation that brought them together) often means there is no "resolution" to an "Oath" However the specific purpose of a Promise makes it both more personal, more deeply felt by the entities involved, while still having a very specific purpose and resolution. TL;DR: One is "I help people" while the other is "I will help you."

Antagonists getting Hoist By Their Own Petard A well done Bavarian Fire Drill (like Kaladin on the Tower) The Anti-Hero Team with well-done Heel-Face Turns Most of the various Gambits, when well incorporated (like Leras' combination Batman-Thanatos Gambit) There are many more, so I may add some later (don't want to hog too many options).

You should consider asking the questions here (or in the Stormlight Archive or Cosmere Discussion forum), since uQuiz has been linked to malware and spam.

US ePub - I show Folio: Takama before the Interludes and Sketchbook: Urithuru between Ch 30 and 31. I hope that corroborates something for you.

Night didn't leave, she became Nightwatcher. WaT Ch 4:

US ePub Ch 53: Should be Honorblade? Ch 117: Mid-line hyphen[space], possibly from a leftover word wrap?

Kaladin mentions aiming to kill Fused by striking the gemheart back in RoW Ch 2: There was a year between Oathbringer and RoW - so they learned about this offscreen - either just through experience during the war, from some of Dalinar's offscreen visions (since we know there were over a dozen and only a few were shown on-screen), or (possibly) from Rlain. Adolin even remarked on the Gemhearts earlier, (Day 3 and 7) Gemheart WoB: Hope that helps.