Treamayne

Perhaps is should, but in the Cosmere perception is important - and it was his own internal monologue of self-justification that made his deal with Odium remain important.

Why assume it was still present after Lin's death? Nergaoul was moving from Alethkar to Veden, Moelach from Kharbranth to somewhere (maybe the west). By the time Shallan has gone to Kharbranth and Balat makes his offer, it's only 2-3 months until the Everstorm (not that they knew precisely, but they knew the Desolation was close and the unmade were moving). It seemed to be the years between Chana and Lin's deaths that were "influenced." Of course correlation doe not equal causation - it's just a guess that the Unmade may have piqued their interest in a minor backwater Veden house. It could just as easilt been Wit showing up to the Fare with news of Heleran and using allomancy all-over-the-place; or any one of a dozen other minor details.

Most people likely to snap were in Noble Houses, and each house had it's own testing program (beating children, then testing them with metals while or after they heal) and many house's methods were specific to them. TLR had his own testing programs as well (especially for metals he kept secret). As for Skaa mistings, I doubt there is a common method. Learning through burning trace elements and/or being told by a Skaa seeker (like Marsh/Vin) were probably the most common methods. I doubt there would often be an event like Kelsier's (who heard Preservation when he Snapped). Hope that helps

It was not due only to Chana, there was an Unmade influencing them after her death. WoB: We still do not know which one, or how - but it is likely the Ghostbloods were interested in Lin Davar because they were trying to figure out which Unmade and why it was active in that area.

I do not know if you have read the deleted scene or not (Jasnah - WoR) but her skill and Oaths were not yet strong enough to Elsecall from Shadesmar to the Physical Realm (plus, she was out of Stormlight when she arrived). She used Honor's Perpendicularity (clarified by WoB, called "transfer point" in text) because she needed a point where the Cognitive and Physical realm touched (the definition of a Perpendicularity). OB Ch 33: It's implied that Honor's Perpendicularity is only part of the Highstorm during the Highstorm, and otherwise is found unpredictably elsewhere on the continent when there is no active Highstorm.

I agree that would be the primary reason, and his likely rationalization. But - he holds Honor now, if he lets his war destroy them or the reconstructed Vision-Kharbranth then he will have broken his Oath. One more step toward the kind of inter-shard problems that will either force him to lose one or both shards (like Tanavast) or essentially render him incapable of action that does not violate one or both Intents.

I hope that the "rebel" Skybreakers Nale mentioned return in his absence and start helping the Order find their lost roots and original Oaths. Even if the truth of the reforged Oathpact isn't widely known it's possible that Nales spren could get information from the SR vision to the other highspren. . . (using Connection shenanigans to Navani contacting Sibling from inside a vision). What makes you think they cannot use Warlight now? Radiants use Towerlight (mix of Storm and Life Lights), but it does not hold as well, vanishes quickly outside of the tower where it is perpetually renewed. Warlight (mix of Storm and Void Lights) should be the same - useable, but not as efficient, vanishes quickly without an easy source. The problem is that only Venli's Listeners know that you can pray for Warlight at midnight to fill spheres (and Venli will probably not notice a difference, since she already has a valid Connection to both Stormlight and Voidlight, but Jaxlim does not have a Voidspren in her Gemheart - so she'll probably be the first Radiant to test using Warlight).

It likely is a chink in Retribution's armour. Let's review the exact dialog - OB Ch 122: And the Power of Odium did "spare" Kharbranth and its people, by hiding it in the Spiritual realm while faking out Cultivation that it had been destroyed. The power of Odium even left the bodies of all her Babatharnish minions (who were not born in Kharbranth) as evidence of destruction. . . Seems like a secret he needs to keep hidden.

Do you have a source for that? I cannot find "legally" anywhere in WoR. The mention of legality is in reference to the Slaver Profession: WoR Ch: 11 Yes Adolin observes that attacking Sadeas in the Stormshelter without provocation could result in Execution; but mostly Dalinar wanted to deal with Sadeas in a way that matched Dalinar's Morals, not Alethi Legal code (though the Dueling Conventions were mentioned as code regarding how to challenge the duel). WoR Ch 50: But, Adolin was not an assassin, nor was he acting as one in WoR Ch 89. Even the author notes that it would be contestable under Alethi code that Sadeas, in that scene, issued a challenge and clearly threatened the whole Kholin Family - and Adolin only responded to the Challenge. Dalinar notes way back in WoK that Alethi society regards verbal insult as a challenge to duel. I do not think the situation is nearly as cut-and-dried as you seem to think, unless you have some references I may have missed. Would it have been prudent to show this discussion on-screen rather than implying it happened in the 1 year gap between OB and RoW? Sure. Is it obvious that Adolin deserves "Exile or Death" No, I do not think that is obvious at all.

Personally, in this specific case (Adolin/Sadeas) I think the Jim Butcher quote applies. Grave Peril Ch 39: It's not that Adolin didn't get his Karma for killing Sadeas, it's that Adolin was Karma for everthing Sadeas had done up to that point, as well as what he intended to continue doing. WoBs: I may be wrong, but it seems like we are trying to apply modern Earth morals and philosophies to a fantasy character, setting, and event. Our morals don't apply - and even Rosharan moral schema are mixed on if Adolin's actions would be justified or require punishment. I would say Sadeas got what he deserved, but I think he really deserved more pain than he received.

I see many threads possibly causing conflict, and I would just like to remind people that you have the [Support] and [Discuss] tools for your thread titles (Original poster can edit the title to add these tags by editing the first post of the thread - please see the Sharder FAQ for more detail, if needed). If you clarify what kind of thread you are hoping to make, maybe we can avoid some of the conflict we see appearing in these threads. WaT seems to be a devisive release, and I hope everyone remembers we are all allowed to feel and express our own opinions without personal attacks. From Chaos, at that link: Happy discussions everybody.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I thought you wanted evidence from within Stormlight Archive, without reference to the rest of the Cosmere and with minimal WoBs for explanation. I am not trying to change your opinion, you are entitled to how you feel about the book and series. I thought I was just answering your question with evidence I thought you were requesting. May I please suggest that you consider a separate thread using the appropriate [Support] or [Discuss] tag so we know if you are hoping to find like-minded fans or are looking to discuss possible evidence and foreshadowing you may have missed? Summary: In the end it comes down to that we don't know exactly what is happening yet. There is a lot of foreshadowing and evidence that will hopefully lead to a full explanation in the back-five. We don't know that Adolin is the first to have a bond with their Deadeye - we only now he is the only one we see on screen. Without access to Shadesmar or understanding of the nature of Deadeyes, anybody who may have started a similar process in the last 2000 years since the Recreance would be unlikely to experience any benefit from such a bond beyond the shortened summoning time Adolin sees at the Battle of Thaylen Field (7 heartbeats instead of 10). And if warriors in the past were starting to experience an advantage like that, why would they tell anybody and lose their advantage? I'm sorry if I misunderstood. Hope that helps.

Do we know specific infusions for specific "wines"? Not that I know of. Various wines use juice, food dye or some combinatoin thereof for flavor and color. True wine (from grapes) are known as Shin Wine. RoW Ch 76: Hope that helps

Copied from the other thread, same topic. My current theory: Also, please note that Aux mentions Windspren have joined the same caravan as Sigzil . . .

I think it implies that Vasher beleives she does not have Agelessness and will die in time. That could be an assumption on his part because she wants his breath (and he thinks it is so that she can reach 5th heightening). He may not realize there are other ways to have agelessness besides BioChormatic Breath at the 5th Heightening. . .

Do you realize this is backward? It was released first, but it was the sixth book he wrote. WoB: Hope that helps

Yes. The power of Odium was damaged at least once by their fight with Ambition (and Mercy was involved in some unknown way). Arcanum Unbounded Essay: Hope that helps

The bond between Adolin and Maya is entirely consistent with the Magic of Roshar, as shown so far. A Nahel Bond is any bond between a Physical Realm being and one or more Spren. We've seen it in the Rhyshadium (the bond gives them their sapience and strength), the Chasmfiends (The bond allows them to not be crushed by their own weight - square-cube law). Chiri Chiri is similar, needing a Mandra bond (Dawnshard) to survive and continue growing. The Radiant Bond is a specific type of bond that requires Oaths to allow the Radiant access to surges as the Spren helps heal their "cracks with something stronger." Maya said the Oaths (RoW Ch 94), but we know there is no access to surges, so this is likely some new kind of Nahel Bond - where Adolin is helping to heal Maya's cracked spiritweb. But you are correct that we do not yet know why Maya was convinced the deadeyes would be able to cross over whether or not BAM was released. However, we do know that a normal Deadeye blade is only able to be dismissed due to the Gem that was added after the recreance, which also created a bond between wielder and Deadeye (by syncing their heartbeat, to form a Connection for them to manifest as a Physical Realm as a blade. My guess is that because these Deadeyes were the "Forgotten" (explained in -story as lost Shads that were forgotten until they faded back to the Cognitive realm only) that even bringing them to Adolin's attention could forge some measure of Connection to help bring them through (just my current hypothesis). Yes, the primary result was Sadeas is gone. Palona said it best (OB Ch 2): More to the point - 1) Adolin did not "conveniently" find him alone. He heard the Seadeas searchers, and tried to leave without confrontation. Torol caused and provoked his own death. 2) Brandon really needed to kill off Sadeas, for the same reason Rayse was killed and replaced by Taravangian - how credible is Sadeas as an antagonist when every gambit he has tried has failed, and each new one fails harder than the prior. Events of WoR had rendered Torol Sadeas into a toothless snake - very annoying, but ultimately ineffective. Removing him allowed the Ialai storyline, the "return" of Amaram. I'm sorry this subplot didn't work for you, and I respect your opinion; but please don't think that the subplot was without merit because it fell flat for you. Ending an annoyance, expanding the story, returning Amaram (a larger threat for Kaladin than Sadeas was for Dalinar) and providing a mechanism for conflict between Adolin and Dalinar, character growth for Adolin and bonding mechanisms for Adolin and Shallan (over the investigation) means this one event pulled a lot of weight for much of Oathbringer's storyline. That's part of what I was trying to say in another thread. I do not think the power of Honor cares if you call it an Oath or a Promise, but the semantic difference is important to Adolin because, for him, a Promise is more personal - and if Adolin has one fatal flaw it is, sometimes, being too personal.

Please do not double-post. Edit your post to add your new comments. If you have more to add, but are still the most recent post. Please see the Sharder FAQ if you need tips on how to do so (and many other forum tidbits.) Yes~Ish. It's more that Surges are also another name for Fundamental Realmatics. You see Hoid use Lightweaving (Yolish) in both WoK and WoR long before he bonded Design (he then Lampshades the differences in RoW Ch 80) Basically, what it comes down to is that there are fundamental Realmatics, and many Manifestations of Investiture (MoI) share a variation on those fundamentals. Spoilers (Tress, Elantris, Mistborn, Yumi, Warbreaker) WoBs: So, it's a bit of a Chicken and Egg thing - Rosharans know the Surges First, and will interpret other magics from that PoV. From a worldhopper perspective, the only difference between "Fundamental Surges" and "Fundamental Relmatics" is a semantic difference. Hope that helps

No worries, I wasn't asking you to go searching, just if you recalled a source reference. Thank you very much.

Spelling error: Missing Hope that helps

Tanavast Flashback - Ch 107: This implies the First Planet was renamed by its inhabitants before the exodus to Roshar. Ishar mentions it in passing in Ch 131, but I can't find Nale mentioning the old name. The name is also the used for Ch 46, when Navani and Dalinar see the Elsecalling bringing the refugees to the mudflats, but the name is not used in that chapter itslef (except the Chapter name - much like Eshonai as the chapter name in WoK, but not used in-text until WoR). Ch 131: Interesting that he does not realize life persists there. . .

Yes. 太極拳 is the long form Chinese - Tai Chi is the Wade Giles phoneticism, Taiji is the Pinyin phoneticism (see also, Peking (WG) vs Beijing (Pinyin)). Basic summary - Wade Giles is the old British Colonialist developed romanization from the 1800s, Pinyin was developed by Chinese Linguists in the 1950s to address pronunciation issues with the Wade Giles system when trying to approximate Chinese language dialects. There is also another alphabet - Bopomofo, developed by pre-Maoist Beijing and introduced to help standardize a "base" pronunciation in the early 1900s, now used by Taiwan for teaching elementary school pronunciation (but it is not a romanization - just a transliteration system for pronunciation, since Chinese does not have an alphabet). There are multiple "families" of Taiji. I was an assistant instructor for Yang Family Taiji (amongst other Martial Arts studied 1982-2010). If the linguistics interest you, then I would suggest searching out a comprehensive DIctionary of Chinese Characters (the one I bought I found in Seoul, RoK - but that was 1999 and I would think they might be more globally accessible by now). For example, when I look up a character, the dictionary has for each entry: Long Form Short Form (when different) Kanji Short Form (when different) Pinyin Bopomofo English Hiragana Hangul Hope that helps.

Also, there is another point of reference on which Hoid is basing this comment. Elantris Spoilers: Which does not mean that Taravangian understood this before accidentally causing this effect by super-boosting the Everstorm. Hope that helps

Copy all. I'm sorry. It's difficult-to-impossible to un-know something (which is why spoilers being handled properly is so important) so I failed to look at the situation from a Roshar-only perspective. And you are right, from the first interlude of the first book (WoK I-1) SA has been the series with the most off-world references and interference. Other series are easy to read solo, but SA grows more and more reference-heavy and, eventually, what used to be Easter Eggs becomes required knowledge.