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Oathbringer Ch 120 brought another interesting Connection: That sounds very similar to Vasher's Nightblood test: So, if Nightblood (and Ashertmarn, Nergoaul and other Unmade) really work off of a version of Rioting emotions (influencing people through lapping against the cognitive identity - per WoB) I wonder if the nausea is due to Rioting emotions that are not present (with too much power) - or just rioting the emotions that seem to be influenced by both Nightblood and Nergaoul (desire to attack, kill, compete). WoB:

Concur. Not really - I was making a similar point to yours. Most Blackthorn Comments are about how effective Dalinar fought and led from the front lines in the flashbacks. I was trying to make a similar point to yours - the things that made him effective in those flashbacks won't apply to the BlackthornSpren - so they should not be the basis by which we discuss how effective Retribution's recruit will be in the back half or the wide Cosmere.

I meant that I agreed with the sentiment of the OP. BlackthornSpren recruited by Retribution will still just be one entity - and one that lacks the Thrill and an Army. Many people seem to be reacting to Blackthorn's recruitment like the Blackthorn will be able to wipe out entire armies on their own - I agreed with the OP that seems to be an overstated sentiment. Skilled? Yes. A Threat? Yes. But mitigating factors will apply, and we will have to see how he is written to really evaluate. For example - no Thrill lessens his fighting style as-seen in Oathbringer Flashback chapters 3-26. But, as a potential Fused/Herald-Type Spren in physical form, will he have Surges? That changes things considerably. Will lhe lead the Singer Armies? That also changes things. Does that help?

Granted, some of those comments were about the 3-Volume original Graphic Novel and were already addressed in the Omnibus. For more info, please see This Thread. Also the WoB on the Canon Prose (for exact words): Having read the Non-Canon Prose a few times, the original 3 Volume GN once and the Omnibus twice (the only version I have not experienced is the Audiobook), I'm still looking forward to the final Prose version - but really hope it retains the Ars Arcanum from the Omnibus. So well done! (Thanks to Isaac and Ben)

First, please let me start by saying that I agree that BlackthornSpren's importance is overstated - if just because so many of Dalinar-Blackthorn's feats were influenced by the Thrill - and Nergaoul is (as far as we know) still at the bottom of the Origin Ocean, trapped in the Kings Drop and locked in an aluminum chest. Second, let me reiterate this: BlackthornSpren is not Dalinar, and is not Dalinar's Cognitive Shadow. To assess this using either of those foundations is, I believe, to start from a false premise that cannot lead to solid conclusions. BlackthornSpren is neither more nor less than an Investiture entity given Identity by the Rosharan popular opinion of what the Blackthorn was as a warrior and General - coupled with whichever memories were incorporated to create the Vision of Rathalas and the memories that Dalinar shared in that scene. However, Retribution (only had one vessel - no "T" needed IMO) should be fully capable of making BlackthornSpren into a version of the Heralds - since it knows how Honor circumvented the Fused's need for a host body by creating a body from Investiture. BlackthornSpren should still have the knowledge (and capability that led to it) of how Dalinar innovated in herdaz and Jah Kaved (creating mounted archers was one of the primary innovations that drove the Golden Horde under Temujin to conquer most of Asia - which was one of Dalinar's "small team" innovations). So, I expect BlackthornSpren to be both more and less than DalinarThorn was. Concur - 15 years AD and I agree that Dalinar of Shattered Plains was an example the better leaders under whom I have served. Strong and Ruthless are the only points with which I would concur. if he actually had an Iron Will, he would control the Thrill, instead of being controlled by it. He would have controlled his actions and reactions before Adolin's birth to not become PNG in any sporting event competitions because he loses control. If he were charismatic, he would be able to convice people to floow his lead, instead of just walking over them and expecting them to follow. It works for him, not because he is charasmatic - but because he is that good with both strategy and tactics theat people do not mind following (and it is preferable to being run over). So, my descriptor list would be effective, ruthless and stubborn. But that is kinda the point. BlackthornSpren is those perceptions - not the reality of who Dalinar Blackthorn was. BlackthornSpren is the guy that, in Oathbringer, Dalinar muses was warranted their reaction to his visit (Ch 65): Agreed. But also, Blackthorn was adaptable, and successfully fought in most central and eastern Rosharan battlefield (winning in, Plains warfare, Island warfare, Rifts, Jungles, Coastal, etc.) If Retribution wants BlackthornSpren to explore outside of the Rosharan System and learn how to be successful in all/any of those environments, then that is probably the main reason he wanted the Blackthorn as a general in the first place.

Separated from another thread here - so that we don't divert the original Thread. My post: If she was part of the bargain to only have 1 shard per system, she has to be the original vessel. Wonder how she was denied creating Nalthis for so long (or if she was denied elsewhere and created Nalthis to circumvent whatever was stopping her). So, my first impression was that Edgli had been denied the ability to share Splinters with people to give them access to "the power of Gods" (which an Intent like Endowment would really need). That's obviously not the only interpretation: Initial Response: My assessment was based on Vasher's Comment that his world was so young it had no Fossil Records. Combine that with the math that the Many War was approximately 300 years before WoK, and Awakening had only been discovered a few centuries before that implies that there were a few thousand years between the Shattering and Nalthis' creation. Why? Thoughts? Ideas? Am I insane?

WaT Ch 56 Epigraph confirms: Concur that this is the most likely interpretation, going by other questiosn Brandon has confirmed he dodged.

Correct. BoM describes Nicrosil Fabrials (Medallions) and WoB says that F-Nicrosil is "similar but different." Era 3 is supposed to cover much of this, which is why most questions so far have been RAFOed. WoBs:

Agnostic Theism may apply - those, like Dalinar, that believe in a Diety - but do not accept Shards as being that Diety; as well as those that accept the Realmatic Nature of the Cosmere, but still ascribe to some form of Theism?

Nazh, and his Threnodite beliefs (maybe). It's a short snippit, but may be more indicitive as things progress: M:SH P3 Ch 2:

It's not after her bond with the Sibling (especially since there was not much screen-time after the bond and before going to the SR in WaT), but we have this in RoW right before the bond - Ch 102:

My impression was that Ishar was the Unmade of Shinovar. He knew there was an Unmade there because, in his lucid "near an Oath or Perpendicularity" moments he recognized what he had done to himself - becoming an Unmade Herald by taking up a portion of Odium's Well causing him and his connection to the rest of the Heralds to be the source of their magical Madness (which he misunderstands as him "holding it back from them" but Kaladin shows is him spreading it out to them)

Or, better yet: Dresden Files book 6: Codex Alera book 3:

No worries. Personally, I kinda like Vorinism's Journey through the first arc. Sanderson has purposely played with the interactions of religion, people, and culture though most Cosmere Stories:

Wax was the sword Harmony was looking for - that epigraph is years before Wax returns to the Basin (shown in the Epilogue when Wit applies to become the Ladrian Carriage Driver, right after "the previous one drove off a cliff" - which puts that scene right after Edwarn's "death" and before Wax receives the news and returns to Elendel). WoB: Interesting theory though. Hope that helps

Sorry for the slight OT: You keep using this term, and I am confused. Do you really mean to imply that you think Adolin is a paragon of Femininity, or do you perhaps mean Gary Stu instead of Mary Sue (or, perhaps, some other definition)? Excerpt: Again, sorry for the OT, but I just wondered what you mean when you use that description. Thank you very much.

The Excommunication was on-Screen in Oathbringer. Ch 100: Hope that helps

Keep in mind - All investiture originates with Adonalsium. And all investiture was assigned to a Shard during the Shattering. WoB: It is more likely (if the idea is sound) that a specific Shard gave Splinters to the Iriali (like Endownment/Breath) so the Iriali have a specific investiture tied to their sDNA that is seeking Experience (returning the SR after they die, to be reborn to another Iri again later). Hope that helps

Tropes are fairly inescapable - but there are many many ways to Play with a Trope. Examples from that page: Hope that helps

You may be interested in these threads. Just keep in mind that they are not in the SPoiler Zone, so WaT references should be avoided if possible, or properly spoiler tagged if needed: Mercy is Worrying Shardic References Hope that helps

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This line and idea was expressed by Dalinar in Ch 127: The Homunculus was just a vision version of Wit, but by trying to connect with his Hoid's actual Spiritweb to display that fragment of history from Alaswha, it had "issues." At least that was my interpretation.

I did something simlar starting around Day 5 (once the day page listed more than 6 viewpoints). I used that day page as a sort of "checklist" so, for example, Ch 55 has Venli's icon for the chapter, so I read all of the Venli sections in Day 5. The Ch 56 had the Narak Icon, so I read all of the Narak POVs in Day 5, Ch 57 was Flashbacks, so I did the Day 5 Flashbask and kaladin/Szeth-in-Shinovar sections. Repeat until Ch 68 (last chapter of Day 5) then check the "checklist" to make sure I didn't miss an expected viewpoint in teh say (that did not have a chapter heading icon). Just make sure that co-located viewpoints are tackled together: Dalinar and those in the same "location" (like Shallan and Navani) Shatterd plains Azimir Shinovar "Others" YMMV - just an idea.

Don't forget the best Shardic one-liner ever: From SoS Ch 7 - Full excerpt: It's the old saying - "You can lead a Ryshadium to water. . . "

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