TheMightyLopen

I think I'm gonna switch to Walin. I feel like maybe he knows there were only 4 Jeskeri to start(I remember him saying we probably only had 1 or 2 Jeskeri left after we'd lynched the 2nd Jeskeri, so he seems pretty confident in that number). I'll admit it's a little iffy, but I don't have a better lead right now. Straw.

3 hours ago, Cadmium Compounder said:

I don't have a seon, and i think it would be nice to have one! I havent really had all that many pms throughout the entire thing, and during those ones, I still felt too uncomfortable to provide any real information. 

I'll pass it to you during the Night then.

I didn't really go over anything tonight like I was hoping to, so I'll just put a vote on Straw since I'm slightly suspicious of him.

I feel like there's a decent chance one of the Elantrians is evil, and that's part of why there was no Cultist kill a while back. Because if there's a Cultist Elantrian and a slightly inactive non-Elantrian Cultist, the Elantrian one wouldn't have wanted to draw attention to the Elantrian group by killing another Elantrian while the slightly inactive Cultist just wasn't around or something. That's my current theory at least.

3 hours ago, Kidpen said:

I'd like to point out that @King Cole hasn't posted for quite a while. I'd also like to point out the @TheMightyLopen has marked him as slightly village several times in the past for no reason whatsoever a far as I can tell. Not gonna vote, but I'd like to see a post from Cole and an explanation from Lopen.

It was actually because of his very first post where he said he didn't know what to say. Felt like a clueless villager rather than an eliminator trying to look village. At this point I don't have a clue though.

I've been sick for the last couple days, and still am not feeling great, but I'll try to find a place to put my vote tonight.

Oh, and I tried to gift a Seon to Imperial Mint, but he died...so the offer is still up for anyone who wants a Seon(and doesn't already have one ).

Does anyone want a Seon? Seonid Heired me his, and I really don't need two.

1 hour ago, little wilson said:

*she, thank you very much

I'm not the last village Jindo. There had to've been three who started in the game, one Jeskeri and two Arelish. Dalinar and I both protected myself the first night I was attacked and saved. I asked the GMs what happens if two Jindos protect a person who's attacked and they said that both are exhausted (which, just so you know, Hero, I have major beefs with for balance purposes because that's ridiculously unprecedented and should've been made clear at the start of the game). Therefore, Dalinar and I were both useless the second night I was attacked, and yet I was still saved. By a third Jindo. I was hoping this third Jindo would protect Seonid last night, but alas, they did not. I, meanwhile, protected myself and will therefore be saved from lover-death when Len dies to the lynch. This will not turn me neutral, btw. This will turn me village. Apparently if a Jindo saves themselves from lover-death, they don't become in love with themselves. They return to their original alignment and win con.

Also Lopen. Why? Why did you reveal that? What was the point? To make me a target and kill me? Thanks, but no thanks. You've just incited my ire. You really shouldn't have done that.

Really sorry about that. I thought you were going to die when Len was lynched. I didn't realize that the Jindo protects from lover-death from a lynch. I was hoping Len would die during the Night so you could survive, but since he didn't I thought it wouldn't matter if I revealed it. Only reason I revealed it was because part of Len's defense was using you as an alibi and I wanted everyone to know it wasn't reliable. Honestly, I didn't think there was any point in withholding this.

1 hour ago, Elenion said:

I'd like to defend myself more, but I don't think I have much more to say. I've given a timeline of everything I did with the Pendant when I had it. But it's hard to shake off a false accusation when everyone just wants to follow the cop. Since no other lynch targets are materializing, I am resigning myself to my fate. If anyone has any questions for me before I go, I'll answer them.

Here's the way I see it. There's like, 2 options for who the Odiv could be. First option: the original convert who we never found. We don't have any leads for this player. Second option: You were scanned as Derethi aligned. Steel, the Gyorn, claimed to have given you a Pendant. So you're involved with the Gyorn. The only player who can confirm you passed the Pendant is Wilson, who happens to be your Lover(according to Seonid, and Steel also said he was in contact with Lovers, so it makes sense). So we can't trust her about this. That's more than enough reason to "follow the cop" on this one.

Vote tally:

Elenion(3): Lopen, CC, Kidpen
Walin(1): Walin

Could we get some more votes? Walin...not what I was hoping for. xD

31 minutes ago, Elenion said:

@DroughtbringerAt the end of last cycle I was about to send a PM to a person I had been talking to for the entirety of the Night, but I got cut off by personal stuff and I don't want to reopen that PM just for this. To them: The answer to your question is Lopen.

Hmmmm?

I'm almost certain Elenion is the Odiv. 

And yay! Elantris is back! I've been meaning to message one of ya'll and see what's been happening, but I've been very busy the last couple Cycles, so I really haven't had the chance to do much. Now I don't have to!

Also, RIP Seonid. Best scanning I've ever seen.

14 hours ago, Seonid said:

My recommendation is that we jeskeri pendant Len, and lynch him if nobody does that.  By all means, if he comes up village, lynch me.

However, just to note for you. Lopen can confirm the entire plan. I came to him with my scan on Len at the start of the day, and when Len pmed me asking about the scan results, I told Lopen every step of my intrigue.

Finally, I was the one that got Len to start the bandwagon. Ask yourselves - is it more likely that I got my Gyorn lynched - when we were within a few days of winning and neither of us were under suspicion - or that Len saw the writing on the wall and tried to bus his outed-via-scan teammate in the hopes of gaining enough trust to avoid getting scanned/lynched?

Exactly this. No way would Seonid do all of this if he was the Odiv, and it's clear he's not Jeskeri.

Len, it's totally possible for you to be the Odiv. Wilson can't clear you of anything.

I'm inclined to think Len is just being careful in case Sronid is bluffing. He's not, of course, the bluff was about scanning Steel.

Oh yeah.  Straw Steel

17 minutes ago, Seonid said:

Since I'm outed, I suppose that there's no point denying it. Because of course, you know my role much more conclusively.  After all, Len is your Odiv, and I claimed to him a while back.

My apologies @Elenion for the intrigue I've played with you today. I actually scanned you last night. And when Lopen and I determined that there was a good chance that Steel had converted you, I figured I'd try to use your and his reactions to determine the truth.

Can confirm.

6 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

3 Jeskeri would be a pitifully small number of elims. Perhaps, as Pyromancer says, this was the cause of the extended cycle. I don't see any reason to think a kill order on a fellow Jeskeri wouldn't go through, so I doubt that's it. Perhaps the player to place the order accidentally submitted three actions and thus got their kill action blocked? It is also possible that all other remaining Jeskeri are inactive. I don't think they would be purposefully stalling with the Derethi seven unconverted players away from winning.

Speaking of the Derethi, who are still the main threat, I would assume that the priest scanned someone on the Gyorn/Odiv suspect list. I believe @little wilson and @TheMightyLopen are the priest's contacts and can inform us of the scan results.

The Jeskeri are not the village kill. It would be helpful if they managed to kill off the Derethi, but their win condition is still to kill every non-Cultist.

No news yet. I'll PM them and see whats going on. In the meantime, probably best if we don't solely rely on the Priest and get discussion going. 

Recapping the suspects:

Walin, Straw, Imperial Mint, King Cole, Coop, Steel(Citizen claim, unverifiable), Pryo(same as Steel), Seonid(very unlikely), Mraize(very unlikely), Lopen(only Gyorn if Odiv is Prince), Elenion(similar to Lopen).

I think thats it. At the moment, I'd like to hear more from Straw. If he's not the Gyorn or Odiv, I might consider Steel, because I've had a weird vibe from him. Stink is impossible to read. King Cole seems too inactive to be a power role, imo, but that doesn't mean we should ignore him. Walin, eh, not sure what I think about him. Coop, did have a Korathi Pendant, but used it, which would be weird for the Gyorn to do. Pyro feels village to me. Elenion, possible, as he could be using an Odiv Prince's power as a cover(I'm almost always suspicious of Len :P).

Maybe Straw is the Gyorn? I feel like he's been a little off this game. Reminds me somewhat of the Death Note QF(15) where Straw was a single elim with a convert. I might take a look at that game tomorrow to see if there's any correlation. It just seems like he's less...hmm, how to put it...involved? Like, one line votes aren't too odd for him, but he usually will do more than that in between votes.

I tried to put him on you.

49 minutes ago, Elenion said:

I'm fairly sure the vote count is still off, because I Princed STINK onto the bandwagon as well. I'll shoot the GMs a PM and hopefully that gets resolved to clear me. At least it didn't change anything major.

@Devotary of Spontaneity (about my Joe suspicion last cycle) Good point. It's not impossible, but it does move the probability down a few notches.

I very much disagree with this. If they win we don't, just like if the Jeskeri win. There are probably only 2 Cultists left, and 18 players alive, so the Derethi are much more threatening than the Jeskeri are at the moment. Unless we have a confirmed Jeskeri tossed into our laps again, I suggest we focus almost entirely on the Derethi from now on.

...Wow, I also tried to Prince Stink's vote, so that may be the issue here.

2 hours ago, Elenion said:

@TheMightyLopen Do you want me to move someone's vote today to further verify myself? I've already claimed, so I don't think it would do any hurt. I've used my Seon today, so my own vote will be canceled as well unless someone Princes me back onto the bandwagon.

@Steeldancer I should have known you'd have the sense of humor to pull something like that on me right after I told everyone I'd notify them if I was converted.  But why didn't you claim earlier?

@Seonid I haven't been converted (other than the brief window with the Pendant), which kinda surprises me. Maybe they plan on me dying.

Sure, that's what I'm doing. My vote will be cancelled as well, since I've also used my Seon.

2 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Here's Lopen's Gyorn list from yesterday, which it appears he made by taking the player list and removing the Elantrians and those with a claimed role. His current Gyorn list looks much the same, though it removes Mraize as a suspect for some reason. Pyromancer started with two items, and as he was the first one to theorize that roleless started with two items, it's likely that he's roleless and thus not the Gyorn. We can safely cross Dalinar off the list, as he's been scanned as Jeskeri and is being lynched anyway. I'm not sure why Seonid wasn't on Lopen's list, so I've added him in. @TheMightyLopen, why don't you consider Mraize or Seonid to be suspects? Seonid was supposedly scanned by Joe as Arelish, but that doesn't stop Seonid from having a Korathi pendant. It does make him less likely to be the Gyorn though.

@Mraize has posted frequently, but most of his content has either been RP or a single line under somebody else's quote. It's also really hard to find his relevant posts because they're buried between all his other posts in the role-playing section. If Lopen had a good reason for not including him, I can take him off the Derethi list.

It's Day 5, and we finally had someone claim to have given Elenion a Derethi pendant. Elenion has also claimed to be a prince, which should be fairly easy to confirm by having him shift the vote of a particular person. He just has to let someone know who's vote he's going to shift, or vote while using both his Seon and his Prince ability to cancel his vote. Unless we later decide that it's possible for a Gyorn to have a secondary role, he should be able to prove he's not the Gyorn

I PM'd Mraize earlier, and he's been very open with me. I'm confident he's not the Gyorn, but I suppose it isn't 100%.

Seonid was scanned by a Korathi Pendant, which isn't affected by other Korathi Pendants. Again, there might be some weird way he's the Gyorn, so it's not 100%, but it's close enough that I'm confident he's not the Gyorn.

Wow, lots of claims. Okay. Updated list:

Steeldancer - Items: Seon, Shu-Dereth Pendant. Role: Citizen
Elenion - Items: Seon. Role: Prince
Pyro - Items: Seon, Poison. Role: Citizen
Walin - Items: Seon? Role : Unknown
Joe/Coop - Items: Korathi Pendant. Role: Unknown
Straw - Unknown
King Cole - Unknown
StinkImperial Mint - Unknown

Probably should hold off on any more public roleclaims, so we have some anonymity left for the Priest/anyone else with good roles.

Yep, I've got a Seon. It's my only item.

4 minutes ago, Kidpen said:

Do we know that you aren't the Gyorn? This isn't an accusation, I just don't remember if you were mostly cleared for one reason or another.

No, not for sure. I claimed Prince on Day 2 and used my power then, so the only way I could be the Gyorn is if I swore an Odiv N1 and they were a Prince I think. I've been meaning to use my power but have kept forgetting since then. I'll send in an order now I guess, although I'm not sure it does much good.

9 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

When you said in the discord that you play best in PMs, I wasn’t sure what that looked like. Now I do, and I am SO glad you are working with us and not against us. Dalinar. (I couldn’t come up with a way to say that in RP so I’ll post some more thoughts in a little while)

Shouldn't I get the credit since Wilson blamed me for it?  

Dalinar. Would have done so earlier but I was on mobile.

And now the hunt for the Gyorn and their Odiv!  My last few PM's I've been trying to get claims mostly for this reason, and I've had some success. There's still a wide pool of suspects though, so this won't be easy. Here's the group I suspect the Gyorn is in:

Joe/Coop - Items: Korathi Pendant. Role: Unknown
Steeldancer - Unknown
Elenion - Items: Seon. Role: Unknown
Walin - Unknown
StinkImperial Mint - Unknown
Straw - Unknown. Fairly inactive, so unlikely to be the Gyorn
King Cole - Same as Straw
Pyro - Items: Seon, Poison. Role: Unknown. Kind of expect the Gyorn to have a Korathi Pendant, plus I don't really feel like Pyro would be the Gyorn

At the moment, I think Elenion, Steel, Coop, Stink, or Walin are the most likely to be the Gyorn. Out of those 5, I wouldn't think Coop or Walin would be the Gyorn, since it would be a little odd for Joe or Honey Badger to leave the game if they were such a crucial role, but I don't think that's reason enough to count them out entirely. I'm pretty sure Elenion isn't the Odiv at least, because he passed the Shu-Dereth Pendant one Cycle after receiving it I believe.

@Elenion, @Steeldancer, @STINK, @Coop772, @Walin, @Straw, @King Cole, @TheYoungPyromancer do any of you have information or reasons why we should believe you're not the Gyorn? Not looking for a role claim just to be clear. Just anything that might help us narrow things down.

If anyone has reason to believe any of these players aren't the Gyorn, please say so.

Oops. Thats partly why I messaged him, so he wouldnt become a blind spot. That, and I was hoping he'd have a useful power. Sorry for inadvertantly revealing all your info though...

He also told me he has no items, so yep, that settles it. But, I'm a little confused. There's another Jindo out there who just protected you?

1 hour ago, Elenion said:

 

Aaand Lopen just did this same analysis. @TheMightyLopen I think you miscounted: I count 19 living players.

Yep, you're right. I forgot I included HH in my suspects list, so I thought I just hadn't mentioned the 4 Elantrians and myself(I had 8 Jeskeri suspicions and 7 non-Jeskeri reads, so with 4 Elantrians and myself, I counted 20).

Nice one! Let's try to keep this going and have a good Day of discussion. We finally got confirmation that there's an Odiv(we were only at 5 converts the previous Day I believe). The Gyorn is not a convert, so they've got 10 unconverted players left to go. 2 converts per Cycle means the max amount of time we've got is 5 Cycles, but probably more likely 3 or 4 to catch one of the Gyorn or Odiv because of the lynches/Jeskeri kills. To narrow down on who the Odiv could be, they'd have had to be converted before N3, because that's the latest they could've been sworn in or whatever. I'm pretty sure that clears me of being the Odiv, as I believe I was scanned by the Priest on N2, and the Priests scan happens after the Gyorns conversion. I'm still not converted, just fyi. I guess they don't expect me to survive that long.  Wait...I just noticed that the convert tally only has 19 players and there are 20 living players, so I guess Hero already removed the Gyorn, which means they've still got 11 unconverted players to go.

Anyways, I already posted my list of who I think the Gyorn could be, but I've got non-Jeskeri reads on quite a few of them, so my suspicions list is a little smaller I think.

Here's my Jeskeri suspects at this point: Steeldancer, Straw, King Cole, Devotary(Dula), Mraize, Kidpen(don't think so, but eh), Imperial Mint, HH. 

Non-Jeskeri reads(I'm pretty confident in these): Wilson, Coop, Elenion, Walin, Seonid, Pyromancer, Dalinar.

No idea about the Elantrians. Has anyone heard from them recently? If not, I might PM them just to see what's going on.

1 hour ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

Wilson seems cleared at this point, and I was under the impression that Lopen has been scanned (did I not read in the thread somewhere? I might have to go back and check). Seonid I forgot about, he's been really quiet. @Seonid Any thoughts on who might be Gyorn? My original thought for you was that you worked to get drake, but that only indicates you're not an elim, you could still very well be Gyorn. Finally as per Steel, I'm not super familiar with who is experienced and who is not, I haven't played in that many games myself. His rp style plus large number of total posts made me think he was experienced.

Also, I don't think we can put that much weight on how early people voted on Drake. Drake was one of the first to vote for Aralis.

@Elenion Do you have reads for Lopen and Seonid? 

Yeah, I was scanned as village. Wilson posted this to the thread before I mentioned it. Not sure you should take that to mean I'm cleared though, since I could have a Korathi Pendant(I don't, but there's no way to prove that).

21 hours ago, Walin said:

 

Alright, so Drake was an elim, so we've managed to get two now. We have a small number left, between one and two. I think last cycle is good for some analysis, but based on the accusation and analysis given, no votes on Drake will be suspicious. I'll look through the wording, though.

Actually, I'm guessing we've still got 3 Cultists left. 5 out of 26 players is just under 20%, which seems about right, considering we've also got the Gyorn and whoever they convert.

I'm almost certain the Gyorn is in this group of players, so I will be keeping my eye on these players:

Joe/Coop(had a Korathi Pendant, but I don't think he's the Gyorn)
Steeldancer(weird feeling about him)
Straw(fairly inactive, so unlikely)
Elenion
King Cole(same as Straw)
Mraize
Walin
Dalinar
StinkImperial Mint

I think that's everyone. Maaaaaybe Pyro, but I don't think so. I don't really have any strong leads though, so I probably shouldn't write anyone off just because of gut.

14 hours ago, Elenion said:

Or he just used or passed them both. But Araris was short one item for being vanilla, so that does support your new theory.

Or it could have been a stalling tactic intended to give him one more cycle and likely cause a mislynch that cycle. Not saying the elims don't have a Pendant, but it isn't the only explanation.

Harder to lynch, plus the elims would control when the surprise second death happened. Not as scary as an evil Priest, but more so than an evil Prince, Monarch, etc.

Also, that lynch has changed/set/reinforced a few of my reads:

The Priest: almost certainly village. That would be one mean bus on a teammate.

Joe/Coop: village. Apparently he's tied into this whole mess, and Wilson said that his alignment was likely the same as the Priest's IIRC

Straw: village. Jumped right onto the Drake bandwagon, was not on to retract a vote. Either the elims decided to bus Drake early on, or he's innocent.

DK: village. Same reason as Straw

Len: village (of course). Collected the evidence Drake was eventually lynched on.

Wilson: village. Told me to extract a claim from Drake.

Pyro: iffy. He didn't join the bandwagon straight away, but joined after a more detailed explanation was given.

Kidpen: a bit elim-y. Didn't join the Drake bandwagon until he had claimed outright, even though Kidpen had posted multiple times before that point and withheld their vote.

Araris being short an item is why I'm thinking the Jeskeri have a different system. I was originally thinking Araris Poisoned Aman, but now that Pyro claimed that action and Drake is revealed to have no items, it seems more likely the Jeskeri are just different.

Yeah, that's definitely possible. It's just, in my experience, whenever someone is as adamant about something as Drake was about having a Pendant, there's some truth there. Maybe he was just committing to the act of having one though. I guess we'll find out sooner or later. >>

I'm also not on the reads list?!

12 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

Convert tallies are posted at the beginning of each Day turn. 

Oh, I must have missed that. Thanks.

3 hours ago, STINK said:

Mint asked the nearest servant if this wasn't fabricated and sent to him as some kind of joke. Surely whoever was transcribing their words was at least making something up? And if not, then Mint was going to be quite suspicious of whoever this fellow was, irrespective of if they'd made some fool's gambit to eliminate one of the conspirators or not.

Nigel looked around, but it seemed this 'Imperial Mint' had mistaken him for one of his servants. Well, having no memory of not being his servant, maybe it wasn't a mistake after all? Just to be safe, Nigel did the best bow he could.

"I mean no offence your royalness, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Everything that Bob said seemed to make sense to me."

(Hope you don't mind me hijacking your RP a bit )