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Is she perfect? No. Did she identify that most of the heralds are now insane? Yes. She very reasonably misjudged her own insanity because she understood her own goals. To her, it is sane to want to destroy the false idols of her divinity. She isnt murdering people or scrawling proficies with her own feces. But looking at modern Ishar? If Ishar was even 50% as insane as he is on RoW, Ash would have pegged him as mad. Destroying your own false effigies is no where near as crazy as god king Ishar. Ashe is not mutilating sentient beings in her madness. She hasnt convinced herself that she is god. And to me, I see how that looks sane. But why did she judge Ishar as sane and not the other heralds? Clearly Ishar was able to project something that had convinced her more so than other heralds. Even if she is 100% kookoo bananas, Ishar has been able to fool the other heralds better than average amongst his peer group. I don't know if it is history. I don't know if it is pageantry. I don't know if it is actual sanity. But the fact Ishar has convinced 8 other cray immortals that he is sane is rather impressive. People in mental wards wouldn't be able to do that. And at a certain point, if you are able to convince 8 other immortal beings looking for insanity that you are a rational acting being who somehow wasnt affected, at what point are you a rational being who isn't insane because you can pull that off? It takes a certain amount of self awareness to pull that off. More awareness than God King Ishar seems to have at any rate. Convincing yourself through self delusion that you are sane is reletively easy. But pulling off that ruse for 4000 years to a group of people in the same boat as you? Impressive. God King Ishar wouldn't be able to fool any herald, so what gives? Ishar is not just destroying his own effigies. He is nutzo and any herald would disagree with his godhood, We haven't seen any herald agree, at any rate. I highly doubt Ashe will say "no, I think he is right. He is the god king". Is it that he true desolation pushed him over the edge? Is he is over acting? Is it a bluff? I don't know, but something is off here.

There is a possibility that Ishar actually isn't totally insane (or only recently became thios catastrophically insane) All the other heralds seem to think he was holding it together. We have discounted the heralds as being too insane themselves to judge, but surely a Kelek had seen Unchained Ishar, Kelek would have been ... suspicious of insanity. I think we need to give the heralds credit in their ability to pinpoint obvious madness like that. If Ishar has been insane, he was at least cogent enough to hide it from others or trick the other heralds into not noticing. So maybe Ishar is only recently insane. Or perhaps Ishar is acting intentionally crazy for reasons only he knows. I just cant believe the heralds would have seen him in the recent past and not raised an eyebrow at contemporary Ishar behaviour. If ishar is crazy now, he seems to be the most catastrophically crazy, and I just don't think Ashe would fail to notice that and thought "he seems good"

Gavinor crossed my mind too. He’s young enough that he likely will be taught to read and write. He also was a kid during the events so needs to go interview the old people to find out what happened. He is also shown playing with gravity blocks and Syl on screen.

Isn’t the second half of the 10 book series supposed to be herald focused? They can’t have … gone too far.

Maybe in book 5 we learn how to get off world? And the heralds and the wind nope out of Roshar?

Oooooh. Jasnah hearing wind voices made her insane? Everyone thought she was schizophrenic?

I am now thinking this Venli’s mother. She’s a historian or sorts. or perhaps one of Jasnah’s old friends? The veristitilians?

What happens if Odium kills a Dalinar before the contest? Would that void the agreement because Dalinar was unable to provide his soul? Maybe Todium doesn’t care about turning Dalinar into a Fused

Maybe The Wind wants Kal to go find the next Bondsmith? Maybe the Bondsmith that might bond The Wind? The Wind led Syl to Kal before Kal was a radiant so this sort of "find them before they are a bondsmith" holds to a pattern. We have heard it was considered seditious to try and have more than 3 bonsmiths, which sort of implies people had at least considered bonding spren that were not the main 3 bondsiths.

I am sad we most likely wont see an attempt to re-make The Thrill and see what he was before unmaking.

No. it is just a popular theory that has grown in popularity. There could be another explanation for how a herald was killed.

Maybe The Wind needs to merge with The Stormfather to make him less of a roid rager?

I wonder if any of these have been remade and unmade multiple times? Why the 3 part name for Ba-Ado-Mishram? Maybe: 1. She started of as Ado 2. Was remade by Cultivation to be Ado-Mishram 3. Was then unmade by Odium to be Ba-Ado-Mishram Or maybe: 1. She was Ado 2. She was unmade by Odium and became Ba-Ado 3. Was remade by Cultivation to be Ba-Ado-Mishram before being betrayed by Kelek?

Interesting that we now have been introduced to a new god: The Wind. I am not saying The Wind is the Stormfaker, but it seems there may be more gods out there than we realized. I know some people didn't like the Stormfaker idea because they didn't want new entities being dropped into the plot, but man do we ever have the opportunity for new godlike entities now! I don't get the the impression that The Stormfaker is The Wind. But seeing as there are Gods with overlapping portfolios, what the Stormfather is could be even more complex.

What would it mean to fight for The Wind instead of The Stormfather? Is it a different faction or just a forgotten ally? Especially considering The Stormfather Stormfaker WHAT THE HELL confusion coming out of the prologue.

Sja-Anat says she was Made and then Unmade. Did Cultiuvation and Honour corrupt some of the Old Magic Spren? Then Odium corrupted some of them again?

Oh for sure. And The Tree might now be The Nightwatcher for example. But maybe not since you would think The Nightwatcher would be fairly well know.

We now know that Adonalsium left a few Gods on Roshar. We had seen some evidence of this with The Stormfather predating Honour, but I wonder how many we can find? A lot of these might overlap, but it would be interesting to see which might be the same entities. Possible Old Magic Gods Honour and Cultivation Gods: Changed by Honour and Cultivation? The Stormfather The Nightwatcher The Sibling The Unmade: Ba-Ado-Mishram - high intelligence Sja-Anat: Taker of Secrets: medium high intelligence Dal-Gonarthis: black fisher - medium intelligence Re-Shaphir: Midnight Mother - medium intelligence Yelig-nar: Blightwind; grants 9 surges: medium intelligence Chemorash: dustmother Nergoul: the thrill - mindless Ashertmarn: Lust and desire - mindless Moelach: death rattles - mindless Horneater Gods: The Gods of The Mountains The Gods of The Waters The Gods of The Tree Forgotten Gods: The Wind Szeth Shin Gods: The Stone The Sun The Stars Odium and Braize: The Everstorm The Barrier Storm Suspicious Concepts That Could Be Gods Truth Suspicious Places That Could Be Gods: The Purelake One Thought To be Worshipped as Gods: Chasmfiends The Irali: Spoiler for Pre-Release Interlude

Could The Wind be connected to The Everstorm in some way? It seems odd that Odium would be suppressing a Wind God while trying to get his own storm off of Braize and into Roshar.

Nice catch on the Szeth Gods. It also reminded me of the Horneater gods: the gods of the waters, the gods of the mountains, gods of the tree. No mention of wind there. Water is new.

It seems like Rayze was using one of his magical unembodied hands to muffle The Wind's voice. When Rayse died, no one was actively muffling her anymore. Taravangian didn't know anyone had been muffled and so The Wind was able to at least get her voice out. It is unclear if she is still shackled to a chair in some way, but she is at least able to call for help from this point on.

While I agree that is likely, it could still be a candidate: Pre-Release Interlude Spoiler

If Adonalsium left them, then 16 would make sense right? 12 Old Magic Spren We Know 9 Unmade Nightwatcher Wind God Stone God 2 Possible Old Magic Spren Stormfather / Rider of the Storms - Possibly a newcomer in the actual pantheon or corrupted in some way The Sibling = Possibly a newcomer or corrupted in some way by The Tower 2 More Possibly Cusicesh but Brandon has said he is lower power than The Nightwatcher? EDIT: Sun - mentioned by Szeth EDITL Stars - mentioned by Szeth Horneater Gods that helped make the peaks: the gods of the waters the gods of the mountains gods of the tree

I agree it also hurts the theory. But at the same time I have trouble parsing what happened. Was the blade actually in the safe or was the safe empty? DId she pretend to grab a blade but instead summoned Testament into her hand? Or was there actually a blade in there that she actually summoned? If there really was a sword in there, is it possible she grabbed the sword and then summoned it? If she had grabbed an Honourblade, the sword wouldn't need 10 heartbeats either. And no she had not convinced herself that "the weapon had belonged to her father"! That is never what she said. This a completely new retelling of what she thought was in there! She thought a soul was in there as a child and she never once in WoR thinks that the item is her father's blade.

OOOF. Is the "seeing the future is of Odium" propaganda to make people distrust The Wind?