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Let see what I can find in the WOB's It was originally a Novel (His first, actually), and if you count the graphic Novel I believe it's been re-written 3 times now. He's said he wants to do it again but better. And he's said he wants a print/prose version for those that want to be able to consume the entire Cosmere written instead of having one piece of the canon that's a whole different medium. Also he has said that "we did not get the worldbuilding across in a visual medium the way we wanted to", with some odd choices in the art (lack of armor, a White vs Brown person ethic thing he doesnt like, etc). https://wob.coppermind.net/events/131/#e3964 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/323/#e9259 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/422/#e13938 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/530/#e16493 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/35/#e4399 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e9044

"A Revolution without Dancing is a Revolution not worth Having." -V For Vendetta "Actors use Lies to tell the Truth, Politicians use them to cover it up." -V For Vendetta

Medallions operate on the same mechanic but almost certainly a weaker Bond than the Honorblades since the , while with Medallions effects and so presumably the Bond Ends immediately when contact is lost.

Im still very much convinced that they map to the Allomantic Table per the old Quadrant Theory, and the Dawnshard names have so far fallen in line with that nicely. Exist For things to manifest in the Physical Awaken for the Cognitive, as the Primal Command to crossing the sapience boundary, Connect to capture to fundamental quantumly entangled Spiritual nature of of the Cosmere (without having any specific flavor to the direction or nature of what that Conection will do) Change to anchor the very concept of Temporal Progression, that transition between the settled Past and the possible Futures (ie The Edge of Infinity itself).

What was he like? Why did the 16 go with the plot to kill him? Some wanted power but some were genuinely good people to whom it seemed like the only option left. I hypothesize that he was a "micromanaging" God albeit with good intentions. This led to a level of intrusion into the mortal affairs that people found unacceptable - they wanted free choice. The on the nose explanation of what happened is that the 16 who shattered Adonalsium outsmarted and killed him. This seems suspect to me given his own omniescence and power. The alternative I propose is that Ado reflected on the reasons of the people wanting to kill him and found some of them valid. He questioned his role up to that point in the affairs of Cosmere and allowed himself to be shattered. Where's Ado Adonalsium stepped down from ruling the Cosmere by letting himself be shattered. But he didn't "die" in the process,The assassination was an impetus for him to self-reflect on his role in the Cosmere. He went from being a micromanaging God (like Old Testament God) to a "wise witness" God (like New Testament / Christian God). My guess is also that he is not powerless after Shattering but being the all-powerful Cosmic Creator and source of everything, by being Shattered, he simply willingly invested the Vessels with his power through Shards (like Honor invested the Heralds) and could reclaim that power at any moment should he choose to (well that was my guess, I don't think anything in the text supports that strongly. Thanks @wormotif for pointing out why it's unlikely. On the other hand Nohadon = Ado seems to have a lot of evidence in the text). But he wants to let his people rule themselves now (like Nohadon did for a time) and listen instead. This parallels the human king Nohadon's personal journey and reflections on ruling and his reflections in Way of Kings are applicable to the human king as well as the cosmic deity. Nohadon in Wind and Truth visions is Adonalsium Note: Nohadon = No-h-Adon = No-Lord (No = negation as in English, Adon = Lord in Hebrew). In Wind and Truth Dalinar encounters Nohadon in his visions of the Spiritual Realm. This entity pulls him out of his final encounter with the god Todium without the god noticing anything. That’s a pretty big sign that he’s at least a Shard level power. It could be Dalinar’s mind itself but Nohadon doesn’t seem to be a figment of Dalinar’s imagination. He serves him buttered bread which Dalinar has never eaten before so has no way of imagining it. Dalinar seems to come to the same conclusion: So if he’s a different Shard+ level power then which one? Possible Shard candidates are Reason and Valor about whose location we know little. But Nohadon's advice (to the degree that he explicitly even offers any) is very balanced and rings with wisdom. While we’ve seen that a Vessel can overpower a Shard’s intent I’d expect at least some of that itent to shine through in an extended conversation and I didn’t notice any Reason or Valor impulses here. Additionally, if we look at the actual life of the king Nohadon and his book The Way of Kings - the argument that he would be one of these Vessels grows very weak. He doesn’t write like a person guided by an extreme of a single Intent but rather with a wise balance. There is only one other being with this power level that we know of - he is some part of Adonalsium himself. We’ve seen in the book that there are parts of him that remain - the Wind, Stone and Night on Roshar. So it’s not unthinkable this could be another "part" of him - potentially the primary part. And note that we do not know how powerful that could be. Is king Nohadon the same being as vision Nohadon? If so, that would make him Adonalsium incarnate. Did (some part of) Ado decide to incarnate in Roshar to learn more about mortal lives? Did he make himself forget his godly nature for a time or was he aware of it? Or was the king Nohadon simply a human king who reached similar conclusions to ruling that Ado did. I am inclined towards them being the same entity. Some text evidence for king No-h-Adon = Adonalsium On first reading these words they refer to Nohadon's journey by foot when he deserted his kingship for a time. But they seem even more relevant to a God recognizing the day to walk away and abandoning his throne and gifting his people with his absence so that they grow to solve their own problems. Who better for Tanavast (a god) to study than the actual God? Dalinar shares a meal (bread with butter) with Nohadon in his final vision before Dalinar abdicates the power of Honor. Nohadon also doesn't say who he is even though Dalinar explicitly asks him (see next quotation). He lets Dalinar pass with two lies. Nohadon asks Dalinar to consider what "Nohadon" would do in Dalinar's situation (being in possesion of divine powers but unsure of how to apply them for the good of everyone). Later, Dalinar seems to follow Nohadon's unspoken advice and abdicates his divine powers. Just like I suggest Adonalsium did (and the king Nohadon did for a time). In a subsequent paragraph, Dalinar (and the reader) questions the king's identity - implying he might not be who he "obviously" seems to be. After that Dalinar notes he doesn't feel like a god but a man talking to another man. In what situation would Dalinar (a god) feel this way? Maybe when talking to another god / God. When Taravangian tries to claim Dalinar's soul before it passes into the Beyond, he is denied. The being that Dalinar interacts with seems to be the most likely candidate by whom he is claimed (thanks @adouloumis for pointing this out). Finally, let's consider this Tanavast's stream-of-consiousness when he begins to question the actions he's taken as a deity: Tanavast asks the Wind (a part of Adonalsium) what he should do. It tells him to listen. He stops micromanaging (leading, organizing, pushing) and for the first time in his divine existence it all start to make sense. He is needed as a witness. They might be better off without him. Could Adonalsium have come to a similar conclusion? Note that while compared with Tanavast, the Wind still considers Adonalsium to have been a caring God but it's possible to have an overbearing and still well-intentioned caring God. I also want to shine a light on this part of the above quote: At first glance it is just another in the enumeration of random individuals Tanavast witnesses (the woman milking hogs, the child, the scholar, the wanderer) but it has a double meaning - Tanavast is also a wanderer on a god's journey and unwittingly walks the same path of listening that No-h-Adon has taken up after the Shattering. Thanks for reading, looking forward to your thoughts. These Words Are Accepted.

I dont know, I could see Valor getting broken down into different (possibly even contradictory) interpretations just like the Orders did for Honor, with some physical representations. A faction or spren-like representation of the patient, stealthy, and strategic combatant, your quiet killers and guerrilla warriors, for example, could still be seen as Valorous.

Unless the means of "hiding" was arguably more dangerous/frightening/challenging and was intended to do something, a sort of Training Arc? What if the "Hiding" Shard is the one that distributed themselves into a Race to experience all of Human experience? According to Fake-Hoid, the Iraili could be considered "Raw Investiture, propped up and speaking like a sock on a child's hand" like he was. So what if they are literally just extensions of the Shard, thousands of minor Avatar's that dont know their true nature? What if a Shard came to the classic "It's not about the Land it's about the People" conclusion and invested themselves into a race instead of a planet. If it's Reason, their motivation could be the Experience itself, to Learn from every Perspective possible. If it's Valor Im guessing it's more of a training arc or a battle plan, putting themselves at risk to quietly gather Experiences and Connections (and maybe even Powers) from across the entire Cosmere. At least one Iraili Bonded a Spren and intended to try to follow the caravan as far as they could, so they should have been able to make it to the next world (even if their surges may not have any local fuel).

These bond would be extremely weak by the standard of the cosmere as a whole and operate on Physical Contact without any function at distance, so the Bond involved might not be Spiritual enough to get around Aluminum's type of local interference. Im thinking of the way it'll block Seeker senses but not [SA stuff] .

Welcome to the Shard! Who's your favorite Cosmere Character? Have you read any non-Cosmere Sanderson? Favorite Video Game?

Was the OP theory that the Malwish were using a grenade to dampen it as part of their play to get them back, or that some third party was tricking them? If the Malwish were behind it they might have simply been lying. Did anyone else "confirm" they they were empty?

For several reasons dont think that's true. For one, the Malwish claimed they'd be able to tell if they were fake even drained, meaning they believe the Bands to be qualitatively different that a similar lump of metal. For another, Medallions have more Identity that most metalminds per the Arc Arcanum, and that combined with the Connections we know would remain to what it used to be means it should still be useful realmically to worldhopppers (even if pure metallic arts probably dont offer the needed functions). Plus the Malwsih could still very much believe they can reverse engineer better medallions from it even if they prove to be wrong about that. If nothing else, the physical construction of them with all the different layers welded directly without corrupting the individual alloy mixtures is a non-trivial accomplishment in it's own right.

I figure they are indeed drained of their stored power reserves, but that they are still functional as All Metal's medallions. Which would mean that there's a possibility that they could be recharged, but also that studying the Bands might teach them to make medallions with more metals/powers than the current limit. Or at least I think the Malwish believe it to be possible enough to consider them strategically valuable to them enough to want to control them before others can.

One that I'm still trying to hang onto against accumulating evidence to the contrary is that the Rosharan Continent is a giant Cryptic causing a ripple on the seafloor of what would have otherwise been a water planet. Id previously thought that would be revealed as the identity of the Sibling, on the logic that the Highstorm is a planetary sized effect and the whole continent might be it's Peer with the Tower just being it's interFace. Im not sure if there are any named candidates left, but I still like to think that's how the Fractal shape is maintained even if it's something barely sentient. I once saw a pretty solid argument that Feruchemical "Determination" is actually storing Intent, and that the Ars Arcanum description as a Mania/Depression slider is just what happens when a Ferring stores non-specific Intent Power/Amplitude/Volume without storing it as a specific Intent. I'm treating this as a personal Headcanon until we learn something new in the next era. I like to think the barely mentioned "Potion" magic from Sel is going to be the pinnacle of personal modification/augmentation, even more than Forgery, feruchemy, or AonDor. I have others but Im drawing a blank at the moment. And Im in the last stretch of WoT which has my head spinning...

I loved these books! Correct on the high velocity limit, at one point a character destroyed their own boned and muscles delivering a super-speed sword thrust. Normally give bullet time perception but not necessarily any actual speed increase on a physics level, though iirc at one point a character manipulated their own limbs via wind streams to bypass some of the muscle limitations. Wind also has the True light-manipulation Invisibility (and the Lens-solar fire-beam, as a group effort) and Lightning. Very OP I could be wrong but I thought she did ice claws but not actual super growth nails? I always assumed they could only do basic/short-term/"natural" manipulations to soft tissue, fat deposts, water retnetions etc to change their shape but probably couldnt do bones unless they were willing to break them first and then control the healing. No, I agree, this always felt like a little bit of anime swordfighting worship combined with a general sense of attempting Game Balance (a pitfall BS specifically talks about trying to avoid). Even if the Metal-skin trick was common and not supposed to be rare (and typically fatal or close like any Manifest Metalcrafting per WOJ), they should be on at least equal footing with most other martial crafters in a fight like Wind or Earth, and probably behind Firecrafters for overall destruction. My best head-cannon was that metalcrafting let you literally magnetically move your blade so that it would intercept blows without as much conscious effort on the metalcrafters part (and with a physics-based increase to sword speed). But for them to even come close to their rep I think they should have had more magneto powers and actual Manifest Furies in the form of Blade Squids or Needle Porcupines or something. Its camouflage more than invisibility, I think. In theory the plant matter clings to you and moves with you to obscure your presence and passing, but it required a lot of plant matter around and I believe it was considered much easier to see through. Bernard tore muscles in his back using Wood against Earth strength to fire his superbow, and Isana almost lost herself when she tapped the whole Ocean, but those are the closest examples I can think of. Oh, that poor firecrafter who had to hold back the Town's worth of Fire to make Tavi's flour firebomb trick work. Poor kids was nearly delirious. If I had to guess, a Firecrafting to cauterize the wounds which prevents Watercrafting healing. They can anchor Firecraftings to Gems for cosmetic purposes, they could probably work something into the hilt if they cannot put it on the metal directly (which might be a thing? I dont recall). Im pretty sure they mentioned a maintenance cost to bound furies like that. There was a passage before one of the prison breaks about the fighting ones being harder to keep and/or more expensive, so Tavi got them to use cheaper Owl furies for detection and summoning of the heavies. That would complicate the line of succession too far, with any adjustment being too far outside their inherited cultural Norms they inherited from Rome, I think? Better they just have a system for handling lots of Bastards without needing formal documentation. Also sometimes people just choose Monogamy, even if society wants breeding rabbits. I think one of the basic implications of that whole inherent vs Manifest Fury scholarly debate is that they arent sure that manifest furies are anything more than the current user's subconscious. if true then the "inheritance" mechanic is purely an illusion of bumkins tricking themselves into copying a family member's fury form, they'd all just be like the two brothers with matching Lions because they read the same story as children. Of course the existence of secret Great Furies doesnt really fit that either. Probably why it's an inworld debate that got so much page-time. Even if they are real, my understanding is that a given Human can usually only support furies of a given strength (total or for a given element I dont know) so it wouldnt even make a low-level crafter into a Lord. But other than that, multigenerational accumulation of FuryPower seems to very much have been the secret to the High Lords powerbase. They might have been genetically powerful in their own rights, but supposedly most if not all of the High Lords had a Great Fury in their homeland bound to their Bloodline (or at least restrained by it). Calling it now (useless for a complete series with no plans for a return) and it was hinted at but never addressed: Im convinced the Feverthorn Jungle is a Great Wood Fury, and the Chidren of the Sun race (which Im guessing are plant-based) the Alreans though was wiped out instead just retreated into the Jungle and has been hidden by its Woodfury powers.

Welcome! Regarding your Towers fan-rules questions, for now I would post it in the WoT Spoiler sections since at minimum you're going to have to quote the book a lot for the scenes where it appears, and it's better safe than sorry for spoilers. Eventually it could probably be moved to the general Cosmere section unless it proves spoiler-free enough to just be in the games or maybe creator corner areas.

AonDor in particular of all the Selish magics loans itself really well to permanent and/or architectural magical constructs, and we know from WOB that establishing a Connection through the Spiritual Realm can bridge that limitation which AonDor can do with the right Aonic spell. So if we're specifically talking about recreating an Oathgate system, it might fall right into AonDor's wheelhouse to have Architectural Gates on various planets with an Urithiru-style central Hub on Sel to anchor the network and transmit Dor out to the satellite Gate Platforms via programmed Spiritual connection Aons.

Per this WOB Hemalurgy should be Optional (to the best of his recollection at the time). PS, Anyone going to any WoT events or whatever think they can call him on this promise to jus tell us after The Lost Metal?

Bleeder was a Kandra so their relationship the shards is odd on the face of it, and they dont innately have allomancy. And while Preservation couldnt so certain things Harmony has more uncontested Power. Per WOB a solitary Shard can do a whole lot more than we've seen to their population, simply because they have no Peer to disagree. Per WOB they absolutely can just smite people out of existence and things if no other shard disagrees, so Id think a lesser form of Spiritweb Severing would also be on the table. But generally I agree, it's more likely that the Prime Aether would refuse to Bind to a born and/or Snapped Allomancer once the bond written into their sDNA was awakened, and only if the Aether knows of some realmic Danger to itself for allowing that kind of Connection to a Shard that we arent aware of. Not so much because I think the Vessel of Preservation would be incapable (if they can snap with the Mists to send messages and even modify the expression of godmetals and Mistings. Exactly, it's basically the same as using Healing instead of Bendalloy to Heal the cellular Damage of Malnutrition or Dehydration instead of stopping the cause: It still sucks to experience, and it's also very inefficient from an investiture standpoint, Spiritual Healing is one of the most costly. So why do it if you have another option? You can also Set yourself on Fire and heal the damage as it comes, but it would be better to put out the fire (or use Brass to prevent the burning, which per WOB is possible but a little counter-intuitive). Per WOB a Shard can smite folks. They cannot just like Choose to Block the power any more than they can casually turn off Gravity, generally speaking they have to play by the realmic rules and cant just prevent it from working whenever they want. But if there's no opposition they can smite a person just fine, which "is an effective way of making that happen", and the Scadrian shards get more access to the people than average because they're infused into their essence more. And if they can Kill Somebody they can Maim them, which would include being able to do targeted spiritual Damage like severing Connections. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/370/#e11817 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/370/#e11815

I foresee interplanetary Oathgates becoming a thing before too long (on the scale of the whole cosmere tale). Definitely from Roshar once the spren Connection issue is solved, and at least Aondor is probably capably of something similar eventually. But they take a lot of Investiture, so you'd need an abundant and renewing source.

Agreed, I think it's inevitable, by some mechanism if not by the direct Compounding I describe. ON the Game-breaking bit, he's been very specific that this is not shooting for any sort of game-style balance, it's about narratively interesting (in the same way Nukes are objectively stupid OP, but they're a thing we have to deal with). I dont think being able to manufacture Breaths in itself would move the whole Cosmere to a post-scarcity state or anything, it would just move the monopoly on Investiture to those groups that have a means of bringing Investiture over from the Spiritual Realm that is more scalable than Nalthis's planetary Birthrate. That's seems like the perfect sort of thing to elevate specific planets/cultures to a Superpower Status in the Space Age. We'll just have to RAFO on the How, I guess. Oh, I think the Metalmind Storage mechanism and the "Command to Move" Awakening method of moving Breaths are going to have several functional differences and at least some we can anticipate. For example, Feruchemical Storage would not allow for any modification of the Breaths Identity (without 2ndary intervention) in the way Commands commonly will. BUUUUT, I do have to remind myself that Im actually a little skeptical of the idea that Breaths can even BE stored feruchemically. Hemalurgic Nicrosil can steal (and thus technically store) raw Investiture like Breaths. But the wording and examples of F-Nicrosil say that it stores the Ability to use Investiture but not the investiture itself; you can store and tap the Misting ability but you still need to Burn a metal to get the Investiture, and WOB says you can store a Divine Breath but also confirms that Breaths and Divine Breaths are fundamentally different realmically and/or for the purposes of metallic arts. Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, that first WOB says that becoming a Mistborn is hard, and the second says that Fueling Allomancy with some other Investiture is Hard (even though we've seen at least one method now). Im not talking about either of those things, Im talking about Fueling other magics with Allomancy and/or converting Preservation's Investiture into some other form using Allomancy and that the Tunable Metal Burning effect of Compounding as the transducer. Allomancy, and Feruchemy to a much lesser extent, are two of the very few magics that are capable of moving Investiture directly from the Spiritual Realm, without the need of some environmentally limited Perpendicularity (Shardpool, Birthrate, Highstorm, magic planetary body, etc). Sorry, looking back I really didnt explain my thought on this one very well, and I have several buried assumptions in it. Let me try again: Where the Nahel bond grants the Spren a realmic Anchor in exchange for Investiture effects, Luhel Bond trades Physical Matter for Investiture and/or Investiture Effects. So assumption #1 is that the Prime Aethers actively Want or even Need Water (or literally just Investiture realmically tuned to Hydration, perhaps). If that's the case, the Investiture as Crystal or Vines whatever is the payment of the transaction, but (here's assumption #2) might not be functionally required for the process. Normally it's all naturally limited by how much water the Aetherbounds' body can absorb and how fast, but the Feruchemy has no upper limit on Tapping Rate. So a motivated Aetherbound might be able to essentially leave the spigot open in the background without needing to manifest anything overt, and just have a constant internal burn cycle, trading Metal to Preservation for Investiture but using Compouding to Tune it all to Hydration Investiture immediately shunt it directly to their Prime Aether. Which would become a very tiny siphon if Investiture from the Big-A side of the Cosmere balance equation over to separate (per WOB) Aether side of things. All that being said, the real thing I find most interesting about this option is that the very strong indication the Allomancy is just a Luhel Bond to Preservation (by Hoids' definition in Tress), meaning you'd be hacking two Luhel Bonds directly into each other, if (assumption #3) a single person is capable of having two Luhel Bonds the same way they can have two Nahel Bonds, and/or that both the Prime and Preservation/Harmony would choose to allow it the same way both Spren would need to.

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For what it's worth, I have heard they also had to resort to things like thinner paper and no TOC, etc to avoid splitting WaT into two volumes, and that the length of Wind and Truth is literally pushing the boundaries of how much Novel you can cram into a single Book just from a manufacturing/binding perspective.

Aluminum can block effects in the Physical Realm but does not seem to disrupt Realmic effects and/or transitions, given that they could Soulcast inside a box of aluminum that time. So I dont think so, as long as all the aluminum was inside the radius of effect. But if it were crossing the edge boundary it might collapse the effect in the same way it will pop a speed bubble.

I had something similar happen to me, it was because of my VPN, something in their backend (or maybe just the IP it was showing the world) had been flagged for suspicious activity and added to some of the automatic filter databases.

Id like to read that WOB, because I suspect it was talking about using Heighentings/Awakening methods to store breaths into a non-specific Metal for compounding, rather than compounding Breaths Stored by a Feruchemist in Nicrosil specifically (which WOB confirms a Nicrosil Ferring can store via feruchemy). I'd think that so long as the Investiture in question is stored in the metalmind using Feruchemy it would become fair game for Compounding, which should be a viable way to convert Preservation's Investiture into Breaths or Stormlight or maybe even Dor if the Ferring can find a way to Store it in Nicrosil. WOB does say that most of the magic systems can be hacked together (with varying degrees of difficulty) so I dont think both being Metallic Arts cousin systems is going to be a hard requirement. Similarly, if Bendalloy compounder became Aetherbound they should theoretcially be able to use basic Water Storage feruchemy to shunt Preservation's Investiture directly to their Prime Aether with only Metal supplies and the Spiritweb strain of Savantism as limits. I suspect those sorts of conversions are intended to be major geopolitical factors in the Space Age era.