Mid Range 50: The Northern Wind II

[Experience he/him]

11 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Smh this game is dead

Reads list for y'all to go nuts analyzing I guess :P. Hopefully prompting some discussion or something.

• Experience- Should I be concerned there is one name here? Thought so.

Exp

Reasoning? Or is it just because im exp and your mat? 

I'm not sure what to do. Normally I would go for a tj or mat lynch for info reasons and also gut stuff, but now I'm not sure what to do because the lynch doesn't reveal allignment. I wonder though... it just occured to me, especially with TJs last post... could they be trying to pocket devo? I don't know if that is plausible, so possible tj/devo team? I dunno. TJ for now.

[Illwei]

39 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I was thinking because Tani flipped important village role but yeah that doesn't make much sense :P.

Reminder that she claimed engineer more than once

And yeah not following that reasoning very well :P. 

And yeah, no one else was inactive, and no one was inactive any other cycle. I huess even randby posted once each cycle according to the post counter? 

And yeah, birds disappear. I got the PM birds this cycle and used them to open a PM with Matrim, which we really havent used all that much but thats probably my fault for being at work all day

Also what was that most recent post from Exp???

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

16 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Devotary, did Jon say anything of note in the doc?

Mostly just that he spent one repair action fixing the Captain's quarters, and then anything else is less significant knowing that he's a villager.

@Experience, we do learn alignment from the exe, it's hospitalisations that don't reveal alignment.

[|TJ| he/him]

2 minutes ago, Experience said:

I'm not sure what to do. Normally I would go for a tj or mat lynch for info reasons and also gut stuff, but now I'm not sure what to do because the lynch doesn't reveal allignment. I wonder though... it just occured to me, especially with TJs last post... could they be trying to pocket devo? I don't know if that is plausible, so possible tj/devo team? I dunno. TJ for now.

What?? I'm attacking an argument which I found flawed for all the reasons which I've given? I've asked questions here for everyone who suspects Devotary questions to ask themselves here  

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

So my main argument against Devotary elimination -> Why would an elim Doctor go to heal an elim kill? Why would the elim kill be submitted on the heal target? Why would an elim doctor heal in the first place? I get trying to obtain village cred, but they've already missed one cycle's kill. Explain these questions and I'll entertain the ideaof elim!Doctor!Devotary

and here

7 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

In that case, it still doesn't make sense for elim!Devotary to revive Jon because elims could have happily kept him in the hospital 'cause that counts for their wincon, and gone for another target meaning then they'd have reduced 2 villagers as compared to one right now. 

Why can't I attack an argument which I find flawed and defend someone who I believe is village? Why is that seen as pocketing and how do you, specifically, differentiate pocketing from a villager defending someone who they believe is village?

[Experience he/him]

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Mostly just that he spent one repair action fixing the Captain's quarters, and then anything else is less significant knowing that he's a villager.

@Experience, we do learn alignment from the exe, it's hospitalisations that don't reveal alignment.

Doh. Ok, you can just ignore that then.

Just now, |TJ| said:

What?? I'm attacking an argument which I found flawed for all the reasons which I've given? I've asked questions here for everyone who suspects Devotary questions to ask themselves here  

and here

Why can't I attack an argument which I find flawed and defend someone who I believe is village? Why is that seen as pocketing and how do you, specifically, differentiate pocketing from a villager defending someone who they believe is village?

... honestly I can't. But it's not just you defending devo that has me voting on you. I have a gut elim feeling for you, and don't have anyone better to vote on, except maybe mat. 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

Szeth_Pancakes (3): TJ, Biplet, Devotary
Devotary (2): Quinn, Gears
Azmine_king (1): Illwei
Experience (1): Mat
Random Bystander (1): Szeth_Pancakes
Illwei (1): Azmine_king
TJ (1): Experience

Szeth. Final vote to come <30 minutes before rollover. Probably either this or TJ or whatever is needed to avoid a tie.

[Illwei]

I honestly believe szeth is village rn. 

Note that the Elims didnt kill d1. Dont forget this. Idk what it means but inactives/new people. 

Inactive fits sart and randby. Killing jon twice? No clue who that fits. Iirc az has also forgotten a kill before in a game. 

[Biplet she/her]

8 hours ago, |TJ| said:

and Biplet (hey, you've been agreeing with me a bit and it's making me side-eye you :P)

 

Yknow, that’s fair XD. I’ll do better to form stronger opinions on my own once I get a better grasp on SE games but hey, at least it means you’re making good points  

[Mat he/him]

8 hours ago, Experience said:

Reasoning? Or is it just because im exp and your mat? 

Exp

Idk :P.

Azmine

8 hours ago, Illwei said:

And yeah, birds disappear. I got the PM birds this cycle and used them to open a PM with Matrim, which we really havent used all that much but thats probably my fault for being at work all day

......

you did?

Pretty sure I never got that.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

With just one hour left in the cycle, here's another reminder to get your votes and actions in! @Illwei @Matrim's Dice @Gears @Random Bystander @Azmine_king @Devotary of Spontaneity @Experience @Sart @Szeth_Pancakes @|TJ| @Biplet @Quintessential

Here's a VC:

Szeth_Pancakes (3): TJ, Biplet, Devotary
Azmine_king (2): Illwei, Mat
Devotary (2): Quinn, Gears
Illwei (1): Azmine_king
TJ (1): Experience
Random Bystander (1): Szeth_Pancakes

[|TJ| he/him]

Okaaaay I believe this is close enough to the rollover to inform y'all of this and I wasn't planning on doing this in this cycle if the votes weren't so close. I'm the Navigator and now that Airship Bridge has been destroyed, henceforth, my vote is random. Vote randomization works this way - this random vote can fall back on the person voted and it can fall back on myself. Basically everyone alive is fair game. As such, as of now, there's a 1/4 chance that if I keep my vote as it is, it may land on me, Illwei or RandBy creating a 4 way tie. 

So I'm kinda confused as what to do, cause if I retract my vote (it doesn't vote randomly then) it's a three way tie between Szeth, Az and Devotary, 2/3 I'm fine with killing. Optimum move for me would be to wait if there's any further changes and then retract my vote in the end when I'm sure there won't be any changes.

If things stand as it is, I'll be retracting my vote in self-preservation (never thought I'd be hearing that sentence from someone, much less saying it xD) at the end of the cycle.

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, |TJ| said:

If things stand as it is, I'll be retracting my vote in self-preservation (never thought I'd be hearing that sentence from someone, much less saying it xD) at the end of the cycle.

Here: Szeth (Devo) so you can retract without tying it.

[Illwei]

I dont understand how that works, TJ, but

@Quintessential, you can unvote devo now :P. 

Ih a new page 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Illwei

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

@Quintessential, you can unvote devo now :P. 

lol way ahead of you

[Illwei]

2 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

lol way ahead of you

Ih shhhhhh

[|TJ| he/him]

2 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Here: Szeth (Devo) so you can retract without tying it.

Mkay thanks Szeth

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

I dont understand how that works, TJ

Paraphrasing GM PM - 

TJ: How does my random voting works? Can it land on me or the person I am already voting?

GMs: It's random to all - It includes you and the person you originally voted on

[Illwei]

But then its not a 1/3 chance, its a 1/...11? 12? How many people are in the game? ??

@Quintessential

Edit: @|TJ|

Whoops

Edited May 14, 2021 by Illwei

[|TJ| he/him]

3 out of 12 which is 1/4 :P.

Edit: 1/4 chance of a 4 way tie and yeah 1/12 chance that I'll die.

Edited May 14, 2021 by |TJ|

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Okay, with about 20-ish minutes left, here's a VC to help you guys keep things straight: 

Szeth_Pancakes (3): Biplet, Devotary. Quinn
Azmine_king (2): Illwei, Mat
Devotary (1): Gears
Illwei (1): Azmine_king
TJ (1): Experience
Random Bystander (1): Szeth_Pancakes

also smh why do you guys hate ties so much, i love ties

[Quintessential she/her]

Er uhhh hmmm actually Azmine (Szeth) I have weird gut on Azmine, idk : P also Illwei knows him and says he's acting weird so eh. 

[Illwei]

@Quintessential, @Biplet, @Devotary of Spontaneity

I guess this will end up looking really bad if szeth flips elim, but right now the evidence i see against him is a tunnel, and in terms of tunnels, az's is more....interesting. can i convince any of you to switch? :P.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Illwei said:

I guess this will end up looking really bad if szeth flips elim, but right now the evidence i see against him is a tunnel, and in terms of tunnels, az's is more....interesting. can i convince any of you to switch? :P.

... okay that's the second time.

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Wait, WHAT happened last night?

*sigh*

(Randby) Azmine

Tie safety

 

[|TJ| he/him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

I guess this will end up looking really bad if szeth flips elim, but right now the evidence i see against him is a tunnel, and in terms of tunnels, az's is more....interesting. can i convince any of you to switch? :P.

It's not the tunnel for me, it's the retraction, retracting and voting on a totally different kind of target and especially the retrospective "I didn't read them elim". Can we have a tie between them?

[Biplet she/her]

I’m gonna keep my vote on Szeth, because it looks like he won’t win the exe but also because I can’t in good conscience vote on Azmine when I can’t really read ANYTHING from him. I’ll look like a dingus if Azmine flips elim