Quick Fix 51: I Love Dragons

[Gears]

2 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

The whole point of the Arbalist is we give it to such a player who is dangerous as a villager, so the elims will not be able to NK them. Giving them the bow and eliminating them when they are supposed to be NK immune player doesn't sit right with me. Gears

I literally said not to do this as I proposed it. It was operating under the assumption that all of our attempts to get a village Arbalist fail and that we cannot trust the Arbalist at all. It's a very fatalistic proposal and I was basically thinking out loud. Did you not look at my other proposals? What do you think about those? Why do you hyperfixate on the one proposal I say not to do? 

Bit miffed, sorry if I'm being rude. I just don't understand why you've selectively sampled my proposals.

1 minute ago, Dannex said:

"Which is why we'd only maybe kill the Crossbowman, so the Bait have to decide what to risk, risk giving one of us the CB and that person surviving or risk giving it to themselves and getting voted out. Let the IKYK abound!"

Sure why not. My Secret is this: I was told that other people will be using code phrases throughout this game, if they use it enough without people noticing they get a fancy cosmetic role at the end. I was told that I get a fancy cosmetic role at the end if I figure out what other people's codes are. AFAIK this is all purely cosmetic, nothing to actually do with the game.

Very well then.

Thank you. There are 3 secrets though. Assuming the code phrases thing is one, then there's still one more. TELL ME YOUR SECRETS.

2 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Ohh... That's probably why white text is banned.

But I'll use it anyway.

What about really light grey?

---

Surprisingly, one of the secretive ones actually did share all with you. Holding a sword to the throat is surprisingly effective. Perhaps you'll make that one a general in your Empire.

[Quintessential she/her]

5 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I name you....

Elim. 

"Hmmmm... Jillian Glade, Elim of the Dragon Hunt. It has a nice ring to it. But what does it mean? Also, I think I'll also join the plan of just voting for who I trust."

[Random Bystander she/her]

Hello! Would you like to destroy do some Evil RPing today? Anyone?

The random bystander sat on a stool, playing her instrument. "Hello friends! Would you like to learn about far off worlds, creatures larger and more dangerous than dragons, and rocks that grow like plants?" She played the instrument with skilled fingers. "Or would you like to learn about magic that allows people to run up walls, change the shape of stone, or grow trees in seconds?" Her music grew faster and faster until it came to an abrupt end. "Come ask, if you are interested."

[Shard of Reading he/him]

"I'm sticking to voting for someone else. But I will make sure I trust them."
"Hello! I'm the other voice in your head!"

"Am I going insane?"

"Yes you are!"
"Wonderful. Also, you're just me talking in another voice. How do I know I'm not just doing this for laughs?"

"You don't! Hey lookie! It's a dragon flying above! Maybe it's a friendly dragon!"
"Why would it be friendly. Dragons want to eat people."

"You don't know that about this dragon! Maybe it's nice!"

"How would you know?"
"I know! Let's vote someone to go out and check!"

"Yeah, you're right we can't just worry about the Crossbow."

Who to vote for? I've decided what I want to do for the Crossbow, but I now need to figure out who I don't trust. Fortunately this thread is short.

[|TJ| he/him]

3 minutes ago, Gears said:

I literally said not to do this as I proposed it. It was operating under the assumption that all of our attempts to get a village Arbalist fail and that we cannot trust the Arbalist at all. It's a very fatalistic proposal and I was basically thinking out loud. Did you not look at my other proposals? What do you think about those? Why do you hyperfixate on the one proposal I say not to do? 

Okay I didn't mention the other two because, the first is not an alignment indicative on your part and the second is basically covered by Illwei, which I forgot to mention I agree with.

1 hour ago, Gears said:

Alternate proposal: Everyone vote for yourself. We then X anyone who doesn't have a vote on them in the end tally. This only works if everyone agrees, so keep this plan in reserve until we all agree unanimously. @Archer, what happens if the Arbalist gets X-ed D1? EX: Everyone votes for Illwei like an idiot, Illwei also gets X-ed, do we just lose the Arbalist? Alternate alternate proposal: Pick a person who has died C1 recently or has been frequently NK-ed. Give them the Crossbow so they won't keep getting NK-ed. [Yes, I realise that this is basically asking to give it to Books or Ruby, but I do solemnly swear that I don't actually want to give it to them. In fact, I'd prefer to have it myself because I die a lot, but alas, asking to have the item of immortality is basically asking to not have the item of immortality] Very alternate proposal: We kill the Arbalist. X whoever now [since no vote minimum], X the Arbalist next time, a NK, and then it's 6-3. We'd have to get an elim 3/4 cycles, but that's fine. This is a terrible idea. Don't do this idea.

First alternate proposal: If we force the elims, the elims will go along with it, leaving the crossbow received to chance, which I personally do not like. You may ore may not, which is NAI for you. 

Second: As Illwei said, I don't like how you've emphasize you die a lot, and the "vote for me" thing was uncomfortable to me.

There was no vote discussion going on, and you are my biggest suspicion

[Quintessential she/her]

4 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Second: As Illwei said, I don't like how you've emphasize you die a lot, and the "vote for me" thing was uncomfortable to me.

"Hey, that's not a bad point... I mean, if you 'die a lot,' then how are you even here? Gears"

Edit:

Ashbringer

Edited March 1, 2021 by Quintessential

[Flyingbooks]

9 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Second: As Illwei said, I don't like how you've emphasize you die a lot, and the "vote for me" thing was uncomfortable to me.

"I agree. The Random Bystander is free to go, but Gears is looking suspicious. I'm going to be quiet for a while now, the butterflies are being especially malicious today."

(OOC: I want to have exactly 314 posts on pi day and I'm getting pretty close to that number, so I'm going to try to post less and condense more things that I want to say into one post)

[Mat he/him]

...Okay, so I'm actually gonna take Illwei up on Quinn.

I don't super super love TJ's vote; Gears' post made it clear- to me, at least- that the alternate plan was not to be used, but TJ's follow-up post betters this somewhat. Quinn, though, I don't like the hop onto Gears. Feels like a very weak vote to me. (I also don't like how much Quinn hopped plans, feels like an elim trying to please the masses) 

Village reads are (in no order and minimal strength) Illwei, Reading, Gears.

Edit: Ninja'd by Books. Uhghghghghghghhhgh maybe I'll switch there but I'll wait. Don't like the jump on Gears. The die early thing was kinda weird but that wasn't the original point of the train :P.

Edited March 1, 2021 by Matrim's Dice

[Quintessential she/her]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I don't super super love TJ's vote; Gears' post made it clear- to me, at least- that the alternate plan was not to be used, but TJ's follow-up post betters this somewhat. Quinn, though, I don't like the hop onto Gears. Feels like a very weak vote to me. (I also don't like how much Quinn hopped plans, feels like an elim trying to please the masses) 

"I resent this accusation! I'm just trying to do my best for our hunting group. Also, what do you mean 'how much I hopped plans?' At the start I decided I wanted to vote for myself, then a plan occurred to me that I thought would work better, and then someone else poked a hole in that plan that I hadn't seen. It was only logical that I reconsider after that. Not to do so would have been bad for us hunters!"

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Quintessential said:

At the start I decided I wanted to vote for myself, then a plan occurred to me that I thought would work better, and then someone else poked a hole in that plan that I hadn't seen. It was only logical that I reconsider after that. Not to do so would have been bad for us hunters!"

Eh, fair. I feel like there was more than just those two, though... I'll go back and check. It was more your vote than that, though.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Eh, fair. I feel like there was more than just those two, though... I'll go back and check. It was more your vote than that, though.

"Well you have to agree that someone who is clearly alive claiming to die often is somewhat strange. Right? I mean, unless you think Seba is a ghost, or some kind of undead? Besides, if you're worried about so many people voting at once, shouldn't you be more worried about the third voter than the second?"

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Village reads are (in no order and minimal strength) Illwei, Reading, Gears.

You forgot me! Or maybe you're just waiting for you total and complete trusts to me on the list. 

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Quintessential said:

"Well you have to agree that someone who is clearly alive claiming to die often is somewhat strange. Right? I mean, unless you think Seba is a ghost, or some kind of undead? Besides, if you're worried about so many people voting at once, shouldn't you be more worried about the third voter than the second?"

No, I don't have to agree :P. I think it was a misremembrance.

What did I say about voting Gears D1 every single game for something NAI? -_-.

I was ninja'd by Books. I'm waiting since I already cast my vote, but you're right that I don't like their vote either.

TUO, that was your first post and you know it :P.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

What did I say about voting Gears D1 every single game for something NAI? -_-.

"On the one hand, I suppose you have a point. Gears. On the other hand, I can't imagine you won't find it suspicious that I'm now retracting my vote after you've expressed suspicion of it. I really can't win here, you know."

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Quintessential said:

"On the one hand, I suppose you have a point. Gears. On the other hand, I can't imagine you won't find it suspicious that I'm now retracting my vote after you've expressed suspicion of it. I really can't win here, you know."

Nice IKYK you created there :P.

I mean, you're not wrong, but you're not right either. You're the one who just pointed out how you saw someone's correction on the crossbow voting and changed your mind; how is this much different?

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

I mean, you're not wrong, but you're not right either. You're the one who just pointed out how you saw someone's correction on the crossbow voting and changed your mind; how is this much different?

"I suppose it isn't. But I still think you would have been more suspicious of me had I not pointed out that that's the natural reaction. And now you're just confused, which is probably not a good thing either, unless you're dragon bait. Are you? I hope you are, otherwise I'm hurting our chances of success..."

[|TJ| he/him]

18 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Gears' post made it clear- to me, at least- that the alternate plan was not to be used

Why mention it in the first place then? Thinking aloud is fine, but he said "it is only used to if we cannot trust the crossbow person"  but in the plan it said to eliminate the crossbow person in the very next cycle. where is the time to trust the crossbow person then? the whole "do not use it", "use it only if we cannot trust crossbow person" "kill then C2" is contradictory.

18 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

The die early thing was kinda weird but that wasn't the original point of the train :P.

I mean, it was kinda the point? Train of thought went from Pick someone who dies early recently -> I die a lot early -> Gimme Bow -> Pew Pew

Edited March 1, 2021 by TJ Shade

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

"I suppose it isn't. But I still think you would have been more suspicious of me had I not pointed out that that's the natural reaction. And now you're just confused, which is probably not a good thing either, unless you're dragon bait. Are you? I hope you are, otherwise I'm hurting our chances of success..."

My reaction to reading this circle of thought:  

Y'know I'm just gonna forget this conversation :P. It's going nowhere and I don't even know where it's been.

And no, I'm not Dragon Bait  I couldn't hear the formatting, remember?

5 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Why mention it in the first place then? Thinking aloud is fine, but he said "it is only used to if we cannot trust the crossbow person"  but in the plan it said to eliminate the crossbow person in the very next cycle. where is the time to trust the crossbow person then? the whole "do not use it", "use it only if we cannot trust crossbow person" "kill then C2" is contradictory.

I mean, we have this cycle to determine if we trust the crossbow person, too. We just won't know who it is until tomorrow.

[Archer he/him]

Hi, just popping in to say that if you elect a Crossbowman and exe them today, they die and the role is lost. You may also exe them at any time. @Gears

[Illwei]

would do an ISO if I cared enough RN. Maybe I do care enough. :P.

Someone tell me why I take QFs more seriously than other games? smh.

Okay so i got a little carried away with quotes inside quotes but just deal with it oki? :P.

uhhhhh purple comments are mine.

Spoiler

First thing she does is claim to be voting for herself, and then vote ashbringer. I think that her voting ash/talking about killing ash can be justified as an Elim tell for her rn.

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

"Well, I'm going to vote for myself to hold the crossbow! Why would I trust it with anyone else? and, Ashbringer, you're awfully quiet over there. You wouldn't happen to be dragon bait, would you?"

Post 2 -... others. Did I mention I got a tad...carried away? :P.

Spoiler

First interaction with me

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

4 hours ago, Illwei said:

Reading also said it so all of you move from locktown to eh

still i think i said it the best but I can draw up a few graphs if that makes you guys feel better about voting for me

"The problem with this is that if Illwei is dragonbait and we all vote for her, she can then get away easily with obtaining the crossbow, "accidentally" shooting one of us, and keeping all of us loyal hunters from protecting ourselves! Also, if we give her the crossbow and she's bait, how are we supposed to hunt the dragons while she lures them in? Think logically!"

Immediate shade on me, trying to get the village to keep away from actually voting on people by spreading paranoia

Yeah really not liking quinn here yall should trust me on this

Go ahead and get after me and blame it on her new playstyle but I'm not going off of that.

She opens with saying that we can't trust anyone, and she's voting on herself, and then follows up with saying that no one should vote on me because "i might be an Elim" but like there's nothing there

"You appear to be missing my point; it applies not just to you, but to anyone we agree on publicly. We can catch the bait if they try to elect one of their own without us knowing, but what if they just convince all of us to vote for one of them? That seems like something those nerds would think of!"

"Anyone we agree upon publicly" Well, it applies to people agreed upon no matter what. Still, more shade on me, indirectly, trying to push it aside.

 

Quinn-Illwei interaction 2:

Spoiler

 

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

Also Im still voting for TJ so if yall all agree to not vote to try and RNG it then 1) the Elims will still get it and blame it on RNG or 2) TJ will get it and tbh I'm not trusting TJ all that much rn

"Okay fine. How about this: Everyone agrees to vote for someone other than themself. Everyone also agrees to reveal who they voted for after the crossbow has been distributed. That way, we probably won't end up having to roll a die to decide, and we discover liars more easily. And there's no chance that the bait will try to mess with our plan because there is no plan!"

1. that definitely is a plan, :P.
2. Quinn is avoiding having the thread come together and figure out who gets the bow. And I think it's a more important thing than just voting whoever who isn't yourself. and when you do that, maybe the Elims won't get it, but they will still have more coordination in who gets it.

no

"Why not? What's wrong with that idea?"

uh I quoted it from my post because I'm lazy but ignore that

because the elims have three votes. and if village doesn't coordinate 4 votes then Elims get the bow.

Reading not elims with quinn more likely because he's the first to approve of the plan

"Not true! Because of the first part. We all agree not to vote on ourselves. So the bait only has two votes, because if they want to win the crossbow then they have to avoid having unexplained votes that would make the person holding the crossbow look suspicious. Two of them can vote on the third, but since all of us loyal hunters will be using our best judgement about who we trust to hold the crossbow, and I would guess there will be someone that more than two people trust, it's only a slight advantage for the bait."

Again, not just the "we're not voting on ourselves" part. it's the whole "not discussing in thread" part. The less discussion about where the thing goes the more advantage the Elims have.

 

 

oop

Spoiler

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

and what if an Elim is being read as village in thread

and what if someone wants to vote on themselves just because

that's not something I'd be comfortable killing over.

"If one of the bait is trusted, then your plan fails too. You realize that, right? And why would any loyal hunter be selfish and vote for themselves when the greater good of our hunting party is at stake? Such treachery should not be tolerated!"

Sudden 180 of thoughts.

 

 

Spoiler

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

smh that's why yall just vote for me smh :P.

"I have no reason to trust you yet. So I'll pass, thanks."

Who ya votin' for then, Quinn? Oh, right. You don't want to tell us. No in-thread coordination. right.

 

uh

Spoiler

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

3 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

?

Both of the things I quoted were posted by Quinn :P.

"I know. I decided to vote for myself, and then realized there was a better plan that involved not voting for myself. So to be clear, I will be voting for someone other than myself."

back to the whole 'not telling the thread' thing pog

 

mmmm

Spoiler

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

"Here, on this piece of paper I've written Vote for someone other than myself and announce it tomorrow. I love how we're voting on how we're voting. It's so... bureaucratic! I feel like a real, professional dragon hunger already!"

 

 

Spoiler

 

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, Gears said:

Now, while I have your attention, thoughts on my proposals?

"But... what if one of these unlucky people happens to be bait? I mean, it would make sense for bait to be unlucky, wouldn't it? Because then, the bait have the crossbow and we're reluctant to kill them!"

Slight shade of gears, and even more shade of the Arborist or whatever they're called.

Okay I'm getting lazy so here's the rest agh

Spoiler

 

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, Flyingbooks said:

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, Flyingbooks said:

Hop walks up to Jillian. "Ignore the butterflies, they just want to aggravate you. Sorry, but I have just one minor question. Did you see the writing on my piece of paper before the butterflies covered it?"

"Yes, I saw it. No worries, I have it marked down!"

"Just, if you see anyone who heard me and didn't see my slip of paper but still uses the precisely correct color, that's proof that they can hear formatting."

"Oh! I see! And then they would be dragon bait..."

mmMMmm

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

As it is, I will simply bold it. Vote for someone other than myself and announce it tomorrow! If someone has a better idea, I'll italicize it and bold the new one."

"For future reference, the formatting suggestion was to put votes in purple and retractions in orange. Currently, there are three votes for 'Vote for someone other than myself and announce it tomorrow' and no votes for any other plan."

2 hours ago, Dannex said:

Hmmm. Okay I'm not sure what to do."

"Please look over the plans that have been proposed by Illwei, Seba, and myself--and anyone else, if I'm forgetting someone who proposed a plan--and then vote for a plan by bolding it and putting it in purple. Retractions should be bolded and in orange."

mmmMM

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

I'm not with Quinn's plan because elims might decide to frame someone, and if by chance villagers collectively vote in 3s for a player they'd be in suspicion, it creates a lot of IKYK confusion in general.

"How would the grammar police frame someone? In order to do that they'd have to... oh. They would just have to all vote for someone else and then one of them claim to vote for a different person. ah. I see. Hmmmm."

mmMMmmmmmmmmm

2 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

Elim. 

"Hmmmm... Jillian Glade, Elim of the Dragon Hunt. It has a nice ring to it. But what does it mean? Also, I think I'll also join the plan of just voting for who I trust."

"join the plan of..." like ?????? that shoulda been the plan from the beginning lmao what was your plan, randomly vote? :P. Which is bringing me back to my point of trying to stop Thread communication

1 hour ago, Quintessential said:

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

Second: As Illwei said, I don't like how you've emphasize you die a lot, and the "vote for me" thing was uncomfortable to me.

"Hey, that's not a bad point... I mean, if you 'die a lot,' then how are you even here? Gears"

Edit:

Ashbringer

this is just a "what" ? vote because she retracts Ash before he even really says anything and then votes gears for...no reasoning at all. Which...isn't quinn?

I generally don't like the train on Gears because everyone talks about him dying a lot, even though he doesn't, and I also talk about myself dying a lot, though If i- well I'mma go look at my past couple game rq

MR48 - C3
LG73 - C3
AG7 - Survived
QF50 - C6
QF49 - C3
LG72 - C2
MR46 - C1
QF48 - C3
LG71 - C5

went back to LG71 bc that's what I did with Gears, so there's a C6 in there, but you could argue that I don't really die early a lot as well

*glances at list*

...but please don't. Please give me the crossbow ;-;

and I've kinda lost my train of thought but yeah I don't like quinn so much now I'm going to take a step back and look at other things but yeah. Not wanting to give the bow to Quinn.

EDIT:

2 hours ago, Gears said:

Sidenote: I'm almost certain that this plan will fail, and I say we all vote for ourselves and kill anyone who doesn't [demarcated by a person without a vote on them]. 

no

1 hour ago, Flyingbooks said:

"I agree. The Random Bystander is free to go, but Gears is looking suspicious. I'm going to be quiet for a while now, the butterflies are being especially malicious today."

this feels exactly like Elim!Books, ngl.

mat talk to me what are your suspicions rn?

Edited March 1, 2021 by Illwei

[Mat he/him]

19 minutes ago, Illwei said:

mat talk to me what are your suspicions rn?

Well, Quinn- you summed up pretty well what I was thinking (though it also could be the rp style throwing me off, not really sure) and then her vote

Books, to a certain extent, for their vote

TJ, to an even smaller extent, because of his vote-

and all of these go out the window if Gears is actually evil. Which I don't think he is, so my suspicions stay.

[Illwei]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Well, Quinn- you summed up pretty well what I was thinking (though it also could be the rp style throwing me off, not really sure) and then her vote

Books, to a certain extent, for their vote

TJ, to an even smaller extent, because of his vote-

and all of these go out the window if Gears is actually evil. Which I don't think he is, so my suspicions stay.

okay so I'm having a lovely mindmeld moment with you rn but ofc I'm a bit worried by it how can i not be but no

Mat locktown

now gimme the bow :P.

[Ashbringer he/him]

"Well, that seems to be a lot, doesn't it?"

"I suppose so. What do you think we should do with the Crossbow?"

"Probably demand we have it ourselves."

"That will not go over well."

"Oh, like you wouldn't want it to just sit on it and ensure your immortality from vengeful bait."

"... fair."

"Well, that's an impasse. I would be unopposed to having the crossbow for my... research, but to be truly pragmatic we need another target."

"The crew seems to discuss simply voting it goes to a trust or a secret player who's not a self. So that's likely the best option."

"Okay... what about this secret things? People have... codes? Passphrases? For cosmetic things?"

"Cosmetics are always fun. Just look at every game with cosmetics like ever."

"So people are trying to say secret phrases? I don't have a secret phrase... did you get a secret phrase?"

"... maybe ."

"... did you just use an emoji in dialogue."

"It's not like that's the strangest thing that anyone's been doing here. Books is constantly talking about butterflies, and there's, what, two more secrets out there?"

"I'm telling Connie you used an emoji in dialogue."

"You're trying to meta this too much."

"Says you."

"Candy corn."

"Huh?"

"Misdirection."

"What are you-"

"I am a stick."

"Okay I'm done here."

[Quintessential she/her]

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

First thing she does is claim to be voting for herself, and then vote ashbringer. I think that her voting ash/talking about killing ash can be justified as an Elim tell for her rn.

"I just glanced at the roster of hunter names and picked a random one. I have no idea why this suggests I'm dragonbait."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

Immediate shade on me, trying to get the village to keep away from actually voting on people by spreading paranoia

 

"I'm sorry I didn't make this clear, but this wasn't meant to be shade on you specifically. It was meant to point out that just because a person manages to convince others to choose them as the bearer of the crossbow doesn't mean that person is trustworthy, or that agreeing publicly on one person is a good idea. That's because the bait can work together to try to set up one of their own as the person we should all vote for. Basically, in any public debate they have an advantage over the rest of us. Also, your own comment sounds rather paranoid to me..."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

"Anyone we agree upon publicly" Well, it applies to people agreed upon no matter what. Still, more shade on me, indirectly, trying to push it aside.

 

"As I said before, if we agree on things publicly then the bait has a chance to present a more unified front. If we let each person decide for themself, then the bait can't take advantage of crowd mentality, of being swayed to vote for one person because other people are doing it."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

2. Quinn is avoiding having the thread come together and figure out who gets the bow. And I think it's a more important thing than just voting whoever who isn't yourself. and when you do that, maybe the Elims won't get it, but they will still have more coordination in who gets it.

 

"The bait have more coordination than us no matter what we do, because no loyal hunter can totally trust anyone else, whereas the bait know who they can and can't trust. As I've said, coordinating in thread would be a bad idea because it allows them to use their coordination subtly to advocate for the selection of a specific person. Also, what if they decide to just kill the person who would receive the Bow? @Archer you were the one who proposed the voting plan originally, right? Is it possible that the bait could manage to kill the person we choose before we can give them the crossbow for their own protection?"

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Again, not just the "we're not voting on ourselves" part. it's the whole "not discussing in thread" part. The less discussion about where the thing goes the more advantage the Elims have.

"The bait can join in the discussion too, and sway it. I think that instead of focusing so much on who gets or does not get the crossbow, except as an individual choice, we should discuss who we're going to use as dragon bait tomorrow. That discussion should reveal who's most trustworthy, and allow us each to make an informed decision."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

Sudden 180 of thoughts.

 

"When I originally decided I'd vote for myself, I didn't see another alternative. Then I thought of a plan that I thought would work better, and changed my mind. Now that TJ has pointed out the flaw in that plan, I may go back to voting for myself, or I may choose to vote for someone else I trust."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

4 hours ago, Quintessential said:

Who ya votin' for then, Quinn? Oh, right. You don't want to tell us. No in-thread coordination. right.

 

"No, of course I don't want to tell you. Certainly not when you keep misinterpreting, exaggerating, and misrepresenting my arguments like this."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Spoiler

3 hours ago, Quintessential said:

Slight shade of gears, and even more shade of the Arborist or whatever they're called.

 

"Yes, I do think Seba's words, plans, and behavior are odd. They're definitely not someone I'd vote for. And please stop misinterpreting what I'm saying! It's almost like you're doing it on purpose. I wasn't throwing shade on the crossbow bearer, I was saying that choosing someone for a reason that doesn't have to do with dragon hunting or the discussions around dragon hunting is a bad idea, because then we're leaving it up to chance whether we choose a loyal hunter or dragon bait. At that point we might as well just roll a 12-sided die to determine who gets it!"

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

"join the plan of..." like ?????? that shoulda been the plan from the beginning lmao what was your plan, randomly vote? :P. Which is bringing me back to my point of trying to stop Thread communication

"I'm not sure why you're saying that this should have been the plan from the beginning, since it's not the plan that you've advocated from the beginning."

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

this is just a "what" ? vote because she retracts Ash before he even really says anything and then votes gears for...no reasoning at all. Which...isn't quinn?

"I think Seba is being quite strange. Perhaps that's normal for them, but it still seems odd to me. The vote on Faleast/AraRaash was random, so I had no reason not to drop it. As a sidenote, why do we have two people registered as the same person on the roster?"

39 minutes ago, Illwei said:

and I've kinda lost my train of thought but yeah I don't like quinn so much now I'm going to take a step back and look at other things but yeah. Not wanting to give the bow to Quinn.

"I never asked you to give the bow to me, though obviously I think it would be a good thing if it did go to me since I'm the only one here that I know I can trust. But this my first hunt, and I'm sure there are other hunters far more qualified to carry it than me, so I wasn't about to suggest that plan. I notice that you, Illwei, have had no such qualms."

18 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Well, Quinn- you summed up pretty well what I was thinking (though it also could be the rp style throwing me off, not really sure) and then her vote

"Do you have something against how I'm talking? I don't think I'm talking any differently than normal..."

17 minutes ago, Illwei said:

now gimme the bow :P.

"I don't think that's a good idea, but it's not just up to me so if the others decide they trust you then who am I to say otherwise?"

Edited March 1, 2021 by Quintessential

[Illwei]

24 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

"As I said before, if we agree on things publicly then the bait has a chance to present a more unified front. If we let each person decide for themself, then the bait can't take advantage of crowd mentality, of being swayed to vote for one person because other people are doing it."

The more unified the front, the more obvious. they wouldn't present a unified front unless they were sure they would win, and I don't see that. Yeah if they get the bow then that's good for them, but only if they made sure to distance a lot from the bow holder.

25 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

I may go back to voting for myself

no

25 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

"No, of course I don't want to tell you. Certainly not when you keep misinterpreting, exaggerating, and misrepresenting my arguments like this."

I'm not misrepresenting your arguments. You're saying you don't want to tell the thread. That's directly harmful towards getting the village to recieve the bow. There is no good argument against what I'm saying.

35 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

I notice that you, Illwei, have had no such qualms

Qualms with what? Me being the one to recieve the bow? Of course I want the bow, I both trust me and think I'm qualified :P.

Qualms with giving it away? Yeah, I do. I want to make sure that we at least control where it goes, if I can't get it myself.

And Quinn 2 things

1) You are shading me so much in this my man. You say you don't trust me enough, you attack me for misinterpreting you/intentionally

2) you don't vote on me. you're on Gears rn, for basically a joke. You attack me here and then don't vote me. idk. make sense to someone else?