Long Game 74: You Want It Darker

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

1 minute ago, Biplet said:

I mean, is it such a bad thing to agree with others' reasoning, especially if you've been quietly suspicious of the person up for exe for a while?

I lied about going to sleep

My problem is people adding on votes like that without stating what they agree with other people on. Very few of the votes on Maill or Illwei, even mine or Quinn’s, really point to anything specifically suspicious. This is a problem, especially on D3 when we should have more to go on, and it’s why the Ash wagon feels the most correct to me: even though Stick followed TJ, she actually pointed out what she agreed with and added her own reasoning. That’s how votes and arguments should develop, but with Maill there’s this artificial impression that everyone else has reasons to be suspicious of him when there’s been not much actually said against him other than Quinn’s interactions analysis, which is predicated heavily on assumptions she’s bringing into the equation, and Illwei’s tunnelling argument, which she took back after Maill’s response. The wagon on Quinn feels similar; I assume people are agreeing with Araris, but they aren’t saying so and I don’t understand where the support and the suspicion is coming from. Maybe this is just a case of everyone being lost, but with several people bothering to provide original and reasonably detailed arguments (TJ, Illwei before she backed off, Stick, Quinn, Araris), I don’t think that’s the case. 

[Biplet she/her]

34 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

My problem is people adding on votes like that without stating what they agree with other people on. Very few of the votes on Maill or Illwei, even mine or Quinn’s, really point to anything specifically suspicious

Well I did my best to phrase mine well . I think Maill being exed would be good info, and I don’t think Ash is as suspicious as a lot of people seem to think. And I mean, your reasoning for voting for Ash seems to be “other people have good reasoning” too hehe.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

@Quintessential @Biplet @Matrim's Dice @The Windrunner Supreme @Tani

I really am not seeing reasoning for my vote here... 

Quinn says “my openness and that one PM”. 

Mat says he agrees with Quinn (even though he wasn’t around for those conversations..?) 

Tani says I’m scary and she follows Quinn

Windrunner says other people suspect me

Biplet says they can gain info and she agrees with some of the above. 

So looks like there’s no real reasons here... Any of you feel inclined to change your minds in the next 7.5 hours?  

[Ashbringer he/him]

Well, now I’m both conflicted on whether or not to self-pres and the fact my two main suspicions are voting on me 

Here’s my stance on self-preservation. The main goal of the Villager (or Elim) is to have fun. I, like most people, have the most fun in the game when I’m alive. But, not always. (For more details, see my memoir, The AG Shardicide: or, “Kasimir, I Already Wrote My Death RP And By The Gods Beyond I’m Going To Use It”). But that’s not the main point, because while I would love to see a game where everyone dropped their wincon to live in peace and harmony... that would be incredibly boring 

The other main goal of the Villager (or Elim) is to win. Generally, winning is also greatly aided by being alive. But, not always. My first game I lost while alive because I never met my wincon. And you can still win while dead, which I do... actually not that frequently but that’s besides the point.

As a Villager, your goal is to execute Eliminators, but it’s also not quite that simple. Your goal as a Villager is to increase the chance of finding and killing all the Eliminators. And as of D2, I had done essentially nothing in that hunt. For good reason - holes drilled in my jaw and all - but still, I was not a very helpful Villager. Striker, on the other hand, was present and active and hunting for suspicions. And I read him as village, and said as much in my summary-post. He seemed genuine even in his mistakes. And so on. Even if 

Now, let’s assume that Village!Ash was 100% confident that Striker was Village and was, in this non-knowledgeable example, I was correct. Striker was Village, I was Village, and it was him or me. Who is better for the Village to lose? The player who, whether purposefully or not, has accomplished nothing in five days? Or the player actively pushing discussion, searching for answers and roles, and being more overall out there?

I would say I should be the one to die in this scenario. My loss, while a loss, is less than what we would have lost from an active-er player.

But what if I was wrong, and Striker was a dastardly Eliminator? Well, here Village!Ash had so profoundly pocketed himself that I would say my loss wouldn’t have damaged the Village that much either 

(I’m not one to self vote, because we don’t live in a vacuum and I can hope to build a new vote train on someone I suspect.)

Now if I was an Eliminator, I would know what my teammates were doing. I hope I’ve sufficiently countered that or revealed who they may be (evidently not enough for two of those prospective teammates not to “bus” me ), but anyway: would I self-pres there? I’ve done it both ways. LG7...1, the space one, my teammates and I just kind of decided to let me die/bus me even with only a few suspicions, because it gave strong village reads to two of my teammates (and let me RP blowing a hole in the ship). We went on to win with me as the only dead Eliminator. Other times I insist that I am Village and will self-pres at all costs. There are certain times when Elim!me will decide to do that or not, but for the sake of my playstyle I’ll keep them to myself 

So to end it off, Village!Ash will vote in self-preservation if I think my survival is worth more for my wincon than the survival of the other exe target, in that moment. Elim!Ash will do the same, with the caveat that Elim!Ash is both Elim and a strange individual. I have a lot of fun with death RP’s. Bananas.

 

On to Part 2:

1 hour ago, Fifth Scholar said:

So. Collective reasoning on the leading shrekkings: 

Illwei: none, flip will give info, unclear reasons, pressure from D1/2 evaporated, don’t want to vote Maill

Maill: none, suspicion he’s tunnelling and can’t back off without looking more suspicious, “seems bad,” none, PoE based on assumptions (analysis heavy but I don’t necessarily agree with it), self preservation, gut, agreement with previous reasons

Quinn: thinks she might have been manipulating Tani or pulling strings, none, bad PM vibes

Ash: suspicion of TUO vote from last cycle, uncertainty on other shrekkings available, didn’t vote in self-pres when he could/should have

...

Based on the above it’s hopefully clear why I don’t really like any of the leading options here. I am going Illwei Ash because it is the shrekking choice that actually has people on it who seemed to have arrived at conclusions in a manner other than sheeping, convenience, or no apparent methodology at all, and because the Maill wagon seems like a carnival of distraction which the Elims can only be gleefully happy about getting pushed forward with so little concrete evidence (a lot of “none,” “gut” and “what everyone else said” is present on that wagon). I don’t get the Quinn votes either. Illwei I’m happy to make a more thorough case against but this late in the day I doubt she’s getting shrekked. 

it’s 12:35 am, so goodnight  

EDIT: forgot to mention TJ and Stick are two of my strongest village reads, another reason I felt good about the Ash wagon, so yeah. Not sure what to make of Quinn, as I liked neither her analysis nor the points later raised against her  

... I hope by now you’re asleep, but hopefully you’ll have time in the morning to respond to this 

For one thing, I think I addressed the main points on self-pres... at length. Whether you agree or not is one thing, but if you’re basing your reasoning on @TJ Shade and @_Stick_ being trustworthy and having good reasons, is it too much to ask to wait and see how they respond to what I’ve said? (Also, please respond you two... I would appreciate.)

And I don’t think there’s any other points of suspicion besides my TUO vote and “Ash isn’t Mailliw/Quinn”... and there’s a lot of people here who aren’t Mailliw/Quinn. So while it may be a reason, it’s really just... one reason.

Number two, this is the second (or third) time you’ve joined a vote train, in addition to Bip’s point that your main reason is “these people have good reasons” (or perhaps “what everyone else said”? ), but you’ve reasoned mainly out of dislike for the other trains and their reasons. (Last time the train you didn’t like mine, but, whatever.). So my charge, if I die here or no, is this: post your reads list tomorrow. So far you’ve mainly just been jumping on other people’s trains for other people’s reasoning, or stating agreement / disagreement of other people’s reasoning. I want to see what you can come up with on your own.

 

As of now this exe is much closer than the last two, and even with (or especially with) a Village Rioter down this is much more vulnerable to being decided with vote manipulation. I don’t trust Maill or Quinn nearly as much as I trusted Striker, but to be honest I don’t really suspect either of them and me flipping would do the village some good. So... no vote right now. I suppose I could vote TUO again... maybe later. Petulence is an art form.

Also, the main reason I semi-suspected Stick is this: they called out my TUO vote today after TJ voted on me for it, but seemingly didn’t care about it on D2. She even had a vote count with my vote the same post she moved off of me and onto Striker, which changed the results of the exe about as much as my TUO vote did. So why call it out now?

Main suspects are TUO, Fifth, Stick. Trust... not really anyone. Tani and Illwei, to some degree, and Mailliw and Quinn in the “genuine” catagory.

[Stick. she/her]

I've uh realised something so Ash

32 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

my two main suspicions are voting on me 

 

33 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Main suspects are TUO, Fifth, Stick. Trust... not really anyone

Sooo is TJ a main suspicion or not?

7 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Essentially what Devo said here, any vote on Pyro wouldn't really have done anything to make me not die. It just exists as another place for people to go if they didn't want to execute Striker. That may include Elims, but that's a different reason than the point I was trying to prove.

... that being said, your (Stick's) vote switch didn't make much of a difference as to whether I would die either. That would make Fifth or Quinn my likely teammates, imo.

Then again, I'm not an Elim  and I found that switch odd for other reasons.

 

OKay maybe you've got a point there...

35 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Also, the main reason I semi-suspected Stick is this: they called out my TUO vote today after TJ voted on me for it, but seemingly didn’t care about it on D2. She even had a vote count with my vote the same post she moved off of me and onto Striker, which changed the results of the exe about as much as my TUO vote did. So why call it out now?

I didn't really notice how odd that was until TJ pointed it out. xD

Does anyone have a trustworthy vote count?

[Ashbringer he/him]

TJ... I don’t know. My initial “Derrick doesn’t like this guy” was a joke solely because of the kandra reference. To go a bit meta, I pegged him as Elim fairly quickly in the QF, which if he’s Village here would have been his first time being Elim in... the 9ish months he’s been playing . Here he seems much more himself. But the QF was a whole lot of aggro needed and it could be a cross-game long con, which is another meta topic I’d like to bring up sometime.

So for now I read him Village, but more for meta than for content. Depends what he says about what I said I guess.

Okay I need sleep now 

[Stick. she/her]

17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

TJ... I don’t know. My initial “Derrick doesn’t like this guy” was a joke solely because of the kandra reference. To go a bit meta, I pegged him as Elim fairly quickly in the QF, which if he’s Village here would have been his first time being Elim in... the 9ish months he’s been playing . Here he seems much more himself. But the QF was a whole lot of aggro needed and it could be a cross-game long con, which is another meta topic I’d like to bring up sometime.

Yeah I got the initial 'derrick doesnt like this guy' bit but I just got confused when you called them a main suspicion here again - thanks for the clarification  

k im having lots of clown moments rn so ill likely abstain from voting unless something wild happens idk

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

6 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Also... this is a dumb question, but why is the Mistborn always considered the super role? I would think a Coinshot or Seeker is more important, because they can be a whole lot more consistent.

So to end it off, Village!Ash will vote in self-preservation if I think my survival is worth more for my wincon than the survival of the other exe target, in that moment. Elim!Ash will do the same, with the caveat that Elim!Ash is both Elim and a strange individual.

One Coinshot or Seek is better than none.

There's also not really a good reason to self-pres so early in the cycle. Your vote for Quinn happened ~19 hours before rollover and the exe on Striker was cemented ~12 hours before rollover, plenty of time for you to vote for people you found suspicious instead of jumping right to must survive at any costs mode.

6 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Maill, who I think is good for reasons I will explain later but mostly for identifying Illwei as an excellent candidate for an active Eliminator early on.

Not sure how this makes Maill good unless Illwei is evil. A village Illwei wouldn't suggest that Maill was a villager for identifying her as a potential highly active elim.

It's tempting to just go tearing through the PM group looking for an elim, even though it's not necessarily the case that we'll find one there. I do think it's necessary to resolve at least one of the six including this group of four + Illwei and Matrim. Right now Tani seems too regretful/paranoid of the people she previously trusted to have been an elim ploy. I really should know more about Stick. Going for the v!Illwei->v!Maill progression would be helpful for e!Stick even if it got her exed D5 so I do think it's encouraging she backed off that. E/E Stick/Illwei or Stick/Maill seems like a lot, though the latter is less likely I think. Those two elims in that PM should have been able to keep the kill away from Maill and e!Stick shouldn't want to draw a clear line from v!Illwei to teammate Maill even to retract. If Illwei and someone else in this PM were both evil their teammate likely would have tried to redirect the kill to someone else. Anyone involved, was their any initial dissent on this subject? Matrim is less likely to be evil if Maill is and more likely if Illwei is evil based on the kills he suggested.

All that isn't super relevant at the moment since it looks like the main things that could happen within this group are Maill or Quinn. A close vote this late in the cycle is intriguing. I'd like to make it closer and see who tries to intervene to save either of them. I also don't want to be on for rollover. Let's see. Either Maill or Quinn flipping village doesn't tell us a lot; not enough to immediately go kill the other one. Either of them flipping elim does reduce the chance that anyone else in this group is evil. I'm not a fan of the way that the votes on Quinn have gotten there. Araris wants to vote for a group member but didn't want to vote for someone who already had votes. Elandera doesn't give a reason, Stink doesn't like that Quinn has PMs with so many other people but didn't have a significant conversation with him. Meanwhile, everyone in the PM group except for Stick has turned on Maill, with Illwei not thinking that any of the people who contemplated killing them are suspicious enough to exe this turn. Of the other two people, leaning village on Biplet, nothing on TWS. Overall if Maill is evil that's it, much less reason to look at the other PM people. If Maill is village it's a bad situation, since there would be a bunch of people who could be evil that we can't afford to exe through until we found either an elim or a solid group of villagers. Elim Quinn is also largely final, village Quinn it's probably worth it to check Maill lethally, so V!Maill->E!Quinn is less likely than V!Quinn->E!Maill.

I've lost comprehensibility including to myself by this point. More likely Maill evil, safer vote Quinn, can't afford to focus on Ash while all the discussion is on the PM group. Vote Quinn see how things work out in the last less than six hours I guess.

Illwei (1) - Burnt
Maill (5) - TWS, Matrim, Quinn, Tani, Biplet
Quinn (4) - Araris, Elan, STINK, Devotary
Ashbringer (2) - TJ Shade, Fifth
Dannex (1) - Illwei

 

[STINK he/him]

Now we wait for Americans to wake up huh

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

2 hours ago, STINK said:

Now we wait for Americans to wake up huh

That we do

 

Oh right also illwei

 

Thoughts on current votes. I'm annoyingly reading both maill and quinn as village. Side note, both of their nicknames end in a double letter huh. I have thoughts to think. I despise late cycle voting but this is the time of day I have for actually focusing and thinking so is like, rip.  Imma get back to yall

Edited March 7, 2021 by Burnt Spaghetti

[Stick. she/her]

inb4 vote manip ends it up in a tie

pls no

[Kasimir he/him]

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[|TJ| he/him]

@Ashbringer, first off I'm very much confused why you would make a post about who your elim teammates could be xD I also think I had the timeline of the things wrong because I initially thought you declined to vote in self preservation when both Pyro and Striker were up for grinch. If this is accurate Pyro was not up for grinch at all at the time:

19 hours ago, Quintessential said:

Striker (3): Matrim, Windrunner, Maill
Ash (4): Bard, Stick, Striker, Araris
Illwei (2): Tani, Quinn
Araris (2): Illwei, XP
Gears (1): TJ
TUO (1): Ash

But, I never really got why you did not shift your vote on Pyro (on whom you said you have a null read) to save Striker (on whom you had strong village), especially when you said:

15 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

I didn't want to vote Pyro because I had a nearly entirely null read on them, and never really got why people were voting for them besides being generally inactive.

Isn't 'generally inactive' the exact reason you voted for TUO? That vote on TUO....still seems odd. I'll actually look at the post since I was clocked out for a bit for D2/N2 cause of the QF :P.

Okay just remembering that Stick built a case against Ashbringer. If Ashbringer is village, this post almost looks constructed. 

5 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

5 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Also, the main reason I semi-suspected Stick is this: they called out my TUO vote today after TJ voted on me for it, but seemingly didn’t care about it on D2. She even had a vote count with my vote the same post she moved off of me and onto Striker, which changed the results of the exe about as much as my TUO vote did. So why call it out now?

I didn't really notice how odd that was until TJ pointed it out. xD

Also, a good point by Ash, because Stick did, in fact, ISO Ash, so I would believe she'd be keeping a close eye on him.

And after sorta reading Ash's posts from C2 and the above stuff... (Ash, why did you vote for Quinn in between?), I...feel better about him? Still suspicious for not voting Pyro (ie hiding in side trains) to save Striker and vote on TUO (is it just for the inactivity?). Stick should be looked at closely IF Ash flips vil.

And the "elims benefit by not self-pressing when they know they have teammates to help out" was general statement Ash, not a thing in your case. In your case, I was thinking more like - if one of the Fallion's Four is elim, they may have let you know that there'd be votes on Striker anyway and that you'd be safe. And I think Maill or Tani (I know I'm alone in this but meh, I think we shouldn't underestimate new players) might be the one so I thought building e/e train might be a good way to give info. 

Speaking of old stuff @Shard of Reading, you've gone radio silent after being a D1 grinch target. Thoughts on the proceedings?

And something else that caught my eye. @Araris Valerian, what are you thoughts on TWS? Cause for me they seem awfully similar to the elim game they played in LG71, and you were elim along with them in it.

Keeping my vote here as of now to see any involvement of vote manipulation *checks spreadsheet* we had 3 removed votes in D1, and Experience was not on either trains so we know it wasn't due to his vote self-cancelling + Rioting Smoked.

Edit: 

19 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

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Pffft, like you could do anything to stop Wyrm from posting anyway

Edited March 7, 2021 by TJ Shade

[Stick. she/her]

1 minute ago, TJ Shade said:

Okay just remembering that Stick built a case against Ashbringer. If Ashbringer is village, this post almost looks constructed.

I mean...it is...constructed  I don't know Ash's alignment so I tried to piece together what I could - obviously the post is not an absolute truth or anything  Just speculation 

 

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

@Ashbringer without responding to everything you said because I don’t have time, you’re correct that my vote on you is unfair if I apply my own standards to myself. As such, Ash. (Though I would note that I provided a fairly detailed reads list back in C2.) I also apologise for possibly insulting anyone’s vote or implying it was low-effort—my own vote wasn’t particularly thought through. 1 AM Fifth should be neither awake nor posting things.  

With all that said, I still dislike both the Maill and Quinn votes, and I remain unconvinced by Devotary’s ideas which she expresses in her vote. In the interest of actually putting down a vote that has a chance of affecting the lynch outcome, though, it’ll have to be Dannex. The fact that Illwei is not voting on Maill despite the accusations giving her every reason to is probably the best evidence in favour of village!Illwei I can think of, even if I don’t understand why she’s voting Dannex herself, and having developed a strong aversion to the leading lynch trains, and with Dannex having been one of my top suspicions alongside SoR and TUO for a lurking Elim, I’m fine with joining her and trying to create some kind of alternative to the two leading candidates, neither of whom I suspect enough to want dead. (Though it admittedly feels weird trying to build a lynch off the vote of someone I most suspected to be Elim out of those three. *sigh*) I’d also urge @TJ Shade, @_Stick_, @Burnt Spaghetti and @Mailliw73 himself to consider any alternate shrekkings - none of you seemed to suspect Quinn or Maill, and you might have more time to put into analysis than I can manage trying to juggle a very busy schedule. 

Probably my last post for this cycle unless I need to change my vote onto a better target. Dannex is definitely not my first choice, and my rough order of suspicions looking at this cycle goes TUO —> Tani —> Devotary —> Dannex —> SoR —> Ash —> Araris —> Illwei, with a note that Gears mainly confuses me even if I don’t necessarily suspect him. It should be noted that this list (esp higher up) is mainly lower actives because I think we’re letting those people lurk and kill everyone else, so if the Dannex train doesn’t take off, this would also be my shortlist for Coinshot kills. 

[|TJ| he/him]

6 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

With all that said, I still dislike both the Maill and Quinn votes, and I remain unconvinced by Devotary’s ideas which she expresses in her vote. In the interest of actually putting down a vote that has a chance of affecting the lynch outcome, though, it’ll have to be Dannex.

Sigh, Dannex really dies a lot all of a sudden and quite early in games, so I'm not sure about this. Is there a reason you did not mention TWS [Ashbringer] in your post? I would be willing to move there. I'm reading Quinn was village, and really unsure about Maill. Paranoid that this is an attempt by elim!Fifth to save elim!Maill. Definitely remember last minute shifts in QF45... :P. 

[Stick. she/her]

As far as Dannex goes - I remember having a village read on them. Let's see.

Their first post rang all the elim alarm bells for me:

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Hello I am here. No real thoughts yet, but the very sudden train on Striker seems a bit weird to me. 

This was the whole post (excluding RP). Just dropping an opposing comment on (what we now know to be) a village train, sus. 

Their second post, though (below), is what made me lean village:

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I would be very surprised if the Elims don't have a smoker, it seems like a very Elim-oriented role. How would a Vill smoker even use the role? Copperclouding other players seems like it would be generally a bad idea for a Vill smoker, am I wrong?

 Only because I feel like an actual elim wouldn't casually drop a statement like this one - it seems counterintuitive to the elims because it so so obviously gives the village a reason to exe Dannex in the event that a village smoker turns out (which has: Ventyl). 

And then this post also made me lean village on them, because of how they asked these questions in-thread instead of in their doc. Could be an IKYK.

Then they went ahead and voted on Quinn, but I think it was just meant to be a joke? It did stay on for the rest of the cycle though...

After this Dannex disappeared for two days (real-life time, not turns lol), and came back to say that they did not in fact cease to exist. After that they disappeared for 6 days, to return to say this:

13 hours ago, Dannex said:

Yes hi I’m here. 

School got real busy since it was the end of the quarter. But now I’m on spring break so I’m back. I should probably be responsible and catch up on everything I missed, but that’s sounds boring so I’m just gonna use context clues. What’s up?

So yeah, I don't know about Dannex  

Will this exe give us a ton of info? Probably not. Is Dannex suspicious enough? Maybe? I personally have a village gut read on them

 

edit: @Fifth Scholar 

Edited March 7, 2021 by _Stick_

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Im willing to vote on an alternate target. Whats the general reasonings for being sus of Dannex or TWS?

[STINK he/him]

For one they haven't told the thread that they're gonna have a shower so

They stinky and I'm not cause I'm about to have a shower

[|TJ| he/him]

7 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Im willing to vote on an alternate target. Whats the general reasonings for being sus of Dannex or TWS?

What's your reasoning on Illwei?

I'm voting on TWS because they seem similar to LG71, basically voting and dipping. 

[Kasimir he/him]

33 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Pffft, like you could do anything to stop Wyrm from posting anyway

I am hoping that by acknowledging his claim to be Shadow GM of this game and pressganging him into service, he will remember that he is a responsible, mature adult, the serious and responsible and fun-promoting GM side of him will emerge, and he will stop wreaking havoc in thread and in my docs, yeah :|

Also y'all acclaimed him co-GM so I guess I don't really get a say in this either >>.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Kasimir

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

4 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

What's your reasoning on Illwei?

I'm voting on TWS because they seem similar to LG71, basically voting and dipping. 

I retracted that vote but it was a joke vote cause she said "help" so I thought I'd give her a hand by voting for her, y'know, as good friends do

So they were evil that game I presume then?

 

[|TJ| he/him]

8 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

I retracted that vote but it was a joke vote cause she said "help" so I thought I'd give her a hand by voting for her, y'know, as good friends do

So they were evil that game I presume then?

Oh I didn't see the retraction, my bad. And yeah, they were elim that game. 

[Stick. she/her]

I just read through all three (3) of TWS's posts, and I wouldn't be opposed to exe'ing them (I've thus far included them in all my elim team guesses in-thread, I'm pretty sure). Although I don't think I wanna do that while they're not around to defend themself, so I'm not voting this turn.

[STINK he/him]

If u only got 3 posts whats there to defend on Day 3?