Mat he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Matrim: Some things in their posts seem like things that I would avoid saying if I was an Elim. I still have a bad gut read on them though, so kinda wary on this connie flip. I want to read them as village though, so maybe I'll do that. Go right ahead That first sentence is why I have a village read on Books, for their first post about the Shaman strat against the elims. 2 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Connie: Hmm. See, I'm wary of how fast this picked up. However, connie isn't as defensive as I thought I remember her being. If I was devoted enough I might look back through her past games and see if I'm right, but she doesn't seem as defensive. Calmly explaining her reasoning as she's in the lead with votes doesn't feel the same. I agree with all of that. I'm leaning that it's all villagers on the Connie train right now, but if anyone else jumps on it I'm probably gonna get off of it. It picked up fast and honestly her defences have lessened my suspicions of her. 5 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Stink: Evil xD 2 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: ...iirc I actually stayed in the background for most of QF48. Since it was my first game and the other elims advised me to appear relatively inactive, since new players can get away with that pretty easily. I tried not to put my opinions out there too much, except in the elim doc which you wouldn't have seen until the end of the game. I did do a lot of thinking in MR46, though I think it did more harm than good tbh... I can confirm that Quinn was mostly in the background QF48. Dunno what point that was for, but there :P. That vote count posted by Illwei is indeed correct (at least to what I have) 1 minute ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Oh yay, my acting's working! Seriously though, my siblings could tell you. I'm totally acting, plus I read through some more games and I'm prepared to deal with this in some of the first cycles like my other games. I get attention eventually, I think. My heart's pounding, though. I'm also planning my 'last post' just in case. Define 'acting'. Cause I reeeeeeally don't like that word. It sounds like exactly what the elims are doing. 'Last post' makes me think you're not vanilla.
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said: 'Last post' makes me think you're not vanilla. Which brings me back to my point that if you are a bearer, then there's no point claiming. sorry if you are but even suggesting that makes me want to kill you more. (er, you being Connie, even though Matrim suggested it) the blade going out randomly is much better imo then the Elims being able to kill you for it. EDIT: 2 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said: That first sentence is why I have a village read on Books, for their first post about the Shaman strat against the elims. Yep. 2 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said: her defences have lessened my suspicions of her. I also agree with this. I'm hesitant though because she does seem to calm to me. saying that she's acting doesn't help me feel much better. Edited December 5, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei
Eternum he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Oh yay, my acting's working! Seriously though, my siblings could tell you. I'm totally acting, plus I read through some more games and I'm prepared to deal with this in some of the first cycles like my other games. I get attention eventually, I think. My heart's pounding, though. I'm also planning my 'last post' just in case. Thanks for the vote count. That's such a weird thing for an elim to say that I'm kind of leaning village now. Lmao. Might just be an elim trying to act like they have an important village role, though. No idea. Still leaning village on Connie, but I don't like underestimating new players since they often tend to surprise me
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Plot-twist: Connie is actually Truthless and this is secretly exactly what she wants to happen XD Side-note: It just started snowing here though I don't know whether it'll stick
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: Plot-twist: Connie is actually Truthless and this is secretly exactly what she wants to happen XD Not gonna lie, I have been thinking this. fsdjlkfshdfkjlsd it's SNOWING where you are? ;-; (text here to show that these two things are unrelated) Connie Fura Edited December 5, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei
Condensation she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said: Define 'acting'. Cause I reeeeeeally don't like that word. It sounds like exactly what the elims are doing. 'Last post' makes me think you're not vanilla. Acting. Like, pretending like I'm not scared out of my wits. Last post? How would that make you think I'm not vanilla? I always over-analyse people's reads, so I figure I may as well post a list for other people to over-analyse. 3 minutes ago, Eternum said: That's such a weird thing for an elim to say that I'm kind of leaning village now. Lmao. Might just be an elim trying to act like they have an important village role, though. No idea. Still leaning village on Connie, but I don't like underestimating new players since they often tend to surprise me Wait, there are important village roles? My understanding was that you can't be important and village unless you have an Honorblade, and those can be taken away. Right? I'm not Truthless, I promise. Nor am I an elim.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Acting. Like, pretending like I'm not scared out of my wits. Last post? How would that make you think I'm not vanilla? I always over-analyse people's reads, so I figure I may as well post a list for other people to over-analyse. Wait, there are important village roles? My understanding was that you can't be important and village unless you have an Honorblade, and those can be taken away. Right? I'm not Truthless, I promise. Nor am I an elim. The Stone Shaman. Or possibly secrets. Edit: That's exactly what an elim or the Truthless would say! Edited December 5, 2020 by Quinn0928
Mat he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Last post? How would that make you think I'm not vanilla? I always over-analyse people's reads, so I figure I may as well post a list for other people to over-analyse. Why not just post that now then? It might help change some reads. 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Wait, there are important village roles? My understanding was that you can't be important and village unless you have an Honorblade, and those can be taken away. Right? Stone Shaman. But don't claim Stone Shaman if you are them. Edited December 5, 2020 by Ookla's Dice
Eternum he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ookla the Grammatical said: Wait, there are important village roles? My understanding was that you can't be important and village unless you have an Honorblade, and those can be taken away. Right? I'm not Truthless, I promise. Nor am I an elim. The Honorblades are pretty important, no? We don't want a village Honorblade wielder, assuming the elims start with any, to die and have the blade be randomly distributed, on the off-chance it goes to an elim. I don't actually know how the distribution works. Lynch gives it to a random person and elim kill lets the elim claim it? Regardless. This question makes me feel better about you, though I can't quite word why. It implies you're not really trying to defend yourself using an Honorblade as an excuse. EDIT: Stone Shaman's an important village role, yeah. I forgot about that. I'm typing this as I walk, so I'm not too focused, my apologies Edited December 5, 2020 by Eternum
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Eternum said: The Honorblades are pretty important, no? We don't want a village Honorblade wielder, assuming the elims start with any, to die and have the blade be randomly distributed, on the off-chance it goes to an elim. I don't actually know how the distribution works. Lynch gives it to a random person and elim kill lets the elim claim it? Regardless. This question makes me feel better about you, though I can't quite word why. It implies you're not really trying to defend yourself using an Honorblade as an excuse. Using an Honorblade as an excuse is stupid anyway; if you're being voted off it's likely because people think you're an elim. If you're an elim, and you claim to have an Honorblade (which is quite possibly a thing that could happen even on D1), we are going to be more likely to want to kill you, so that you don't have an Honorblade anymore. Edit: I meant so that the elims don't have that Honorblade anymore. Slightly odd phrasing on my part, my bad. Edited December 5, 2020 by Quinn0928
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Okay so first *stressing out because I have no clue who gave me rep* Second of all I hate speculating about roles. let's stop. it's not good village practice. and I'm back to wanting to kill connie. vote staying on Fura though because I want them to come play. Not even because connie is an Elim though, I just want to make sure that if she has a role then she's not gonna die. I- Okay I think she actually might be truthless: hear me out. Acting. that's it folks have a nice day. I couldn't read connie before though I don't think when she was a hemalurgist, so idk. EDIT: 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: Edit: I meant so that the elims don't have that Honorblade anymore. Slightly odd phrasing on my part, my bad. Nah, Nah, I like the first Phrasing :P. Edited December 5, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei
Ashbringer he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 Gears (2): STINK, TJ Shade, Ookla the Shadowed / Experience (1): Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araria Valerian, Ookla the Grammatical / Condensation (3): Ookla’s Dice / Matrim’s Dice, Quinn0928, FlyingBooks42 Furamirionind (1): Ooklil’ the Wei / Illwei That... should be right? I did that on mobile and without a spreadsheet so... eh. (Illwei, yours was right until you moved )
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: I hate speculating about roles. let's stop. it's not good village practice. and I'm back to wanting to kill connie. vote staying on Fura though because I want them to come play. Not even because connie is an Elim though, I just want to make sure that if she has a role then she's not gonna die. Why isn't speculating about roles good village practice? Meant as a genuine question, not necessarily an accusatory one or anything. Also, if you want Fura to come play you might Mention them in your post instead of just voting them, since they won't get a notification for that. Edit: What does it say about me that watching snow falling when it's windy reminds me of slope fields? Edited December 5, 2020 by Quinn0928
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: Also, if you want Fura to come play you might Mention them in your post instead of just voting them, since they won't get a notification for that. Shh. 4 minutes ago, Ookla Fell From The Sky said: (Illwei, yours was right until you moved ) Ahh. Spreadsheets are nice. Now I just need to figure out how to get mine to tell me names of people who voted.............
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: Why isn't speculating about roles good village practice? Meant as a genuine question, not necessarily an accusatory one or anything. I would say that using role speculation as the primary reason for a vote is generally bad, since we have a bunch of trolls for GMs. But otherwise I would say that it can be helpful when trying to solve the game. On the topic of the D1 lynch, I’d like to point out that it isn’t necessary that we actually kill anyone. It’s just necessary that people feel threatened. That’s when we get information.
Condensation she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said: Why not just post that now then? It might help change some reads. Stone Shaman. But don't claim Stone Shaman if you are them. Not done yet. And it's mostly based on who's voting for me with which reasoning. And I wouldn't, if I were. 1 minute ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Second of all I hate speculating about roles. let's stop. it's not good village practice. and I'm back to wanting to kill connie. vote staying on Fura though because I want them to come play. Not even because connie is an Elim though, I just want to make sure that if she has a role then she's not gonna die. I- Okay I think she actually might be truthless: hear me out. Acting. that's it folks have a nice day. I couldn't read connie before though I don't think when she was a hemalurgist, so idk. What are you talking about? You totally PMed me and were like, "Yeah, you're a Hemalurgist." I denied it, but you were so certain! (And then you though I was H4 instead of H6 and I laughed a lot, but that's beside the point.) If I were Truthless, I'd be a lot more suspicious. It's practically a given for anyone who knows me that the emotion I'm displaying could definitely be contrary to the emotion I'm feeling. I'm a good actor, and I know that doesn't help my case. You can't know if I'm an elim based on how I act. But you should trust me because I'm not lying to you. I'm not an elim. Neither am I the Truthless, nor the Stone Shaman. I'm not all that important, but if you kill me it's one villager dead and however many elims still alive. If you want to think I'm the Truthless, go ahead. I can't stop you. But consider carefully your votes. Wow, that turned into a huge thing. Sorry about that, I just got started on a little rant. TL;DR: I'm a good actor, you shouldn't kill me because I'm not lying to you. Although it might be fun to have my first D1 lynch, I want to be here and help out.
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Araris Valerian said: I’d like to point out that it isn’t necessary that we actually kill anyone Hold on hold on hold on this is...Araris....saying this....right? EDIT: Just now, Ookla the Grammatical said: You totally PMed me and were like, "Yeah, you're a Hemalurgist." That's because turtle told me though. Unlike when I thought Turtle was a Hema based on things she was saying in thread. Edited December 5, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ookla the Araris Valerian said: I would say that using role speculation as the primary reason for a vote is generally bad, since we have a bunch of trolls for GMs. But otherwise I would say that it can be helpful when trying to solve the game. On the topic of the D1 lynch, I’d like to point out that it isn’t necessary that we actually kill anyone. It’s just necessary that people feel threatened. That’s when we get information. Ohhhh I misunderstood what Illwei meant by role speculation. I thought she meant "speculating about what the different roles might do" for some reason. And yeah, I'm not about to vote based on what I think others roles are or aren't. Also, we get more information if we see for sure what someone is, and then use that to extrapolate information about the people who defended that person or voted for that person. People feeling threatened can give us reads, but we never get anything concrete out of it. Also, no one would feel threatened if they knew we were going to all retract our votes before the end of the day. Edit: Additionally, the elims likely wouldn't retract their votes, which would be hidden by the fact that I doubt every villager would retract their vote either (through inactivity or because they think the "we'll just threaten them" idea is flawed), so then the elims would control the lynch. Which is exactly what we're trying to avoid. Not having a D1 lynch only works if the vast majority of people agrees that we're not going to, and agrees that anyone who votes D1 is sus and should be lynched. Otherwise the elims take advantage. (as we've already been saying lol sorry to reiterate the point) Edited December 5, 2020 by Quinn0928
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, STINK said: u guys going nuts It's D1, what did you expect? Edit: Also I'm realizing that I'm responsible for probably about a third or a quarter of the posts that have been made in this thread, and that if I want to not look sus next time I'm an elim, I'm going to have to keep up this level of activity... great. Edited December 5, 2020 by Quinn0928
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, Quinn0928 said: It's D1, what did you expect? If I remember correctly, it was something along the lines of chilling and having a bit of RP, and killing gears
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, Ooklil' the Wei said: If I remember correctly, it was something along the lines of chilling and having a bit of RP, and killing gears Hah. Like that was ever gonna happen.... Sorry, STINK, we're not a sane enough group for that.
Eternum he/him Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: Using an Honorblade as an excuse is stupid anyway; if you're being voted off it's likely because people think you're an elim. If you're an elim, and you claim to have an Honorblade (which is quite possibly a thing that could happen even on D1), we are going to be more likely to want to kill you, so that you don't have an Honorblade anymore. Edit: I meant so that the elims don't have that Honorblade anymore. Slightly odd phrasing on my part, my bad. That was fairly clear phrasing, imo. Elims tend to be the ones overthinking their posts. A sign, perhaps? That's true, yes, but that's on the case that we have enough info to genuinely believe someone might be elim. This is not such a case, so both situations are valid, I believe. 2 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Hold on hold on hold on this is...Araris....saying this....right? Yeah? This is normal for Araris, he's always been about all votes needing to have weight to be of any use (which I certainly agree with), but that doesn't mean a lynch absolutely needs to happen on D1.
Illwei Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, Quinn0928 said: Hah. Like that was ever gonna happen.... Sorry, STINK, we're not a sane enough group for that. Also just saw your edit in the last post, but too lazy to switch pages. Not sure if Araris means that we should retract votes (like someone suggested in another game i think) but that- Like, right now, we got a chain on connie, we got a reaction, then we could let the pressure off and pressure gears some more or something like that. Basically my thing about not poke voting and things like that but I haven't seen a single poke vote and i still wanna kill connie
Quintessential she/her Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Also just saw your edit in the last post, but too lazy to switch pages. Not sure if Araris means that we should retract votes (like someone suggested in another game i think) but that- Like, right now, we got a chain on connie, we got a reaction, then we could let the pressure off and pressure gears some more or something like that. Basically my thing about not poke voting and things like that but I haven't seen a single poke vote and i still wanna kill connie And again, if we make a habit of shifting our votes frequently or retracting them altogether, they become less meaningful, put less pressure on people, and are thus a less effective way of gauging reactions.
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