The Fused's name for aluminum

[+mdross81 he/him]

10 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

What if Shai found some sort of Connection medallion or something along the lines of that, that Connected her to Roshar. Then once she’s Connected it’s not such a leap that she is an irali. She would of course have to repeat this daily but that’s woudnt pose a problem to someone of her skill set.

There’s still the problem of powering the soulstamp magic away from Sel. But maybe she could find a way to power it with Stormlight?

[Bejarden he/him]

Just now, mdross81 said:

There’s still the problem of powering the soulstamp magic away from Sel. But maybe she could find a way to power it with Stormlight?

We know the IRE could figure out how to do it on Scadrial so I don’t see the problem.

I wonder if the Dor can be replaced on Stormlight... It should work if you can hack the stamp to not draw on the Dor but Stormlight. 
Right? 

[+mdross81 he/him]

13 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

We know the IRE could figure out how to do it on Scadrial so I don’t see the problem.

I wonder if the Dor can be replaced on Stormlight... It should work if you can hack the stamp to not draw on the Dor but Stormlight. 
Right? 

Yeah, I'm not trying to shoot down the idea. Just noting that it's something she would have to figure out. With the Ghostbloods storyline we're clearly moving toward a place where Stormlight is converted to power other magics, so I think it's only a matter of time before we see more applications of that.

The IRE basically had an extension cord running through the Cognitive Realm to maintain a connection to the Dor. From SH, Part 5, Chapter 2

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The very walls of this fortress glowed faintly. Was that mist? It didn't seem to have the same hue to it; it was too blue. Keeping to the shadows of rock formations, Kelsier rounded the building toward a brighter light source at the back.

This turned out to be an enormous glowing cord as thick as a large tree trunk. It pulsed with a slow, rhythmic power, and the light it gave off was the same shade as the walls - only far more brilliant. It seemed to be some kind of energy conduit, and ran off into the far distance, visible in the dark for miles.

The cord passed into the fortress through a large gate in the back. As Kelsier crept closer, he found that little lines of energy were running across the stone of the wall. They branched smaller and smaller, like a glowing web of veins.

So it stands to reason they could run one to Roshar as well. But it'd sure be more convenient to use a locally-available Investiture.

[Edgecaller]

23 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

A popular theory is that Zu is actually Shai 

Also a stamp has to be possible changing genders and place of origin and all that other stuff would be pretty impossible, a stamp has to be plausible 

All shai would have to do would be to get a spren bond and make herself speak Alethi

And for Zu to find a forger as good as Shai was to ReForge his soul would be both impossible and completely out of his character 

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[Quivil]

This bothers me SO MUCH! People in other forums are acting like Aluminum can be Soulcast and it can't because it's Ralkalest and it BOTHERS ME SO MUCH!

Ok. I can stop yelling now.

I think Aluminum's pretty much immune to and blocks all types of Investiture. It makes fabrials not work like normal, it can't be influenced by Allomancy and blocks Allomantic influence, it blocks fabrials and the sensing of them, it can't be Soulcast, and it blocks Surges. I wouldn't be surprised if it stopped the Dor too and if Aons drawn in Aluminum didn't do anything. And that's just off the top of my head.

[Random Bystander she/her]

Just now, Gneorndin said:

This bothers me SO MUCH! People in other forums are acting like Aluminum can be Soulcast and it can't because it's Ralkalest and it BOTHERS ME SO MUCH!

Well, they might mean that things can be soulcast into aluminum...

 

[Quivil]

Just now, Random Bystander said:

Well, they might mean that things can be soulcast into aluminum...

But why would that work? If Aluminum stops Investiture, then the stamp would come off as soon as the metal was aluminum.

Also, Shai refers to Ralkalest as "the unForgeable metal."

[Random Bystander she/her]

Just now, Gneorndin said:

But why would that work? If Aluminum stops Investiture, then the stamp would come off as soon as the metal was aluminum.

Also, Shai refers to Ralkalest as "the unForgeable metal."

I'm glad you asked! According to the Coppermind, and I quote:

"It's also possible that the only way to obtain aluminium natively on Roshar is through soulcasting, as there are a few soulcasters capable of creating aluminum.^[43][44][45]"

I've done a lot of research on aluminum...

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Gneorndin said:

But why would that work? If Aluminum stops Investiture, then the stamp would come off as soon as the metal was aluminum.

Also, Shai refers to Ralkalest as "the unForgeable metal."

Because Soulcasting isn't soulstamping

[AaronIcarus]

I'm working on a theory that may have already been discussed and dealt with, but with the discussions had between the dying preservation and Kelsier in the cognitive realm, there are sixteen shards, and sixteen metals, two of whom are clearly named for the holders of the shards. Wouldn't it make sense that a name that predates pretty much every culture would be represented intercosmerically by the shard's holder? Specifically. Ralcolest or Alumin, a shard of silence or weakness or non-investiture perhapse? It's been mentioned in MANY of his books as a remover of investiture. Perhaps this is a clue to the most dangerous shard. The one that eliminates all power perhaps. Just a running theory.

Edited September 12, 2024 by AaronIcarus

[Trusk'our he/him]

22 minutes ago, AaronIcarus said:

I'm working on a theory that may have already been discussed and dealt with, but with the discussions had between the dying preservation and Kelsier in the cognitive realm, there are sixteen shards, and sixteen metals, two of whom are clearly named for the holders of the shards. Wouldn't it make sense that a name that predates pretty much every culture would be represented intercosmerically by the shard's holder? Specifically. Ralcolest or Alumin, a shard of silence or weakness or non-investiture perhapse? It's been mentioned in MANY of his books as a remover of investiture. Perhaps this is a clue to the most dangerous shard. The one that eliminates all power perhaps. Just a running theory.

Welcome to the Shard!

It's an interesting idea, but I think aluminum is a non-Godmetal, just one with irregular properties. It's not gathered the way Godmetals are, but collected as a standard resource, if a somewhat valuable one.

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Also, lots of folks (myself included) would love to get get to know you a little better in the introduction forum.

Nice meeting you! 

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3 hours ago, AaronIcarus said:

I'm working on a theory that may have already been discussed and dealt with, but with the discussions had between the dying preservation and Kelsier in the cognitive realm, there are sixteen shards, and sixteen metals, two of whom are clearly named for the holders of the shards. Wouldn't it make sense that a name that predates pretty much every culture would be represented intercosmerically by the shard's holder? Specifically. Ralcolest or Alumin, a shard of silence or weakness or non-investiture perhapse? It's been mentioned in MANY of his books as a remover of investiture. Perhaps this is a clue to the most dangerous shard. The one that eliminates all power perhaps. Just a running theory.

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As for your question. God Metals include the name of the Vessel or Shard (Atium, Lerasium, Raysium | Harmonium), and Aluminum is not a Godmetal. The term Ralkalest is from Yolish, which will be the setting of the Pre-shattering series Dragonsteel. WoBs:

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Pagerunner

The specific word "ralkalest," it appears on multiple worlds. Why did you use that instead of just saying "aluminum"?

Brandon Sanderson

This is mostly us just being cheeky. I like fantasy names for star metal, and I came up with ralkalest because... I go back and forth sometimes about how much I just want to call something what it is in translation, and how much I want to call... In this case, I decided ralkalest sounds cool, it evokes the feeling of the people in world viewing this metal, where they have this view of it as this mythical, magical sort of thing. And simply calling it "aluminum" doesn't convey that in the same way, the mythology associated with it. So I use both, but it's like there's two different languages, and when I'm using "ralkalest," it's more evoking their view of this metal.

Pagerunner

On Sel, Shai says one word, and Raboniel says another word, neither of them are saying aluminum? Neither of them are saying some other word that doesn't exist in English?

Brandon Sanderson

Right, they are both saying, ralkalest would be a transliteration of the actual word in world.

Pagerunner

But which language, which transliteration?

Brandon Sanderson

Oh, which language does ralkalest come from? I think ralkalest is probably original Yolish, but I haven't actually sat down and written that down. But that's what I would say now, that we're looking for kind of a mythological level. And a lot of times if you're gonna get a mythological term that's gonna transfer across worlds, it's gonna go back to what it was called on Yolen, right? Some of the words from Yolen are kind of like the way that we use Old English, or even... Latin's weird in English, so it's not really Latin. Latin and Greek have both been incorporated into scientific terms for things. But ancient terms, maybe more like Hebrew. Sometimes there's just some words that feel mythological. Some Yolish terms, because of that, kind of flow through the cosmere.

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Hope that helps

Edited September 12, 2024 by Treamayne
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