+Lotus she/her Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 TJ Shade: 1 vote, Striker Frozen Mint: 2 votes, TJ Shade and Gears Shard Of reasoning: 1 vote, Frozen Mint Ventyl: 1 vote, MysticLotus I think?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, MysticLotus said: Maybe it should be changed so it's different colors. I mean, isn't red-green colorblindness the most common? There have been a lot of discussions every now and then about what to change the colors to, it at all. I think a red/blue set of colors would probably work pretty well. 49 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: What is the right level of defensiveness a villager facing a mislynch show, Striker? Should I not try to provide an answer for everything and be as clear as possible to prevent you guys from making the wrong choice? Why would a villager facing a mislynch show less intent to live than an eliminator? I’m not sure. I wish I knew, because it would make it a lot easier to convince people you’re a villager if there was an easy way to say “this is how you defend yourself.” I do like how you’ve responded to my accusations though. I put more pressure on you then I really felt I needed to to get a reaction out of you. I still have a weird feeling about you, but I’m starting to believe it’s might be because I’m tunneling on you. I’ll be leaving my vote where it is because I don’t have as strong of suspicions on anyone else yet.
+Lotus she/her Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: There have been a lot of discussions every now and then about what to change the colors to, it at all. I think a red/blue set of colors would probably work pretty well. Yeah. That would be better, I think.
theTruthshaper Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Well, my time is up. So, my only elim read is: Gears: They are the one I most feel is an elim, however my certainty is still very low. Also, they are contributing much to the discussion, and if they are a villager, it would a pity to have them lynched But, as I want to avoid the filter: Sparkrunner They will probably die because of inactivity, so my vote is redundant. I am voting like this I don't want a repeat of what happened with Silber.
Straw he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 We'll be getting four deaths this cycle, right? I think Experience and Sparkrunner have been the only people to never vote. For the lynch, I'm leaning towards Ventyl, but I need to read through Mint's stuff again. I'll be back to do that in around a hour. As someone who's usually pretty defensive, I don't like Striker's defensiveness argument. 1
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, TJ Shade said: Ventyl: Already mentioned their comment on xino’s death earlier. Votes on me but states votes on both me and Pyro is good. Highly suspicious post. “I don’t see the difference in whom we vote for.” He knew we both were village? States I have a higher chance of being an elim than Pyro, gives no reasoning. Verdict: Strongest elim read post-analysis. Notes by Paranoid!TJ: The initial clash of opinions between Fifth and Straw is nagging me. Paranoid!me is thinking it was staged while I know the most logical choice would be a village/village interaction. Notable thing is after that initial debate, they seemed to have avoided coming to heads with one another. I suppose there is no reason to, but there is little to no interaction between them. I know both of you defended me, and this may seem ungrateful, and I'm sorry for that. It may be nothing, but it's something to be wary about. I'll be willing to lynch either Frozen Mint or Ventyl at this point. What is the right level of defensiveness a villager facing a mislynch show, Striker? Should I not try to provide an answer for everything and be as clear as possible to prevent you guys from making the wrong choice? Why would a villager facing a mislynch show less intent to live than an eliminator? What I meant in regards to your post before this, is that after seeing other players analysis of your post I genuinely agreed with them, in the sense that you could be an elim. Also you’re taking my post out of context, I said I didn’t see a difference in whom we lynch because we’d get relatively same information. If you’d be lynched and flipped elim, Pyro would’ve also seemed like one. If you’d been lynched and flipped village, I’d think Pyro was village. If Pyro had flipped elim, I’d think you’d be one too. Since he was village, I’m more leaning towards village!TJ. This post probably only makes sense to me, but it’s fine . As for my vote, I’ll put it on Frozen Mint, considering that it looks like me and them are going to be the main lynch targets of this cycle. I’m not too suspicious of them, I think a better lynch would be Gears, but I doubt that’s going to go anywhere.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 19 hours ago, Gears said: On C1, TJ swung the vote onto Silber. If he was an elim, protecting Pyro would make no sense. As such, he is probably a villager. While I do trust TJ for the moment, I disagree with this reasoning—elims can and will protect villagers to “pocket” them, as well as to look good if they eventually flip village. Given the widespread condemnation of Pyro, it wouldn’t have been a bad idea for an Elim to defend them, knowing that they would look better once they turned out village. The defence of Pyro certainly reads as genuine, but hardly as alignment-indicative, a point which Ashbringer brought up earlier which I agree with. Give me another minute to catch up with the thread, revise my reads, and then I’ll post and vote. Sadly, I likely won’t have time for my large walls of text this cycle, so expect a few more quotes and questions at most.
Gears Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, Vapor said: How soon will it end? It ends in ~2.5 hours
Vapor she/her Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Thank you Edited June 23, 2020 by Vapor
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 I'm not really seeing elim Mint except with also elim TJ, or at least village TJ means less likely elim Mint. I think villagers are more willing to be inconsistent with their views since they aren't as concerned about appearances. I can definitely see elim!Mint voting on teammate TJ and looking for any excuse to ditch that wagon, I less see elim!Mint switching from one village wagon(TJ) to another(Pyro) by reversing previous reads. 1 hour ago, Ventyl said: As for my vote, I’ll put it on Frozen Mint, considering that it looks like me and them are going to be the main lynch targets of this cycle. I’m not too suspicious of them, I think a better lynch would be Gears, but I doubt that’s going to go anywhere. There's still some time left in the cycle. If you're going to be around for rollover, you can put your vote on someone you're actually suspicious of now and switch to a more practical choice later if necessary.
Gears Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 If you wish to lynch me, you have my leave to make the attempt.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 I just lost about an hour’s worth of work (thank you 17th Shard), so in the interest of getting a vote in on time, Frozen Mint, with deep reservation. Reasons to be supplied in an upcoming post which will probably be a shorter rewrite of my previous paragraphs.
+Lotus she/her Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 I feel like everyone is voting for mint, but nobody has a great reason.
Gears Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Just now, MysticLotus said: I feel like everyone is voting for mint, but nobody has a great reason. It's mainly because Mint seems to be tunneling on TJ and we don't really have any good lynch targets. Ventyl, Mint, and TJ are the main ones, and no one is really voting on Ventyl. Fifth has some reasons, but the post was just lost, so give him a minute to summarize. 1
Lahilt he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 strikerez vote on TJ last cycle seemed unjustified. When you voted on TJ last cycle you said that this TJ post seems super suspicious. When pressured this cycle you say mostly gut reads.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MysticLotus said: I feel like everyone is voting for mint, but nobody has a great reason. Exactly my reservations. Okay, here’s the TL;DR of my previous post which got eaten by the site: Mint is definitely suspicious, whether you’re taking TJ’s angle that she was trying to set him up for a mislynch (which I...don’t fully buy, but certainly explains quite a bit if she is evil), or my angle that she’s content to avoid solid commitments with her reads, hedging a lot even with her accusations of Gears and TJ, and ultimately voting outside of these two on Shard of Reading, which I just found odd. For all of the above, I’m perfectly happy to lynch her. However, the lynch itself is really bugging me; first of all, because it’s attracted immediate support from other players I suspect (namely Truthwatcher), and second because while there’s a lot of talk about an alternative, nobody seems to actually want to put one out there besides Ventyl, who I’m also fine with lynching, but so far has zero votes. And third and finally, because we’re lynching yet another active player. There are plenty of people staying on the periphery, dropping in once or twice with largely unexplained votes and then leaving, and we just give them null reads, promise to suspect them more a bit later, and go on with lynching active players because we can always find something incriminating in somebody’s posts if we look hard enough, simply from sheer volume. So in light of that Mint’s vote on Shard doesn’t look entirely unjustified, though I’m still staying on this lynch because I currently have no better options. I would like a Truthwatcher or maybe even a Ventyl lynch. But those just seem...unlikely, or nobody who wants them has actually bothered to speak up. Until somebody besides me does, the Mint lynch is in my estimation still our best option. But I very much wish it wasn’t. Edited June 23, 2020 by Fifth Scholar Separating my paragraphs more clearly, because that’s clearly the most pressing concern right now :P 1
Straw he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Hmm, looking back through Mint's posts I don't find much worthy of suspicion. I'll put a tentative vote on StrikerEZ. The way they acted towards TJ was odd to say the least, and they particularly pinged me when they said they'd vote on TJ regardless of Pyro's flip. I'll review their posts again.
Gears Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) People I actively want to lynch: Frozen Mint, Ventyl. People I would be okay with lynching: StrikerEZ, Vapor, The_Truthwatcher. Edited June 23, 2020 by Gears
Straw he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: I would like a Truthwatcher or maybe even a Ventyl lynch. But those just seem...unlikely, or nobody who wants them has actually bothered to speak up. Until somebody besides me does, the Mint lynch is in my estimation still our best option. But I very much wish it wasn’t. I could go for a Truthwatcher vote as well. Their case on Gears has been very strange. They seem to be trying to throw suspicion onto Gears' reads by saying that they're manipulative and artificial, which I disagree with. I'm very confused as to why they voted on Sparkrunner rather than Gears if they're so suspicious of him.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gears said: People I actively want to lynch: Frozen Mint, Ventyl. People I would be okay with lynching: StrikerEZ, Vapor, The_Truthwatcher. Hmm. I largely agree with this, maybe bumping Truthwatcher up and Striker off; I’d been reading him as village, though I might want to re-evaluate that in light of the recent votes on him. 3 minutes ago, Straw said: I could go for a Truthwatcher vote as well. Their case on Gears has been very strange. They seem to be trying to throw suspicion onto Gears' reads by saying that they're manipulative and artificial, which I disagree with. I'm very confused as to why they voted on Sparkrunner rather than Gears if they're so suspicious of him. I agree on both counts, but would feel a bit bad about lynching him once he said he’d be offline, and can’t defend himself—that’s happened to me before and it’s never fun. I would likely switch if a Ventyl wagon materialised, and am considering the Striker vote more closely, though as I said before I’d been assuming him as village for most of the game. Truthwatcher was more somebody that I’d like to lynch next cycle, but I wanted my objections aired to see if anyone else agreed. I think it’s important that we don’t switch the lynch just for the sake of switching it, though; if on review I’m still more suspicious of Mint than Striker or Ventyl, I’m keeping my vote where it is, and everyone on Mint currently should do the same.
Mint11 she/her Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Not sure if it means much since there's a fair amount of suspicion towards me right now, but I'm opposed to a Striker lynch. I have more neutral reads on Ventyl and Truthwatcher. It doesn't seem like there will be any support for lynching my main suspicions. Vote count: Frozen Mint (5): TJ Shade, Gears, Vapor, Ventyl, Fifth Striker (2): Lahilt, Straw TJ Shade (1): Striker Shard Of reasoning (1): Frozen Mint Ventyl (1): Mystic Sparkrunner (1): Truthwatcher
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 23, 2020 Posted June 23, 2020 Okay, I managed to read through this a little earlier than usual (relatively speaking) (Nevermind, thank you Alleyverse), and here are some things that stuck out for me. -Lotus almost immediately voted for TJ. I still don't see where TJ's alignment has anything to do with Pyro's flipping Village, but people seem to be taking it either way. Lotus seemed to have a genuine, if perhaps faulted, reason to suspect TJ, but still is odd. Probably a new player excitement. -Gears posted right after TJ voted on Mint saying that he "must" vote on Mint. Gears, you seem to have been leading analysis for a while, and now you just follow TJ's vote. Same with Vapor to some degree. -Mint responded to a lynch train by voting on Shard of Reading, who will likely get killed by the inactivity filter. Gears and TJ are the main ones doing analysis for now, with honorable mentions to Straw and Striker. But TJ was in a tight spot no matter what his or Pyro's alignments, and I feel like he reacted as a Villager should. But I'm not really the one to ask. However, it seems like people are just using TJ's analysis in order to lynch Mint. Which doesn't bode well. ... and I waited too long to post this and everyone's already said this. I don't want to lynch Ventyl... again. I did that last time. I could be convinced to join a train, but I'd need to find a reason (Besides that it could be interesting for Clan Etteax and Clan Faleast to start a feud leading down to the era of LG66...). Mint, it seems like all the analysis is coming from TJ, which could be interesting when TJ's alignment is revealed but as of now is just kinda weird. But I also don't like quickly lynching a target who isn't on to defend themselves like Truthwatcher, and people "pledging" to lynch Truthwatcher without moving votes is also kinda weird. And the results are in: this is all setting off my this-is-weird detector. I will say, votes on Experience / Sparkrunner / maybe Shard? will do us no good in the end. I'll look at the targets to see where my vote goes.
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