The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Magestar said: Finally, I'm interested in being contacted by an Archivist, if there are any in the game. I'm curious about how that ability works, and what sort of knowledge an Archivist might have. Hey! I thought of that first!
Mat he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said: Hey! I thought of that first! I can verify this He asked if I was one
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Same here. ... I’m beginning to consider something. With so many roles out there, and with evidence of duplicates (Drake and Xino both being Gaspers), it’s possible some roles aren’t actually in the player pool. If we’re looking for an Archivist or a rare Allomantic ability, maybe the spot to look is the Medallions or Spikes. Copper is the main medallion used in the real storyline (besides Brass), and it would be really cool for every player to get a chance to learn a random fact. Plus it’s easy on Striker to have as a Feruchemy medallion because it’s just an ability with no tapping/storing oddities. It would explain the seeming lack of an impusive Village Coinshot, but maybe that’s just not how a Village Coinshot’s supposed to play. There was only one kill N1. Either way, I think there’s going to be a lot of purchases tonight. And ignoring the Medallions may be a mistake. ... (Also, my guess/suggestion for normal Feruchemy medallions is that you can store as much as you want, but only tap it once. Besides F-Iron I think it’s feasible, but F-Nicrosil and F-Duralumin would be very brokenly powerful.) Edit: Hello? This thread has been very quiet by our usual standards. Edited June 12, 2020 by Ashbringer
Magestar he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 9 hours ago, TJ Shade said: Whoa, that means they had close to 80 boxings?? We really lynched our best chance at getting the lerasium bead huh? I mean, not necessarily. The boxings are split up randomly, IIRC. And I find it a little difficult to believe that Exp had that many more boxings than I do. I personally was really hoping to have more boxings by this cycle. What's going to be dangerous is in a cycle or two when people start being able to buy daggers and stuff. That will probably accelerate the game quite a bit. 4 hours ago, Ashbringer said: Same here. ... I’m beginning to consider something. With so many roles out there, and with evidence of duplicates (Drake and Xino both being Gaspers), it’s possible some roles aren’t actually in the player pool. If we’re looking for an Archivist or a rare Allomantic ability, maybe the spot to look is the Medallions or Spikes. Copper is the main medallion used in the real storyline (besides Brass), and it would be really cool for every player to get a chance to learn a random fact. Plus it’s easy on Striker to have as a Feruchemy medallion because it’s just an ability with no tapping/storing oddities. It would explain the seeming lack of an impusive Village Coinshot, but maybe that’s just not how a Village Coinshot’s supposed to play. There was only one kill N1. Either way, I think there’s going to be a lot of purchases tonight. And ignoring the Medallions may be a mistake. ... (Also, my guess/suggestion for normal Feruchemy medallions is that you can store as much as you want, but only tap it once. Besides F-Iron I think it’s feasible, but F-Nicrosil and F-Duralumin would be very brokenly powerful.) Edit: Hello? This thread has been very quiet by our usual standards. I guess that makes sense. I had assumed that since there were twinborn, most of the roles would be in the game, but I suppose they don't have to be. I personally probably won't buy a medallion, because the spending my boxings on having a random ability for a cycle isn't really my thing. I'm not really aiming for the Lerasium bead, because it seems pretty unlikely that I'll get it, but I'd at least like a charged or uncharged spike or something cool like that. Also, considering that you get 20% of a person's coins when you kill them, it seems like the Elims probably have the best shot at the Lerasium, assuming they're using the same guy to kill everyone. Kind of seems like a lost cause to me. I've been at work all day, which is why I've been quiet. Sorry no one's posted so you can post more, Ash.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Hm. The issue with using the same person to kill everyone is if that person becomes the Kandra. I'd say that the elims are probably going to be cautious until the Kandra flips, so I'm tempted to keep Magestar and Elandera alive as long as possible, considering they're the two most likely Kandras.
Mat he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said: Hm. The issue with using the same person to kill everyone is if that person becomes the Kandra. I'd say that the elims are probably going to be cautious until the Kandra flips, so I'm tempted to keep Magestar and Elandera alive as long as possible, considering they're the two most likely Kandras. That's assuming Araris picked the next Kandra- which considering his sudden and early death I don't find likely.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said: That's assuming Araris picked the next Kandra- which considering his sudden and early death I don't find likely. Striker refused to specify if he could update his successor. I think that's likely, so odds are on Mage/Elandera. Also, recall how he was in the running for the lynch several times. That makes him picking a successor, even if he's unable to change it, relatively likely. EDIT: Flame On! Edited June 12, 2020 by The Young Pyromancer
Mat he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said: Striker refused to specify if he could update his successor. I think that's likely, so odds are on Mage/Elandera. Also, recall how he was in the running for the lynch several times. That makes him picking a successor, even if he's unable to change it, relatively likely. EDIT: Flame On! I understood that the Kandra could only pick a successor when they self-destructed, but it might be a 'what if' situation.
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted June 12, 2020 Posted June 12, 2020 Mhm. The rules weren't very clear, and the fact that striker didn't correct me with the 'updating successor' bit was weird.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 An hour until rollover and right now my only suspicion is on Ash, but even that’s not that much because we cleared (maybe?) up everything. I think I’ll have to wait until next cycle to really give any new reads on anyone.
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) I mean, I doubt either Araris or Striker expected the Kandra to get found so quickly, so he’s probably keeping any more info about the Kandra from leaking out to us. It could be the Kandra has another ability we don’t know about yet, like Bleeder’s scan or something. I read the rules to say Araris would have to self-destruct to choose a target, but who knows how it actually works? Also, is there any particular reason that Mage and Elandra (and to a lesser extent TJ and maybe Matrim) have had no real suspicions by anyone? I think everyone, including me, reads them as village, but based on how awfuly wrong I’ve been at reading people for the last few rounds I’m wondering if I’m making a mistake in that. Edit: ninja’d by Ventyl. Yeah, I’m still a little suspicious of you too. Athough I agree it’s more a mutual distrust at this point than suspicion based on any proven information. So I’m looking elsewhere for suspects next cycle. Edited June 13, 2020 by Ashbringer
Magestar he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, Ashbringer said: Also, is there any particular reason that Mage and Elandra (and to a lesser extent TJ and maybe Matrim) have had no real suspicions by anyone? I think everyone, including me, reads them as village, but based on how awfuly wrong I’ve been at reading people for the last few rounds I’m wondering if I’m making a mistake in that. I was going to answer this myself but actually I want to hear what other people have to say.
Walin he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 I have nothing very useful to say, but as it may help us narrow down suspects for the elims, I’m considering claiming. I’ll read the thread(s) through after the cycle’s over (don’t have enough time now) and figure out what else I can do, but for now that’s all I’ve got.
|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Also, is there any particular reason that Mage and Elandra (and to a lesser extent TJ and maybe Matrim) have had no real suspicions by anyone? I think everyone, including me, reads them as village, but based on how awfuly wrong I’ve been at reading people for the last few rounds I’m wondering if I’m making a mistake in that. Throughout the game or this cycle? I believe I did mention suspicion on several people, but I'm a new player just like you, so getting reads on players is a bit difficult for me too. I was suspicious of you, Pyro and Drake. You guys managed to convince me that you're not an immediate threat. Still a little suspicious of you, but not enough to take to immediate lynching. I was suspecting Lahilt, or Ventyl. But Experience flipping village threw that away. I still believe Ventyl is slight elim. EDIT: I was also slightly suspicious of Araris in D2, if you recall. But we all know what happened there (or we don't ) Edited June 13, 2020 by TJ Shade
Mist she/her Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Lumen walked out of the common room. They were still attempting to find the Loyalists. One had even been found and killed. People continued to debate late into the night, talking about how some people were cleared. She, at the moment, was disappointed. Shard had been acting suspicious, and Lumen had shared her suspicions. Unfortunately, the leaders had heard too much about him. They took a squad of hazekillers to his room to investigate. He died after that, although no one was sure what went down.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Author Posted June 13, 2020 Okay, the turn is over! No more posting, submitting actions, or PMing.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Author Posted June 13, 2020 So, I'm currently spending the weekend with an important friend of mine, so I don't have much time to do an actual write-up for this turn or the next. I'll be editing some in once I get back home though! Elkanah has been killed! They were a PRE Operative Leecher Misting! Matrim's Dice has been killed! They were a PRE Operative Nicroburst/Sparker Twinborn! PMs are open, but make sure to add Young Bard, Fifth Scholar, and myself to all PMs. Also, make sure to make new PMs with players rather than adding new players to PMs. There will be a lynch this turn. As a reminder, there is no vote minimum for the lynch, and a tie vote will result in one of the tied players being lynched randomly. The turn will end at 9 pm CDT on June 14th. The next turn will begin one hour later. PMs will be sent out as soon as possible. (Hi I am important friend!!! I've kidnapped your GM. You'll never see him alive again!! >:). Jk, he's alright, enjoy the game!!) Player List Spoiler @Karnage - Lance Neverwatch @Elandera Elkanah PRE Operative Leecher Misting @The Young Pyromancer - Pyria Young Shard of Reading - Reading PRE Operative Leecher/Pinnacle Twinborn Experience - Shard PRE Operative Lurcher/Bloodmaker Twinborn @Lahilt - Lahlit @Ventyl - Lafay Etteax Coda PRE Operative Seeker Misting and Hemalurgist Matrim's Dice - Lord Cauthon PRE Operative Nicroburst/Sparker Twinborn @TJ Shade - TJ Shade @Emi - Lorinne xinoehp512 - Neru Loyalist Rioter/Gasper Twinborn @Kidpen - Villin @Mist - Lumen DrakeMarshall - Lorena Blackburn PRE Operative Gasper Ferring and Thief Araris Valerian - Araris Valerian Kandra Devotary of Spontaniety - Adomert PRE Operative Slider/Sentry Twinborn @Kynedath @Walin - Lerin @Ashbringer - Faleast @The_God_King @Magestar - Reginald Kettis 6
|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 This is bad. This is baaaad. We lost a powerful combination of Nicroburst/Sparker. According to my worst case scenario, we're one mislynch away from lylo. 2 kills this cycle. What do we think? Elim kill + village coinshot misfire, or Elim kill + elim dagger kill with an inactive coinshot?
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 I don’t think we can have a dagger kill this turn. I don’t think that you can use an item the same turn you buy it, and no daggers were missing at the start of this night cycle. So I think the Coinshot missfired. Or maybe a Hemalurgist missfired/“miss”fired. I could see an ambitious Hemalurgist going after that Sparker ability, especially if Matrim was the Sparker Ventyl was talking about earlier (and therefore he had been sharing his role around). But yes, this is not good. Seven villagers down for one Elim and the Kandra’s bodyswap. Depending on how many Elims Striker threw at us (how many are there usually? Four? Five? Eight?) we may be close to half and half. And a Kandra on the loose, who doesn’t really help anybody besides being another kill we have to watch out for. Also, Elkanah was a Village Leecher. Is it odd for there to be two Village Leechers? Because Ventyl is supposed to be a Village Leecher. And he has bought at least one and possibly multiple Steel Traps. Just sayin’. @Walin, did Ventyl end up roleblocking you last night/last day? I couldn’t tell which one it was supposed to be in all the planning. I did not interfere, as far as I know. 1
|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Also, Elkanah was a Village Leecher. Is it odd for there to be two Village Leechers? Because Ventyl is supposed to be a Village Leecher. And he has bought at least one and possibly multiple Steel Traps. Three if you count Shard of Reading. I think he was Leecher/Pinnacle. Ventyl suspicion just went up (I know we shouldn't make suspicion based on distribution but 3 leechers is too much for one side and add to that his suspicious behaviour) 11 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: But yes, this is not good. Seven villagers down for one Elim and the Kandra’s bodyswap. Depending on how many Elims Striker threw at us (how many are there usually? Four? Five? Eight?) we may be close to half and half. And a Kandra on the loose, who doesn’t really help anybody besides being another kill we have to watch out for. I was taking MR42 as basis for my [(33% of total players) - 1] rule, but I think that is the worst case scenario. Maybe there are 5-6 remaining by now. So it SHOULD be easy to find them, but it's not. If this doesn't change, this game won't last long. We can't afford a mislynch, and hope that the kandra and the coinshot (if they exist and are active) to hit elims in the night turn. Edited June 13, 2020 by TJ Shade
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 I was more thinking that Ventyl claims exactly Village Leecher, with no extra roles, which would make him identical to Elkanah. (Or at least, he claimed in my PM not to be a Feruchemist. Could be Thief/Hemalurgist.) But yeah, I forgot about Reading also being a Leecher.
Elandera she/her Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: But yes, this is not good. Seven villagers down for one Elim and the Kandra’s bodyswap. Depending on how many Elims Striker threw at us (how many are there usually? Four? Five? Eight?) we may be close to half and half. And a Kandra on the loose, who doesn’t really help anybody besides being another kill we have to watch out for. 31 minutes ago, TJ Shade said: I was taking MR42 as basis for my [(33% of total players) - 1] rule, but I think that is the worst case scenario. Maybe there are 5-6 remaining by now. So it SHOULD be easy to find them, but it's not. If this doesn't change, this game won't last long. We can't afford a mislynch, and hope that the kandra and the coinshot (if they exist and are active) to hit elims in the night turn. The MR is a very unique case because of the mechanics. The standard elim ratio for SE is 20-25% based on the roles and win-cons. We can probably expect 4-5 elims in this game of 23 players. My guess is probably four elims + Kandra, especially since the Kandra essentially had an extra life. We have 14 players remaining and likely three elims remaining (four if we want to be cautious), plus the Kandra. That means we probably have at least 9 villagers left. Not great, but not terrible. The biggest problem is the inactivity. Based on kills, the elims are active, and we probably have an active coinshot.
Emi she/her Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Hi, I’m back. Sooorry for being not really active yesterday, I was on a trip. Oh, I see that elims are winning.
Ashbringer he/him Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Lord Faleast stared at the bodies they had found. On the first night, only one person had died. The next, three. Today two, except the Faceless Immortal shouldn't even be active today. That means that there was another killer loose in this mess, and while they were probably working for the PRE, they also didn't seem to be a very good job of hunting down Loyalists. No offense, he thought, in case there was a mind-reading Coinshot somewhere in this crowd. At this point, people seemed to be more worried about how many Loyalists there were than who they happened to be. Ah well, that could wait for a while until more people were around to actually talk, instead of groggily complain about their current perdicament and groggliy check to see which ones of them had a dagger wounds in their chests. Faleast was suprised that he was so awake; he was also suprised that he wasn't dead. Then again, he was usually suprised that he didn't wake up dead, daggers or no. He was fairly certain that he'd said that already. No, he'd thought that before. Okay, now he was confused. If there was a mind-reading Coinshot somewhere in this crowd, either Faleast would have died a long time ago or the Coinshot would have gone completely insane. (I think way too much about people reading my mind and then reading my mind thinking about people reading my mind. Go figure .)
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 11 hours ago, Ashbringer said: I don’t think we can have a dagger kill this turn. I don’t think that you can use an item the same turn you buy it, and no daggers were missing at the start of this night cycle. So I think the Coinshot missfired. Or maybe a Hemalurgist missfired/“miss”fired. I could see an ambitious Hemalurgist going after that Sparker ability, especially if Matrim was the Sparker Ventyl was talking about earlier (and therefore he had been sharing his role around). But yes, this is not good. Seven villagers down for one Elim and the Kandra’s bodyswap. Depending on how many Elims Striker threw at us (how many are there usually? Four? Five? Eight?) we may be close to half and half. And a Kandra on the loose, who doesn’t really help anybody besides being another kill we have to watch out for. Also, Elkanah was a Village Leecher. Is it odd for there to be two Village Leechers? Because Ventyl is supposed to be a Village Leecher. And he has bought at least one and possibly multiple Steel Traps. Just sayin’. @Walin, did Ventyl end up roleblocking you last night/last day? I couldn’t tell which one it was supposed to be in all the planning. I did not interfere, as far as I know. I didn’t go through with it, because Emi cleared it up. I probably should’ve now that I think about it...
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