Anniversary Game 6/Anonymous Game 7: We Shall All Be Changed

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

2 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said:

That's an interesting one, potentially. @Fifth Scholar, if multiple people submit the same kill, would they all get told they where successful? would only one, and if so, which one?

 

Everyone participating in a successful kill on a target is informed they have killed the target player. 

[Mauve Crocodile]

Since we are well into the cycle, I thought I’d post a vote tally:

Onyx Flamingo (1): Mauve Crocodile

[Emerald Falcon]

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"Sein?" Jesh asked in a quiet voice. "We can help you get home, if you want. You don't even have to keep helping me find Trisk. She'll probably find her own way, anyways."

Jonan nodded his assent. "If what Ellira and Errdal said is true," he said, "then I think I know how me and Jesh can find our axehounds. As curious as I am to find out more about your strange Traveler and the Light and Sol, I would be glad to help you find a way to get back home."

Sein turned around to face them.

"Thanks," he said quietly. "I...I don't have to go back immediately. I haven't found my Guardian in centuries, so a few decades give and take won't hurt. I'll help you find your axehounds first."

He updated his projection of his map, but turned off the radar display. They wouldn't need that anymore here. "Where do we need to go?"

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Come on everyone, only one page so far? We can do better than that. In the interest of promoting discussion, I am posting my impressions on every player left in the game. I hope that you will do the same.

Villagers

@Amber Vulture: Jashi, Stormwarden
Hasn't posted today. Shame! On D2, they defended Iguana and voted on Rhino as an alternative to lynching Albatross, but at the last minute switched to Lion to solidify their lynch. They also did some analysis on Rhino's posts. Slight village read.

@Amethyst Scorpion: Jesh, Lost Axehound
Most of their posts are RP. I will note, I really don't want to kill my RP partners, so that may color my reads of them. D2, they voted on Iguana. D3, they defend Lion. Their content appears to be on a relatively good level considering their sickness. Slight village read.

@Indigo Weasel : Adhom Inem, Ardent
Shaaaame! On N2, they conclude that Chameleon, Penguin, and Iguana are all probably village for lynching Zebra, but then hedge on that statement. From then, they continue to post, but not very many things relevant to the game, until D3, when they state that they scanned Albatross. It removed doubt that Albatross was lying and sped up Rhino's lynch. Maybe an elim, knowing that Rhino had an extra life, could've decided it was worth to speed up the Rhino lynch to get some trust, but I don't think it's likely. Strong village read.

@Magenta Albatross : Jonan Wikim, Lost Axehound (Gren)
Again, an RP partner, but my read on them is much stronger. Their actions paint a picture of villageryness. The msot important part is this (I've already typed the other stuff before and don't feel like tying it again): with their early losses, I don't think a rational elim team would've chosen to bus another member. Strong villager read.

@Mauve Crocodile : Sernes, Paranoid Scout
Their defense has convinced me that they actually are village. Now that we know they were a Dustbringer last cycle, their suggestion to lynch someone else and wait for a vigilante to kill Rhino looks much better. Village read.

@Opal Lion : Tnaidar, Scout
Shaaaaaaaaame! To be honest, on D2, I didn't think they were very suspicious, I just thought that both Albatross and Iguana were elim so I went for the first alternative lynch target that I think of. Now, because of how Rhino tried to push their lynch right before they were revealed, I think Lion is village. They still should post more.

@Saffron Iguana : Merinira, Scout
They flipped a lynch onto an Elim D1 and have been active since. Strong village read.

@Salmon Meerkat : Cadamum, Ghostblood Recruit
More shame! On N2, they say that they are suspicious of Vulture and trust Octopus, Falcon, and me. They also say that they wanted to look more at Rhino later, who we now know is an elim. Slight villager read for that.

NAI

@Scarlet Octopus : Max Mercury, Past Lives
Less shame, because they may have been waylaid by IRL issues. On D2, they post a massive analysis post. They want to lynch Iguana for information and state suspicion of me, which is quickly retracted. Interestingly, at the end of D2 they state that between Lion and Rhino, they would rather lynch Lion. NAI.

@Sunburst Toucan : Tafud, Slightly Crazy
They were busy with IRL stuff and came back at a time that wasn't conducive to analysis. NAI for now, waiting for more posts from them.

 

Elim

@Coral Swan: Germaine, Scholar
Hasn't posted today. Again, shame! Out of 4 Cycles, they only of 4 posts. In my PM with them, I found out that their posts are structured off of an old work of writing, which is giving them some trouble. It's a cool cosmetic role but pads out their posts so it looks like they're saying more than they actually are. On D3, they voted on Albatross for manipulating their vote and for no other given reason. Their lack of content makes them NAI, which at this point of the game I will be labeling as slightly elim by default. Overall slight elim read unless they post more. 

@Mint Heron : Sam, Once a Darkeyes
Shaaaaaaaame! On D2, they said that their relatives were gone, so they should have more time to post, but they haven't done much since. On D3, they defended Lion on the basis that Rhino had just tried to re-lynch them. Slight elim by default.

@Onyx Flamingo : Kir, Kleptomaniac Scout
More Shaaaaaaame! On N3, they defend Lion. They questioned Crocodile about their Dustbringer claim. That's it. Slight elim by default.

@Sage Kangaroo : Gilglin, Ardent (Devotary of the Mind)
All the shame! In three posts, they have said nothing that is related to the game at all. The only thing that might be related is on D2, when they post something that could be interpreted as a claim that they were a Dustbringer, or had that power. I'm not even labeling them slight elim -- Kangaroo gets to go straight to elim for the sheer uselessness of their posts.

@Taupe Gecko : Brana, Scholar
Their RP is great, their lack of posts less so. They actually have several posts, but hedge on their reads or state them as dependent on the alignment of other, still alive players. On D3, they state that they want to lynch Lion next, despite the fact that Rhino was pushing for that lynch before reveal. Elim read. Taupe Gecko.

@Violet Axolotl : Adi, Anxious
Shaaame! On D2, they vote on Albatross, with pretty good reasoning. They do a lot of summaries, which might be useful to an individual but aren't as much for others if the summary doesn't come with reads. Slight elim by default.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Emerald Falcon

[Scarlet Octopus]

I am healthy, my home is in order, I am fed, clean, and rested. Unfortunately, I have determined that in order to maintain those 5 things, I am not going to be able to spend 5 hours of every 72 doing a massive analysis post. In order for me to maintain some level of activity, enough to actually participate meaningfully and to give people a chance to read my, I am going to focus on much narrower posts, and I'm going to forgive myself for ignoring large portions of the thread, and for abandoning my detailed notes. If I try to catch up on my notes, it will be another 3 hours before I even start talking, and I will be too demotivated to play. Recognizing that, I'm going to actually speak up now.

I'm amused by the Edgedancer Messages that you guys have spoken up about in thread, but am going to largely ignore them, I doubt anyone posted anything of relevance in code.

I note that Iguana has changed their mind on Falcon, and I can't tell if that's coming from a Village!Iguana who has genuinely changed their mind, or if it's coming from an Elim!Iguana who has given up on being able to lynch Falcon, as the few others who wanted it done (Myself included) switched sides. I still think we need to Skybreak/Lynch Iguana for the information they will provide. If I don't find someone I'm actually suspicious of, I'll put my vote on them. Though, I'm also wondering that no one has Skybroke them already. There has been 2 nights now where Iguana was of interest, and 30+ possible times someone could have rolled skybreaker. I'm not going to bother with the math, I'm no good at Statistics, but I think by now someone probably already has? If they did, I could see them not revealing if they were Village, or if they were Lightwoven at the time. I think we should start revealing scans if they were Lightwoven though, as that will at least give us an idea of who is being protected/protecting.

They also talk about Crocodile. I think I missed the controversy about them, I'll have to go back any analyse them tomorrow. Crocodile has posted though, and claims to have slain Rhino. I'm fairly certain that clears them. They wouldn't claim that unless they did it, as the real Releaser would have counterclaimed. The only possible way they could get away with lying about this is if Chameleon was the dustbringer who killed Rhino and Crocodile somehow knew that. That is strong evidence that Crocodile is a Villager. I don't see a need for further discussion on the matter.

I should read the thread before I write this, as now 2 different people have said what I said in my paragraph about Iguana. At this point though, I think Iguana is either tunneling, or an elim who is struggling to find reasons to lynch people. I'm a villager struggling to find reasons to lynch people, so I know the feeling. We need more activity.

Falcon seems to have a very self aware mentality. I'm largely ambivalent about some of their reads, but disagree with their reason for reading Weasel as Village. Weasel is NAI to me, as their actions could very easily be an attempt to pocked Albatross. Amusingly Falcon also openly states they were defending Elims:

40 minutes ago, Emerald Falcon said:

@Opal Lion : Tnaidar, Scout
Shaaaaaaaaame! To be honest, on D2, I didn't think they were very suspicious, I just thought that both Albatross and Iguana were elim so I went for the first alternative lynch target that I think of. Now, because of how Rhino tried to push their lynch right before they were revealed, I think Lion is village. They still should post more.

I'm fairly certain that was just a typo, as I've made a similair one this game, but if Albatross and Iguana do turn out to both be elims, I'll come back to this.  

I do disagree with Opal being a Villager because of Rhino's actions. in this game, without dedicated protection, i think the Elims are going to be actively trying to distance themselves from teamates. I almost think it will be more likely for someone an Elim has been trying to get lynched to be an elim then for someone they're defending to be.

I still disagree on trusting Iguana, though I'm worried that I'm just tunneling on the amount of information their death will bring.

Oh they analysed me. I don't recall saying that, let me go find the post you're talking about:

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for now I'm going to just toss my vote on, uh... Wow. Albatross, Lion, Toucan, Iguana and Rhino are up for lynch. I've already said why i don't want to lynch Albatross, Toucan or Iguana right now. That leaves Lion and Rhino. I don't like either of them either, they're both pretty active, and I don't have any read on either. But Rhino has less votes and more posts, so I'll put Lion closer to the lead. I don't think I'm going to change my vote to Albatross unless someone else does first.

Eh, my reasoning there is pretty clear. I did vote on Lion instead of Rhino, arguably ultimately causing Lion to be lynched that day, but I was attempting to save Albatross with that vote.

While talking about Coral swan, you mention putting them down as an Elim because their content is NAI. How are Toucan and I different from that? Is it just because of IRL things?

I do agree on your reads of Flamingo and Gecko though, assuming everything you say in their recaps is true. I'll check their posts out tommorow and see what I turn up.

Of note though @Emerald Falcon, I don't think you realize how abrasive and just plain mean your read of Kangaroo comes across as. While I would like for them to post more player discussion, any amount of RP still increases Net Fun the game causes. If RP is the only way someone can connect with the games, then people should not be insulted for that. We are a part of the Role-Playing Sub Forum. 

[Emerald Falcon]

12 minutes ago, Scarlet Octopus said:

I am healthy, my home is in order, I am fed, clean, and rested. Unfortunately, I have determined that in order to maintain those 5 things, I am not going to be able to spend 5 hours of every 72 doing a massive analysis post. In order for me to maintain some level of activity, enough to actually participate meaningfully and to give people a chance to read my, I am going to focus on much narrower posts, and I'm going to forgive myself for ignoring large portions of the thread, and for abandoning my detailed notes. If I try to catch up on my notes, it will be another 3 hours before I even start talking, and I will be too demotivated to play. Recognizing that, I'm going to actually speak up now.

I'm amused by the Edgedancer Messages that you guys have spoken up about in thread, but am going to largely ignore them, I doubt anyone posted anything of relevance in code.

I note that Iguana has changed their mind on Falcon, and I can't tell if that's coming from a Village!Iguana who has genuinely changed their mind, or if it's coming from an Elim!Iguana who has given up on being able to lynch Falcon, as the few others who wanted it done (Myself included) switched sides. I still think we need to Skybreak/Lynch Iguana for the information they will provide. If I don't find someone I'm actually suspicious of, I'll put my vote on them. Though, I'm also wondering that no one has Skybroke them already. There has been 2 nights now where Iguana was of interest, and 30+ possible times someone could have rolled skybreaker. I'm not going to bother with the math, I'm no good at Statistics, but I think by now someone probably already has? If they did, I could see them not revealing if they were Village, or if they were Lightwoven at the time. I think we should start revealing scans if they were Lightwoven though, as that will at least give us an idea of who is being protected/protecting.

They also talk about Crocodile. I think I missed the controversy about them, I'll have to go back any analyse them tomorrow. Crocodile has posted though, and claims to have slain Rhino. I'm fairly certain that clears them. They wouldn't claim that unless they did it, as the real Releaser would have counterclaimed. The only possible way they could get away with lying about this is if Chameleon was the dustbringer who killed Rhino and Crocodile somehow knew that. That is strong evidence that Crocodile is a Villager. I don't see a need for further discussion on the matter.

I should read the thread before I write this, as now 2 different people have said what I said in my paragraph about Iguana. At this point though, I think Iguana is either tunneling, or an elim who is struggling to find reasons to lynch people. I'm a villager struggling to find reasons to lynch people, so I know the feeling. We need more activity.

Falcon seems to have a very self aware mentality. I'm largely ambivalent about some of their reads, but disagree with their reason for reading Weasel as Village. Weasel is NAI to me, as their actions could very easily be an attempt to pocked Albatross. Amusingly Falcon also openly states they were defending Elims:

I'm fairly certain that was just a typo, as I've made a similair one this game, but if Albatross and Iguana do turn out to both be elims, I'll come back to this.  

I do disagree with Opal being a Villager because of Rhino's actions. in this game, without dedicated protection, i think the Elims are going to be actively trying to distance themselves from teamates. I almost think it will be more likely for someone an Elim has been trying to get lynched to be an elim then for someone they're defending to be.

I still disagree on trusting Iguana, though I'm worried that I'm just tunneling on the amount of information their death will bring.

Oh they analysed me. I don't recall saying that, let me go find the post you're talking about:

Eh, my reasoning there is pretty clear. I did vote on Lion instead of Rhino, arguably ultimately causing Lion to be lynched that day, but I was attempting to save Albatross with that vote.

While talking about Coral swan, you mention putting them down as an Elim because their content is NAI. How are Toucan and I different from that? Is it just because of IRL things?

I do agree on your reads of Flamingo and Gecko though, assuming everything you say in their recaps is true. I'll check their posts out tommorow and see what I turn up.

Of note though @Emerald Falcon, I don't think you realize how abrasive and just plain mean your read of Kangaroo comes across as. While I would like for them to post more player discussion, any amount of RP still increases Net Fun the game causes. If RP is the only way someone can connect with the games, then people should not be insulted for that. We are a part of the Role-Playing Sub Forum. 

The part about Albatross and Iguana both being elims is a typo. Or is it?

When players haven't posted much, I give them a lot of leeway if they have stated IRL reasons for their lack of activity. If not, I see if their posts have anything that engages with the alignment of other players, such as trusts, suspicions, defenses, and votes. I've noticed that sometimes eliminators will post material related to other things, such as role distribution or banter, but state very little on whether they believe other players are village or eliminator. Thus, players like Swan who have a medium level of posts but comparatively low amount of information read as more suspicious to me.

I don't intend to disparage Kangaroo for their RP. However, the problem is that they haven't engaged with the game in any other way that I know of, even voting on Rhino, who was an obvious place to put a vote if they had no other idea of what to do. If they are attempting to give that information through their RP or some other gimmick, then it's not working. I'm not opposed to players filtering all their posts through something like RP, code, or High Imperial, but I believe that if it's not obvious that they are filtering their thoughts this way, then there should at least be a warning or other statement of intent. If @Sage Kangaroo said that this lack of content is because they are too busy IRL to do much else, or a byproduct of trying to make all their thoughts fit through narration of someone slowly going mad, then I would be much more forgiving. However, since they haven't stated anything of the sort, I assume that the lack of content is an end in itself, which is inherently suspicious.

[Coral Swan]

To the clean all things are clean, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is clean; in fact, both their minds and their consciences are tainted. They claim to know Honor, but by their deeds they deny him. They are vile and disobedient and unqualified for any good deed.

Amethyst Scorpion

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Sorry for my lack of real contribution so far. Mobile is terribly difficult when it comes to keeping up and especially contributing, and I'm not around my computer often.

I agree with Falcon's assessment. Chameleon isn't necessarily cleared, as it could have been an accidental bussing situation. Removing the vote without much cause would have likely drawn more attention than necessary, in the case of elim!Chameleon.

We could also look more at those in the opposing lynches. It's possibly some of those who tried swinging things away were trying to protect their worldhopper.

My theory is that no Voidbringers voted on Cycle One. Therefore, trying to lead the village against those who voted is suspicious. In addition, Scorpion tried to throw suspicion on Chameleon, which we now know to be innacurate. @Amethyst Scorpion do you have a rebuttal?

[Amethyst Scorpion]

26 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:

To the clean all things are clean, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is clean; in fact, both their minds and their consciences are tainted. They claim to know Honor, but by their deeds they deny him. They are vile and disobedient and unqualified for any good deed.

Amethyst Scorpion

My theory is that no Voidbringers voted on Cycle One. Therefore, trying to lead the village against those who voted is suspicious. In addition, Scorpion tried to throw suspicion on Chameleon, which we now know to be innacurate. @Amethyst Scorpion do you have a rebuttal?

I wasn't actually suspicious of Chameleon, just refuting suggestions that they were cleared for Zebra's lynch. I wasn't the only one, either. Even Pearl did that. I felt people needed reminding that a single vote placed relatively early on D1 is often a distancing vote when done by an elim. Sometimes, those votes gain traction with others, leading to an unintended lynch. The elim with the first vote may not be able to remove the distancing vote without a ton of suspicion, so they leave it, opting for a bus that will lose one member but may gain another trust.

[Mauve Crocodile]

44 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:

My theory is that no Voidbringers voted on Cycle One. Therefore, trying to lead the village against those who voted is suspicious. In addition, Scorpion tried to throw suspicion on Chameleon, which we now know to be innacurate. @Amethyst Scorpion do you have a rebuttal?

What is the basis for this theory? D1 voting, in my experience at least, is far more influenced by play style than by alignment. 

[Sage Kangaroo]

Echo Chamber. Crying. Out. Alone. Bouncing. Return. Bouncing. Return. Eye Contact. Eye. Direction. Inward.

 

Gilglin looked. At the Highstorm.
The Highstorm looked. At everything.
Gilglin ran. Away.
The Highstorm stared. At everything. At people. Was people.
Gilglin was covered. In waves. Of bodies.
The people observed. At everything. Talked. Of everything. Whispered. Of everything. Schemed. Of everything. Screamed. Of everything.

 

Awakening. Relief. Pain. Consciousness. Control. Grasp. Gasp. Lift. Pull. Push. Extricate. Elevation. Observation. Ordinary. Normalcy.

[Saffron Iguana]

I'm doing a quick update on my reads. This won't be anywhere near as expansive as I did two cycles back (I'll probably do another extended reads list next cycle if I'ms till allive).

First of all, I'm reading Magenta Albatross as soft-cleared village, for their taking down of Rhino.

I'm reading crocodile as village purely on tone, as I discussed at length earlier today.

I'm also village reading vulture, mostly based on our PM, and if I can get PM's back I think I can move them to soft-cleared status once I corroborate some of their claims.

I'm slightly reading meerkat as village because of their stated suspicion of Rhino, but its far less solid than my read on Albatross because they never got the chance to show whether their suspicion was genuine before the point was made moot.

After that, Falcon, Scorpion and Octopus are all active and contributing, but they're all kinda in the category where I won't really trust them until they catch an elim, because there's a handful off players(off which I consider myself to be one) that are very good at appearing 'active, analyzing and solving the game' while also being elims, and the easiest way to differentiate one from they other is to see if they actually succeed at catching any elims. I don't want to lynch any of them right now as none have done anything to make me suspicious, but I'm not really comfortable village-reading them right now. 

After that, there's the 'meh' category. These people have spoken up enough that they can't really be considered inactive, but they haven't said and done enough for me to get a read on them. This category is populated by mint heron and onyx flamingo.

Before I get to my suspicions, sage kangaroo, coral swan, sunburst toucan and axolotl haven't spoken enough to allow for any sort of categorization and are either borderline inactive, or have just not said anything game related. Falcon already pointed out why that could be suspicious, but I think there is a noteworthy difference between 'suspicious by default' and 'suspicious because of things said and done', so I'm putting them in a separate category.

With that out of the way, let's get to my suspicions.

I already called out indigo weasel's hedging statement N1. Since then, he has made 6 posts, 5 of which didn't really contain much game related at all. This seems to me like someone trying to keep up the appearance of activity without actually saying anything.

I'm suspicious of Lion for their same hedging around me, as they where getting in a position to either vote on me or not, depending on whether the lynch on me took off. I'm also not convinced that Rhino's vote cleared him, as that vote only occurred after Lion had already been at the receiving end of one big lynch train, so it wasn't unreasonable to expect another one to form, so any elim wanting to bus could have decided to get on early.

I'm somewhat agreeing with falcons read on Gecko as well, though I disagree that their vote on Lion was suspicious.

I'm fine with lynching any of the above three, but my preference goes to either Lion or Gecko, because those lynches could earn usa bit more info. If we lynch gecko and he flips elim, falcon and Lion are pretty much cleared. If we lynch Lion and he flips elim it throws some serious suspicion on all those that declared him cleared because of Rhino's vote, while making those still suspicious of him and willing to act on that look more village.

On the other hand, if we lynch Gecko and he flips village, we don't really learn all that much. If Lion flips village, it gives some more perspective on his lynch D2, specifically whether Lion could have been chosen as an alternative to a prospective rhino lynch by the elims.

Because I think the lion lynch will be more informative irrespective of how Lion flips, I'm voting on him now, but I'm willing to change to either weasel or Gecko if the Lion lynch doesn't work out.

[Indigo Weasel]

If anyone has gotten Skybreaker and scanned someone, could they please announce the results of their scan? Assuming they're a villager, there's really no downside. Have Albatross and I really been the only people to announce our scans in the thread?

[Saffron Iguana]

8 minutes ago, Indigo Weasel said:

If anyone has gotten Skybreaker and scanned someone, could they please announce the results of their scan? Assuming they're a villager, there's really no downside. Have Albatross and I really been the only people to announce our scans in the thread?

There are some downsides, namely in giving elims 'confirmed villagers' to shoot at. Until someone flips, there's also no real guarantees of how true a scan is. I think it's better to keep village scan results to yourself unless the villager is threatened by a lynch, or until we've likely reached a 'critical mass' of scans (1-2 more cycles, I think) that the scans added together might allow for the game to be solved on the spot.

[Violet Axolotl]

Hm. I don't have the brain space right now to do my usual breakdown of events so I'm just going to ramble some thoughts out there since I can't do that in pms currently and because yeah I guess I really haven't posted much in thread. Appologies.

Last day I was highly suspicious of Albatross. I dont feel the same way now.  To be honest I really don't know who to be suspicious of currently. It feels like we've killed off the elims so fast that now theres very little information to analyze regarding their interactions with people, except for Rhino, but Rhino was delightfully trolly so now I don't know what to think about particular people if I'm honest (what are you supposed to think when a known eliminator asks you what you think of some very specific people >> ). In my pms with Rhino, they were suspicious of  Albatross from d1 which probably helped motivate my suspicion in them but at the same time, distancing via being suspicious of a teammate is a perfectly good strategy... but to go as far as thinking maybe there was some convuluted plan where albatross intentionally busses a teammate for trust but no I don't think so. Albatross I'm willing to trust.

Also i assume those codes are intended for someome specific who knows the cipher and all. But. Why so many codes. When thered been so many pms. Why the need for codes... (also the troll edgedancer with the links and stuff- I chuckled and bounced many kittens)

Oh yeah. For when theres the cycles with pms, i highly encourage people to pop in and say hi- I'm relatively active in pms. Though possibly no pms availible would help make me actually be active in thread sigh. This is irrelevant though. I just am grumbling about the loss of pms.

Oh- someone mentioned villager scans. Agreed about the only if they're relevant do you reveal, so to avoid us wasting a lynch or something. Although I guess that doesn't stop dustbringers. Additionally- how do you know the scanner is actually telling the truth? An odiminion could 'scan' another odiminion and woaaaw now we trust both! Scans are fantastic for building trust groups but thread knowing is dangerous.

Also the lack of mentioned scans could also be people not rolling it, hitting people who are hiding that info- the smokers, uhh whats the roles name...lightweaver! Or the people they scanned went and died already (rip Gorilla)

Iiii need to really go read threads though. My summary things were more so for my own benefit so I could work out what on earth was actually going on >> i need to do another I think and then hey maybe I'll post again this cycle! Imagine that

Okay bye

[Amber Vulture]

I'm still here, though I find myself not able to concentrate.

Removing Albatross, Iguana, and Crocodile(unless someone else claims to have killed Rhino) for now.

I don't believe elim teammates Scorpion and Rhino would immediately team up to lynch Iguana D2 without concrete signs that there would be village support. It would certainly be a bold strategy, but wouldn't look great if Iguana actually died and turned out to be village.

Coral and Axolotl's votes on Albatross D2 look strange because pretty much the only way Albatross could be evil is if they saw Iguana's vote for Zebra at the last moment and changed their order at the last minute to ensure that Zebra died when it would be so easy to shift Iguana's vote and claim self-defense.

Weasel should not be soft-cleared just for announcing that Albatross was scanned as village. Still, it's not unreasonable that there were three Skybreakers C2(unless it was a C1 scan).

That's what I can remember without extensive rereading, which I'll probably do at some point.
 

[Emerald Falcon]

In light of what you all have said, I am bumping Weasel down to NAI on my list. Additionally, I have reconsidered Axolotl, and if they are who I think they are, then their lack of posts is more NAI than suspicious.

[Magenta Albatross]

9 minutes ago, Emerald Falcon said:

In light of what you all have said, I am bumping Weasel down to NAI on my list. Additionally, I have reconsidered Axolotl, and if they are who I think they are, then their lack of posts is more NAI than suspicious.

I'm pretty sure I know who Axolotl is as well. Not just from their posts, but from our PM as well. So nothing they've done so far has really been super suspicious to me because of that. 

Of course, if they aren't who I think they are, then things might be a little bit different.

[Sunburst Toucan]

Axolotl is Axolotl, right?

[Indigo Weasel]

9 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Additionally- how do you know the scanner is actually telling the truth? An odiminion could 'scan' another odiminion and woaaaw now we trust both! Scans are fantastic for building trust groups but thread knowing is dangerous.

You don't. They're valuable because if one of the odiminions claims that, and one of the two dies, then we know to lynch the other person.

[Emerald Falcon]

A scanner who claims that someone is a Sympathizer is almost guaranteed to be telling the truth, unless we are at LyLo, because we can easily check through kills or lynching. They themselves are not guaranteed to be village, but with the number of Sympathizers left, I don't think they would want to intentionally cut down on their numbers even more. Conversely, a scanner who claims that someone is village should not be relied on so much, because we don't want to kill the person they claim is village.

[Emerald Falcon]

We have six hours until rollover and no serious contenders for the lynch. That's worrying. I know that we're starting to enter the mid-game slump, but that's no excuse. We had less information on D2 but were still willing to lynch someone. In fact, we don't even have as much RP as we did on D2. It's even further away from Christmas than it was then, so we have no excuse.

I've heard a lot of thoughts on Albatross, Weasel, and Crocodile. Nothing on the person I am proposing we lynch, Taupe Gecko. With only one to three elims left, I don't think it's safe to say this lack of a defense is a point in their favor. What do you all think of them? Between Lion and Gecko, who would you rather lynch? If neither, who else?

Edited January 6, 2020 by Emerald Falcon

[Coral Swan]

Vote Count:
Onyx Flamingo (1): Mauve Crocodile
Taupe Gecko (1): Emerald Falcon
Amethyst Scorpion (1): Coral Swan
Opal Lion (1): Saffron Iguana

Therefore, putting away falsehood, speak the truth, each one to his neighbor, for we are members one of another. Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun set on your anger, and do not leave room for Odium. The lurker must no longer lurk, but rather vote, doing honest work with his own voice, so that he may have something to share with one in need. No trepidation should come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for needed edification, that it may impart grace to those who hear.

My vote on Amethyst Scorpion is going nowhere, so I will echo the calls against Taupe Gecko. They didn't vote day one, have been generally cagey about their reads. They also kick-started the Opal Lion lynch train, which seems to have been an evil ploy.

[Magenta Albatross]

I’ve been having a pretty rough past couple days, so I’ve been pretty out of it. Plus the fact that not as much discussion’s been happening and there’s no PMs. It’s all just led to me feeling really worn out with the game right now.

I’d rather not vote for anyone, but that leaves the vote up to be manipulated by elims. So, Gecko. I still think Lion is probably village based on how hard Rhino went on them (though wouldn’t be opposed to someone dusting them tonight just to make sure, which could give us some insight on other players depending on how they flip). I don’t even remember anything about Flamingo, so I don’t feel comfortable putting them up for the lynch. Plus, it just ties them with Gecko and gives the elims more control over the lynch.

So I’ll leave it at this. Maybe I’ll reread the thread, but I kinda need to sleep. We’ll see how it goes.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

I'll join the Gecko lynch. I've looked back on some of their and Rhino's posts. Gecko was one of two (?) people Rhino called out specifically after being outed. Rhino said something to the order of Gecko not mentioning Rhino, which could have been a distancing effort. I also don't like that Gecko is insistent that Lion is elim.

[Violet Axolotl]

10 hours ago, Emerald Falcon said:

In light of what you all have said, I am bumping Weasel down to NAI on my list. Additionally, I have reconsidered Axolotl, and if they are who I think they are, then their lack of posts is more NAI than suspicious.

10 hours ago, Magenta Albatross said:

I'm pretty sure I know who Axolotl is as well. Not just from their posts, but from our PM as well. So nothing they've done so far has really been super suspicious to me because of that. 

Of course, if they aren't who I think they are, then things might be a little bit different.

10 hours ago, Sunburst Toucan said:

Axolotl is Axolotl, right?

Yes 
Although I wont say no to being taken as less suspicious from people suspecting they know the name behind the face and all that, the point of an anon game is to not treat players based on their 'normal' play styles and stuff so feel free to stay suspicious Plus, always wise to be cautious , regardless of if its the usual for someone or not.
 

The Day of the Opal Lion lynch: (why Lion got lynched)(as far as I can tell) (because I need a tldr for it because on reflection I couldn't recall why it even happened or started)

Spoiler

 

• First vote: Falcon- Disagreed with Lions reasoning regarding Iguana, analysed their posts- found their distributional talk mildly sus, finds lions voteless suspicion on iguana sus, overall finds lion to have little content or commitment which could be an elim hiding {IMO could be case. Also early game suspicions are difficult given so little to go off of so I can relate to not wanting to commit to votes on people you aren’t actually fully convinced of}
• Second vote: Gecko- didn’t like the current lynch candidates, explains why. Joins falcon agreeing that Lion was being a little vague and non committal and staying under the radary.
• Vulture vote Rhino {Interesting to note that this was prior to rhino being revealed as evil}  they didn’t find Lions posts that suspicious so that's why they looked at Rhino instead as far as I can tell. Found Rhino suspicious due to the pushing for toucan and iguanas alignments being linked. {Vulture may be good. I’ll give them my trust for now}
• Third vote: Octopus. Moves vote off of Falcon, looks for a better option, doesn’t like any of the options, is less opposed to the lion or Rhino lynches but there's not many votes on Rhino and they have more posts so just voted lion instead {curious. Not great reasoning there but at least they voted. Amount of votes on lion i guess meant that if they wanted someone other than albatross toucan or iguana lynched that was the better option rather than necessarily voting  on a non teammate if they were evil. I’ll give them a pass but the lack of voting for someone they really wanted dead is a little ehhh}
• Fourth vote: Albatross votes Lion instead of toucan. {Not much reasoning given at all other that might help them survive, which is fair enough given they were a lynch target (I’m sorry)}
• Vulture swaps vote on Rhino to Lion because they don’t want Albatross lynched
• Overall thoughts: Lion lynch was basically a ‘you haven’t been super committed in your posts and votes but honestly we just don’t like the other lynch options sorry’

 

 

 

 

My thoughts on people {these are rushed because I lost track of time and oh look its end of cycle aaah}

Spoiler

 

Probably Good maybe, we’ll see:

Violet Axolotl: Hello. It's me. I am me, you are you. We are we. I am me! Apparently you know I am me? Who is me, but me.  A violet Axolotl
Amber Vulture: As mentioned previously voted rhino pre the scan so i’m leaning good on them
Mauve Crocodile: Claims to be the one who dustbringered Rhino. I feel an eliminator would have used that kill for something more productive, like killing off a talky villager so assuming Crocs being truthful, mild trust because someone could still lie about that. Also in general I'm feeling a villagery feel I think. For now.
Magenta Albatross: Since their scan got an elim killed, they’re most likely definitely good, especially since Rhino was so against them since day 1  (at least, in my pms, i don’t recall if that was in thread too) Plus apparently they were scanned as village so there's that.
Indigo Weasel:  Apparently scanned albatross as village which helped give trust to the rhino lynch being true. They feel villagery to me.
Saffron Iguana: I personally think their good from the zebra lynch, plus Rhino voted them up to be tied with toucan previously
Opal Lion: Got lynched for not committing in their posts or something, see initial tldr thing because I was confused where that lynch came from. I think they’re possibly village? Although not telling us it was a wasted lynch beforehand was a little annoying but ah well. At least we didn’t lose a villager?
Emerald Falcon:  I’ve gotten a good feeling from their posts so i’m willing to say leaning vilalgery

No clue:

Sunburst Toucan: Given Rhino seemed happy to have iguana and Toucan tied for lynch in a previous cycle, chances are they may be both innocent? Unless that was protecting toucan. I’m not sure actually.  Currently a neutral, leaning positive feel from toucan.
Amethyst Scorpion:  Not really sure if i’m honest. Leaning more village than suspicious based on the posts I can recall. Need to look into them more >>
Scarlet Octopus: Some interesting stats and stuff which is useful. Although I will note stats isn’t necessarily alignment indicative. But I’ve liked their posts. When choosing between lion and rhino they picked lion as i mentioned earlier which is interesting, but they said this was because lion lynch was more likely, still could be protecting rhino I guess. Neutral read

Mint Heron: Haven’t heard much from them at all.

Coral Swan: dunno. They have an interesting post style though. Interesting theory that no odiminions voted Cycle 1, which I possibly would disagree with since they’re the ones who want a mislynch to happen the most but I guess not giving any information to people is a thing too. Neutral

Sage Kangaroo: No idea
 

Taupe Gecko: Getting lynched for not voting day one apparently..? And been cagey about reads apparently. I guess they did essentially just repeat Falcons reasoning for voting on lion when that lynch happened. I don’t really know personally,  Bah I did not leave enough time to actually think about the current lynch apologies. I don’t personally feel suspicious of them, but I have no idea. 

Onyx Flamingo: Not a clue as of yet

Salmon Meerkat: I LEFT MYSELF NO TIME AND YOU WERE LAST ON MY LIST SORRY I’LL GET TO YOU ANOTHER CYCLE - neutral >>

 

 

 

NO VOTE ACK BYE

Edited January 6, 2020 by Violet Axolotl
Fixing the formatting because El said i could. (thanks it bothered me >>)

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

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