Anniversary Game 6/Anonymous Game 7: We Shall All Be Changed

[Magenta Albatross]

2 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said:

To be clear Mauve Crocodile, your claim is that you scanned Rhino as an elim, correct? @Mauve Crocodile

Uhhh, I don't think they're claiming that at all, really. I'm the one who claimed that last turn. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

~

Jonan followed Sein and Jesh as they went towards another room. He watched Sein look out a window, watching as a group of skyeels soared through the skies, then as a Windrunner followed them. The strange spren almost seemed sad, the blue glow that he assumed must be its eyes even appeared to dim. 

"Sein?" Jesh asked in a quiet voice. "We can help you get home, if you want. You don't even have to keep helping me find Trisk. She'll probably find her own way, anyways."

Jonan nodded his assent. "If what Ellira and Errdal said is true," he said, "then I think I know how me and Jesh can find our axehounds. As curious as I am to find out more about your strange Traveler and the Light and Sol, I would be glad to help you find a way to get back home."

@Amethyst Scorpion @Emerald Falcon

 

[Mauve Crocodile]

My claim is that during last cycle, I didn't know what Rhino's role was. Thus, my suggestion to kill him at Night was not a subtle attempt to keep him alive for another cycle. However, I made a snarky comment saying that a way to know Rhino's role that didn't involve being an elim would be to have scanned him as a Skybreaker (except this is false, and is causing lots of confusion).

[Emerald Falcon]

8 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

Actually, I could have known this if I scanned him last cycle (but that is beside the point).

 

5 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

However, I made a snarky comment saying that a way to know Rhino's role that didn't involve being an elim would be to have scanned him as a Skybreaker (except this is false, and is causing lots of confusion).

Maybe my sarcasm detector needs recalibration, but your earlier statement doesn't sound like snark. It sounds like you're backing off from your previous statement. It's not helping your case here.

As for why I want Rhino dead so badly: I have seen what an outed elim can do if left alive. They troll, obfuscate, and bog up the thread. They can still send in orders. They can discuss plans with the rest of their team. And if their tongue is silver, their words honeyed, and their presence slippery, they can continually give the village reasons to avoid killing them this cycle until they reach the end of the game and win. Call me paranoid, but I have seen it happen multiple times before. I don't want to see it happen again.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

33 minutes ago, Emerald Falcon said:

 

Maybe my sarcasm detector needs recalibration, but your earlier statement doesn't sound like snark. It sounds like you're backing off from your previous statement. It's not helping your case here.

As for why I want Rhino dead so badly: I have seen what an outed elim can do if left alive. They troll, obfuscate, and bog up the thread. They can still send in orders. They can discuss plans with the rest of their team. And if their tongue is silver, their words honeyed, and their presence slippery, they can continually give the village reasons to avoid killing them this cycle until they reach the end of the game and win. Call me paranoid, but I have seen it happen multiple times before. I don't want to see it happen again.

But how often did a teammate pipe up with the reasoning/suggestions to delay the elim's death?

I'll be honest, the suspicion on Croc seems very much like my own suspicion of Iguana D2. While in some ways the actions could seem condemning, when you take a step back use Occam's Razor, it doesn't make sense.

Why would an elim risk outing themself with such a bold suggestion that would obviously bring down questions? Especially when two elims are dead and another outed. It's possible that after Rhino, there's only one (though more likely at least two). That kind of move would have guaranteed an elim loss (or the loss of yet another teammate so early).

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

The night is over! New turn will be up shortly. 

[Elbereth she/her]

Day 4: A Dangerous Blade

When Logalog disappeared, the Radiants scattered in dismay. “Where’d he go?” “What the storms...?”

But a few recognized what happened - those who had gone for Tnaidar the day before, for instance, quickly realized that it was exactly the same phenomenon. But even fewer knew what to do about that - even if he was in the Cognitive Realm, how were they supposed to find him?

But one girl smiled. She had a plan.

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Logalog couldn’t go nearly as far as he’d wanted to before he had to drop back into the city. Landing hard in a corridor that looked... well, the same as any other corridor in this city. Boring.

He sniffed the air, and coughed at the amount of dust he’d stirred up in his landing. Still, no immediate dangers was a start. Now he just had to figure out how to get back to Mossflower... The scary shadow lady had said Odium could send him back, but he was beginning to wonder if this Odium person even would.

Still. He didn’t see many other options at this point. Maybe he’d at least go back to the lady and ask her for a concrete number - how many of these Radiants exactly did he have to kill for his side of the bargain filled? He hoped not too many more. They were quite pesky, honestly. 

For now, though, Logalog settled down with his rapier beside him. No one knew where he was, and he was tired - shame on him, getting tired after only a bit of rowing! His tribe would laugh for days when he got back.

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Purrl crept through the corridors. She knew the... shrew, he’d said he was? Strange word, that... couldn’t have gotten far. The Cognitive Realm was taxing even with preparation, and she somehow doubted he’d prepared in advance for the event of being chased by a dozen (rightfully) murderous Radiants.

So, he wasn’t far. And if she was lucky, he’d landed - deliberately or not - in a vacant area, which meant he was the only lifeform for a ways. Which itself meant...

She pulled out another vial of Bronze and downed it. Seeking wasn’t quite the same here, but she’d had plenty of practice. She couldn’t do anything as fine as distinguishing Radiant orders yet - she could barely determine planet if she tried - but just sensing the presence of some kind of magic? Simple. And given how Logalog had disappeared, he definitely had some kind of magic.

All she had to do was keep walking until something...

She stopped and closed her eyes, concentrating. One floor up - maybe two? And a little... she walked forward with her eyes still closed, hands in front of her to make sure she didn’t hit anything too hard. Forward, a bit left, a bit further... there.

One floor up, definitely. She grinned, marking the place mentally - one of the advantage of so much scouting was that she was learning the layout of Urithiru like the back of her hand. Then she turned, running lightly for the nearest stairwell. Logalog was hers.

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Logalog stirred from his sleep earlier than a human could’ve, his ears picking up light footsteps - trying to be quiet, clearly, but their lack of furred paws made it a doomed attempt. Why don’t they just put fur on their shoes? he wondered briefly, before dismissing the thought and grabbing his rapier.

Only one person, though, just around the next bed. And they’d clearly found him despite the fact that he was in a completely vacant and uninteresting section of Urithiru, meaning they probably could again. No point in running, then.

He grinned. A fight, then. Fantastic.

On feet far quieter than his assailant’s, he padded forward, then lunged forward around the corner of the hallway, rapier out in front of him.

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Purrl yelped at the sudden pain in her arm and hurriedly backed away from the giant furred animal. She’d been so focused on approaching quietly that she hadn’t heard or sensed him coming nearer.

At least it had been her safehand arm. The things were really quite impractical, she thought for the hundredth time. She could fix that, but she hadn’t realized she was so close - she’d been waiting to down her vials until truly necessary, since getting them on Roshar was annoyingly difficult. She’d hoped, really, that she’d be able to catch the shrew sleeping.

Ah well. She fumbled for her belt, keeping her eyes on the shrew, and grabbed a vial as he lunged at her.

 

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Logalog chortled in delight. Not only was his attacker all alone, she was Purrl! The one who’d gone after Arauna a couple of days ago! Perhaps that’d count extra with Re-Shephir. And she didn’t even seem armed - she tried to grab something from her belt, so he lunged at her to throw her off.

She managed anyway, but all that was in her hand was... a little bottle of some sort? She downed it in a practiced motion, without even taking her eyes off him, then frowned and tried to reach for her belt again.

This time, he lunged close in enough to nearly nick her wrist before she drew it back. He grinned, darting his rapier closer and closer to her. She really was unarmed, wasn’t she? She wasn’t even showing any of that weird magic or anything.

He lunged in for the kill.

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Purrl swore mentally. She’d intended to grab pewter, to stave off the pain from her arm and give her enough speed to grab a few other vials as well, but he’d thrown off her hand. She’d ended up with iron, which was decidedly less useful.

At least it wasn’t gold, she chided herself. This will have to do. She went for another vial, but he was too fast. Lord Ruler, how is he so fast?

She hadn’t been trained for this, she reflected bitterly. She was supposed to be an informant, not a rusting warrior!

But she knew enough to know when he stopped toying and went for her. Panicked, she Pulled his rapier towards her, trying to at least throw off his aim.

She was only partly successful. The rapier flew past and clattered to the ground far behind her, but it sliced into the side of her neck as it did. Rusts, rusts, rusts! Purrl pressed her safehand against the side of her neck, trying to stem the flow of blood, but she knew she didn’t have long. She’d have to make this count.

She closed her eyes and focused. Then she flared iron, Pulling the rapier behind her as hard as she could, and immediately fell to the side.

Laying down really felt nice, she thought groggily, her left hand slackening as she lost the ability to press it tight.

But she smiled, because her last sight was the rapier embedding itself deep in Logalog’s chest. 

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In the city of legends where Radiants go,

The paths are fraught with danger. 

Its ways are long and hard and slow,

Through foe and hostile stranger. 

A Radiant’s heart must never fail, 

Or falter in his oaths. 

But those who live to tell the tale,

Have strength and Honour both. 

 

Twixt sky and sky where few birds fly

I look above to see 

A city set above the clouds—

Impossibility! 

Within it as the dawn breaks clear 

Its sleepers come awake, 

See red blood flow, a shrew lies dead,

An oath-destroying snake.

So fly and sing, the Almighty is King.

In stony levels high above, 

The blade struck well and true. 

But still deep-set, see lurking yet

Another snake or two. 

Below, the earth is changing shape:

Red storms of colour deep

Threaten the lifted teeth of land

Into the sea to sweep. 

So fly and sing, the Almighty is King.

Beyond this, much is lost to mist,

But here and there I see 

A treachery of shadowed men—

‘Tis no rest for the free. 

O fellow Radiants of the land, 

Swear true and do not fall. 

So onward search the caverns deep,

E’en where the Unmade calls. 

So fly and sing, the Almighty is King.

The days are growing darker, see

The beacon shining bright

Of you, O Radiants, men of old,

The guardians in the night.

Men leave you as you journey on,

But your Oaths fulfilled be

Till sky and water clash in might, 

And sun drown in the sea. 

So fly and sing, the Almighty is King.

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Pearl Chameleon (Purrl) was a Loyal Knight Radiant Worldhopper!
Plum Rhinoceros (Logalog) was a Odium Sympathizer Worldhopper!

 

PMs are CLOSED.

Edgedancer Messages

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tp:/w.otb.o/ac?=H5JRA

 

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The following is in code:

Ug tiy vsb trsf ygud, uy'd s oiubykrdd nrddshr. Y gsbr bi drvtryd eityg dgstubh.

Fiby ytydy Gskvib.

 

 

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hts/wwyuuecmwthvogSYH0

 

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I'm going to be really annoyed if Rhino is still alive by the time this gets posted.

zsc hemk gth brTuka f kmon fg lwmrty

 

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OPEN YOUR MIND

THE INFINITE AWAITS

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Day 3 has begun and will end in 47 hours at 1am Pacific Time on January 6th. Credit to Fifth for the poems, which are fantastic. 

Player List
1. Amber Vulture: Jashi, Stormwarden
2. Amethyst Scorpion: Jesh, Lost Axehound
3. Chartreuse Penguin: Taladir, Gambler Radiant Worldhopper
4. Coral Swan: Germaine, Scholar
5. Cream Tuatara: Dfyan, Scholar Radiant Worldhopper
6. Emerald Falcon: Sein, Inquisitive
7. Indigo Weasel: Adhom Inem, Ardent
8. Ivory Dragonfly: Krask, Conspiracy Theorist Sympathizer Worldhopper
9. Magenta Albatross: Jonan Wikim, Lost Axehound (Gren)
10. Mauve Crocodile: Sernes, Paranoid Scout
11. Mint Heron: Sam, Once a Darkeyes
12. Onyx Flamingo: Kir, Kleptomaniac Scout
13. Opal Lion: Tnaidar, Scout
14. Pearl Chameleon: Purrl, Adolin’s Former Girlfriend Radiant Worldhopper
15. Plum Rhinoceros: Logalog, Scholar Sympathizer Worldhopper
16. Quartz Zebra: Arauna Khadal, Adolin’s Former Girlfriend Sympathizer Worldhopper
17. Saffron Iguana: Merinira, Scout
18. Sage Kangaroo: Gilglin, Ardent (Devotary of the Mind)
19. Salmon Meerkat: Cadamum, Ghostblood Recruit
20. Scarlet Octopus: Max Mercury, Past Lives
21. Sunburst Toucan: Tafud, Slightly Crazy
22. Taupe Gecko: Brana, Scholar
23. Turquoise Gorilla: Bomer, Gambler Radiant Worldhopper
24. Violet Axolotl: Adi, Anxious

 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Elbereth

[Saffron Iguana]

@Elbereth, I think those edgedancer messages got mucked up a bit, as I don't think one of them correctly predicted the player list?

[Elbereth she/her]

I am aware; this is my third try of fixing it.   

[Saffron Iguana]

1 minute ago, Elbereth said:

I am aware; this is my third try of fixing it.   

Fair enough  I know that the forum software can sometimes be a bit stubborn when it has decided it wants a quote-box somewhere in a certain way XD

[Elbereth she/her]

Fourth try is an improvement, but I still do not need to deal with this at 3am.  One more message to be added (and a lot of spacing to fix) and I'm off to bed. 

Remember, folks, PMs are closed! 

[Saffron Iguana]

We all appreciate your effort Elbereth! Also, we had 5 edgedancers last cycle, and none this one. I guess RNG gives and takes.

Anyway, I've done a reread of Falcon as I mentioned in the night cycle. There isn't much in there that makes me suspicious, and a lot that makes me want to read them as village. In the first category there's only really their soft-defense of Zebra by trying to encourage a different lynch (but I consider that to also be very reasonable to do as a village as that lynch was, despite its outcome, a bit BS), though it should be noted that they didn't mention Rhino at all before their role got revealed, though I don't know if that actually means something.

I really want to read them as village because they're active and continually encourage activity in others as well, but there's a few players that would do that regardless of alignment.

All this means is that I have to adjust my read back to unsure on them, though I don't want to lynch them any time soon.

Also, I just realized I haven't weighed in on the crocodile issue yet. I can see Crocodile saying what they did as both a villager and an elim, but I'm leaning slightly more toward elim given how Rhino's lynch went down. A villager could have made the comment to get a more productive lynch, while an elim could have made the comment to stall out the village for another cycle, thinking they could get away with it because there's village reasoning for the comment as well (in fact, their insistence that the comment would be 'suicide' for an elim actually makes me lean more elim on them, because I don't agree that that has to be the case, but framing it as such makes for a decent defence).

In addition to Crocodile, I'd say I wouldn't mind a lynch on Lion either, as I'm still suspicious of them, and don't think Rhino's move clears them. There's also the quieter players, like @Mint Heron, @Sage Kangaroo and @Coral Swan, but none of those lynches would be particularly interesting if they flip village (and due to activity there's no reason to believe they'd flip elim), so I think its better to leave them to the dustbringers if they don't become more active.

Though if you people wish to become more active, but don't know how, sharing a read or two is always appreciated.

I think I'm going to put a vote on crocodile.

[Salmon Meerkat]

Alright, I've deciphered the easier edgedancer messages. 

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tp:/w.otb.o/ac?=H5JRA and 

hts/wwyuuecmwthvogSYH0

seem like two incomplete url codes, however, combined, spell out this Url. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

two people must have been in cahoots to be able to send this link in, and may have used it as a form to prove each others claims. 

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OPEN YOUR MIND

THE INFINITE AWAITS

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Has two random links, and also a Morse code bit. I'm the spirit of not using the internet for coding (I kinda did) I only looked up a morse code chart and translated this myself, and I got 

This peron is an elim. You?

I double checked with a morse translator, and got "this person is an elim. You?, so it looks like I just missed a letter, and one of the edgedancers is am elim. 

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Then there's two that have some sort of letter code. I'll try to decipher those later to see if we have any useful messages. 

I'll also do a brief analysis of a few players before placing my vote. 

[Sunburst Toucan]

Did every single edgedancer have to do code stuff? It's like wartime or something

[Mauve Crocodile]

@Saffron Iguana Does the fact that I was the Dustbringer that slew Rhino help at all? I mentioned last cycle that my receiving that role was what prompted my suggestion.

I have a village read on Falcon, based on their strong reaction to my post last cycle.

From the Rhino lynch, this post by Flamingo reads a little weirdly:

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Rhino. Albatross's logic is strong. In the case Rhino was village we would just kill Albatross, which is hardly a smart move for an elim team already having lost two players. Either way we get an elim in two lynches, which is pretty good odds for the village.

I'm not sure if I read elim from this, but it seems unnecessary padding for a vote on a scanned elim. I don't really have any better reads at this point, so I'll vote Flamingo.

Also, the following 4 players didn't vote, which gives me a slight village lean on all of them:

2. Amethyst Scorpion: Jesh, Lost Axehound
13. Opal Lion: Tnaidar, Scout
18. Sage Kangaroo: Gilglin, Ardent (Devotary of the Mind)
21. Sunburst Toucan: Tafud, Slightly Crazy

I'd like to hear more from Lion, in regards to the wasted lynch 2 cycles back.

[Emerald Falcon]

6 minutes ago, Sunburst Toucan said:

Did every single edgedancer have to do code stuff? It's like wartime or something

Mine didn't!

@Elbereth, @Fifth Scholar, can we take the writeup as confirmation that Purrl killed Rhino?

Edited January 4, 2020 by Emerald Falcon

[Saffron Iguana]

29 minutes ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

@Saffron Iguana Does the fact that I was the Dustbringer that slew Rhino help at all? I mentioned last cycle that my receiving that role was what prompted my suggestion.

It's a bit hard to prove though. Maybe someone confirmed in a PM to you (or a team-mate) that they where a dustbringer, so you felt it was safe to claim to be one as well as any dustbringer would be targeting Rhino. Maybe you just gambled on there being a dustbringer after your comment started gathering suspicion (a fairly safe gamble given the amount of villagers left).

edit: Just to make it clear, I'm not 100% sold on a crocodile lynch yet, and will be doing some further analysis later in the cycle.

Crocodile, out off curiosity though, why do you lean village those that didn't vote on Rhino? @Sage Kangaroo and @Opal Lion  didn't post at all during that cycle, for example.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Saffron Iguana

[Mauve Crocodile]

I lean village on them because as an elim, I would definitely have voted on Rhino. 

30 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Maybe someone confirmed in a PM to you (or a team-mate) that they where a dustbringer, so you felt it was safe to claim to be one as well as any dustbringer would be targeting Rhino.

I just have to say, it makes no sense for an elim to use their dustbringer kill one their own team. And I've been involved in a whopping 1 PM this game (or 2 if you count the GM PM).

[Saffron Iguana]

4 minutes ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

I lean village on them because as an elim, I would definitely have voted on Rhino. 

Right, but would you have done so if you literally weren't posting in the thread for some reason, even as an elim? I can see this reasoning for scorpion and toucan, but nopt for kangaroo and lion.

4 minutes ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

I just have to say, it makes no sense for an elim to use their dustbringer kill one their own team. And I've been involved in a whopping 1 PM this game (or 2 if you count the GM PM).

I didn't say you where an elim and the dustbringer that killed rhino (those are pretty exclusive, I agree), just that, afaik, there's no way to confirm you where the one to put in the dustbringer kill that killed rhino short of everyone claiming their role and action from the last cycle, and I'm not certain that's a good idea (especially because, if you're village, an elim could claim to have also submitted a dustbringer kill against Rhino to discredit your defense). Nor is there any way for me to check the PM issue easily, and the information about someone being a dustbringer could have just as easily been shared in a PM with another elim and then passed along in the doc.

That having been said, your tone in your defense is pretty village. If you were an elim, then all the issues I'm bringing up are things you'd have already considered, and you'd be defending yourself against those, rather than bringing up your role and action again, both of which are uncheckable. I'm not saying that an uncheckable defense is village, but that an elim would be more aware off how flimsy their defense was, and would be trying to shift to something more solid. So, because of that, Crocodile for now.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

1 hour ago, Emerald Falcon said:

Mine didn't!

@Elbereth, @Fifth Scholar, can we take the writeup as confirmation that Purrl killed Rhino?

 

[Mauve Crocodile]

You say those things are uncheckable, but it wouldn’t be that hard to get an idea about their plausibility. Rather than ask everyone in thread what action they took last night, just ask if anyone else sent in a kill on Rhino. My response from the GMs indicated that my action in particular was responsible for the kill, so I think it is quite possible there were no other dustbringers last cycle.

Why would an elim submit a kill on their own teammate to frame someone when they could just as easily kill a villager? Discrediting me like that would cause any suspicion I gathered to transfer to said elim following my death.

Similarly, you could just ask who all has PMs with me.

[Saffron Iguana]

30 minutes ago, Mauve Crocodile said:

You say those things are uncheckable, but it wouldn’t be that hard to get an idea about their plausibility. Rather than ask everyone in thread what action they took last night, just ask if anyone else sent in a kill on Rhino. My response from the GMs indicated that my action in particular was responsible for the kill, so I think it is quite possible there were no other dustbringers last cycle.

That's an interesting one, potentially. @Fifth Scholar, if multiple people submit the same kill, would they all get told they where successful? would only one, and if so, which one?

That having been said, it still doesn't prove much, because you're asking me to trust the contents of your GM PM, and depending on what the answer is to my above question, it could prove nothing at all even if I where 100% certain you speak the truth.

edit: a quick note, btw, that you should be careful about building any argument on the contents of your GM PM, as you're not supposed to share that in any way. I'm leaving the question above, because there's actually some interesting information to be gained if I know what people would generally get told, for future reference when I get dustbringer, but this is one part of the argument we probably shouldn't continue

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Why would an elim submit a kill on their own teammate to frame someone when they could just as easily kill a villager? Discrediting me like that would cause any suspicion I gathered to transfer to said elim following my death.

I don't believe an elim dustbringer would kill their team-mate, but I have now pointed out three times why there's no reason for me to believe that you're the dustbringer that killed rhino besides you saying that you were, because if there had been a village dustbringer, they would have killed rhino, so it'd have been a safe gambit to make that claim as it can't be checked that you, specifically, where the one to submit the kill. The only thing that we know for certain is that at least one dustbringer killed rhino.

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Similarly, you could just ask who all has PMs with me.

I already pointed out why that wouldn't prove anything, because an elim also has access to the contents of the PM's of all their team-mates

Again, the tone of your defense sounds village, but you're not really proving anything.

To show you the problem, let's assume, for the moment, that I claim to have also been a dustbringer, and that I submitted a kill against Rhino. Can you disprove that?

Edited January 4, 2020 by Saffron Iguana

[Mauve Crocodile]

I can’t disprove it, and since I read you as a villager, I’d probably believe it.

The Point isn’t to prove that I did anything. It’s that there are several things (in my opinion) that cumulatively suggest I’m telling the truth (which is sort of how SE works in the first place, by accretion of evidence).

Presumably there are 2 reasons someone would claim to have dustified Rhino: either they are a villager who actually did it, or they are an elim who wants to cast suspicion on me. Thus, by asking all players who attacked Rhino to reveal themselves, we learn something. If nobody else responds, that essentially verifies my claims. If there are other people who sent in a kill, then either I’m lying, someone is setting me up, or we both just killed Rhino.

I’m pretty sure the only plausible scenario you have mentioned is the one where I’m an elim that got confirmation in a PM that someone else was going to kill Rhino.

Say (sticking with the earlier assumption) you told 3 (lots of flexibility with this number) other players you were going to Dustbring Rhino. One of those is an elim, and let’s me know, so I can justify my suggestion last cycle. In response to my claim of killing Rhino, you give the thread the names of the 3 players you told about your action. Lynch me, and if I flip elim, follow with those 3 players and the game ends, village win. Seems like a rather poor plan for the elim team.

In summary, I think if you follow any of the scenarios you have mentioned to their logical conclusions, they don’t make sense for a rational elim team. Thus, the most plausible scenario is that I’m village.

[Emerald Falcon]

Crocodile has a point here. Unless someone else claims that they submitted a Dustbringer kill on Rhino, then we can assume that Crocodile actually did kill Rhino. For now, we should move on to discussing something else.

[Magenta Albatross]

I was gonna say this before Falcon posted, so may as well do it anyway: I PM’d Croc last night. They had already been claiming they were a Dustbringer in our PM and that their kill was set to be on Rhino. Croc (assuming they’re an elim) would’ve had to already know of another Dustbringer who had told Croc they were gonna kill Rhino and then hope that no one else claims they killed Rhino. That could be why Chameleon was killed. They could’ve told Croc (or another elim) that they were gonna submit the kill on Rhino, then the elims decided to kill Chameleon and have one of their own take the credit.

I don’t really think that’s the case, but that is a possible scenario for how Croc could be an elim.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Magenta Albatross

[Saffron Iguana]

Just to make sure I don't confuse anyone, I'm not actually claiming to have been a dustbringer last cycle.

Regarding crocodile, I still see too many ways he could have been an elim to consider them in any way cleared by his claimed role and action, but I've learned enough from our discussion to not want to lynch them unless new evidence comes up (as I said, the tone and style of their defense is village, even if I disagree with the content).

I'll be spending some more time analyzing tomorrow to find a new target for my vote, but for now I need some rest.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Saffron Iguana