Anniversary Game 6/Anonymous Game 7: We Shall All Be Changed

[Saffron Iguana]

6 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

For the second question, my read doesn't depend on Albatross' read, but it is influenced by it, as he is a known villager, therefore making me more likely to believe him. Part of the reason behind this is the fact that, despite most people not supporting the idea, people are more willing to confide in a known villager, therefore turning them into a ...Mayor?... type person. They know more because more people tell them more. 

Maybe, but I'd just like to attract your attention to the text in Elbereth's signature:

"Confirmed good does not equal confirmed right."

[Magenta Albatross]

4 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

"Confirmed good does not equal confirmed right."

@Salmon Meerkat Yeah, this basically. I’m not infallible, so please don’t follow my lead as if I am. I was at a loss for reads yesterday and just went for Falcon because I was getting a similar vibe that I got from Rhino and Octopus. 

I really wish I’d gotten on before the end of the cycle to see Falcon’s response. Definitely would’ve taken my vote off him. Those posts, even before I saw the writeup, did not sound like an elim being angry about being lynched at all.

[Salmon Meerkat]

30 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Maybe, but I'd just like to attract your attention to the text in Elbereth's signature:

"Confirmed good does not equal confirmed right."

21 minutes ago, Magenta Albatross said:

@Salmon Meerkat Yeah, this basically. I’m not infallible, so please don’t follow my lead as if I am. I was at a loss for reads yesterday and just went for Falcon because I was getting a similar vibe that I got from Rhino and Octopus. 

I really wish I’d gotten on before the end of the cycle to see Falcon’s response. Definitely would’ve taken my vote off him. Those posts, even before I saw the writeup, did not sound like an elim being angry about being lynched at all.

I get that you're not infallible. My point was that you were more likely to have more information than Flamingo, or Crocodile, for example. This, in my head, made your thoughts weigh heavier on my mind than their thoughts. But yeah, I realize that there are times that we all are going to not have enough information. My read on axolotl is entirely my own, but since albatross, a trusted villager trusts them, that makes it so that I'm also slightly more willing to trust them. 

[Magenta Albatross]

25 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

I get that you're not infallible. My point was that you were more likely to have more information than Flamingo, or Crocodile, for example. This, in my head, made your thoughts weigh heavier on my mind than their thoughts. But yeah, I realize that there are times that we all are going to not have enough information. My read on axolotl is entirely my own, but since albatross, a trusted villager trusts them, that makes it so that I'm also slightly more willing to trust them. 

Yeah, that makes sense. Makes me a little anxious because I don’t like being the example or leading people, but oh well.

Also, I’m pretty sure you overestimate the amount of info I have. 

[Elbereth she/her]

Sein's death has now been edited in, written by Emerald Falcon! Go check it out!

[Mauve Crocodile]

I'd just like to say to Fifth/Elbereth that the writeups have been really awesome this game, and have made it a lot more fun to play in. Thanks!

[Sage Kangaroo]

Raging. Pushing. Breathing. Rinse. Repeat. Internal. External. Against. Self. Society. Sanctity. Trapped.
Raging. Pushing. Breathing. Silence.
Raging. Pushing. Breathing. Exhaustion. Internal. External. Focus.
Raging. Pushing. Breathing. 
Agony.
Raging.
Struggle.
Pushing.
Trial.
Breathing.
Breaking.
Free.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

Cycle closed! (It was like a minute ago but shhhh)

[Elbereth she/her]

Day 6: Axehound, Found and Lost

“Nobody has seen it?” 

The exasperated head-shaking of the group of soldiers told Jesh it was another lost cause. Jesh himself was confused. How hard could an axehound be to miss? The creatures were nearly as tall as he was, and he had been told several times that he was tall for his age. Most importantly, Trisk was friendly and sociable, and would come up to anyone who she thought had food. And she thought everybody existed to give her the remnants of what they ate. So the soldiers across from him really should have at least spotted Trisk by now; the city was only so big. He’d given them the axehound’s markings and everything! He felt a tear well up in his eye, and pushed it down with some effort. Would he be doomed to be stuck in the city forever looking for her? 

“Thanks for your time again,” he managed to get out before he broke into tears in front of the whole group, and ran from the area where he’d been talking with Vamah’s party. Odd that nobody had seen the man in hours, but Jesh didn’t care at this point. He had to find Trisk! Moreover, he was tired of Kareana’s restrictions on Radiant movement; if a group of untrained soldiers could wander around the tower scouting, why couldn’t he, a Knight Radiant, look for his lost pet? Turning the logic over in its head and recognising its infallibility, Jesh knew it would be hopeless convincing Kareana, who called her decisions “logical” when they contradicted directly with Jesh’s ideas and tried to use a supposedly more advanced adult method of logic. No, she would deny his request and have him watched if he spoke up. Instead, he would need to slip quietly out. Chancing a glance through the Breakaway, Kareana was fully engrossed in a conversation with the leading Radiants and scribes. That would take her a while, and Jesh was good at silent movement. He ducked into the shadows of the room, those who did see his passage not thinking it noteworthy, and was out the door and sprinting into the halls of Urithiru within minutes as the sun set on the floating city. Trisk would be found. 

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Jesh collapsed on the hard stone floor, weeping and exhausted. Three hours of searching had yielded no sight of Trisk, and he had checked almost every level of the entire tower, especially the ones with current and old food storages. Still nothing! That creature was evasive. Or…no. He would not begin considering the possibility that Trisk was…no. He shoved the thought down as best he could, but it remained floating on the surface, sending him into a fresh round of tears. 

As he sobbed, he heard the sound of footsteps growing closer, which were too near to run away from before escaping detection. An hour or two ago, he’d have been mortified at the thought of Kareana catching him. Now he just wanted to get back into the Breakaway and sleep, no matter how much he was chewed out for it. Trisk was resourceful and could survive, and she’d wait for tomorrow to return to him. He just wasn’t looking forward to finding out who had come to rescue him. 

The door opened, and light from the hallway flooded into the dark chamber where Jesh sat curled up. One of the wall torches outside the room must have been lit, and a silhouetted figure stood framed in the doorway. Jesh subconsciously scooted back. This wasn’t Kareana, or anyone he recognised from the expedition’s leadership, and it was still impossible to see. The man halted in the doorway, looking down at the child. “Are you Jesh?” he asked softly.

Jesh suddenly felt a spike of anger inside of him resolve itself. Who was this person to go around demanding answers from him, a small child trapped and lost, when he was clearly in no state to be doing anything much more than sleeping? “Why does it matter to you, sir?” he retorted, with more heat than expected. 

The level voice was unperturbed by the outburst. “Since you appear to be, I have to wonder why you ran off earlier today. I watched you go, and you’ve not been in the Breakaway for three hours. Kareana is worried, but I’m suspicious. What have you been doing out in the city by yourself? And why haven’t you run into trouble yet being alone? Several others have.”

“I’ve been looking for my axehound!” Jesh replied heatedly. “Not everyone is heartless and suspicious like you seem to need to be. I actually care about Trisk, and…” Jesh trailed off, seeing another silhouette whisk by in the doorway. A silhouette nearly as tall as him, with a carapace and legs. “Trish!” Tiredness and the interfering man forgotten, Jesh took off at a full sprint for the door, heedless of the person in his way, causing the silhouetted figure to raise his hands, almost unconsciously, and release a storm of fire and dust. When it cleared, the crackling of the charred corpse of Jesh and the whimpering of an axehound were the only sounds heard on the thirtieth level of Urithiru as the moon rose above, while highstorm clouds came rolling in below. And between them, another Knight Radiant lay slain. 

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Sernes stalked the halls of Urithiru, trying to decide whether to go back to camp tonight. On the one hand, safety in numbers... but that hadn’t meant much for Tnaidar, had it? Or any of the others, really. But there’d been just as many deaths out here...

He started at a sudden noise. Was that... footsteps? Getting closer, too. He looked around frantically, but there wasn’t much cover. He ducked around a corner and stood back pressed to the wall, hoping whoever it was would just walk past. 

“Sernes?” a voice called, and Sernes relaxed. “Sernes, are you there?”

He stepped back around the corner, smiling in relief. “Here.”

“Oh, good, I was worried I’d find you already dead or something,” the other said.

“You know I’m too stubborn to die,” Sernes laughed. “Wait, already?”

That was about the point when a knife took him in the throat. “Already,” the other confirmed. “Quite a waste to go looking for you so long to kill you if you’re already dead, isn’t it?”

Sernes didn’t answer, but then, he did have a slit throat. Kind of made it difficult to speak. 

“Ah well,” Odium’s servant said. “Your voice was always annoying, anyway.” They wiped their knife on Sernes’s body and walked off, humming. 

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Sam contemplated the meaning of life. 

When he’d been a Darkeyes he’d not really thought much about it. He just went about his life, because that’s all he knew. But when he became a Radiant... his entire life had changed, and he didn’t know what to make of it. 

The question had become more urgent when people started dying, though. What was the point in their deaths? What was the point in his life? He at least wanted to figure it out before he died himself, and that was looking increasingly likely by the day. 

He’d considered that there was no meaning at all, but he hated that. Then he thought it might be love - before his girlfriend broke up with him, at least. Friendship was a contender, but Sam didn’t have many friends so he wasn’t doing very well if it were friendship. 

“Happiness?” he murmured to himself. Maybe, he thought. He would like to think it was happiness. 

He sighed, standing up and pacing back and forth. “The meaning of life is happiness,” he said, trying to sound it out. “The meaning of life is friendship? No, no, that doesn’t ring right. The meaning of life is...”

“Survival.” The voice was cold like steel as it blasted flames into Sam’s back. 

The Dustbringer shook his head and walked away. 

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Mint Heron (Sam) was a Loyal Knight Radiant Worldhopper!
Amethyst Scorpion (Jesh) was a Loyal Knight Radiant Worldhopper!
Mauve Crocodile (Sernes) was a Loyal Knight Radiant Worldhopper!

 

Okay, so I don't mess the entire post up again several times, there is one edgedancer message which will be posted immediately after the writeup. Hopefully.  

Day 6 has begun, and will end on January 12th at 9pm Eastern Time. Note the change in time! This will be the rollover time for the remainder of the game. 

PMs are open. Credit to Fifth for the Jesh writeup, which is absolutely heartwrenching. 

Player List
1. Amber Vulture: Jashi, Stormwarden Radiant Worldhopper
2. Amethyst Scorpion: Jesh, Lost Axehound Radiant Worldhopper
3. Chartreuse Penguin: Taladir, Gambler Radiant Worldhopper
4. Coral Swan: Germaine, Scholar Radiant Worldhopper
5. Cream Tuatara: Dfyan, Scholar Radiant Worldhopper
6. Emerald Falcon: Sein, Inquisitive Radiant Worldhopper
7. Indigo Weasel: Adhom Inem, Ardent
8. Ivory Dragonfly: Krask, Conspiracy Theorist Sympathizer Worldhopper
9. Magenta Albatross: Jonan Wikim, Lost Axehound (Gren)
10. Mauve Crocodile: Sernes, Paranoid Scout Radiant Worldhopper
11. Mint Heron: Sam, Once a Darkeyes Radiant Worldhopper
12. Onyx Flamingo: Kir, Kleptomaniac Scout
13. Opal Lion: Tnaidar, Scout Radiant Worldhopper
14. Pearl Chameleon: Purrl, Adolin’s Former Girlfriend Radiant Worldhopper
15. Plum Rhinoceros: Logalog, Scholar Sympathizer Worldhopper
16. Quartz Zebra: Arauna Khadal, Adolin’s Former Girlfriend Sympathizer Worldhopper
17. Saffron Iguana: Merinira, Scout
18. Sage Kangaroo: Gilglin, Ardent (Devotary of the Mind)
19. Salmon Meerkat: Cadamum, Ghostblood Recruit
20. Scarlet Octopus: Max Mercury, Past Lives Sympathizer Worldhopper
21. Sunburst Toucan: Tafud, Slightly Crazy
22. Taupe Gecko: Brana, Scholar Radiant Worldhopper
23. Turquoise Gorilla: Bomer, Gambler Radiant Worldhopper
24. Violet Axolotl: Adi, Anxious

[Elbereth she/her]

 

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Sage Kangaroo here, I am going to use this opportunity to make a case against Saffron Iguana.

1. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/87978-anniversary-game-6anonymous-game-7-we-shall-all-be-changed/?do=findComment&comment=950865 This post says the following:

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During D1, in  PM with someone (Tuatara, I think) I mentioned that I wasn't looking forward to the massed dustbringer cycle. And here we are.

This just doesn’t make sense. How would they know that a mass Dustbringer Cycle was even coming when at that point it wasn’t public knowledge, at least as far as I am aware of, that everyone is a Worldhopper. For reference, here’s where the idea was posted in the D2 thread, and this was after a significant number of worldhopper deaths close together:https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/87978-anniversary-game-6anonymous-game-7-we-shall-all-be-changed/?do=findComment&comment=948990  This could just be an honest mistake, but it’s a very specific mistake as it arguably wasn’t possible D1, and Tuatara’s death makes it impossible to prove whether or not it was with them. 

2. This second point is partially as a result of reading through most of Rhino’s posts. Before he was outed, he on several occasions linked Saffron and Sunburst together, describing that if one flips village, it is likely that the other will as well, and the same behavior if one or the other are elims. (https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/87978-anniversary-game-6anonymous-game-7-we-shall-all-be-changed/?do=findComment&comment=949136) This statement coming from an elim makes me think that the opposite is true. That one of the set is village and the other is elim. It makes sense, as if the elim is killed, then by that logic, an additional villager would also be killed, and if instead the villager was killed, the elim would be protected by being seen as villager. It makes sense for him to link someone he knows is a villager to someone the village trusts and therefore cementing Saffron’s cleared status further.

3. D1 lynch was a bus. I genuinely think that it was, and I think this for two primary reasons. 

A. The timing. Iguana’s vote was literally the last vote and post in the turn, and they don’t provide any real reason for switching from Magenta Albatross, they use RP

B. The way the previously mentioned Rhino post specifically puts down the idea that the lynch was a bus.

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However, something that still bothers me is why the elims didn't execute it better, assuming it was indeed a bus. It was on D1, last-minute, and with 3 votes (one of them a villager, NK'd now). The elims would have gained a lot more by carefully planning a bus so that more than just one of them becomes trusted, preferably to "clear" some players who had been under some general suspicion from the thread. But this lynch that we had D1 just didn't seem to be all that purposeful to be perfectly honest. The only way that really makes sense to me is if Toucan is also an elim. But it was really just D1, and D1 events are always terribly arbitrary, in my experience.

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But like I said before, I don't really think analysing the heck out of a D1 lynch is going to get us anywhere, and we still have plenty of time left in the turn, so I'm off to look at Ivory's posts. We should keep the discussion going, regardless of who we're lynching

Anyway, while I worry I may be tunneling, this was the best way for me to get out some actual analysis without breaking character. Feel free to tear it to shreds. 

Cheers!
Sage Kangaroo.

^the edgedancer message, obviously. Have a fun cycle, and don't forget to note the rollover time change!

[Saffron Iguana]

I'm going to be a bit shorter on time this cycle. However, to quickly respond to the points by sage kangaroo  that relate to my actions(and it is nice to see something from them now):

1. I checked back, and I discussed this with them C2, when it appeared there where a lot of worldhoppers (3 where dead, and I was one as well), so we exchanged roles to further confirm it, and discussed whether it'd be worth a public discussion on the possibility.

2. But then Rhino voted on me, so wouldn't by that logic Toucan be the more suspicious one?

3A. I did not 'just' swing my vote at the last second. I announced my intention as early as I could, but at the earliest I only wake up an hour before turnover. The actual swing only happened last second because I wanted an actual lynch to take off, rather than a tie motivated by RP.

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Anyway, if the magenta train doesn't take off, I might just tie-break against Zebra. Between toucan and Zebra, toucan is at least active, and I think Zebras death write-up might be funnier because of the whole 'adolin's ex' thing. These are pretty bad reasons for a pretty bad lynch though, so I hope there si some interest for the magenta lynch.

edit:

There are 8 people left, being, weasel, albatross, flamingo, me, kangaroo, meerkat, toucan and axolotl.

Off these, Albatross is pretty hard-cleared for taking down Rhino, and weasel is somewhat cleared for their claimed actions (but as I already discussed when going over croc, that doesn't prove anything, and the amount of casualties means that having no counterclaims also is no guarantee).

Then, there's  @Sunburst Toucan who has been mostly inactive, @Onyx Flamingo who also hasn't really been active and @Sage Kangaroo who actually seems to be following along, but who unfortunately just hasn't shared that many reads.

Actually, before I finish this particular train of thought, I kinda want to know two things. @Elbereth, @Fifth Scholar, could an elim submit the kill in addition to using any role powers they might have? And if there's more than one elim left, but one of them is inactive, would you allow the other one (or ones, but I really hope there aren't 3 or more elims left) to 'puppet' their actions?

Anyway, apart form the inactives and very likely cleareds, there's meerkat and axolotl. I'm going to leave any further analysis until I know the answers to my questions above, so as not to run with any wrong assumptions.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Saffron Iguana

[Violet Axolotl]

People I don’t think are evil:
Myself - because i know myself.  Please decide for yourself though.
Albatross - lead lynch on rhino, also apparently was scanned by weasel as good.
Iguana - While the possibility of them bussing could be valid, i read their behaviour much more as just being wary of the lynch that was being tied with zebra. They could have very easily moved the lynch off zebra but that's not what they did. 
Weasel - the actions they’ve claimed to do put them in good books 

People I'm uncertain about:
 

Spoiler

 

Meerkat - has been around. Could have submitted night actions 
in a post they spoke well of octopus which is concerning given they turned out evil, so could have been trying to make octopus sound more trustworthy? but people make mistakes so could be either way. Interestingly also was the original person to suggest we were all worldhoppers. Even though yeah there's been a lot of worldhoppers dead and they’d apparently scanned one, an odiminion in a team of worldhopping odiminions would be much more comfortable in that knowledge. Additionally, it meant a bunch of people came forward and went “oh yeah me two! I’m a worldhopper too!” Which while that helped village get an idea of things, could have also been a phishing attempt that turned out successfully. 

When they did that post going through their suspicions, lets just go through what they said about the people who are now dead:

Scorpion (was village) said the name felt elim but slight village read
Falcon (was village) said either def village or dev evil, went with slight elim
Crocodile (was village) said overally village but put them between soft village and soft elim
Heron (was village) said neutral but wanted to say elim

Concerning those still alive:
People like albatross and weasel who we all seem to agree are good, they agreed about,
Iguana- indecisive,
Kangaroo- suspicious of them but also doesn’t want to lynch
Toucan- doesn’t say a suspicion, just puts them as an informational lynch
Axolotl- seems unsure if soft elim or soft village

So overall my take away from that is that meerkat basically said “everyone may or may not be evil or good”. Saying someone can be either way is very safe.  The way I’m looking at it, is that if I was an eliminator, that would be a very safe post to make because its not really condemning anyone but also leaves everyone open as lynch targets- other than the people everyone else agrees is probably village. The feel from that post I get on reflection is much more of a “i guess any lynch will do? As long as it's not me” sorta thing. I could definitely see how meerkat could be an eliminator

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Kangaroo - Has been around. Could have submitted night actions. - clearly did given the edgedancer message. However that message has been one of their only posts actually contributing discussion in the game so far

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Flamingo - at around 20 hours into this day cycle, they are showing as last online 5 hours before the last day cycle ended. Not online at all throughout the night cycle. - they did not put in an eliminator kill. Also not a tonne to go off of concerning posts so not much to analyze.
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Toucan - at around 20 hours of this day cycle, toucan was last shown as being online half an hour after the last day cycle ended, meaning they were at least not on the shard throughout the night at all. Haven’t posted a lot this game so not a lot to analyze concerning them. 

 

 
Hm though all that being said. 
Saying that Toucan and flamingo didn’t put a night action in, doesn’t mean that they aren’t eliminators, because who is to say that all the night kills weren’t actually just dustbringer kills...(edit: although writeup implies croc was an elim kill)
Actually that's something i’ve been wandering about. At this stage, any information is useful. I’m legitimately curious as to if people would be willing to share things like who they’ve attacked if they were one of the people to dustbringer someone so far, and if they’ve scanned any of us who are still alive at all? 
Its just been verrrry quiet this cycle so far which is somewhat scaring me. Also makes me really not want to lynch anyone whos been really active like iguana since a silent village is the village that dies in the night. 
 

Almost halfway through the cycle and this is the second post....? yikes...

Edited January 11, 2020 by Violet Axolotl

[Saffron Iguana]

2 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Actually that's something i’ve been wandering about. At this stage, any information is useful. I’m legitimately curious as to if people would be willing to share things like who they’ve attacked if they were one of the people to dustbringer someone so far, and if they’ve scanned any of us who are still alive at all? 

In the interest of getting people talking, maybe the info that I dusted Scorpion helps.

I'm about to be somewhat busy, travelling across half the country, so this is likely going to be my last post of substance this cycle, and I might not psot at all, or only in the last hour of the cycle, no, with the new end time I should still be able to post on sunday. Anyway, a quick run down for who Might be the remaining elim(s). If the elim kill can be submitted in parallel with other actions, but puppeting isn't allowed, the last elim(s) are among Axolotl and meerkat.

If the elim kill can't be submitted in parallel with other actions, but puppeting of inactives is allowed, the one to submit the kill is one of Onyx flamingo and sunburst toucan (or one off them is an elim team-mate tof axolotl or meerkat that submitted the action that they claimed). It could be weasel as well, but as I mentioned before, I'm inclined to trust them unless everything points their way.

If the elim kill can't be submitted in parallel with other actions, and puppeting of inactives isn't allowed then it's got to be weasel that submitted the kill, as I don't see albatross being an elim after all he did, and everyone else has an action to their name.

So, with this in mind, I need to put a vote down before I disappear for a while. Both the 'in parallel 'assumption and the 'puppet assumption' alone suggests that one of meerkat and/or axolotl is an elim, so I think voting there might be best. That's not an easy choice though. Meerkat ahs talked more, but that means there's also a few more questionable things, including what axolotl indicated here. Axolotl on the other hand has just talked very little and hasn't been involved in a bunch of lynches that allows for more information to be gained on them.

I think Meerkat just barely comes out ahead in terms of suspicion(edit: for the reasons I mentioned last cycle, plus their hedging last cycle). However, @Violet Axolotl, since you cancelled scorpion's vote, you where online after it was cast, but you never placed a vote of your own last cycle. Why was that?

Actually, did anyone get a role-claim for last cycle from falcon? An alternate scenario is that Axolotl didn't submit a bondsmith action at all, and instead claimed falcon's action, though that'd have been very risky, or would have required certain knowledge, so I don't think it's too likely. Actually, this is down-right tinfoil-levels of paranoia, but now I want to know anyway.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Saffron Iguana

[Violet Axolotl]

26 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

 

I think Meerkat just barely comes out ahead in terms of suspicion(edit: for the reasons I mentioned last cycle, plus their hedging last cycle). However, @Violet Axolotl, since you cancelled scorpion's vote, you where online after it was cast, but you never placed a vote of your own last cycle. Why was that?

Actually, did anyone get a role-claim for last cycle from falcon? An alternate scenario is that Axolotl didn't submit a bondsmith action at all, and instead claimed falcon's action, though that'd have been very risky, or would have required certain knowledge, so I don't think it's too likely. Actually, this is down-right tinfoil-levels of paranoia, but now I want to know anyway.

Falcon didn't claim any actions to me in our pm so cant help you with that last question

Well, I was tempted to. but I honestly didn't feel comfortable with forcing the lynch to swing another direction without warning, especially since I wasn't convinced of either ones alignment. instead I told Falcon that I was going to cancel scorpions vote, and that if they wanted to swing the lynch to save themselves, that was up to them. I felt more comfortable only being in control of one vote, not two, especially since it was quite late in the cycle when I was considering this. I probably should have voted regardless, but whelp. cant go back and change that now.

 

Oh yeah, also thanks for sharing your dustbringering. Honestly got no idea if that sorta thing is going to help at all with anything. Sorta reaching for straws atm.  my shot at dustbringering so far i used on lion, and I scanned gorilla d1, not that that was any use for long

I guess i'm also trying to get an idea of how long we actually have left in this game.

There's been 14 night kills happen so far, so at least 9 dustbringer attacks. there's 8 of us left. So apparently at least 2 of us have already rolled dustbringer once before, and possible more, so the likeliness of another 5 people die at once cycle could happen maybe? but unlikely. I hope its very unlikely. Because we seem to be doing the elims job for them and are just killing ourselves off. but uhhh okay so someone gets lynched, then theres 7, then an elim kill and 1-2 dustbringerings, and so then theres only 4, then 3 from lynch, then elim kill to 2 and dustbringer maybe leaves us with 1 so its like, could quite possibly be only 2-3 cycles left if that if all things go baaadly?

[Indigo Weasel]

2 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said:

In the interest of getting people talking, maybe the info that I dusted Scorpion helps.

Really? I also attacked Scorpion, at the request of Albatross.

[Magenta Albatross]

Yeah, I told Weasel in my PM to attack Scorpion. Wish I hadn’t.

Anyway, Meerkat. I’m putting a vote on them now because I probably won’t be on again before rollover. I’m sick right now and feel absolutely awful, so I’ll be spending most of today resting and packing to go back to college. 

[Saffron Iguana]

17 minutes ago, Magenta Albatross said:

Yeah, I told Weasel in my PM to attack Scorpion. Wish I hadn’t.

Ah well, that's on me. I'm really not a pm player but at this point I really should be coordinating more with those that are likely cleared.

So if I don't PM you sometime soon, please give me a kick to stop being lazy

[Onyx Flamingo]

Okay, what's the typical elim to village ratio? Right now I'm guessing we have one to two elims left alive.

Okay, agree that Albatross is cleared.

7 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Falcon didn't claim any actions to me in our pm so cant help you with that last question

Well, I was tempted to. but I honestly didn't feel comfortable with forcing the lynch to swing another direction without warning, especially since I wasn't convinced of either ones alignment. instead I told Falcon that I was going to cancel scorpions vote, and that if they wanted to swing the lynch to save themselves, that was up to them. I felt more comfortable only being in control of one vote, not two, especially since it was quite late in the cycle when I was considering this. I probably should have voted regardless, but whelp. cant go back and change that now.

I have two takes on this. One: an elim would desire to reduce the number of alive players, and therefore would always like a mislynch. Two: an elim wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by lynching a village (or of course three, exactly what you said).

Generally think killing Igauna is a bad idea (very active and I have no suspicions).

What actions has Weasal claimed to take?

I'll throw a vote on Meerkat, but hopefully have the energy to go back through the previous elim lynches before rollover.

[Indigo Weasel]

5 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said:

What actions has Weasal claimed to take?

I might as well just list all my actions for this game:

T1: Edgedancer, did the message from the Stormfather. It's in ROT47 and says to kill the GMs.

T2: Skybreaker, scanned Albatross.

T3: Edgedancer, did the message with six links and Morse code. 

T4: Windrunner, protected Albatross.

T5: Dustbringer, killed Scorpion.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Indigo Weasel

[Salmon Meerkat]

sigh...

Again we go through this. 

18 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Meerkat - has been around. Could have submitted night actions 
in a post they spoke well of octopus which is concerning given they turned out evil, so could have been trying to make octopus sound more trustworthy? but people make mistakes so could be either way. Interestingly also was the original person to suggest we were all worldhoppers. Even though yeah there's been a lot of worldhoppers dead and they’d apparently scanned one, an odiminion in a team of worldhopping odiminions would be much more comfortable in that knowledge. Additionally, it meant a bunch of people came forward and went “oh yeah me two! I’m a worldhopper too!” Which while that helped village get an idea of things, could have also been a phishing attempt that turned out successfully. 

When they did that post going through their suspicions, lets just go through what they said about the people who are now dead:

Scorpion (was village) said the name felt elim but slight village read
Falcon (was village) said either def village or dev evil, went with slight elim
Crocodile (was village) said overally village but put them between soft village and soft elim
Heron (was village) said neutral but wanted to say elim

Concerning those still alive:
People like albatross and weasel who we all seem to agree are good, they agreed about,
Iguana- indecisive,
Kangaroo- suspicious of them but also doesn’t want to lynch
Toucan- doesn’t say a suspicion, just puts them as an informational lynch
Axolotl- seems unsure if soft elim or soft village

So overall my take away from that is that meerkat basically said “everyone may or may not be evil or good”. Saying someone can be either way is very safe.  The way I’m looking at it, is that if I was an eliminator, that would be a very safe post to make because its not really condemning anyone but also leaves everyone open as lynch targets- other than the people everyone else agrees is probably village. The feel from that post I get on reflection is much more of a “i guess any lynch will do? As long as it's not me” sorta thing. I could definitely see how meerkat could be an eliminator

So I couldn't have submitted the kill last cycle. I already claimed that I had willshaped a vote off of me.

I would have voted for either crocodile or scorpion had they both not dies these last cycles, so that just goes to show that I've been wrong again 

11 hours ago, Magenta Albatross said:

Yeah, I told Weasel in my PM to attack Scorpion. Wish I hadn’t.

Anyway, Meerkat. I’m putting a vote on them now because I probably won’t be on again before rollover. I’m sick right now and feel absolutely awful, so I’ll be spending most of today resting and packing to go back to college. 

Weasel seemed pretty willing to go along with that attack for some odd reason, but I actually don't find that very suspicious. 

7 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said:

I'll throw a vote on Meerkat, but hopefully have the energy to go back through the previous elim lynches before rollover.

I don't think it's the wisest to throw a vote on me, and I'll explain why now. 

So first of all, I'm an elsecaller this cycle, so killing me won't kill me for at least until the night turn. That will delay information being released. Second, as I've already explained, I couldn't have been the one to submit the kill, so, if there's only one elim left, it can't be me. 

My vote is going on Kangaroo this cycle. While I do have some agreement with their analysis, and also Iguana placed the first vote on me as well, so I'm now leaning more elim on iguana than before. 

But back to kangaroo, Something about playing a game with almost real content, then posting one message at a critical time in the game, then going back to being able to keep up with the RP doesn't feel right with me. If either them or a teammate could have posted that as if it was them. Then they are now able to continue hiding behind their RP mask, as they will no longer feel the necessity to respond in a comprehensible way. I don't like that strategy. 

[Elbereth she/her]

On 1/10/2020 at 6:16 AM, Saffron Iguana said:

Actually, before I finish this particular train of thought, I kinda want to know two things. @Elbereth, @Fifth Scholar, could an elim submit the kill in addition to using any role powers they might have? And if there's more than one elim left, but one of them is inactive, would you allow the other one (or ones, but I really hope there aren't 3 or more elims left) to 'puppet' their actions?

The kill counts as an action, and only one action may be taken per cycle. (This doesn't apply to passive roles like Edgedancer or Elsecaller, though.) 

In general, no. If that person had dropped out and was about to be replaced by a pinchhitter, perhaps, or if they notified us ahead of time that they'd be unable to access the Shard (complete power outage, that kind of thing) they might be allowed to submit an order ahead of time. 

[Violet Axolotl]

Oooh now thats interesting.

 

So okay.

For the 8 people left we actually know a lot of actions that were done then.

Iguana- claimed dustbringering on scorpion

Albatross -unknown

Weasel- claimed dustbringering on scorpion

Meerkat- claimed vote manip

Flamingo -not online over night

Kangaroo -submitted anon message- however thats not counted as a action if im reading els post correctly

Toucan - not online over night

Axolotyl - cancelled vote

 

I mean. Assuming no ones lied, theres only really kangaroo or albatross with action potential

No ones claimed herons death so im just going to assume that was one of the other people who died.

But yeah. I mean. Its a se game, this is probably unwise of me, but im just going to believe that no ones lied so far, and ill actually join meerkat on voting Kangaroo

Yes i know i said i can see a case for meerkat being evil, but im honestly feeling much more confident with following these sorta bits of information. Plus wasting lynches is annoying so meerkat can wait till another cycle if this idea doesn't work out also thanks for letting us know ahead of time. (You better not be lying though *narrowed eyes of I'll lynch you asap if you are* )

[Saffron Iguana]

6 hours ago, Elbereth said:

The kill counts as an action, and only one action may be taken per cycle. (This doesn't apply to passive roles like Edgedancer or Elsecaller, though.) 

In general, no. If that person had dropped out and was about to be replaced by a pinchhitter, perhaps, or if they notified us ahead of time that they'd be unable to access the Shard (complete power outage, that kind of thing) they might be allowed to submit an order ahead of time. 

5 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said:

Oooh now thats interesting.

I'm with axolotl on this one, this changes stuff. I agree that this makes kangaroo look pretty bad. Assuming weasel's claim is to be believed, and If I understand albatross' comment correctly, they coordinated that in advance(and I hadn't shared my intentions, so elim!weasel couldn't have known the kill would happen anyway), so I think that claim is pretty solid. The only other possibility I see is that either elim!meerkat or elim!axolotl claimed the action of elim!toucan or elim!flamingo as their own, and then submitted the elim kill, but that requires a more convoluted setup than it being kangaroo.

So meerkat, kangaroo.

[Indigo Weasel]

8 hours ago, Elbereth said:

The kill counts as an action, and only one action may be taken per cycle. (This doesn't apply to passive roles like Edgedancer or Elsecaller, though.) 

In general, no. If that person had dropped out and was about to be replaced by a pinchhitter, perhaps, or if they notified us ahead of time that they'd be unable to access the Shard (complete power outage, that kind of thing) they might be allowed to submit an order ahead of time. 

I think this is referring to the passive part of the Edgedancer role. @Elbereth @Fifth Scholar would submitting an anonymous message count as an action?

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

4 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said:

I think this is referring to the passive part of the Edgedancer role. @Elbereth @Fifth Scholar would submitting an anonymous message count as an action?

Yes.