Long Game 55: Disquiet

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

11 hours ago, Lumgol said:

This could be because in previous games (notably QF37), you seemed very concerned about PM safety and revealing relatively little information in them, and now you're advocating for us to rely heavily on PM's to share our trusts and suspicions?

PM safety tends to be about not revealing your role, or Breath count in QF37's case. Exchanging trusts and suspicions through PMs is something different, and probably worthwhile with two different evil factions.

11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

How do you propose we specifically search for Mistborn as opposed to the eliminators? I think right now all we can really do is see who isn't village.

My personal hypothesis is that the people trying to swing lynch discussion too hard towards either the elims or the Mistborn are more likely to be evil. This phenomenon occurred in the LG44 Elantris game where Gyorn!Steel and Cultist!Araris tried very hard to focus on the other faction. MR 34, with a hostile neutral had a somewhat similar occurrence, with the elims being most vehemently opposed to the Thief. From a readthrough of this day, it appears the most obvious examples of overly focusing on one side are Lumgol and especially Steel saying we should focus on killing the Mistborn first, with Araris and Rae suggesting that the elims are the greater priority. The other main example of focus in Randuir's plan of relying on PMs to play a larger than usual role in hunting down elims, and looking at the people who supported or opposed that plan. Stick and Fura seem the most receptive to that general idea, while while CadCom, Maill, and Lumgol are the most firmly opposed. I'll have to examine this later, but I note that Lumgol is on the pro-elim side with regards to the first point and the pro-Mistborn side for the second, while Araris and Fura have teamed up to vote for her. Secondly, Rae voted for Araris, though that vote was conditional and has since been removed.

For the record, my personal beliefs are that we don't have enough information to target either team, though the Mistborn are more easily outed by scanning roles like Tineye 2 and the Seekers(and as such it's probably best for Smokers to refrain from using their abilities) and the elims will likely have more obvious connections. I also don't think we're at the point were we should refrain from posting all our suspicions in thread, though that may come if multiple elims die and both Mistborn are still alive or possibly if a Mistborn dies while all the elims are still alive. Throughout the game, we would hopefully focus on whichever evil team is doing better, though we do of course have to kill the Mistborn first.

2 hours ago, Young Bard said:

I'd like an explanation - I'm assuming you're able to speak in the thread, but you haven't yet.

Until/unless Joe responds, I'm going to guess that Joe is Preservation; able to listen but not speak. I don't know why there would be a role that prohibited someone from posting though, not even the Hoed mechanic from LG44 or the poison mechanic from LG47 were that harsh.

[DeTess she/her]

14 hours ago, Lumgol said:

That's a good point. So you're saying that PM's are a better choice in this game because they tend to benefit the village, rather than benefiting the elims as in QF37?

Note exactly. PM's are basically the same as always, with risks for easier manipulation bye elims and the like, but in this particular game they've got the benefit of making things more difficult for the unstable mistborn.

@Arraenae, I very much disagree that the unstable mistborn can be ignored until we've caught a couple of elims. In my experience, elim teams are often like a couple of dominos. Unless the elim team is really good with their distancing and bussing, once one falls, several others will follow. So by the time we've lynched a couple of the elim team chances are that getting the rest of them is pretty easy. 

edit: it seems a lot of people disagree with my suggestion earlier. I can understand that, of course, as I wasn't completely sold on it either, but believed it needed to be discussed. If we're doing discussion in the thread as usual, I do need to stress that we need to hunt for the unstable mistborn from the very beginning.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Randuir

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Just a heads up, I will be around for the next hour or so, then I will be gone until rollover. I may or may not make it back before rollover.

I will reread the thread and try to make sure I am happy with my vote before I leave.

[STINK he/him]

Randuir is getting collapsed on too quickly in the ever so humble opinion of Jumae II, who has to use the letter for his identifier there. 'Twas a suggestion about private talking, and I found nothing that wrong about it. 

Also, is anyone keeping track of all these red words being thrown around?

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

First of all, less than 12 hours to go in the day, so we really do need to start consolidating votes now. I will try to edit In a vote count after this post, but i am bad at these things. I encourage someone else to do this as well.

After rereading the thread, I dont think Lumgol is the best lynch today.

(On mobile, and having some quoting issues)

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I like the pre-writeup, @Fifth Scholar.

I'll open with a vote on Ark. To be clear, this is not a poke vote (mostly meaning it won't automatically get removed when @Ark1002 shows up), although it is subject to change. Gotta kill somebody today.

This has already been mentioned, but the vote makes no sense. It isnt a poke, but it also isnt a vote based on info.  It seems to be an attempt to kill a completely random player for no reason. This is very anti-village.

In response to "Gotta kill somebody today", yeah, we do. But that somebody should always be killed through reasoning. This sets a bad precident for this game.

On 5/16/2019 at 10:16 PM, Araris Valerian said:

Fortunately there are ~48 hours for things to happen to cause my vote to move.

I should have quoted Lum as well, but this is in response to her saying Ark was lynched D1 last game, and should probably be given a D1 pass this one.

...If your vote was 100% without reason, it should take an equal amount of reason to convince you to move your vote.  This is slightly more than equal reason.  This implies to me you do have another reason you are voting on Ark, but one you havent shared with the thread.

20 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Lumgol How do you propose we specifically search for Mistborn as opposed to the eliminators? I think right now all we can really do is see who isn't village. Lumgol.

I find this post rather offputting. A couple people have said they feel off about Lum's post... I dont agree. Last game iirc, people got caught up in catching the elims, and forgot about Zane for the first half of the game.  It would be nice if we dont need someone to pull a Drake Marshall this game.

The question you ask is a good one. And one you should ask as a follow up to Lum.  You then disagree preemptively with her answer to your question and vote on her. I really dont like that. You have your opinions, sure. But this post reads to me as either a no-reason-vote made likely to get off of Ark, or a vote because you disagree with her opinion. Both of these are anti-village. So I feel safe condemning this post.

If I had to guess, i would figure you made this as another no-reason-vote to get off the Ark one.

Of course, you could have been voting on Lum to add pressure, but then you probably should have taken your vote off once she responded to your question.

Lumgol

Araris

edit: vote count

Rand (3) - CadCom, Lumgol, Ark
Lumgol (2) - Araris, Fura
CadCom (1) - Adavantos
Mailliw (1) - Rand
Straw (1) - HH
Araris(1) - Fura
Joe(2) - Maill, Bard

A couple things:

I didnt realize Rae had retracted her vote on Araris. I am going to keep mine there though, as I think araris is the right lynch today.

I would like to formally denounce the lynch on Joe. It is pretty obvious there are some special rules in place for him.  Anyway, what Is the point of killing a known secret before we even know what the secret is?

Edited May 18, 2019 by Furamirionind

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Laila lounged on her bed as messengers kept her updated with the goings-on of the square. “Bern, go talk to Ford ( @Furamirionind) and get an elaboration on this Drake Marshall story. I haven’t heard it before and would like clarification.”

When it came to this Finn character, no one had heard from him still. One of the servants, Trami, had been sent to ask Laila why she was accusing the man. “Tell then that I wanted to press him into coming forward if he was still around and if he still cares about the well-being of this city. I don’t even know if we could catch him, since no one seems to know where he is. But I want to do more exploring about him. Secrets aren’t going to benefit us if we don’t know them.”

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

"Once upon a time there was a Drake that was a Marshall. He participated in a hunt similar to the on we are in now. There were a group of killers(elims) and Zane. 'Surely a group of killers is more dangerous than a single mistborn!', they all said. So they United in the goal of finding the eliminators.

One day, they realized they had killed some eliminators, but they had no clue who the mistborn was.  Everyone said, 'The elims are still far too dangerous for my liking'. But the brave Drake of Marshals stood against them all, saying, 'if we keep killing elims, the Mistborn will win!'. People wanted to kill him for saying that, but he refused to die. They then started looking for the mistborn.

The Marshall of Drakes, having completed his destiny, promptly died.

And the mistborn won anyways"

xD LG41 is truly an amazing read if anyone feels up for doing it. It is the only LG I have so far truly loved reading after it was over.

[Stick. she/her]

18 hours ago, Randuir said:

If you make a good case against someone that has been flying under the radar in PM's, and that person subsequently dies to a night-kill, it suggests that someone in your PM-circle might be Zane.

Or Vin. Let's not forget Zane shares a PM with her. Oh, and @Fifth Scholar, I'm assuming their PM is night only too?

18 hours ago, STINK said:

Either they are inactive and cannot see the poking, or are active and would not need the poking anyway. When considering supposedly evil people doing a giant poke on our ruler-of-all-within-this-scope, spreading votes for tiny poke is silly, yes?

Sometimes people are inactive in the sense that they read stuff that goes on in-thread but don't comment on it at all xD Poke votes are useful in encouraging them to post.

14 hours ago, Mailliw73 said:

There were also talks of a Finn Seidel, but no one had actually seen or heard from him in days. He hadn’t been found dead; he had just . . . disappeared. Laila sent her servants out to specifically gather more information on this Seidel fellow, she found it intriguing. 

Lord Ruler, this city is full of fools since you died, but it’s still your city. I want to free it for you. 

 

10 hours ago, Young Bard said:

OK, so we've gathered that Joe is a player, but not on the player list, and that's deliberate rather than GM oversight?

Joe (Finn Seidel). I'd like an explanation - I'm assuming you're able to speak in the thread, but you haven't yet. (CadCom)

If I remember correctly, didn't somebody mention in the sign ups that Joe was supposed to be the co-GM? So perhaps Joe has a role like Fifth's? Or maybe something similar to Rubix's role in QF26...? Either way, I don't think he can post in-thread (at least not at this point(?)) cuz with two votes on him, I suspect he would have spoken up if he could.

41 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Rand (3) - CadCom, Lumgol, Ark
Lumgol (2) - Araris, Fura
CadCom (1) - Adavantos
Mailliw (1) - Rand
Straw (1) - HH
Araris(1) - Fura
Joe(2) - Maill, Bard

Thanks for the vote count ^ You have your name on there twice though  Lum currently has 1 vote on her, I think.

I know there's less than 12 hours left, but I still decided on a vote yet. Fura makes a decent case considering that it's D1 and we have very limited info to work with, but I think I'm gonna analyse the thread some before I vote.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Furamirionind, it is impossible to have reason behind a vote when nobody has done anything in the game. Furthermore, as Stink pointed out, "poke voting" is pointless. Players show up or they don't, regardless of who has poked them. Whoever we end up killing this cycle is going to be almost entirely random, despite what we may like to think. Someone definitely has to die every day cycle of the game, because of the game mechanics. I am just willing to do the dirty work, so to speak.

My vote on Lumgol was because Lum suggested a goal without giving any strategy to achieve it. Saying something that sounds nice but doesn't really have any substance. My second sentence is basically saying that there isn't a predefined method of searching out mistborn vs elims (or an easy one, in my opinion), and in no way is condemning a response. I would say it's inviting one, although it is a bit aggressive. We are all here to kill each other, so I feel a little aggression is warranted.

[Lumgol she/her]

Alright, first roleclaim of the game I believe?

So. I would like to vote on Joe. That is because I am a Tineye 2, and can find out his role if I vote for him.

However, with 2 people already voting on him, he might be lynched. I would encourage at least one of you two ( @Mailliw73 @Young Bard) to move your vote off Joe. I'd like to scan him and find out what kind of secret he is, instead of just killing him because he exists.

Rand (for now). Joe.

Edit:  @Fifth Scholar, if someone scans someone with a secret role, are they told what the secret role does, or just its name?

Edited May 18, 2019 by Lumgol

[DeTess she/her]

I've done a quick review of the day so far. First of all, Mailliw. I'd actually missed a post by them, which added  a bit of context tot heir vote on me. I still don't like that vote as I don't see how they went from 'disagreeing with Rand's suggestion' to 'therefore rand is an elim', but there are others I'm a bit more suspicious off right now, which are Araris and Rae. Furami has already made a fairly decent case against Araris, but he missed one thing that really stood out to me:

19 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Unless I'm very mistaken, the unstable Mistborn aren't really serial killers. They have (almost) the same win condition as the village, although the two are mutually exclusive, but the usual SK role has the goal of killing everyone.

I might be reading too much into this, but it seems to me that Araris seems to be trying to push a 'village and mistborn aren't that different'  idea here, which combined with his reaction on someone suggesting a focus  on the mistborn makes me suspect he might actually be one of the two mistborn. I'm somewhat suspicious of Rae for much the same reason, as she too suggested that the elims where a bigger threat than the mistborn, which is untrue(the mistborn have a kill, just like the elims, and have no reason not to use it each cycle in the pursuit of their wincon. Their goal might be to kill the elims, but the village will likely loose about as many members to them as to the elims, and if they succeed, the vilalge will loose just as much as when the elims win).

For this reason, I'm going to vote on Rae fro now, but I might add my vote onto Araris if that vote gains more traction.

Regarding the Joe vote, I see no reason why someone would vote on Joe purely because they have some sort of secret role.

[Young Bard he/him]

8 minutes ago, Lumgol said:

Alright, first roleclaim of the game I believe?

So. I would like to vote on Joe. That is because I am a Tineye 2, and can find out his role if I vote for him.

However, with 2 people already voting on him, he might be lynched. I would encourage at least one of you two ( @Mailliw73 @Young Bard) to move your vote off Joe. I'd like to scan him and find out what kind of secret he is, instead of just killing him because he exists.

Rand (for now). Joe.

...Well, this will probably grant your wish, if not in the way you were hoping - Joe, Lumgol. That is an extremely useful role to claim to the thread, and I struggle to see a villager making that claim to the entire thread. I'm wondering if you might be Vin, since you have to find out Joe's role today before you get a different role next cycle.

EDIT: There's a lot of resistance to the Joe lynch, which I'm still certainly not opposed to - can I say that it's not just that Joe has a secret role? It's that Joe has some sort of secret role, and has not given any sort of clarification or indication as to what's going on, or even posted anything at all. Once I'd seen some sort of response (which I'd expected by this point in the cycle), I'd have removed my vote anyway.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Young Bard

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Randuir I'm trying to push a "elim and mistborn won't look that different in the thread" idea.

[Lumgol she/her]

41 minutes ago, Young Bard said:

I'm wondering if you might be Vin, since you have to find out Joe's role today before you get a different role next cycle.

There are a few gaps in this logic. First of all, I suggested that we seek out to eliminate Mistborn in response to Rand's suggestion about PM's. Secondly, Joe was getting votes on him and, along with my vote, it made him have the most votes of any player. Without me openly trying to find out his role and discouraging others to vote for him, Joe might be lynched this round. I'd want to find out a role that we can interact with, rather than one that it's already too late to interact with.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 minutes ago, Lumgol said:

There are a few gaps in this logic. First of all, I suggested that we seek out to eliminate Mistborn in response to Rand's suggestion about PM's. Secondly, Joe was getting votes on him and, along with my vote, it made him have the most votes of any player. Without me openly trying to find out his role and discouraging others to vote for him, Joe might be lynched this round. I'd want to find out a role that we can interact with, rather than one that it's already too late to interact with.

I don't think this really means anything. Killing mistborn is what the village wants to do, and everyone wants to appear village regardless of alignment.

Edit: However, I'm not trying to contradict my earlier post. I just think that suggesting the village go after the baddies is NAI or elim, rather than village.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Araris Valerian

[Mailliw73 he/him]

The legend of the Drake of Marshalls seemed a bit trumped up to Laila. She’d never heard of this guy. Probably another story like Koloss invading and skaa Mistborn. But the message was clear: watch for any rogue allomancers in addition to the infiltrators. What a mess this place was. If she thought she’d be able to find a safe way to get to Tremredare, she’d do it. 

De’Tess seemed a bit disgruntled still about Laila’s accusation earlier. Laila sighed as she heard that report. “I don’t always accuse someone because I believe that they’re certainly a vile creature. Sometimes it’s just to test them and listen to their responses. Lord Ruler knows being blessed with Rioting has taught me well how emotions manifest.” 

And now there was another claim of allomancy among the skaa? One of the Assembly’s own representatives thought she was a Tineye? Hah. Skaa only thought they could be blessed with powers like allomancy. Ridiculous. 

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Bard, what you are forgetting, is a D1 roleclaim would be super risky for Vin. Vin would have results, but only for 1 day. They could fake a second one on Zane, but after that they have nothing. And even doing that would risk exposing Zane. If Lumgol is Vin, we ask her for her results D3 (or a couple trusted villagers ask her that night). She will be caught if Vin.

Maill, yeah, I made a couple exaggerations for the purpose of saying that sort of in charecter. xD

Araris, people have definitely done stuff this game. Random votes should be easy to move, yet it seems it takes a lot of effort for you to move yours.  Lum responded to your question, and while she didnt have definitive answers, she posed ideas and tried to start a conversation. That is something that counters why you put your vote down in the first place.  I dont believe I criticized you for voting on her, but for keeping your vote on her after she addressed why you voted on her.

Everyone voting on Joe, I genuinely think Joe cant talk in thread. I plan on trying to PM him tonight, and would like it if you all dont mess that up. : P (granted, I am not positive he will respond to PMs eather... )

Why am I so sure he cant speak in the thread? A couple reasons.

   1. When I tagged him asking if he was playing, he was in the thread. He was also lurking almost the entire first half of the day.  A "are you playing this game" is pretty easy, and Joe historically has not completely avoided posting. So I believe something stopped him.

   2. He was a co-gm at one point. If he know some or all of the games secrets, it would make sense to somehow prevent him from spilling them.

   3. Name ISNT IN THE PLAYER LIST. What does this mean? Can we even lynch him? Idk.

   4. Fifth implied that he couldn't speak. He heavily implied Joe could only interact with us INDIRECTLY. Speaking in thread, would be directly influencing the game. Do you disagree?

#4 should be good enough for everyone to remove their votes from Joe.

If you want to vote on Joe just to see if he can be lynched... I can understand that. But what if he can be lynched? I suspect he will be a powerful asset, and I dont want him dead.

[Snipexe he/him]

Sorry, I got caught up in some stuff yesterday. No game thoughts at this point, as I've just read the thread to check for rp. I should have some more comments, not matter how invaluable, a bit later.

(Sidenote: do we know if Joe can post or not?)

---

Snip awoke relaxed, his message had been sent,

The message reads as follows:

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Thief at the shop tonight, stole shears. I’m taking it up with the enforcers, but you and I both know how corrupt they can be. I’m hoping for both of our sakes there’s someone within your guard that might be able to lend us a hand.

 

The contact agreed to a meeting, Survivors Square, 10:00. He’ll be wearing an ash blue blazer. Code phrase is “Ash Falls.” Proper response is “And blood follows.” He will lead you to a secure location. I will not be able to to come to the meeting only to make make sure you connect, as I need to file a report with the Canton of Enforcement, and get the shop repaired. 

 

@Cadmium Compounder @A Joe in the Bush

 

He climbed down the stairs, sighing as he knew the sight that would greet him when arrived at the bottom. Ash stained the floor of the room, and the cloth was wet with the remnants of the mist. He pulled out a broom, sweeping slowly, clearing the ash. Once that task was finished he grabbed some boards and a few nails, left over from when he had built a new set of stairs, and hammered them into the broken window, providing some temporary cover, while they waited out the siege. After that was finished, he stepped to walk over the Canton of Enforcement. The line was short when he arrived, relatively few people were there. Snip took his place at the back, idling running his hands through his thinning hair while he waited. When it was finally his turn in line, he stepped to the front. "I would like to report a thief. I run the quilt and suit shop in the commercial district. The Executive's Scissors, you probably haven't heard of it. Last night a thief smashed through my front window and stole some of my merchandise. I attempted to pursue, but was unable. The man at the front desk sighed. "Listen man, if these were ordinary times, yes I would be able to send someone to check things out, but these are not ordinary times. And even under the Lord Ruler, we wouldn't really be able to chase after something like this. There's no evidence, no leads, just an ordinary thief." Snip left silently, face downturned. Hopefully Cadoxi would be able to come through. He returned to the shop, pleased to see a growing line, and went in the back entrance. He made the final preparations for opening, and then unlocked the front doors.

@Arraenae

[STINK he/him]

2 hours ago, Lumgol said:

I'd like to scan him and find out what kind of secret he is, instead of just killing him because he exists.

Rand (for now). Joe.

Breaking Jumae character 'cause this is gonna be a pain to say in character while avoiding the letter m, and also cause why would RP Jumae even bother with such a silly thing such as this, he is above such things so sends Stink in to clear some things up. There, I am now RPing Jumae who is RPing myself. So I ain't breaking character, I am just really immersed in my character who is above being confined to one sub board of the forum. 

Anyway, This is the only vote on Joe I will allow because we'll get something from it, even if they then die to Elims/Whatever-the-collective-is-this-game-when-you-count-mistborns and that's a long word combined with dashes or w/e. Reasons why is cause they've claimed and we can always test their claim before anything else happens next phase. 

Only vote the Stink is allowed to allow by Jumae (which makes sense).

2 hours ago, Young Bard said:

EDIT: There's a lot of resistance to the Joe lynch, which I'm still certainly not opposed to - can I say that it's not just that Joe has a secret role? It's that Joe has some sort of secret role, and has not given any sort of clarification or indication as to what's going on, or even posted anything at all. Once I'd seen some sort of response (which I'd expected by this point in the cycle), I'd have removed my vote anyway.

There should be much more resistance to the Joe lynch, and you should be opposed to it. 

In fact, could someone with time/good memory trawl through the D1 thread and find who first started talking about Joe and a whole summary of the Joe situation? There's probably someone out there doing too much analysis and all that.

19 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

If you want to vote on Joe just to see if he can be lynched... I can understand that. But what if he can be lynched? I suspect he will be a powerful asset, and I dont want him dead.

DO NOT DO THIS.

CAPS ARE FOR EMPHASIS AND ALSO BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOUTING AT YOU ALL THROUGH TEXT, I DON'T GET TO DO IT MUCH.

Anyway, y'all are wasting votes. Like everyone keeps going on if he can be lynched or whatever, and all this analysis and stuff. Which is great stuff guys, keep all this logic stuff going. Big fan. I just think it's all misdirected logic stuff, cause peeps seem to be jumping the gun a bit here. I get it's D1 so people are bored, but even still, just do some RP or whatever.

If Joe can be lynched, hooray we've just randomly killed a co-GM and get nothing whatsoever from it (at least in public).

If Joe cannot be lynched, you have all wasted your votes and like thrown them into the void (or some other bin) and I'll just feel a bit sad cause everyone's committing to it when like why? Anyway, I'm getting distracted so gonna end the post here and let y'all over-analyse it or whatever.

Also I'm gonna vote for whoever has the most votes near end of the cycle (excluding Joe because you guys are wack).

[Straw he/him]

I've read through all of the posts so far, and not that much has stood out.

I'm not fond of Randuir's proposal. PMs make a lot of problems worse, and don't seem to offer that many advantages.

I find it odd that Lumgol is claiming so soon, but I'm unsure about whether they should be lynched.

I'm also unsure about lynching Joe. I feel like waiting until D2 to lynch him would net us more information, as we'd get to see if anything happened during the night.

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Furamirionind, it is impossible to have reason behind a vote when nobody has done anything in the game. Furthermore, as Stink pointed out, "poke voting" is pointless. Players show up or they don't, regardless of who has poked them. Whoever we end up killing this cycle is going to be almost entirely random, despite what we may like to think. Someone definitely has to die every day cycle of the game, because of the game mechanics. I am just willing to do the dirty work, so to speak.

Poke voting definitely serves a purpose, as it encourages people to post earlier instead of lurking, thus generating more discussion.

In addition, not doing anything can be a reasonable basis for a vote, at least until they start saying more things. However, it should only be used to prompt people to post more, unless they're deliberately not posting in order to be harder to read.

So far this game you've seemed to be discouraging discussion, which I dislike. Araris.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Let me just throw in my two boxings. Joe has a secret role of some kind, most of us can agree on this. However, what's the fun in a secret role that can't be used? What a wasted effort it would be to have a strange and mysterious role and not have it used! So please, don't lynch Joe. I'm curious to see what will happen.

Lum's roleclaim is kind of... weird? Why? It's D1. If I had a role like that, I would have waited until a more opportune moment to spring that tasty info on the thread.

Now, of the leading candidates, I don't understand the rationale behind Rand. Maybe I missed something. Lum... jury's out for now. The claim was strange, like I said, but lynchworthy? Probably not. I've already mentioned Joe.

And just in: Araris. I also don't get the Araris vote. I get what he's saying about Mistborn; they are the determining factor in the village's victory.

Since I can't decide, I'll leave my vote on Straw.

[Furamirionind They/Any/All]

Complete mindmeld with Stink. Listen to him. He is smart.

I agree with everything HH said except the vote on Araris. I think my posts laid out pretty clear why I think he is lynchworthy.

[Steeldancer he/him]

22 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Unless I'm very mistaken, the unstable Mistborn aren't really serial killers. They have (almost) the same win condition as the village, although the two are mutually exclusive, but the usual SK role has the goal of killing everyone.

 

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Randuir I'm trying to push a "elim and mistborn won't look that different in the thread" idea.

I don't like these posts. Elims and Mistborn will likely not look the same, and because they have different vulnerabilities and allies, I feel like this attitude of sort of pushing off worrying about the serial killer is highly suspicious. There is some merit to the idea of leaving Zane alive to leave as little work as possible for us when lynching the final elims. But, that's what allowed me to win LG41. If they had bothered to go after me earlier, they might have stood a chance. In essence, I feel as though Araris is trying to turn down the threat of the serial killer, and that makes me suspicious. Araris. 

[Lumgol she/her]

I'd like to say that although I'll still vote for Joe to try to scan him, I would support a lynch on Araris. The reasons have mostly been already stated - it's mostly him keeping his vote on Ark even after being told that he was lynched D1 recently, and then him voting on me with what looked to be a... clarifying question about my argument, rather than a counterargument. 

[+Ark1002]

I'm gonna go Rand, Araris.

This might seem biased, considering they're voting on me, but it seems strange to me they're trying to kill me for no reason, even knowing that I was lynched first turn just last turn.