The Chat Thread

[Nohadon he/him]

3 hours ago, Voidus said:

everyone has functionally infinite money given that we're not tracking it

*ahem*

[FatherTiempo he/him]

Does Brandon Sanderson say that the Cosmere is made of Solar Systems of actual universes per book. If solar systems then you could use something like ripe and tears placed in space and time by Voidus. It would be similar to wormholes and with Allomancy it might be possible to sustain them for longer.

[Nohadon he/him]

Just now, FatherTiempo said:

Does Brandon Sanderson say that the Cosmere is made of Solar Systems of actual universes per book. If solar systems then you could use something like ripe and tears placed in space and time by Voidus. It would be similar to wormholes and with Allomancy it might be possible to sustain them for longer.

Hey and welcome to the shard! Have an upvote and a cookie!.

If I remember correctly, the cosmere is a dwarf galaxy so that could in fact work. We'll definitely keep that in mind.

[Voidus]

5 hours ago, Nohadon said:

*ahem*

As far as I knew that wasn't really being measured still, at least not with small to medium transactions. It'd be a bit of a nightmare to track for all existing characters. But you'd be the one to know if it was

[old man moomba he/him]

I had an idea. What if, between the Alleyplanet and some of the oter planets, there is a barrier. It would be similar to Ark's Investiture void idea, with a few modifications. It would prevent most sources of Investiture from passing through, and prevent Investiture based teleportation. 

Basically you can't use lazy person cards Tia cards to get past it. And I think it would add some fun RP opportunities. 

[FatherTiempo he/him]

Maybe the barrier could be the actual fabric of space-time. The reason the Aon Tia couldn't work was because it can only transport you along the 'line' that is the solar systems of cosmere. It can't go 'down' to Alleyverse. Except the two dimensional plane would be three dimensional and the Alleyverse would be tucked away in a pocket of space-time.

Edited February 17, 2019 by FatherTiempo

[MacThorstenson he/him]

33 minutes ago, Dr. Dapper said:

I had an idea. What if, between the Alleyplanet and some of the oter planets, there is a barrier. It would be similar to Ark's Investiture void idea, with a few modifications. It would prevent most sources of Investiture from passing through, and prevent Investiture based teleportation. 

Basically you can't use lazy person cards Tia cards to get past it. And I think it would add some fun RP opportunities. 

The question is, what happens if the alleyverse gets into the space age? We have a lot of different advanced companies around and it’s not inconceivable that they get to rockets soon. Whatever obstruction that we invent shouldn’t be easily bypassed by technology or investiture.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

12 hours ago, Voidus said:

There were dozens of Dor users being Nicrobursted and making deliberately inefficient Aonic equations during an Alleystorm to bring down the barrier. I don't think we could rationalize any level of Tia cards coming close to that. Additionally economic restrictions aren't likely to make a difference in a world where everyone has functionally infinite money given that we're not tracking it

That being said I'm really not a fan of Tia cards being as popularized as they are, it removes a lot of RP opportunities and introduces a little too much handwaving for my liking. Even barring that though, the CR can be used for local travel without much difficulty.

That's a fair point, which is why I came up with the idea of it weakening the fabric of space on the alleyplanet. Really, it doesn't matter why they are regulated, only that they are.

4 hours ago, Voidus said:

As far as I knew that wasn't really being measured still, at least not with small to medium transactions. It'd be a bit of a nightmare to track for all existing characters. But you'd be the one to know if it was

I'm certain he's keeping track of things, even if it isn't openly used. And buying Aon Tia cards (if it was accepted) would be tied to OC accounts, which are limited. 

If we get rid of Aon Tia cards, then long distances, physical barriers, and chronological disjunctions should provide enough of a deterrent to travel to allow us to keep things on the Alleyplanet and reduce complexity.

[+Ark1002]

On 2/15/2019 at 6:28 PM, Voidus said:

Hello all,

I've been discussing something with the other AV mods and I think we're at the point that we should probably float the idea with the wider community. Recently the Alleyverse has become a lot more complicated of a place, there are a lot of characters in this era. Enough that it's going to get really awkward to remember them all and where they are at a given time especially given characters ability to jump from thread to thread rapidly.

So, I've been proposing the creation of the Alley-multiverse, where we expand out from the existing setting into other dimensions, universes, etc. Basically anywhere that actually poses a difficulty in travelling to and fro rather than just stepping into a perpendicularity and instantly appearing where you need to be.

This lets us physically separate settings so that each one can be a little smaller and more self contained than the current setup, and also establish multiple settings, allow for different power balances, etc.

So, thoughts?

I'm against it.

It won't help much, as most people will be in multiple universes, and just makes it even more complicated, and I think that's going a step too far.

[+Sorana she/her]

11 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

If we get rid of Aon Tia cards, then long distances, physical barriers, and chronological disjunctions should provide enough of a deterrent to travel to allow us to keep things on the Alleyplanet and reduce complexity.

Apart from those able to use Transportation. They still can get around easily. But yes, I agree, that it should work. And if we all agree on reducing the "thread jumping" a bit, then it should work. But we need to make sure, that you can move your character else where, if the thread doesn't work for you, for various reasons (pace, ...). Otherwise we'll end up with people creating tons of characters, as theirs are stuck somewhere.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Sorana

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Teleportation?

Are you talking about Willshaper Transportation?

Because that's the same thing as Elsecaller Transportation.

Edited February 17, 2019 by xinoehp512

[+Sorana she/her]

2 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

Are you talking about Willshaper Transportation?

Because that's the same thing as Elsecaller Transportation.

That's why I wrote transportation and didn't specify the order they belong to.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

CR travel doesn't reduce distance. In addition, you basically have to walk, as there isn't a whole lot of transport. It's a valid travel method, but it doesn't make it any easier to get anywhere.

[beantheboy12 he/him]

Trains!

[+Ark1002]

2 minutes ago, beantheboy12 said:

Trains!

CR trains!

[+Sorana she/her]

16 minutes ago, xinoehp512 said:

CR travel doesn't reduce distance. In addition, you basically have to walk, as there isn't a whole lot of transport. It's a valid travel method, but it doesn't make it any easier to get anywhere.

Actually we've seen Jasnah teleport some guards around in OB, if I remember right. And distances can be weird in the CR, but yes, I agree, it's not as easy and fast using the CR than via Aon Tia.

Which leads to a different point. How does the Alleyverse's CR look like?

[xinoehp512 he/him]

 

When does she do that?

[MacThorstenson he/him]

3 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

If we get rid of Aon Tia cards, then long distances, physical barriers, and chronological disjunctions should provide enough of a deterrent to travel to allow us to keep things on the Alleyplanet and reduce complexity.

This doesnt change the fact that 90% of plot in the alleyverse happens in the alleycity or within reasonable traveling distance of the alleycity. 

Inside of the city there is bound to be some form of public transportation that allows people to move around, and most people don’t use Tia Cards to move around within city centered plots.

So long as most of the plot happens inside of the city, I don’t think that removing the Tia cards would have an enourmus impact on reducing the complexity.

The issue that we are trying to solve is that the RP in the alleycity is enormously complex.

It doesn’t matter how we make things simpler, whether by universe splitting or just breaking up the cities, but we need to eventually create different settings that are  separated to some degree. 

My concern with keeping them on the same planet is that people want to keep modern technology. So things like airplanes and helicopters can heavily reduce travel times and can keep everything connected.  

If we find someway to ensure that that doesn’t happen, we could try to come up with different areas in the alleycontinent/alleyplanet. 

[Sherlock Holmes he/him]

Yeah, I need Tia cards for Tena, since she has to get back to her house fast sometimes, like if she was attacked while with Solstice.

[FatherTiempo he/him]

What is CR?

[Sherlock Holmes he/him]

1 minute ago, FatherTiempo said:

What is CR?

Cognitive Realm.

[Lord Meeker he/him]

@Snipexe and I wanted to bring in destiny since war hammer 40k was approved. Here is the summary.

Destiny is a Sci-Fi/Fantasy game taking place in a post-apocalyptic Solar System. The basic premise is as follows. In the near future, a large unknown object was spotted entering the solar system, and went to Mars. Humanity launched a mission and made contact. The object was discovered to be a large sentient sphere, called The Traveler and Humanity made an alliance with it. This began the Golden Age for humanity, where many advances were made in technology. The Golden Age was incredible, and soon humanity had colonized most if not all of the planets of the Solar System. However behind the Traveler, many foes came, called the darkness. These enemies were alien foes, who were attracted to the traveler’s light, and wanted to take it for their own. They launched an attack on the Traveler, causing it to go dormant, and damaging it permenantly. The Travelers last act was to release Ghosts, small baseball sized robots that can hover. These ghosts have the ability to reanimate the dead, creating Guardians. These Guardians are warriors, helping to protect humanity and to combat humanity’s foes, whatever they may be. In order to aid in this these Guardians were given special powers, called the Light, to help combat the Darkness.

How, you might be asking, do these so called Guardians get into the Alleyverse. We know that there is at least 1 dimensionalist epic in the Reckoners, so it isn’t impossible for there to be more. A fireteam of Guardians was ripped from their dimension, and into the reckoner’s by one of these dimensionalists. They brought with them a shard of the Traveler, enabling them to fuel both their light and their Ghosts. The same dimensionalist then sent the Guardians to the Alleyverse, instead of returning them to their own dimension. These Guardians now view investiture as the Darkness’s manifestation in this realm, and so it’s their goal to eliminate it.

The powers of Guardians is as follows:

1. Resurrection: When Guardians die, they can be resurrected by their Ghost. However if they are left too long without being resurrected they lose their memories.

2. There are 3 classes of Guardians, Hunters (Scouts or Snipers) Titans (Heavy Hitters, or “Tanks” (In videogame terminology)) and Warlocks (Mages or Palidans)

Each class has several different sub classes with special abilities, called supers. These Supers can only be used roughly once per 5 minutes, and make their users harder to kill while active. They last roughly 15-30 seconds.

Hunters have Gunslingers (Who can pull a Golden Gun out of the air that fires several devastating flaming bullets), Nightstalkers (Fires a Void bow that tethers enemies in range of its arrows, weakening and slowing them) and Bladedancer (has an electric staff)

Titans have Hammers of Sol (gains flaming hammers to throw at people), Sentinels (Like Captain America but with a void shield), and Fists of Havoc (Basically Thor at the end of Thor:Ragnarok)

Warlocks have Nova Bomb (Basically just a giant Void bomb that is thrown, exploding in contact), Dawnblade (Gets a giant flaming sword, and the ability to fly), and a Stormcaller (Lightning shoots out of the fingers)

3. Increased Mobility. Guardians have increased strength and jumping abilities.

These powers are negated if their ghosts are damaged

 

Restrictive qualities to the light agreed upon by us. Being pulled over to this dimension the guardians light is restricted. Not gone. The mentioned light abilities take longer to charge limit to one super ability and a guardian can't be revived unlimited times. Upward of nine max.

There should be a poll above. Tell us what you think. If it is approved then @Snipexe and I will make a Index score sheet.

[Karnatheon he/him]

So, we had previously voted against any non-Warhammer sci-fi being included. If we did end up going with an alternate universe system people we're talking about with a bunch of different worlds and such, I think it would be easier to introduce those types of things in other universes, which would allow for people to bring in whatever kind of stuff they wanted, just restricted to that universe. Just my thoughts. I don't really care either way 

[old man moomba he/him]

If we can add in Sci-Fi with the alternate universes, then I am totally in.

Although I really want to know how inter-universal travel would work.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

18 hours ago, MacThorstenson said:

This doesnt change the fact that 90% of plot in the alleyverse happens in the alleycity or within reasonable traveling distance of the alleycity. 

Inside of the city there is bound to be some form of public transportation that allows people to move around, and most people don’t use Tia Cards to move around within city centered plots.

So long as most of the plot happens inside of the city, I don’t think that removing the Tia cards would have an enourmus impact on reducing the complexity.

The issue that we are trying to solve is that the RP in the alleycity is enormously complex.

It doesn’t matter how we make things simpler, whether by universe splitting or just breaking up the cities, but we need to eventually create different settings that are  separated to some degree. 

My concern with keeping them on the same planet is that people want to keep modern technology. So things like airplanes and helicopters can heavily reduce travel times and can keep everything connected.  

If we find someway to ensure that that doesn’t happen, we could try to come up with different areas in the alleycontinent/alleyplanet. 

Alleycanes. The Alleystorm covers only a fraction of the planet; the rest would be patrolled by various named and unnamed alleycanes. The risk of getting hit by one of those- which would almost certainly take you down- would deter air travel.