old man moomba Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, #Voidapple said: It's... not a turn around... I have an opinion now... No! Back to the egg mines with you! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, AxeliustheGreat said: You literally just explained why he'd want to do it. *insert winky face emoji* If that is the actual reason, I will kill him. I'm serious, but I don't mean actual murder. I mean, I would be angry enough to do so, but have enough self control not to do so. 11 minutes ago, I think I am here. said: Please don’t shout. It comes across wrongly in text. ................sorry? WARING: EMOTIONAL INFORMATION. SKIP IF IT WILL MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE I apologize for the outburst. It is just, not only doesn't Ark move the vote from 10 to 8 to 10 to 9 which is a much worse fro me, I just have a lot riding on the Jackal, emotionally. I almost quit for good when the Halo aspects of the Precursors were revoked, kind of because of the Jackal. The Jackal started as a Halo Jackal pirate. He was the only survivor of 1,000 Jackals who went through the Spartan program. That is really all you need to know about that. I had plans for him, I really wanted to do him, and then Halo got blocked. I almost broke down. I stopped myself, and came up with The Jackal, which is where the name comes from. To lose this one as well would leave me with no where else to go, and I do see a way out. Add that with personal issues that none of you want to hear about, and I really need to see a therapist about, and this just seems like a dark hole that if I fall into, I can't get back out of. I know it doesn't affect me in real life, but the Shard is my only real escape from real life, and The Jackal is the main part of me getting back up to a stale emotional state. If I lose him, I won't have anything else to do, and everything that I have worked for will collapse, and I am very unhappy with Ark for changing his mind to be completely against what I need so much. Thank you for caring enough to read this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I think I am here. Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said: sorry? Don’t worry about it. Outbursts aren’t a good way of getting things approved, though you’ve explained yourself so I don’t need to say more. Edited January 31, 2019 by I think I am here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Though, to be fair, I did cast my vote in favor of the Jackal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipexe Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said: Without him I have no plans for era 3 and I have no reason to continue doing this! I only became active again when I went inactive because I came up with him! EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE PLANNED IN THE ALLEYVERSE FOR AN ENTIRE ERA HINGES ON HIM! WHY WOULD YOU, A PERSON WHO IS MY FRIEND IRL GO AGAINST THAT!? IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU! Alright, this feels like a bit of an overreaction. I think if you apply a few simple nerfs to the Jackal, he can become much more balanced. The following is a potential rewrite, that while nerfing him in several areas, keeps the core of his skills. Quote He has a mask that enhances his physical attributes +45 M I think if you changed this from being pewter leveled, you could make this on par with someone who has spent several years training in various different physical areas. This lets you transfer magical points to skill points, and also lets you balance him more. Quote appears to enhance his senses, +35 M I think if you maybe changed this to one or two specific senses (say vision or smell) you could decrease the overall magic points, while keeping the intended effect of enhancing his senses. Quote enhances his response time a startling degree, +30 M I think you could change this to a physical skill, and explain more on how much his reactions are enhanced. If it’s within (although with a few years of training) natural levels, then I think it is reasonable to combine this with the above physical training. If it is beyond natural levels, then I would suggest bringing it down to normal levels. Quote allows him to radiate fear, +35M allows him to radiate darkness, +20M I would honestly just cut these out entirely. They cost valuable magic points, where they could be used for his more vital powers, and they appear to be vital the core of the character. Quote stop and reverse age, +30 M Is this really nessesary? If it is, the leave it, but if it isn’t, then I would take it out. It won’t have a noticeable effect on rp, assuming that you aren’t planning on doing this character for hundreds of years, and aging allows character growth, which can be useful, and help build a better backstory. Quote jump incredibly high, (counting as part of the first) As long as you leave this as part of the first portion, making it more skillfully high then incredibly, then this doesn’t require points Quote and to fill anyone who looks into the glowing red eyes of the mask with a burning hot hatred, and rage. +35 M This is also not nessesary for the overall character. Quote He also has the surge of division, but this is a lot weaker, and come from a void spren trapped in a crystal on the forehead of the mask. +45 M (considering it a Surge Fabrial This is fine. At this point you could keep a normal level of division, and I think it would remain balanced. So this new is the new Jackal based on my suggestions: Quote Has trained for several years, leading to enhanced, but still human, physical abilities, including increased jump height. +40 Points S(Skilled Level) 2 Enhanced Senses +15-30 M points depending on which points are chosen Reaction time is skilled, so I’m going to go with roughly +25S Division (How will this be powered?) +80 M points This version ends up with 65 S points, and 110 M points. This leaves you with the ability to add one of the powers I suggest cutting out. Overall, what this should be is a Jackal that is slightly less overpowered, but still technically has an edge over an average citizen in combat. I personally feel this is much more balanced, and would support this character, as long as they rp’d with the nerfs included. Edited January 31, 2019 by Snipexe 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Snipexe said: I think if you maybe changed this to one or two specific senses (say vision or smell) you could decrease the overall magic points, while keeping the intended effect of enhancing his senses. Ummm... The small problem with this is that he is a tin compounder. I never intended to actually use it to this degree, and it was really just him using a bare minimum, so he can sense stuff. Just to explain, he cannot show anyone any clues to his identity. I know I should have mentioned this before, but I forgot to and I didn't expect anyone to point system it. 56 minutes ago, Snipexe said: Is this really nessesary? If it is, the leave it, but if it isn’t, then I would take it out. It won’t have a noticeable effect on rp, assuming that you aren’t planning on doing this character for hundreds of years, and aging allows character growth, which can be useful, and help build a better backstory. It is. He is over 60 years old. 56 minutes ago, Snipexe said: This is also not nessesary for the overall character. He has a voidspren in a gemstone in his helmet. That is also how he powers the division surge. To define the power fo the surge, if he presses his hand to someones face, he sends a surge through their head, destroying their head, and he can blow up a thin wall. 56 minutes ago, Snipexe said: I think you could change this to a physical skill, and explain more on how much his reactions are enhanced. If it’s within (although with a few years of training) natural levels, then I think it is reasonable to combine this with the above physical training. If it is beyond natural levels, then I would suggest bringing it down to normal levels. I don't think this was increased that much, but it was increased beyond natural levels. You also forgot the staff, and you didn't remove the weaknesses. Here's what I have if I follow this stuff, Tin Compounder +100 M Division +45m Reaction time +30m Physical Attributes +5m +25sk (He is incredibly strong normally, and the mask assists him) Rage +45m Staff +20sk Actual Skill +50sk Political Skill +15sk Armor +10 sk Personnel Rage -20 Mask That Grants his Powers Meaning Removable -60 Likes to Play with his Food, Meaning he will Refrain from Finishing his Enemy off, if he can Practically do so, to Lengthen their Suffering(I decided to add a few more weaknesses as without the mask, he is still a tin compounder) -15 Incredibly nearsighted without his tin -30 Bad at, well, being a good person. This means that he will shun people, and will generally not make them like him -20 While he can predict the movements of his main enemy, he fails at predicting third parties, which allows him to be surprised(Thrawn Syndrome) -15 Which collects up to, in my opinion, with all the weaknesses, 100m 100sk. Which means I need a set weakness that removes roughly 50 points, that doesn't compromise the character. Any ideas? Thanks dude. Really. Edited January 31, 2019 by Darth Woodrack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I think I am here. Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 I don’t think there are many weaknesses that go over 50, let alone 70. Maybe trauma? If he sees a specific something he’s incapacited? It can’t be a rare something otherwise it won’t Ben much of a weakness. Maybe he’s got some sort of weakness to some magic? Maybe magic healing doesn’t work as well on him, or maybe he’s vulnerable to emotional Allomancy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipexe Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 You could always do a variety of extra weaknesses, like say he can’t use guns (for ptsd), or maybe he has a specific code, that even though he is a villain there are certain people who he finds it immoral to kill. He could also struggle with technology, as he is from an earlier time. In situations without the mask, his personality could be off putting, leading to him being very recognizable when he is everyday situations. Also, on the tin compounding. It seems, to say the least, excessive to have him be a tin compounder. I bet you could make do with the same results by having him be a powerful tin burner, or a Ferring. The amount of sensing that tin compounding would be insane, like well beyond what Spook at the end of HOA was like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Doing that for one simple reason: it saves me the fifty, and spares forty five, allowing me to remove the nearsightedness, and allow him to have a fifteen pint weakness, such as being a savant. I think that's a weakness. Boom. Tin Misting +35 M Division +45m Reaction time +30m Physical Attributes +5m +25sk (He is incredibly strong normally, and the mask assists him) Rage +45m Staff +20sk Actual Skill +50sk Political Skill +15sk Armor +10 sk Personnel Rage -20 Mask That Grants his Powers Meaning Removable -60 Likes to Play with his Food, Meaning he will Refrain from Finishing his Enemy off, if he can Practically do so, to Lengthen their Suffering(I decided to add a few more weaknesses as without the mask, he is still a tin compounder) -15 He is a tin savant -15 Bad at, well, being a good person. This means that he will shun people, and will generally not make them like him -20 While he can predict the movements of his main enemy, he fails at predicting third parties, which allows him to be surprised(Thrawn Syndrome) -15 Which collects up to, in my opinion, with all the weaknesses, 100m 50sk. I retract my request for community approval. He should be fine now. Thanks guys, you're the best! Edited January 31, 2019 by Darth Woodrack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snipexe Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 That seems much better, and while I would still probably decrease the effect the weaknesses have on him, overall it is in good shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Thanks. I will. I'll probably add another smaller thing to even out the difference, but it should be good. Side note: I just did everything that was put in to say the point system shouldn't be used. Huh. That was hypocritical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sorana Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 He looks a lot better now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Okay, here's the Jackals current points, with a new weakness, jist in case I'm overestimating a weakness. I know I should be doing this in the Alleyverse character thread, but I would liek to resolve it here. @Archer? Is he good for character hood? Spoiler Tin Misting +35 M Division +45m Reaction time +30m Physical Attributes +5m +25sk (He is incredibly strong normally, and the mask assists him) Rage +45m Staff +20sk Actual Skill +50sk Political Skill +15sk Armor +10 sk Personnel Rage -20 Mask That Grants his Powers Meaning Removable -60 Likes to Play with his Food, Meaning he will Refrain from Finishing his Enemy off, if he can Practically do so, to Lengthen their Suffering(I decided to add a few more weaknesses as without the mask, he is still a tin compounder) -15 He is a tin savant -15 Bad at, well, being a good person. This means that he will shun people, and will generally not make them like him -20 While he can predict the movements of his main enemy, he fails at predicting third parties, which allows him to be surprised(Thrawn Syndrome) -15 He cannot work for someone. He can suck up, and make someone think he works for them, but only if he is also plotting their downfall. -10 Which collects up to, in my opinion, with all the weaknesses, 95m 45sk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I think I am here. Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Glad you could sort him out. He looks great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Darth Woodrack said: Doing that for one simple reason: it saves me the fifty, and spares forty five, allowing me to remove the nearsightedness, and allow him to have a fifteen pint weakness, such as being a savant. I think that's a weakness. Boom. Tin Misting +35 M Division +45m Reaction time +30m Physical Attributes +5m +25sk (He is incredibly strong normally, and the mask assists him) Rage +45m Staff +20sk Actual Skill +50sk Political Skill +15sk Armor +10 sk Personnel Rage -20 Mask That Grants his Powers Meaning Removable -60 Likes to Play with his Food, Meaning he will Refrain from Finishing his Enemy off, if he can Practically do so, to Lengthen their Suffering(I decided to add a few more weaknesses as without the mask, he is still a tin compounder) -15 He is a tin savant -15 Bad at, well, being a good person. This means that he will shun people, and will generally not make them like him -20 While he can predict the movements of his main enemy, he fails at predicting third parties, which allows him to be surprised(Thrawn Syndrome) -15 Which collects up to, in my opinion, with all the weaknesses, 100m 50sk. I retract my request for community approval. He should be fine now. Thanks guys, you're the best! I personally think that you've overestimated the weakness points. That isn't worth minus 60, anger issues aren't worth minus twenty. All your weaknesses are over the top for subtractions, and Tin savant is arguably helpful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whattheHoid Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 I think you should go with the Jackal! @Darth WoodrackWoodrackWoodrackWooWoodrWoodrackWoodrackWoodrackWoo Dumb mobile! Anyways he looks really neat! I like the character! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, whattheHoid said: I think you should go with the Jackal! @Darth WoodrackWoodrackWoodrackWooWoodrWoodrackWoodrackWoodrackWoo Dumb mobile! Anyways he looks really neat! I like the character! You're always really supportive, so bravo for that, even if I disagree with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whattheHoid Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 That is ok! @#Voidapple I am Hoid! And I always support things and people! The Jackal can't be worse than the time I supported the plan to shatter Adonalsium. That.....may have been a slight mistake in judgement on my part, but if I didn't support it I wouldn't have known it wasn't a bad idea! So goooo Jackal! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 I wonder if you'd support a return to Hellbent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 *waves arms wildly* That is not happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 *Dark grin spreads across face* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 *bravely runs away* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whattheHoid Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 I'd say yes! Hellbent! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Woodrack Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) A few things. I'm not looking fro your approval Ark. I am looking for Archers approval. Being a tin savant wasn't helpful to Spook, now was it? I would think that having the thing were your powers come from being removable would be a very significant weakness. You used to wrong list. I added another weakness to help with the difference in opinion. I would think that being filled with a deep burning hatred that leads to control issues, would be a good weakness, as he as trouble stopping hurting someone, and he explodes to small things. He can barely control his desire to kill everyone around him. Thrawn syndrome is a serious weakness, as it got Thrawn, the greatest non robotic tactical mind in Sci-Fi and fantasy, to my knowledge, killed. I don't think I overestimated any of the weaknesses, at least not by much. Sure, he can work on his own, and be a good individual, but he will be hunted by a large group, that probably won't fall apart. If he pushes everyone away, he could be taken down by a group, and he won't have plot armor that time. Sure, his political skill would help him, but all these handicaps would be a severe disadvantage. So, hi not being able to be genuine and make actual friends, for a multitude of reasons, is a very significant weakness. Okay, so, why do you even care? It won't affect you, and all you're doing is saying, 'he can't have a character who might be one or two points over the limit,' while I know for a fact you still have a near full power Hellbent stashed away somewhere, and you can't wait to pull him out. It just seems incredibly hypocritical, and I don't see your argument, at all. @#Voidapple Edited January 31, 2019 by Darth Woodrack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ark1002 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Darth Woodrack said: Being a tin savant wasn't helpful to Spook, now was it? Yes, it kinda was... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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