TheMightyLopen he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 39 minutes ago, STINK said: I'm gonna drop the mint thing for this post, hopefully only this post. If we're gonna have all of our PM people waste their stuff on Aman, doing a 'follow the cop' strategy. Could we please at least have the cop co-operate now instead of withholding stuff? Nothing's gonna make people not vote for Araris, clearly. Just accept cop status. Or have people not take you for a cop. Either one, but please don't do an in-between thing. It's really only for this Cycle, since Amans scans can't be trusted as much as a Jeskeri Pendant use. And revealing a village scan puts that player in danger. I do think it's a little excessive how many Pms Aman has gotten, but hopefully that will also stop after this Turn so we can get more communication. 38 minutes ago, Kidpen said: I still have a PM. If you have any suggestions, let me know. Edit: Still looking for Monarch inheritance suggestions. Whoever posted the most the previous Cycle? Trying to think of something more creative, but nothing's coming to mind...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, Kidpen said: I still have a PM. If you have any suggestions, let me know. Edit: Still looking for Monarch inheritance suggestions. Hmm do you know of any good card games that can take an arbitrary number of players?
little wilson she/her Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Aman did tell me who he scanned, and I considered sharing that with the thread, but decided that with the pendants, we shouldn't get into the habit of trusting whatever the scans say, even to the point of soft-clearing a person. If Aman wishes the person's identity revealed, I will inform the thread, but for now, I think it best if we don't rely entirely on Aman in all things.
Kidpen he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Are there any thoughts on why Bort was killed by the eliminators? He sucked in a lot of votes, so he must have been a threat for some other reason.
little wilson she/her Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 I suspect it was because he was mostly confirmed village to most villagers due to the interaction with Aman, and he was also very unlikely to be protected.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, STINK said: If we're gonna have all of our PM people waste their stuff on Aman, doing a 'follow the cop' strategy. Could we please at least have the cop co-operate now instead of withholding stuff? Nothing's gonna make people not vote for Araris, clearly. Just accept cop status. Or have people not take you for a cop. Either one, but please don't do an in-between thing. I generally agree with this. But of the two options Stink is posing, I'd say "follow the cop" strategy isn't really going to work here, because Aman can only scan Elantrians, plus Jeskeri/Korathi pendants make scans unreliable, plus the JinDo could only delay Aman's death if the elims wanted him dead (and not even that, if the elims have a Jeskeri pendant). A multitude of game mechanics are stacked to punish "follow the cop" strategy. I trust that Aman believes withholding his scan target is in the interests of the village win con, and I generally trust Aman's judgement. I don't really mind if he chooses to withhold stuff. But I think it's a bit excessive to have 3 people in place to relay information that isn't even being disclosed in the first place. The only advantage we might reap from this is that if the elims happen to have a Seon, then they would either have to PM Aman or keep the Seon a secret. Not really worth giving up all the village PM resources over, imo. 1
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, little wilson said: I suspect it was because he was mostly confirmed village to most villagers due to the interaction with Aman, and he was also very unlikely to be protected. This is something worth analyzing. If anyone is having trouble figuring out what to do with the lynch being decided, go back over the Day 1 lynch, and look at who strongly defended Bort somehow. Post your thoughts on who you think is village based on the idea that: "The Jeskeri killed Bort because they knew that some villagers were convinced Bort was village, meaning it would be extremely difficult to get him lynched later in the game." Try to figure out who the "some villagers" are that convinced the Jeskeri to off Bort. Honest talk here: I was one of the first players to create a counter-wagon so Bort would survive, and here I am saying that type of thing is a village indicator, which makes it look like I'm trying to convince you I'm village in a roundabout way. I wanted to put that out there so I don't get accused of doing something shady. (Also I am totally village )
Walin he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Well, I think that anyone in the middle of a vote train could be suspicious, though since that is a pretty common opinion, some elims may be hiding at the end or the beginning of a vote train. I’d say to analyze accusations the most, because they’re the most reliable information-generators we can get. And to invite that kind of discussion into place, I’ll put a poke vote on (realizes he is bad at analysis and doesn’t know who to vote on) Walin. 1
little wilson she/her Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Drake Marshall said: I trust that Aman believes withholding his scan target is in the interests of the village win con, and I generally trust Aman's judgement. I don't really mind if he chooses to withhold stuff. But I think it's a bit excessive to have 3 people in place to relay information that isn't even being disclosed in the first place. The only advantage we might reap from this is that if the elims happen to have a Seon, then they would either have to PM Aman or keep the Seon a secret. Not really worth giving up all the village PM resources over, imo. I want to make it clear that Aman did not request that I not share that information with the thread. He also didn't tell me to share it either. I unilaterally decided not to, though if Aman would like it shared (I don't think he will), he can say so. Also, it's not like he asked to have multiple people start PMs with him. He didn't request to have people in place to relay information to the thread, and honestly, I didn't contact him to do so. I contacted him because I remember LG32 and the short time we were able to work together in that game and decided to reach out to him first when I got Bort's seon. The reason I have relayed info to the thread is because it seemed like the thread was held up on info that I had. It doesn't help to discuss "what if Aman didn't target Araris?" when I know that he did. Or "what was Aman's second action's results?" when I know the answer to that too. I don't like discussion stagnating and it doesn't help the village when it does. 1 hour ago, TheMightyLopen said: This is something worth analyzing. If anyone is having trouble figuring out what to do with the lynch being decided, go back over the Day 1 lynch, and look at who strongly defended Bort somehow. Post your thoughts on who you think is village based on the idea that: "The Jeskeri killed Bort because they knew that some villagers were convinced Bort was village, meaning it would be extremely difficult to get him lynched later in the game." Try to figure out who the "some villagers" are that convinced the Jeskeri to off Bort. Honest talk here: I was one of the first players to create a counter-wagon so Bort would survive, and here I am saying that type of thing is a village indicator, which makes it look like I'm trying to convince you I'm village in a roundabout way. I wanted to put that out there so I don't get accused of doing something shady. (Also I am totally village ) I'm....not sure that's a wise course of action, actually. Through Aman's comment alone about how obvious it was that Bort was village after he outed Aman to the thread and that the lynch needs to change, that's enough to get some villagers looking at Bort and judging him for themselves. At that point, the Jeskeri could easily have decided they'll kill him during the night and then they could say in the thread that he's village and try to move the lynch, looking like village when doing it. Therefore, looking at who were active proponents in saying Bort was village is not a surefire way to find villagers. But I would say it's a good way to trust an eliminator.
Lord Meeker he/him Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 Sahin woke groggily, the sun was low in the sky, not quite low enough to be setting. But it was definitely evening. He felt better standing up, stretching and dressing into more noble clothing rather than traveling clothes he wore the previous night. Perhaps he would check to see if anyone was up for a duel. (Duel anyone?) What did I miss btw?
Steeldancer he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 I'm sorry, I did have some stuff to say but I had an honors band thing and it takes a long freaking time to write up a RP game related post. So yeah, I'm not going to do a RP post, because I have not had the time to make one up. I am suspicious of how Arinian just happened to go to Elantris, as he was my second suspicion. I'll probably talk more about that later, because I do have some other stuff I need to get done. Also, I am really enjoying doing RP game related posts. I sometimes have the tendency to just post whatever, and this is limiting my posts and making me really think about how I want to say things. I'll probably do it again. I have some swirling ideas about the Gyorn and the Jeskeri... I had a thing a few games ago where I was thinking about people's connections, (except I was elim that time), but now I feel like there's something just right out of reach... Idk. I'll take a look back at the thread and look at connections... tomorrow maybe? Idk, because it is a sunday. At some point. Joe, I did want to get around to responding to your asking why I was suspicious of you despite you voting on Araris. I honestly forgot that you voted on Araris, and that I think is the point- the vote was never going to get much traction, so I could see it as a possible- albeit risky- elim move. I mean, so is claiming you're in the elim doc, which just leads to all sorts of IKYK, and would actually be quite clever and a quite Joeish thing to do. Also, those connections, It's part of the above thing, I feel like I almost feel a connection between Joe and Araris. It's just a gut hunch, but I'll see if there is anything to support it when I go back and look at the thread. I've never been a fan of "follow the cop", because then we all get lost when the cop inevitably dies So I'm going to do my own analysis and data collecting aside from what Aman is revealing. I would really love if Aman could scan Arinian (because I'm still suspicious of the guy). I'll go back to RP based game posts in my next one, but I did want to say something and honestly I'm exhausted mentally from hours of playing trombone and then hours of Calculus and Biology, so I figured Bob could wait for the day.
Herowannabe he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Author Posted April 15, 2018 TIME! Writeup is done (we had plenty of time to work on it ) and should be up shortly.
Herowannabe he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Author Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) Night 2: Tia Enelan and Amati stood together, idly watching the side door to a mansion. “When is Elysian going to come out?” Amati grumbled. “He’s been in there for ages.” “Who knows?” Enelan said. “What with how close to Elantris it is, no one’s been in there for years except him, probably. Who knows what he could’ve stocked in there?” Amati shivered, glowering at the walls that loomed nearby. “Too close to Elantris by far,” he muttered. “Can’t we just get him out already?” Enelan snorted. “Not with that house. It looks like it’s practically built for defence from outsiders. Maybe made even before Elantris rose, who knows? I hear they were trying a battering ram, but I don’t think they’ve gotten in yet.” “I hope they haven’t. They wouldn’t do that and leave us out in the cold like this. That’d be downright rude.” Nearby... Ateshao walked through the newly-opened door cautiously. It had given way almost surprisingly easily, though that might be because the locksmith was just very good. the entry hall was strewn with objects - Jeskeri robes, icons of Shu-Dereth and Shu-Korath - but none of those drew his attention. In enormous, beautiful calligraphy, in the centre of the floor was written PRAISE THE JA. Slightly less nearby... Elysian walked through the tunnels that he had only walked once before, humming. He smiled at the spot where the Jeskeri had caught him coming from the Shardpool. They’d nearly killed him, then, but he had managed to join them instead. That was over, now. They’d failed, Shu-Dereth had failed, Shu-Korath had failed. All he had left were three words. “Praise the Ja,” he murmured to himself, coming out into the light of day on a mountainside. He didn’t know what it meant. He didn’t know where the message had come from. But he didn’t think he’d be finding any answers here. He grinned. On to the next adventure. He fell into the gleaming waters of the Shardpool, and was gone. (Thank you to @Elbereth for providing the writeup today! If you liked it, please show your appreciation by finding one of her posts and giving it upvotes) Araris was lynched! He was a Jeskeri Cultist and a Convert with a Korathi Pendant! Convert Tally: 3 / 23 players are Converts! Vote Count Elysian (Araris Valerian) (14): Amati (Kidpen), Ateshao (Drake Marshall), Bill (King Cole), Enelan (Elenion), Fenot (A Joe in the Bush), Kainae (Little Wilson), Sahin Arehe (Mraize), Sheodan (Devotary of Spontaneity), Sheon Idris (Seonid), Soren Porfiry (Dalinar Kholin), Straw (Straw), Aladdin (The Young Pyromancer) Dio Brando (Amanuensis) (1): Elysian (Araris Valerian) Eoni (Walin) (1): Eoni (Walin) Reth Liari (Hemalurgic Headshot) (1): In (Droughtbringer) Spoiler Little Wilson: Kainae the Artist A Joe in the Bush: Fenot the Alchemist Eternum: Enerin the travelling storyteller Steeldancer: Bob the shoe-shiner Straw: Straw the errand-boy Araris Valerian: Elysian the orphaned worldhopper Jeskeri Cultist with Korathi Pendant Elenion: Enelan, the Palace's head chef King Cole: Bill the butcher Devotary of Spontaneity: Sheodan, a soldier in Eondel's army Mraize: Sahin Arehe, heir to the Are Plantation / ex-heir to- / it's complicated / Noble Merchant The Honey Badger: Eoni the grandiose peasant Drake Marshall: Ateshao, an itinerant tinker. Bort: Daoate, a member of the Elantris City Guard Arelish Citizen with Jeskeri Pendant and a Seon Randuir: Saoir, the Royal Archivist Arelish Citizen with Korathi Pendant and Passphrase Kidpen: Amati the farmer Seonid: Sheon Idris, a rockstar trying to get the band back together TheYoungPyromancer: Aladdin, a guy looking for a lamp Dalinar Kholin: Soren Porfiry, procrastinator extraordinaire. STINK: Imperial Mint, an honest to Domi Mint. TheMightyLopen: Nigel, a doctor of some renown Elantrians Cadmium Compounder: Rhomil, an indiscriminate merchant Droughtbringer: In, head of the Patriarch Seinalan fan club Kynedath: Angrin Nalti Gu Uda Sandrius (ANGUS), the WikiLeaks of Kae Arinian: Eilen the traveler with the mute talking sword Hemalurgic Headshot: Reth Liari, a stereotypical dashing vagabond with enigmatic origins Amanuensis: Dio Brando, a vampi- really hot guy. Edited April 15, 2018 by Herowannabe Fixed vote tally, added player list and countdown timer 9
Walin he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Well, that's one elim down. Anyone got ideas for finding more of them? Using Aons? Roleclaiming? Particularly cryptic messages? I've got no clue.
Steeldancer he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Walin said: Well, that's one elim down. Anyone got ideas for finding more of them? Using Aons? Roleclaiming? Particularly cryptic messages? I've got no clue. Hard work, analysis, and a fair bit of luck seems to work the best in my experience. 1
Lord Meeker he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Nobody was at the dueler's arena. He returned to his room; Donning a dark cloak, he snuck out the window and dropped to the ground. Does anyone want to RP?
The Young Pyromancer he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Okay. What happened with the votes?
Kidpen he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Other than me, one extra for Araris. Apparently I was with Elenion waiting for Araris too come out of the thingy. I might be waiting a long time. @Mraize Amati stared at the house in anticipation. "Well, I feel like I've waited long enough." He began to step back into the court, when he spotted a man in a black cloak running along the ground. Immediately Amati gave chase.
Lord Meeker he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kidpen said: Other than me, one extra for Araris. Did you vote for Araris? Sahin looked over his should to make sure none of his guards were following him. There was someone following him. He did not recognize the posture of the person who followed him. He shoved panic down. He rounded a corner to wait and confront the stalker. He drew his sword prepared for a fight.
Kidpen he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, Mraize said: Did you vote for Araris? I did. The man had rounded the corner. Who could this mysterious person be? Amati rounded a corner and immediately saw the man armed and waiting. Quickly drawing both of his knives, Amati fell into a defense position. "Who are you?" he said quietly.
Lord Meeker he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 "Me? No one of import. I am loyal to the Arelin monarch. I am not cultist nor covert to Shu-Dereth." Came the reply. "I do not wish to harm you nor do I want you following me."
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 King Cole's vote was shifted onto Araris, Pyromancer's vote was shifted onto Dalinar, Lopen's vote vanished, and Araris has two extra votes than are indicated by the vote tally. Cole didn't vote, so that's probably the work of a prince/princess. The vote on HH is probably a legitamate vote by Droughtbringer. I don't see how Pyromancer's vote ended up on Dalinar, nor how Lopen's vote vanished. Both of them did vote for Araris, so it couldn't have been a prince, and I don't know of any ability that removes a player's name from the voting tally.
Lord Meeker he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: King Cole's vote was shifted onto Araris, Pyromancer's vote was shifted onto Dalinar, Lopen's vote vanished, and Araris has two extra votes than are indicated by the vote tally. Cole didn't vote, so that's probably the work of a prince/princess. The vote on HH is probably a legitamate vote by Droughtbringer. I don't see how Pyromancer's vote ended up on Dalinar, nor how Lopen's vote vanished. Both of them did vote for Araris, so it couldn't have been a prince, and I don't know of any ability that removes a player's name from the voting tally. Yeah. You, kidpen, claimed that you were the monarch but then asked why there was too many votes...
Kidpen he/him Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, Mraize said: Yeah. You, kidpen, claimed that you were the monarch but then asked why there was too many votes... This night or last night? Last night I simply pointed it out. This night I was referring to the one extra. "Ah," said Amati, circling "but I don't know that, do I? When I see you sneaking off like this during the time away from deliberations, it makes me suspicious. It makes a man wonder what you could be doing." (This is for RP purposes only, I don't really have any thoughts on Mraize on way or another.)
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Mraize said: Yeah. You, kidpen, claimed that you were the monarch but then asked why there was too many votes.. Kidpen's vote caused one of the extra votes, and the other one was caused either by a second monarch or someone who had the secret passphrase. I'm far more confused by how Pyromancer's vote was moved and why Lopen's name does not appear in the vote tally. The three current converts are Elenion, the Elantrian, and the mysterious third convert. If there is currently an Odiv, it has to be that third convert. If not, the Gyorn could attempt to swear Elenion or the Elantrian as their Odiv. Elenion can always pass on his pendant to prevent becoming Odiv, but that won't stop the Jeskeri if they are interested in killing converts.
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