DrakeMarshall he/him Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 I'm not really feeling a lynch either. We could always contribution crusade though.
Aonar he/him Posted August 12, 2017 Author Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Drake Marshall said: Players are only allowed to take the test once in the game, right? If so it makes sense to wait a little bit, in the very least. Yes. Also, I feel compelled to respond to this: 17 hours ago, Drake Marshall said: As it stands right now, the test creates a feedback loop. If the forest is beating us, we are more likely to want to join them and take the test. And when we take the test, the overall effect is to give the forest an advantage, because 60% of the time they gain +1 villager on their side and -1 villager on the other side. So if a lot of us take the test, the forest starts to win, and if the forest starts to win, even more of us will have reasons to take the test. I can agree that such a strategy is maybe not the most fun way to play the game. And therefore we shouldn't do it. But isn't it kind of concerning that such a potential gamebreak is simply sitting there in the open? I can't help but suppose that there must be something about the test that we don't know about yet. Something secret. The test is an important game mechanic, and I'm sure the GMs have thought about this more than I have, so far. EDIT: Lets do some proper permutations for all this, hmm? Court Case 1. Gunnerkrigg villager takes test. Outcome 1 (60%)- Alignment change. Gunnerkrigg loses one villager, Gilltie gains one villager. Gilltie faction is favored. Outcome 2 (40%)- No alignment change. Gunnerkrigg loses on villager, and gains one eliminator. Gunnerkrigg faction is favored (to a similar extent as the above outcome favors Gilltie). Case 2. Gilltie eliminator takes test. Outcome 1 (60%)- Alignment change. Gilltie loses on eliminator, Gunnerkrigg gains one eliminator. Gunnerkrigg faction is heavily favored. Outcome 2 (40%)- No alignment change. Gilltie loses an eliminator, and gains a villager. Gunnerkrigg faction is somewhat favored. Forest Same as court, basically, except reversed. So... The test will alter your alignment... But in almost all cases, the test will favor whatever faction you are now part of, after testing. That's rather dangerous. So I am still lead to suspect that there is something secret in play here. Or maybe I've just read the numbers wrong, and the test isn't vulnerable to gamebreaking. That is also possible. Either way... Be careful, hm? I feel the need to make a clarification here, even though I probably shouldn't. The Test is not vulnerable to game-breaking. It's vulnerable to game-throwing. If you want to intentionally lose the game, potentially for yourself and definitely for your faction feel free to exploit the Test. If you want to use it as a strategic tool, go ahead; as you noted above Testing tends to favour the faction being Tested out of. It doesn't always, but will usually result in a slight net-positive. If multiple people Test, however, it begins to strongly favour the other faction, on balance, so, as you said, be careful, and use the advantage you can gain from the Test wisely. Also, realized I forgot to respond to one of Lopen's questions. Yes Zeta's alignment change is not restricted to Court/Gillitie. Edited August 12, 2017 by Aonar Faileas 2
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted August 12, 2017 Posted August 12, 2017 But is it gamethrowing if you've switched alignments? This sounds dangerous... Because it would be extremely lame, we should not mass-test. But technically such an approach would result in a majority win, if I'm reading this correctly.
Aonar he/him Posted August 12, 2017 Author Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Drake Marshall said: But is it gamethrowing if you've switched alignments? This sounds dangerous... Because it would be extremely lame, we should not mass-test. But technically such an approach would result in a majority win, if I'm reading this correctly. Yes. Someone who Tests specifically to win in the other Faction is a traitor, preferring the possibility of their, and a handful of other players personal wins with the opposing side to their own team's win. (Both literally, and flavour-wise. ) Could. Not would. Although it's not the point of this, there are things you don't know about that reduce the validity of this, beyond the fact that it's gamethrowing and that due to relying on invoking the will of the dice gods (that being what it is ), it's more likely to result in a mass loss, not a mass win.
DeTess she/her Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Yeah, as a tabletop rpg'er/wargamer, I can tell you that the dice gods are real and very bloodthirsty. I'd say the mere existence of the zeta role is temptation enough for them, no reason to add to that by trying to win by mass test.
Ecthelion III he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 As a response to Randuir, for the grand total of one game I've played with Winter before, their actions have seemed normal to me. I think we should Crusade, because it's dangerous to have a no-vote situation. Reasoning: in a game where alignments can change all the time, a last-minute single vote would be not only disastrous but also generally NAI for future rounds. Therefore, Shqueeves.
DeTess she/her Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said: I think we should Crusade, because it's dangerous to have a no-vote situation. Reasoning: in a game where alignments can change all the time, a last-minute single vote would be not only disastrous but also generally NAI for future rounds. Therefore, Shqueeves. What do you mean by 'allignments can change all the time?' Taking the test removes someone from this thread, while I don't really expect the zeta effect to occur more than once (and who knows what that does exactly). I don't know about any other alignment changing effects (technically, the Medium is one, but it's predictable). The reason no-lynch cycles are dangerous is because it tends to halt discusdion. Lynching a possible inactive isn't going to do much for discussion either in my opinion, though I guess it might be better than nothing?
Ecthelion III he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 I am referring to the Test. Just because they leave the Court doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about them ever again; there's a fair likelihood that one or both of us may leave the Court as well.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said: I am referring to the Test. Just because they leave the Court doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about them ever again; there's a fair likelihood that one or both of us may leave the Court as well. Wouldn't the only player who would do a last minute vote be an eliminator? So if they did that and then took the test, they'd have a 60% chance to be an eliminator in the new thread, and would probably be lynched immediately. I'm not sure if that should be a really worry. I don't mind the vote on @Shqueeves though. He's been online since the game started(he signed up for the new MR I think), but he hasn't posted yet. So his quietness it a little strange. I don't know if this has been mentioned, but does there need to be at least 2 votes for a lynch?
Aonar he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 Just now, TheMightyLopen said: I don't know if this has been mentioned, but does there need to be at least 2 votes for a lynch? Yes.
xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Hm...I suppose I should post again before the cycle ends. I don't really see the merit in lynching someone this cycle, because we really don't have anything to go on right now. It doesn't seem like there will be a huge detriment if we don't have a lynch today, so I would hold off. Plus, it feels a bit wrong to me to lynch someone for not posting on day one. Things could have come up, and a contribution crusade this early feels a bit excessive, in my opinion. @Aonar Faileas, How does voting work in this game? As in, if there is only one vote, will the person voted on still be lynched? Also, how do ties work? I think we should hold off on voting until we have more time for discussion, therefore more time to reveal any suspicious activities. Holding off on a contribution crusade also appeals to me. Missing the first day cycle obviously isn't a good sign, but again, things can come up where people can't get on. If there have been no posts by Day 2, then that is another thing since that gives more ample time to get on and make at least one post. Overall, I think we should just hold off on voting this cycle, so @Ecthelion III, if you could be so kind as to remove your vote from Shquueves it would be much appreciated. That being said, @A Budgie, @Clanky. You two have only posted once, and didn't mention being otherwise preoccupied iirc. Where are you two? Come join us in the court! @Metacognition, @Shqueeves, @asterion137; Where are you three? I know Drought said they wouldn't be active until cycle two, but I don't remember any such thing said by you three? We miss you, and would love it if you could join us. Or at least check in and let us know that you are alright. I am worried about your health, and just want to check and make sure you are all okay. <3 Now that all that is done, I won't be here for the end of this cycle or the beginning of the next cycle. I am leaving for a Ride Along in two hours, and will be barred from my phone until I am done with it. I will check in once I get back on my computer afterwards, though.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said: As a response to Randuir, for the grand total of one game I've played with Winter before, their actions have seemed normal to me. I think we should Crusade, because it's dangerous to have a no-vote situation. Reasoning: in a game where alignments can change all the time, a last-minute single vote would be not only disastrous but also generally NAI for future rounds. Therefore, Shqueeves. @Ecthelion III, what exactly do you hope to gain from a "contribution crusade" lynch on Shqueeves? I'm an immense supporter of including people in our game, and encouraging activity, but think that PMing him when PMs go up, in three hours time, is far better than lynching a new member of our community. Shqueeves has played two games here so far - what sort of message do you want to send him about our community? The contribution crusade is now (thankfully) about being inclusive, and helping players, and lynching a new player with this reasoning is the opposite of being inclusive, and is something I will play no part in. 3
Aonar he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 Ties will be decided by a dice roll. (Yes this means that MEB has final say on all ties. :P)
xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Aonar Faileas said: Ties will be decided by a dice roll. (Yes this means that MEB has final say on all ties. :P) Oooh, exciting. That sounds fun, haha. Good to know.
Clanky he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, Crimsn-Wolf said: That being said, @A Budgie, @Clanky. You two have only posted once, and didn't mention being otherwise preoccupied iirc. Where are you two? Come join us in the court! Welif you read my previous post I did talk about spotty Internet this weekend and lots of time spent at work. In order to read the thread and post anything I have to hold my phone above my head. I don't really feel comfortable putting in s vote or anything on this situation do I'll likely wait before any major activity
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aonar Faileas said: Yes. Someone who Tests specifically to win in the other Faction is a traitor, preferring the possibility of their, and a handful of other players personal wins with the opposing side to their own team's win. (Both literally, and flavour-wise. ) Could. Not would. Although it's not the point of this, there are things you don't know about that reduce the validity of this, beyond the fact that it's gamethrowing and that due to relying on invoking the will of the dice gods (that being what it is ), it's more likely to result in a mass loss, not a mass win. "Mass win" and "mass loss" are phrases that describe the same event, the only difference being whose side you end up being on. But thank you for confirming that there are some secret factors here. I will attempt to discover what can be discovered about this setup. Because there's sure to be lots of fun secrets hiding about. Don't worry, I'm not actually considering mass-testing. I mean, seriously, do you really think I could mobilize everybody else, even if I wanted to? EDIT: This is my 1337th post Edited August 13, 2017 by Drake Marshall
Shqueeves Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Sorry I haven't been posting, I've been unexpectedly busy and have mainly just been reading so far. I would be willing to vote Small Large (Stink) as Medium, because although they are fond of chaos, they seem relatively dependable (also, Small Large Medium).
A Budgie she/her Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 As said above, I haven't really been posting, mostly 'cause I have no clue what to say. Sorry 'bout that, but this is my first game.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, Shqueeves said: Sorry I haven't been posting, I've been unexpectedly busy and have mainly just been reading so far. I would be willing to vote Small Large (Stink) as Medium, because although they are fond of chaos, they seem relatively dependable (also, Small Large Medium). 13 minutes ago, A Budgie said: As said above, I haven't really been posting, mostly 'cause I have no clue what to say. Sorry 'bout that, but this is my first game. Thanks for checking in at least! I imagine next Cycle will be a little better, since we'll(hopefully) get the lynch discussion going much earlier.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 I never got to catch up here....anyone wanna tell me if I'm needed to do anything?
Aonar he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 Day's over folks. Give us an hour or two and it should be night time. Have to move some stage props around. 1
Aonar he/him Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) “At first, there was confusion...” “Well, what do we do now?” Walking out of the greeting hall, the new students talked amongst themselves. “Apparently some of us are trying to kill everyone! We just got here, for goodness sake!” “We could leave.” A few heads nodded. “No one would have any reason to kill us, then.” “Leave and what, be animals in the Forest? I don’t want to end up some dumb squirrel.” “What do you suggest, then?” “Maybe, I don’t know, kill the people trying to kill us first?” “...Like I said, we just got here. How are we supposed to know who wants to kill us?” “The Shqueeves guy has been pretty quiet.” “Yeah, where’d he go?” Eventually, after a few minutes of searching, a small voice piped up from the back. “I’m here. I even talked some, but no one heard me...” Shqueeves found hiding in plain sight, they found themselves, again, at a loss. “Is there anything else we can do?” “Yeah!” Small Large spoke up unexpectedly. “Y’all can vote me the official emissary to the Forest!” “Umm… why?” “Because then I could be Medium Small Large! Can’t you see how perfect that’d be? It’s like it was meant to be!” “...Sure, whatever, I guess.” After a moment of puzzlement, everyone roughly seemed to agree. “Great! I’m going to go find that Dragonslayer guy.” “...What exactly do you intend, Master Large?” Sir Young appeared more than somewhat bemused, as Small Large ran up to him in the streets of the Court. “I wish to bridge the gap between the Court and the Forest! So I can be Medium Small Large!” “And why should we allow this?” “Because everyone agrees with me! They all voted for me to be Medium!” “Then I suppose I have no choice. I officially confer upon you the role of Medium, our honoured representative to the Forest. I hope you understand the importance and solemnity of your new calling. Have fun, and try not to get yourself killed, Medium Small Large.” Small Large stood still for several moments, beaming with joy. “...You can return to your lodgings now, Medium Large.” “Aren’t I supposed to appoint of protector for myself?” “Fine, if you want to deal with this now. Do you have someone in mind?” “Umm...” Small Large pondered that, thinking very deeply. “...Noooooo.” Young bowed his head, clearly working to contain his frustration. “Go to bed, Master Large. Bother me in the morning about it, if you must.” “Yes Sir!” Large turned sharply, and made his way back. Stink has been appointed Medium! His Guardian will be announced as soon as he decides. No one was Lynched! You have 22 hours to PM and submit night actions! Tallies: Medium: BR (1): Ecth Stink (8): Stink, Crimsn, Orlok, Burnt, El, Winter, Randuir, Shqueeves Drake (1): Drake Lynch: Shqueeves (1): Ecth Edited August 13, 2017 by Aonar Faileas 7
Droughtbringer Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Well...I am here now. And I believe this is the right thread for me to be posting in, but I'm dead tired. Will post more in a couple of hours.
A Budgie she/her Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Dumb question: what Night actions can we do, not including special ones?
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) You can send PM's to anyone else in the court thread, Or to Doc12 from the Woods thread. You can RP in this thread, and discuss what you learned. You can try to to convince the Demi Fire elemental to kill a player of your choosing. If none of that appeals to you, you can talk to me and Aonar in your role PM and I will do my best to keep you entertained. =P Edited August 13, 2017 by A Joe in the Bush 2
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