TheMightyLopen he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 So, Booken was detained, and no one was killed off by those rotten Venture spies. Coincidence? Or did one of you Captains get lucky and nab the killer before he had a chance to do his dirty work? Of course, there's also the option that the Captain is one of the Venture agents, and they're trying to frame Booken. Or maybe Booken was the Venture agents target, and the Captain saved his life, eh? Or the Venture agents didn't attack anyone to confuse us!?! Hmmm. Personally, I'm not sure which of those scenario's this was. That's assuming I'm not missing any options... @Seonid, does Detainment protect a player from attacks? Sorren, do you have any opinion on what might have happened to the Venture kill? @Dalinar Kholin
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Here I was thinking the night turn went until tomorrow. At least no one died!
Stick. she/her Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I don't see why the elims chose not to kill last night. I mean, sure, some of them might have had important night actions to take (like the detention) but all of them? I doubt it. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule about the elim kill and night actions. This, though, might be an explanation for a no kill: 27 minutes ago, The Flash said: Here I was thinking the night turn went until tomorrow. At least no one died! I would vote, but I'm still catching up on last night's posts. If I find someone suspicious from there, my vote's going on them, because I'm not entirely sure that forgetting the rollover time is a reason enough to vote on flash. But I'll be keeping an eye on him I guess
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, _Stick_ said: I don't see why the elims chose not to kill last night. I mean, sure, some of them might have had important night actions to take (like the detention) but all of them? I doubt it. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rule about the elim kill and night actions. This, though, might be an explanation for a no kill: I would vote, but I'm still catching up on last night's posts. If I find someone suspicious from there, my vote's going on them, because I'm not entirely sure that forgetting the rollover time is a reason enough to vote on flash. But I'll be keeping an eye on him I guess And me? I'll keep imagining a toothpick with a spike in it. I wonder how that would even work don't worry stick I'm not an elim. Ok last night I came up with various role questions.1. Is there any reason, strategically, that it wouldnt be smart for the metallurgists to just reveal themselves? Both we and the elims need them, so is there any reason we would want them dead (besides their ability to kill 1 person in the game)? 2. What happens if a misting, say a Lurcher, gets an iron spike? And puts it in? Would anything different happen with the ability? Edited May 31, 2017 by The Flash
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Absolen had heard the news about Booken's detainment, and about the move to Conrad Manor. He was mostly glad that Booken had been detained, as he had been annoying, but it left him worried. Did the Venture agents decide not to kill anyone? Or did the captain get lucky and find one of them, or maybe find the possible victim of the agents? Hmm...it's still really early in the game, I'm not sure if it's worth it to try and start picking people out as killers yet. As far as we know, they haven't done anything yet. Unless they were blocked by the captain detaining Booken. Edited May 31, 2017 by StrikerEZ
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Absolen had heard the news about Booken's detainment, and about the move to Conrad Manor. He was mostly glad that Booken had been detained, as he had been annoying, but it left him worried. Did the Venture agents decide not to kill anyone? Or did the captain get lucky and find one of them, or maybe find the possible victim of the agents? Hmm...it's still really early in the game, I'm not sure if it's worth it to try and start picking people out as killers yet. As far as we know, they haven't done anything yet. Unless they were blocked by the captain detaining Booken. Well there are plenty of killers in this game. Elims, coinshot, and mistborn.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, The Flash said: Well there are plenty of killers in this game. Elims, coinshot, and mistborn. True, but why would the allomancers kill yet? I can understand the elims killing at the very start, but not really any allomancers. Of course, maybe that's the point....
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: True, but why would the allomancers kill yet? I can understand the elims killing at the very start, but not really any allomancers. Of course, maybe that's the point.... Yeah i got that. It's just too early for the good killers to kill randomly. But why didnt the evil ventures attack anyone? Did they feel exposed? Inactive? Did they forget? Is it PK? Idk what to think.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 @Seonid, if an individual detained was attacked, would a failed attack be noted in the writeup? My view is that the simplest answer is that @Paranoid King is an eliminator, and was the eliminator responsible for submitting the kill. Paranoid King's actions last cycle do seem to me as creating a role whereby he can seem active without having to engage in finding the eliminators. I will also note suspicion of @The Flash. "Evil Ventures" seems overdone, an attempt to seem village. The implausibility of the suggestions you offer - inactivity, being exposed, seem to me to be a cover for PK having been the attacker, making it but one option of many.
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said: @Seonid, if an individual detained was attacked, would a failed attack be noted in the writeup? My view is that the simplest answer is that @Paranoid King is an eliminator, and was the eliminator responsible for submitting the kill. Paranoid King's actions last cycle do seem to me as creating a role whereby he can seem active without having to engage in finding the eliminators. I will also note suspicion of @The Flash. "Evil Ventures" seems overdone, an attempt to seem village. The implausibility of the suggestions you offer - inactivity, being exposed, seem to me to be a cover for PK having been the attacker, making it but one option of many. Or maybe I genuinely have no idea why the elims didn't attack? And yes, I'm suspicious of PK. but I'm also trying to figure out why the elims wouldn't want to kill one of us, because clearly they didn't. Now in the hypothetical world where I'm evil, I would start pointing fingers at you. But I won't, as a gesture of trust. Because at the moment that's all I can think of to make you trust me. If you have anything you want to ask me, I'll answer it. On the possibility of PK being evil and that being why the kill didn't go through, it would have had to have been PK that put in the kill, right? So if a different elim had put it in, it wouldn't have been blocked. Right?
Orlok Tsubodai Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, The Flash said: Or maybe I genuinely have no idea why the elims didn't attack? And yes, I'm suspicious of PK. but I'm also trying to figure out why the elims wouldn't want to kill one of us, because clearly they didn't. Now in the hypothetical world where I'm evil, I would start pointing fingers at you. But I won't, as a gesture of trust. Because at the moment that's all I can think of to make you trust me. If you have anything you want to ask me, I'll answer it. On the possibility of PK being evil and that being why the kill didn't go through, it would have had to have been PK that put in the kill, right? So if a different elim had put it in, it wouldn't have been blocked. Right? They didn't succesfully kill one of us. That is a very different position from not having tried. It is possible that the eliminators were gambling on a detainment, and that they hoped for this situation. @Seonid, if conflicting kill orders are submitted, do either of them go through? The simplest answer, though, is that the lack of a kill had something to do with Paranoid King's detainment. Not attacking me for my arguments doesn't make me any more inclined to trust you. It's not alignment indicative. If I'm right, and PK and yourself are evil, going after me would be far too obvious. Yes, I believe that you are correct in thinking that the kill would have gone through if a different eliminator submitted it.
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said: They didn't succesfully kill one of us. That is a very different position from not having tried. It is possible that the eliminators were gambling on a detainment, and that they hoped for this situation. @Seonid, if conflicting kill orders are submitted, do either of them go through? The simplest answer, though, is that the lack of a kill had something to do with Paranoid King's detainment. Not attacking me for my arguments doesn't make me any more inclined to trust you. It's not alignment indicative. If I'm right, and PK and yourself are evil, going after me would be far too obvious. Yes, I believe that you are correct in thinking that the kill would have gone through if a different eliminator submitted it. Ok. *shrug* I'll do my best to prove you wrong. If it helps, I tend to be a little dramatic, but I suspect that won't help your suspicions. Edit: so I agree with Orlok that PK is the most immediate threat, as far as I see. Sorry PK, you did make me laugh yesterday, but perhaps that was you trying to seem likeable. Edited May 31, 2017 by The Flash Making decisions. And trying to vote.
Seonid he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 8 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said: @Seonid, does Detainment protect a player from attacks? No. It merely roleblocks them. 1 hour ago, OrlokTsubodai said: @Seonid, if an individual detained was attacked, would a failed attack be noted in the writeup? No, it would not. The roleblocked action is treated as if it didn't happen. 51 minutes ago, OrlokTsubodai said: @Seonid, if conflicting kill orders are submitted, do either of them go through? The most recent of the kill orders would go through.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Right. Apologies for not noting Lopen's question, @Seonid. It seems apparent to me, given detainment does not bring protection, that Paranoid King was indeed the individual who submitted the kill.
Sparkrunner he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) WAAAIIIITTT Quote The game will begin on Night 0 (with apologies to the first kill) @Seonid apologies to the first person killed? Or apologies to the people who want to kill on night 0? Was there even a kill? Oh yeah, FOS on Orlok for being a perfect villager, and my vote on Flash for a poor defense. Edited May 31, 2017 by Cluny the Scourge
cloudjumper he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: I am going to cast my votes on Orlok and Flash. Orlok for being too helpful and kind-of-mayoring-ish, and Flash for his really poor defence. Wait, you can vote twice? Did I read the rules wrong? Also, Orlok's arguments did make sense, so I'm voting for PK.
Seonid he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: WAAAIIIITTT @Seonid apologies to the first person killed? Or apologies to the people who want to kill on night 0? Was there even a kill? Well, most of the time, starting at night means somebody dies before the game really even gets started. I've been that person before, so I was apologizing to the person who was probably going to die night 0. That nobody did means I look a little foolish now.
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cluny the Scourge said: WAAAIIIITTT @Seonid apologies to the first person killed? Or apologies to the people who want to kill on night 0? Was there even a kill? Oh yeah, FOS on Orlok for being a perfect villager, and my vote on Flash for a poor defense. 1 minute ago, cloudjumper said: Wait, you can vote twice? Did I read the rules wrong? Also, Orlok's arguments did make sense, so I'm voting for PK. Anybody think this is weird??? I mean that cloudjumper quoted a post that Cluny changed. Majorly. That's weird. And that makes me the most suspicious I've ever been while playing SE. Which is about 4 days. And it's the arguments that disturb me, not the double voting. He entirely changed tack. Edited May 31, 2017 by The Flash
Paranoid King he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Believe me, if I was a member of the elim team, I wouldn't be drawing attention and then putting in a kill. Even if I wasn't blocked, I'd have been detected with Bronze. I could imagine me drawing attention while another elim put in the kill, but that's not what happened. My opinion doesn't count for anything because I'm the one accused, but I'm telling you, drawing attention and then trying to kill someone is a terrible idea. My guess is that the eliminators were merciful enough to not kill anyone the first night phase. That's not a very strong argument, so I'm probably going to be lynched. That's okay. My Bronze was all stolen anyways. I have a weak argument, so attempting to fight against this will just make me look more guilty. So just remember to do some discussion outside of bandwagoning. When I'm revealed, I think Lopen and the Flash might be guilty. I get the feeling that they didn't plan on me being detained. They didn't consider that I would be seen as guilty, so they didn't vote on me right away. Lopen can't have just been looking at the thread quickly and voting on someone random, and the way flash sorta-argued against my guilt and then gave in makes me think he's guilty. In this case, Orlok is innocent, because he was the first to vote for me, despite the obvious evidence condemning me. Honestly, I'm in 2 other games already, so I don't mind dying in this one. I think I'll give enough information in my death to be worth it. PK.
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Paranoid King said: Believe me, if I was a member of the elim team, I wouldn't be drawing attention and then putting in a kill. Even if I wasn't blocked, I'd have been detected with Bronze. I could imagine me drawing attention while another elim put in the kill, but that's not what happened. My opinion doesn't count for anything because I'm the one accused, but I'm telling you, drawing attention and then trying to kill someone is a terrible idea. My guess is that the eliminators were merciful enough to not kill anyone the first night phase. That's not a very strong argument, so I'm probably going to be lynched. That's okay. My Bronze was all stolen anyways. I have a weak argument, so attempting to fight against this will just make me look more guilty. So just remember to do some discussion outside of bandwagoning. When I'm revealed, I think Lopen and the Flash might be guilty. I get the feeling that they didn't plan on me being detained. They didn't consider that I would be seen as guilty, so they didn't vote on me right away. Lopen can't have just been looking at the thread quickly and voting on someone random, and the way flash sorta-argued against my guilt and then gave in makes me think he's guilty. In this case, Orlok is innocent, because he was the first to vote for me, despite the obvious evidence condemning me. Honestly, I'm in 2 other games already, so I don't mind dying in this one. I think I'll give enough information in my death to be worth it. PK. Um. Of course I didn't plan on you being detained. How was I supposed to know someone would detain you?
Paranoid King he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, The Flash said: Um. Of course I didn't plan on you being detained. How was I supposed to know someone would detain you? What I'm saying is a villager mindset is "I don't know anything right now. I'll vote on whoever seems guilty" One of the things an elim has to think about is "Don't lead the lynch" When the day came, and I was obviously guilty, Elim!you hadn't planned for it, and defaulted to that basic mindset. A villager would say "PK is guilty. Let's vote on him" An elim would say something like "This seems too easy. Someone else can take the lead." You wondered about what happened for a while, let someone else vote first, asked a few questions, then voted on me. To me, that seems like an elim attitude.
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Paranoid King said: What I'm saying is a villager mindset is "I don't know anything right now. I'll vote on whoever seems guilty" One of the things an elim has to think about is "Don't lead the lynch" When the day came, and I was obviously guilty, Elim!you hadn't planned for it, and defaulted to that basic mindset. A villager would say "PK is guilty. Let's vote on him" An elim would say something like "This seems too easy. Someone else can take the lead." You wondered about what happened for a while, let someone else vote first, asked a few questions, then voted on me. To me, that seems like an elim attitude. I'm confused by your explanation. I'm not even clever enough to have come up with that plan. Yes I'm going to excuse this with inexperienced, because that's what I am. as I see it, if I were an elim, and you weren't, I would have used the kill. And I wouldnt CARE if you were detained or not! But I'm village, and the kill DIDN'T go through. Yes I voted after somebody pointed out the fact that it didn't go through, because frankly I would not have put two and two together. Because I'm inexperienced. And also it is physically impossible for every villager to lead the lynch. And I will defer to more experienced players, because I know they will notice things i will not! In otherwords, my thought process was "I don't know what's going on. I'll brainstorm some ideas, but I'll follow the lead of a more experienced villager when they make accusations, if they make sense." Edit. I forgot that perhaps we are both the same side. But if we are both elim, you wouldn't be attacking me so strongly without leaving some way for me to be cleared. Elims don't seek to tear down other elims. And if we are both village... Well I guess maybe the elims didn't get around to it or something. In that case, I'm sorry. But I am of the firm belief that you are Elim. You confirmed it more by attacking me like that. Edited May 31, 2017 by The Flash Forgot a possible argument
Ecthelion III he/him Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Just to keep discussion going... If PK turns out to be village, then the elims probably have a Captain and abstained their kill to get us to waste the D1 lynch. Not the most effective strategy, but that's really the most plausible explanation I could see given that outcome.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Okay my exhausted brain didn't really think through a lot when I read the writeup at like 3am last night and randomly commented about my RP.....but no kill? That's just ..well..weird. Have the venture agents changed their evil ways lolol But for real from what I can tell, either PK was the elim blocked or the elims are all inactive?? Or they want us to think that!? Bleh I dunno...this is a new level of trickery that I wasn't expecting. Also I'm only in 2 games now so...yay? haha...so I guess I get to focus on this one more!
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