Cartographer7 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Dalinar win the combat (I think? Not sure how either would manage to kill the other). He's also one of the most compelling characters I've read in a long time: It's refreshing to see the "can I be the hero everyone needs me to be?" character arc for someone who isn't under 25. I love exploring the perspectives of someone who, instead of trying to make their mark on the world, has already made it, and finds it at times both a help and hindrance as he moves in a new direction. We've had a thousand stories of people who come up from nothing, but what about someone who stood atop the world, and discovered his footing was not as sure as he thought? It's nice to have an authority figure who has their own story, rather than just being a staple feature in the story of some maverick or young person. (I mean, he is that, but he's also way more.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren he/him Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hey, @Patar. You know what time it is? It's game time. (So please, please start the next round soon. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patar he/him Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Done! I feel like I'm having to apologize for the delays a bit to much Anyways, Dalinar is the winner! In the next round, two Radiants, Shallan and Renarin Kholin, will go head to head! But which Radiant will emerge victorious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbonator Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Shallan. Renarin maybe might be able to see through her illusions (because he can "see," as he said), but Shallan is at the Shardblade stage of her Nahel bond (uh, spoiler alert). Plus she's slightly crazy. Edited October 6, 2016 by Turbonator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Renarin has combat training and is less annoying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 To me both of the characters had some flaws that hindered my liking of them a little bit: I thought Shallan was a little on the whiny and annoying side, and as for Renarin (WoR spoilers) Spoiler I thought that he got his Radiant's powers without really earning them. That expressed, I'll have to go with Shallan because I actually liked the scenes where she expresses her love to [REDACTED], and that's a pretty rare occurrence for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormyQueen she/her Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Shallan. She's not always the most likeable character, but I liked how she had troubled past, but worked past it, suppressing memories and such. With Renarin, for the same reason as Elenion. Also, Shallan did grow on me, especially (WoR spoilers) Spoiler When she was stuck in the chasms with Kaladin, as well as how she coped with Jasnah's "death" and the expression of power in her powerless state So, yeah, Shallan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Current tally: Shallan 3, Renarin 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccentric Hero he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Renarin I just can't like Shallan much after she [major spoilers] Spoiler murdered some people in cold blood. Especially her dad. Renarin didn't have that tough of a life but he isn't annoying. He's also nice and wants to help. Edited October 6, 2016 by Eccentric Hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Shallan. Funny, has a very sad backstory. I dont like Renarin much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 48 minutes ago, Eccentric Hero said: I just can't like Shallan much after she [major spoilers] Reveal hidden contents murdered some people in cold blood. Especially her dad. I think she was justified in her reasons for doing the thing by the circumstances that surrounded the event. Setting that aside, how about the other characters like Spoiler Jasnah who have done similar things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccentric Hero he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Elenion said: I think she was justified in her reasons for doing the thing by the circumstances that surrounded the event. Setting that aside, how about the other characters like Reveal hidden contents Jasnah who have done similar things? She was justified but she did it so coldly. Even Helaran couldn't get himself to do it. I think that Jasnah is also too cold, which is why I voted for Lopen. I actually have more reasons why I am voting for Renarin. You can find a lot of reasons in 2 threads about him. Current Tally: Shallan-4 Renarin-2 Edited October 6, 2016 by Eccentric Hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartographer7 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Shallan. She's a quick thinker, inventive, and even downright devious at times. Renarin has his strengths, but he seems rather unused to conflict of any kind. He's smart too, but he's the "I'm going to sit and think this through" kind of smart, not the "I'm going to out-think you in a moment's notice" kind of smart. I don't think his meager combat training will make up the difference. Shallan's going to run circles around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick. she/her Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Renarin. Why? I don't know. Shallan can certainly best him in a fight, IMO. But...Shallan is annoying. I don't hate her, but I never particularly liked her either. Her quips are annoying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren he/him Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Shallan. My favorite Sanderson character, her flashbacks in WoR are as intriguing as the best of Lost. Her regular viewpoints are great too-her conflicts with the Ghostbloods, Adolin, and Kaladin show her witty side. She is a truly great character. Plus, she would totally win in a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Tally: Shallan 6, Renarin 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, Eccentric Hero said: Renarin I just can't like Shallan much after she [major spoilers] Reveal hidden contents murdered some people in cold blood. Especially her dad. No, no, Eccentric Hero, that's what makes her character great. You've got it backwards. (I really like that kind of character ) Edited October 7, 2016 by WayneSpren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccentric Hero he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, WayneSpren said: No, no, Eccentric Hero, that's what makes her character great. You've got it backwards. (I really like that kind of character ) I really don't like it. If you notice, Kaladin isn't cold-blooded. Neither is Vasher or Wax. Not even Kelsier, for that matter, if you think about it. And definitely not Szeth. Tally is still: Shallan-6 Renarin-3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormyQueen she/her Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, Eccentric Hero said: I really don't like it. If you notice, Kaladin isn't cold-blooded. Neither is Vasher or Wax. Not even Kelsier, for that matter, if you think about it. And definitely not Szeth. Hm, it's interesting that you should say that about Kelsier, because I would say that he is far more cold-blooded than Shallan. He is shown at multiple points to be unremorseful towards the people he kills, and is often unable to restrain his anger towards the nobles, and acts, not thinking about the consequences, showing some psychopathic tendencies. He views the nobles as a collective evil, and is frequently uncaring towards nobles and those affiliated with them. Granted, he does have a reason to hate them, but it still doesn't change the fact of his cold hearted murder. And yet, he is often incredibly kind towards those that he sees as victims Compared to that, I would consider Shallan far more justified in killing who she did, based on what she thought he did at the time, as well as her age and emotional stability, or at least, that's what I personally think. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Secret Corner he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Hmmm... seems like there is a need for votes here so One vote for Renarin, he hasn't had a lot of development, but he has a lot of potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eccentric Hero he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 12 hours ago, CalypsoDreaming said: Hm, it's interesting that you should say that about Kelsier, because I would say that he is far more cold-blooded than Shallan. He is shown at multiple points to be unremorseful towards the people he kills, and is often unable to restrain his anger towards the nobles, and acts, not thinking about the consequences, showing some psychopathic tendencies. He views the nobles as a collective evil, and is frequently uncaring towards nobles and those affiliated with them. Granted, he does have a reason to hate them, but it still doesn't change the fact of his cold hearted murder. And yet, he is often incredibly kind towards those that he sees as victims Compared to that, I would consider Shallan far more justified in killing who she did, based on what she thought he did at the time, as well as her age and emotional stability, or at least, that's what I personally think. Shallan may be more justified but her murdering is so cold. Kelsier is quite a cold killer but he does a lot of them with anger not that cold calm reasonable way that Shallan did it. Cold calm murdering is scary. It seems more like something a villain would do. WoK and WoR spoilers Spoiler Kaladin spends forever trying to decide whether to poison Tvlak or whatever his name is. Theway Shallan does it is crazy. She makes up her mind and just poisons him. Then she finishes up with a strangling. WIth her own necklace She just watches him as he dies.. Now that is just storming crazy. Shallan-6 Renarin-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patar he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 And Shallan is triumphant! Next up is an interesting match, Waxillium Ladrian against TenSoon, the kandra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Secret Corner he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Tensoon: He had a very interesting character development... just the way his cultural perception changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbonator Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Wax. He's a great character (as he should be, since he's a main character), and he can just fly above TenSoon, increase his weight, and crush him, which would cause TenSoon some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 wax would win a fight and I like him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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