Mid-Range Game 14: The Canim Fury

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

So, 2 players are up for the lynch. If you both were villagers, the eliminators wouldn't have to use any vote manipulation to let a villager die. But, if they'd wanted to, they could have moved a vote to try and frame one of you.

If you are an eliminator, then you bet your life on the coin flip to try and help get the idea that you're a villager with no outside help or you're the only eliminator with vote manipulation power, so you couldn't use your power to change a vote(because I roleblocked you). Not sure which scenario I think is more likely, but I am still wondering about you..

Hm. You sure? I wasn't told I was Roleblocked.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I protected winter law cycle by the way.

 

That was the protect that got blocked?

 

So far, I'd be okay with lynching Joe, Araris or Winter. Joe, because I was already suspicious last Cycle and his saying he's "disappointed" that he wasn't lynched just seems like a ploy to me because he's been one of the most suspected players so far. So why would he think that the eliminators would choose to get him lynched? I don't see the logic there. Plus, I think his vote on Elodin was pretty late in the Cycle, so it wasn't a great set up in the first place and I view that "plan" as more of an excuse to save himself.

 

I would lynch Araris because I think the Traitors might have a second kill and I'm surprised that he'd kill anyone, because he didn't mention that many players last Cycle and he certainly didn't mention those who were attacked by metalcrafters.

 

Winter, because I have a small gut feeling that she could be evil just based off of her posts and because of the news that SD's protection of her was blocked, which probably means she was being protected by W1 and I think that would be a very useful power for an evil(they could be certain any attacks they used weren't blocked/redirected among other things). Don't worry though Winter, I'm not all that suspicious of you. I'm just thinking you definitely could be an evil. 

 

@Joe, well, I did try to roleblock you yes. You didn't get roleblocked? 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I wasn't told I was, and another action I took went through, so, no. I definitely wasn't rb'd.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well that's interesting.

 

I directed all actions against Seonid to myself so either I was attacked or he was.

 

May I ask why you chose Seonid specifically?

 

Ahh, hmm, I just realized something about Earth. If you use E2 to protect another player then E1 them too to take all actions they receive then wouldn't that effectively protect you at the cost of two actions?

 

Tangent aside, I'm was honestly a bit suspicious of you last cycle, but now I'm not entirely sure what to think. Phatt didn't protect you and I don't think Araris did or else Hellscythe's A3-buddy would have probably mentioned that too. HS can you confirm that Araris didn't use any other actions? If it wasn't any of you three that means someone with Earth as a secondary would have, which is interesting, and personally I don't see why a villager would come to the conclusion to protect you from the get go.

 

I'll try to look at this objectively. The only reason I could see a Traitor Metalcrafter attacking Seonid (if he's loyal) is because of his ability to create PMs, which given him being busy with the LG I don't see why they'd consider him much of a threat. I can see no reason why a Loyal Metalcrafter would go for him, so if he was the original intended target I would reason it was most definitely a Traitor who did it. The only reason I could see a Traitor Metalcrafter attacking you (if you're loyal) is because they don't want to risk a player that could have the ability to scout surviving until the 8th cycle. I feel like if either of you are evil it could have been an attempt at a WGG. However a WGG doesn't real make sense for Seonid, given his aforementioned priorities. You however I can see since you're being more involved in this game than usual, so harvesting some trust early on wouldn't be a bad idea. Thing is that's also a reason why a Loyal Metalcrafter might attack you. I suppose that they may have chosen either of you as targets because of the unlikelihood of ya'll being protected, but I don't know. This train of thought seemed like a good idea at first but now I feel like I'm even more clueless than I was before.

 

Anyway, I will very likely end up voting for Araris, but I would like to hear a response from him first. If he was the one who killed Strawman I'd be okay with him staying around I guess, since I believe that person is definitely Loyal. If he attacked anyone else though I suspect he is indeed evil.

[Elbereth she/her]

There was a GM error. It has now been resolved. The writeup did not change.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Hopefully you did what I said and had a look at the updated OP, but if you didn't, worth at least checking out the OoA.

 

Order of Actions:

> Roleblocks/Redirects (W1, W2, W3, E1)

> Scouting (E3)

> Vote changes (F1)

> Lynch

> Protects (E2, M1, M3)

> Kills (Traitor kill, F2, F3, M2, Water3)

> Scans/Spying (A2, Water2, A3)

[cloudjumper he/him]

 

Anyway, I will very likely end up voting for Araris, but I would like to hear a response from him first. If he was the one who killed Strawman I'd be okay with him staying around I guess, since I believe that person is definitely Loyal. If he attacked anyone else though I suspect he is indeed evil.

But isn't Araris gone today? Or is that tomorrow?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

So, like I said, I haven't paid much attention to this yet, but now I'm back home, so I'll be paying much more now. Based off what I've seen, I'd like Araris to tell us what he did with his kill.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Did anyone get Tier 2 Earth this cycle? I don't think Strawman declared an heir. @Elb/Hael Are heirs shown in the write-up?

 

ThatTinyStrawMan was killed by a metalcrafter! He was a Loyal Legionare with Tier 1 Water and Tier 3 Earth!

[cloudjumper he/him]

So what I don't understand is why Maill and Phatt are voting for Araris. Araris said that he would not be active on Wednesday, so why would someone expect Araris to respond?

[phattemer]

Alright, I'll unvote Araris for now.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Hey Seonid, have you been able to keep up with the game so far? I'm just wondering if you have any opinions on anything yet.

 

Cloudjumper, you haven't said much in terms of whose suspicious or not. What do you think about Joe and/or Araris?

[Elbereth she/her]

Did anyone get Tier 2 Earth this cycle? I don't think Strawman declared an heir. @Elb/Hael Are heirs shown in the write-up?

 

ThatTinyStrawMan was killed by a metalcrafter! He was a Loyal Legionare with Tier 1 Water and Tier 3 Earth!

Heirs will not be shown in the writeup.

[cloudjumper he/him]

I don't really think that Araris should be lynched yet, until we see what he did with his kill.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I don't really think that Araris should be lynched yet, until we see what he did with his kill.

 

Yeah, I can agree with that I guess. Any thoughts on Joe's alignment? He moved the vote into a tie even though he said he thought Elodin was obviously a villager, but he didn't manipulate the vote to save himself, instead leaving it to a coin flip for his survival or Elodins(or leaving it to the eliminators to move any votes).

[Hellscythe he/him]

SilverDragon, Winter Cloud do you have wood I or know someone who used it on you?

 

DC  (Air)

Seonid (Air)

 

You guys have anything to say about today?

 

Lopen, I'm assuming that you self-protected too, yeah? Did the GMs send you a message that said something like "All abilities used against you failed" (I changed the second and third word just in case they might frown on me quoting it). I ask because I want to know if they always are going to tell us that when we use our ability or only if an action is actually used, as that may be an indicator to what happened with the Traitor kill.

 

 

Don't think that's why. It's probably because you were roleblocked by T2 Wood or because your target was protected by T1 Wood.

Yup, I self-targeted and got that message. I'm assuming that's the message we're gonna get each time we protect ourselves like that, regardless of if anyone actually targeted us or not. I was curious about it too though and I guess it is possible we were both targeted with something, but I wouldn't think so, since I basically said I was gonna self-target last Cycle.

I got a different message. Along the lines of "You were Protected". I asked Elbereth about it and she said both ways could mean T1 Wood but my message could be for other things as well. So I think I got attacked by the eliminators or possibly fire/metal.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Seonid he/him]

I don't have a lot to say. Curious about why Burnt chose to redirect actions from me to her. And wondering which actions were targeted at her and which were redirected. And grateful, if it turns out that I was attacked, because I'd actually like to play this game

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

May I ask why you chose Seonid specifically?

 

Ahh, hmm, I just realized something about Earth. If you use E2 to protect another player then E1 them too to take all actions they receive then wouldn't that effectively protect you at the cost of two actions?

 

Tangent aside, I'm was honestly a bit suspicious of you last cycle, but now I'm not entirely sure what to think. Phatt didn't protect you and I don't think Araris did or else Hellscythe's A3-buddy would have probably mentioned that too. HS can you confirm that Araris didn't use any other actions? If it wasn't any of you three that means someone with Earth as a secondary would have, which is interesting, and personally I don't see why a villager would come to the conclusion to protect you from the get go.

 

I'll try to look at this objectively. The only reason I could see a Traitor Metalcrafter attacking Seonid (if he's loyal) is because of his ability to create PMs, which given him being busy with the LG I don't see why they'd consider him much of a threat. I can see no reason why a Loyal Metalcrafter would go for him, so if he was the original intended target I would reason it was most definitely a Traitor who did it. The only reason I could see a Traitor Metalcrafter attacking you (if you're loyal) is because they don't want to risk a player that could have the ability to scout surviving until the 8th cycle. I feel like if either of you are evil it could have been an attempt at a WGG. However a WGG doesn't real make sense for Seonid, given his aforementioned priorities. You however I can see since you're being more involved in this game than usual, so harvesting some trust early on wouldn't be a bad idea. Thing is that's also a reason why a Loyal Metalcrafter might attack you. I suppose that they may have chosen either of you as targets because of the unlikelihood of ya'll being protected, but I don't know. This train of thought seemed like a good idea at first but now I feel like I'm even more clueless than I was before.

 

Anyway, I will very likely end up voting for Araris, but I would like to hear a response from him first. If he was the one who killed Strawman I'd be okay with him staying around I guess, since I believe that person is definitely Loyal. If he attacked anyone else though I suspect he is indeed evil.

I chose Seonid because i wanted to use my E1 ability, and when deciding what role type i wanted to protect, i decided I'd protect a pm based one, mainly because I feel like half the time, when there are limited pms, the eliminators tend to try and get rid of them to limit village communication. So then why Seonid? Simply because out of the people who were publicly known to have pm abilities, he seemed like one of the pm people who might be more likely to be targetted. And my random number generation system approved too so. (i often use random numbers to convince me if something was a good idea or not. Sounds dumb but it weirdly works... RNG hasn't failed me yet)

 

I don't have a lot to say. Curious about why Burnt chose to redirect actions from me to her. And wondering which actions were targeted at her and which were redirected. And grateful, if it turns out that I was attacked, because I'd actually like to play this game

I too am rather curious as to which actions originally targetted who...  

Though, i guess it would be kinda amusing if you had been the one who was both attacked and protected and I just stole both and created some confusion needlessly...

[Bugsy he/him]

Hey guys, something has come up for today, and I won't have Internet access for a good 15 hours. I'll try to post something when I get back

[Conquestor he/him]

Well, Araris I want to here from you eventually. Someone should roleblock Araris in the mean time, so he doesn't try to kill anyone else. Could someone make a vote tally please?

[Haelbarde he/him]

Hey guys, just want to refresh everyone's memory of the Fair Play Rules:

 

The Fair Play Rules

• You can't use anything from the Game Master to prove you are a villager, like showing the GM's Private Messages to other players, nor show Private Messages from other players.

• You can't use your forum or real life friendship to guarantee to someone that you are speaking the truth. The lack of information, the bluffing, the lies are part of the game.

• Once you're dead, you can't give out any in game information you have. You're dead and the dead don't speak.

• You cannot edit your posts in a way that changes the meaning. You can fix your grammar or spelling and if no one has posted after you, you may add additional thoughts, but you can't change the intent of your post.

• All out of game discussions will be colored in blue once the game starts. This is for things that are unrelated to the game. That said, players are more than free to argue out of character and use their knowledge of the basic game mechanics to identify suspects, detect lies and get others to vote to kill someone. Those types of arguments are game related and thus don't have to be in blue.

• The GM’s rules and stipulations are the law within their own game. If they have deviated from anything within the General Rules, those are the rules players are expected to obey.

• We follow the same policy on Spoilers as the rest of the site. If you’re going to post something that you believe is a spoiler, use the appropriate tags.  

Edited May 26, 2016 by Haelbarde

[cloudjumper he/him]

Vote Tally

 

(1) Araris - Maill

(1) Winter - Hellscythe

(1) Phatt - Gamma

(1) Cloud - Lopen

[Amanuensis he/him]

I got a different message. Along the lines of "You were Protected". I asked Elbereth about it and she said both ways could mean T1 Wood but my message could be for other things as well. So I think I got attacked by the eliminators or possibly fire/metal.

 

Well as we can see in the write-up if someone is successfully protected by Earth2/Metal3 then it will appear. Hiding via Wood1 is like the Explorer role in MR10 so it should not appear, therefore that might explain the attack on you not being announced. However there's also a chance that the eliminators just failed to make a kill and this is HS' trying to cover his tracks (I did the exact same thing in MR11 and it worked out to my advantage). So to confirm that HS did indeed receive a message about being protected due to being hidden by Wood1 I ask that someone with T2 Metal or Fire attack me this cycle or the next.

 

Well it definitely looks like friendly-fire is going to be a thing this game, which is a little expected, but still, pretty heavy crossfire for the first cycle, maybe have the Vigilante roles hold back a little bit until they get a better feeling? Also interesting that the vote came down to a coinflip, even if it came out not in a good way for us. :/ That's why I kept my vote on Joe for the last cycle, especially with all that talk of Fire1 being thrown around. I still want a little bit better of a defense from him than "This is how I would play, I Know You Know, etc." Just simply stating those strategies doesn't exonerate you from actually being an Eliminator, and the more people discount that idea, the more I'm inclined to be suspicious.

 

But I want to put a vote on Phatt for right now, as he didn't really contribute much the first cycle other than claiming a strong set of 4 powers, which does seem like a bluff to me, considering what people have been claiming, and then has only posted about his protection scheme working out? Why would you be such an early first target Phatt, and why did you need protection more than others, at least claiming to be a high enough priority to publicly claim it?

 

Admittedly, Gamma, I am a tad suspicious of you. I want to say it's because you don't seem to be acting right, but I'm also not familiar enough with you as a player to accurately judge that. Does anyone else think Gamma is being unlike himself? I just get the impression that he's skating by. Seems to me like he's not putting much effort into his posts (apart from the RP, the RP is great), just kind of joining the crowd's accusations of Joe and then targeting a player who just happened to stand out at the time. Maybe I'm crazy, but it really doesn't feel right to me.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

 

Admittedly, Gamma, I am a tad suspicious of you. I want to say it's because you don't seem to be acting right, but I'm also not familiar enough with you as a player to accurately judge that. Does anyone else think Gamma is being unlike himself? I just get the impression that he's skating by. Seems to me like he's not putting much effort into his posts (apart from the RP, the RP is great), just kind of joining the crowd's accusations of Joe and then targeting a player who just happened to stand out at the time. Maybe I'm crazy, but it really doesn't feel right to me.

 

 

Heh, fair enough. Although that is a bit of an odd statement to make, saying I'm not acting right but then admitting to not being familiar with my playstyle enough to know better or not. I've honestly just been browsing the thread every now and then, and haven't thought of anything too crazy that people haven't discussed yet, such as the protection type plans or strategies. I'm usually more of a quiet player like that, as I try and give the eliminators as little to go off as possible. Especially after being out of the games for so long, I've just been trying to go back through older games to see how things have gone in games usually, popular eliminator strategies, other players playstyles, etc.

 

Also, if you look back I was the one who actually voted for Joe first, I believe, asking him to give us more of a defense than "This is what I'd do if I were an Eliminator". Which I still want to hear more from him than that, just because he survived the coinflip doesn't mean anything to me, still. But the fact that they didn't try influencing the lynch in or against his favor is pretty telling, and probably does soft clear Joe.

 

I will keep my vote on Phatt right now, however, as all he's really done so far this cycle is try putting another vote on Araris before somebody pointed out he really won't be here this cycle. So to me, that could've potentially been a bandwagon vote, so I'll keep my vote there for right now.

Now I need to go get my Wheel of Time LG ready to launch!

Now I need to get some more RP going!

[Amanuensis he/him]

Heh, fair enough. Although that is a bit of an odd statement to make, saying I'm not acting right but then admitting to not being familiar with my playstyle enough to know better or not. I've honestly just been browsing the thread every now and then, and haven't thought of anything too crazy that people haven't discussed yet, such as the protection type plans or strategies. I'm usually more of a quiet player like that, as I try and give the eliminators as little to go off as possible. Especially after being out of the games for so long, I've just been trying to go back through older games to see how things have gone in games usually, popular eliminator strategies, other players playstyles, etc.

 

Also, if you look back I was the one who actually voted for Joe first, I believe, asking him to give us more of a defense than "This is what I'd do if I were an Eliminator". Which I still want to hear more from him than that, just because he survived the coinflip doesn't mean anything to me, still. But the fact that they didn't try influencing the lynch in or against his favor is pretty telling, and probably does soft clear Joe.

 

I will keep my vote on Phatt right now, however, as all he's really done so far this cycle is try putting another vote on Araris before somebody pointed out he really won't be here this cycle. So to me, that could've potentially been a bandwagon vote, so I'll keep my vote there for right now.

Now I need to go get my Wheel of Time LG ready to launch!

Now I need to get some more RP going!

 

I brought you up in a PM after I posted that and was told that you're infamous for being unreadable and that you usually generate suspicion regardless of what side you are on, so I'm willing to go along with that for being the reason why I don't get a good vibe from you so... Gamma.

 

Ugh. I want to wait for Araris to return because if he's who attacked Strawman I could see him being innocent. I don't really have any reason to pressure Cloudjumper because his activity level seems pretty consistent. I suppose I could vote for phatt as well, but I don't feel very strongly about it. At first I thought he was just happy about saving Burnt but he has since said that wasn't him. Personally Lopen, Elodin and HS seem the most suspicious to me, but I doubt anyone would get behind a Lopen lynch and I feel like Elodin and HS get unlucky early way too often. Harumph.