Mid-Range Game 14: The Canim Fury

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying elodin, so,

I noticed the last two times I was evil (Kira and Jonly) that my eliminator style os super efective at figurong out eliminators and gathering information. So I'm making it my default playstyle, rather than my evil playstyle.

Edited May 23, 2016 by The Only Joe

[Master Elodin]

What I meant was that it seemed like an excuse for being an eliminator.

[Bugsy he/him]

While I can't dispute the fact that it has been largely successful, Joe, it does give off the impression that you're an eliminator yet again and you have to explain why you're using a playstyle everyone remembers all too well from the past couple games. It's definitely not enough to be confident in your guilt, but it appears to be more justification than average for a C1 lynch. I'm going to abstain for now because my gut says you're innocent, but it did last QF too.

And yes, I realize we are a bit paranoid concerning you, Joe, but with good reason

Edited May 23, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

And yes, I realize we are a bit paranoid concerning you, Joe, but with good reason

It makes me Happy. 

[Elbereth she/her]

Note: Please do not edit your PMs. Fixing typos or grammar is okay. Anything beyond that is definitely not, under any circumstances. Double-post if you want to say something else. That's fine in PMs. But do not edit new material in. Thank you.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

So we should probably lynch Joe right?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Hopefully not.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Well, I've already said all the defense I can, so, eh. Plus, you know, Knight Ignus. I can move a vote off of me onto someone else. Really not that worried about being lynched.

[Master Elodin]

How about if more than two people vote on you, Joe? Also I'm surprised that nobody understood what I said. Unless they did and didn't say anything, in which case just say that you figured it out but don't say the thing.

[Bugsy he/him]

I think I might have understood it. Not sure, though. If it is what I think, I don't get why you don't just come out and say it, putting it in a sort of pseudo encoded sentence doesn't help the village since it doesn't really hide it from the Elims

Edited May 24, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

What do you want from me elodin? What have I done to ve suspicious, except try to figure out who was likely to be attacked, and give that information to peoeple who could defend them? I'm a villager, plain and simple. If more than two people vote for me, I'll keep defending myself, but I'll still try to get someone more suspicious lynched.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

So we should probably lynch Joe right?

Wait what? Why are do you want to lynch Joe?

Also Elodin why are you voting for Joe?

Edited May 24, 2016 by DeathClutch19

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Wait what? Why are do you want to lynch Joe?

Also Elodin why are you voting for Joe?

 

Because he said he's playing like an eliminator on purpose. It was mostly a joke though, which is why I put the there. I am actually a little suspicious that he's just using that as a cover, but I don't know that I actually want to lynch him for it. Still, that's basically the only thing I've seen so far that I think is suspicious, so I'll leave my vote there for now and see what happens.

 

I'd like to let everyone know that one of my sisters is getting married on Friday and a bunch of my family is coming, so I'll probably be less active until that's over. Will still be active for each Cycle, I just might not have a lot of time to be on here each day.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Probably Accurate Vote Tally

( 3) Joe - Lopen, Gamma, Elodin

(2) Araris - Conquestor, Hellscythe

(1) Winter -  Ada

(1) Elodin - DC

 

I'm voting for Araris because of the people up for the lynch I suspect Araris the most.

 

Edit: I think only Strawman and cloudjumper are the only 2 at risk of dying of inactivity

Edited May 24, 2016 by Hellscythe

[cloudjumper he/him]

 

Probably Accurate Vote Tally

( 3) Joe - Lopen, Gamma, Elodin

(2) Araris - Conquestor, Hellscythe

(1) Winter -  Ada

(1) Elodin - DC

 

I'm voting for Araris because of the people up for the lynch I suspect Araris the most.

 

Edit: I think only Strawman and cloudjumper are the only 2 at risk of dying of inactivity

 

So why do you suspect Araris?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Um, neither of the people that voted for me have given any reason for their votes on me. I haven't even really done anything this game, except point out that you need level 2 earth crafting to have a protection role. And I mentioned that we should use protection roles, despite there being a chance that we protect a Traitor. I gave an explanation for that second point. And If you go back, I have somewhat (read as really super huge) pressing time commitments today and tomorrow. So poking me isn't going to do anything productive.

 

Edit: And I'm somewhat tired and in an annoyed mood, so if this post seems annoyed, that is intentional. I apologize in advance for anything bad that results from my frustration.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Araris Valerian

[Master Elodin]

I think I might have understood it. Not sure, though. If it is what I think, I don't get why you don't just come out and say it, putting it in a sort of pseudo encoded sentence doesn't help the village since it doesn't really hide it from the Elims

Because it's more interesting. If it's easy for everyone, it isn't as fun. And Joe, I don't want anything from you except empirical proof of your innocence. Also, I am aware that Joe can kill me if no one else votes on him, so just putting that out there in case any of you trust me more than Joe.

EDIT: Never mind. I'm not in danger as of right now. Joe can tie the vote though, and if he's lying about his tier he has a kill.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Master Elodin

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Paranoid theory about Joe, Seonid and Araris being evil!

 

First, Joe posts right away after the thread is put up. "What? Wouldn't that mean he's more likely be a good villager who didn't just receive a doc in his game PM though?!" you might ask. I mean, you might, I don't really know if you definitely would or even who "you" specifically are. Um, right, anyways, back on topic. Joe, trying to get "you" to think that way, decides to be really post-y(post a lot) right from the start of the game if he's evil.

 

Next, he asks for protection really early. Now, okay, I can understand him wanting protection because he's got a role that he thinks the eliminators will want to get rid of, but it could be that he knows he can use his outed role to his advantage by asking for protection and therefore rendering the villager protections useless and him getting protected from any village vigs.

 

My third point. His protection analysis. As a wood-type Pokemonplayer, I can conceivably protect myself until the end of the game and never be killed by anything except the lynch. Pretty powerful huh? Yeah, but he only lists us as secondary targets and implies that we maybe should protect the top targets. My paranoid theory is that he wanted for us to protect someone else so his buddies can attack us and get rid of us instead of trying to get us lynched over the course of the game or having to guess when we might protect someone else. So my advice to both Aman and SD is for you both to probably protect yourselves with your Tier 1 Wood power as I suspect there's not many of us around, given the power of it.

 

4th point. He's got Fire. Fire has vote manipulation. The eliminators will probably need vote manipulation to kill off any annoying Wood people(hint, I'm talking about myself ).

 

Theory about Araris being bad - After Joe violently axes his desktop computer and tells us to ignore his protection analysis, Araris says "That's an interesting analysis you have there Joe. I think that I agree with it for the most part." < That's a perfect quote btw. Anyways, it could be that him and Joe are evil teammates and he wanted to comment on the big plan his buddy had just posted because it might look suspicious if he just ignored it but he didn't want to completely agree with it and be super for it since Joe had just bashed it himself and he didn't want to connect to Joe too much.

 

Theory about Seonid being bad - He only posted once and it was really short and he asked for PM requests and I suspect that if there's an eliminator with PM powers they'd not use them right away but rather take requests or discuss between themselves who they should use them on.

 

Okay, I'm done. Just wanted to get some theories out there.

 

Anyways, the biggest thing you should probably take out of all of that is that us wood powered people can only be killed by the lynch if we always just self-target with our Tier 1 power, so you probably shouldn't lynch me, Aman or SD any time soon(like, this Cycle), unless there's good evidence or you think you've got a really good evil read on one of us. Oh yeah, and if all 3 of us are good guys(unlikely in my mind I think, so I might focus on Aman and SD more than I normally would, because it's a very useful power for eliminators too) then I'd bet that the eliminators have at least 1 vote manipulation power(hence, my suspicion of Joe, because even if only one of us wood type players are evil, 2 village wood types could be game breaking to deal with later on in games without vote manip powers).

 

Basically, Wood is the best power to have.

 

Edit: Oh, and Seonid, I know you're very busy. It's understandable that you'd only post a short post. Mostly it was the thing with PM's that made me wonder about you.

Edited May 24, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Conquestor he/him]

Sorry Araris , It was mostly just a vote for no reason, because I couldn't find anyone suspicious at the time. It was also gut feeling. Also, everyone's always suspicious of Joe, for good reason, but the post and reveal a big plan seems like something he would do. I am also suspect Elodin of being an elimator, because of how he asked people what their tiers in power are. I'm just saying, remember Aman, "guys we should reveal worlds, it might help find out who is an eliminator." At least he gave a reason for wanting this info, you didn't even give one.

[Master Elodin]

Sorry Araris , It was mostly just a vote for no reason, because I couldn't find anyone suspicious at the time. It was also gut feeling. Also, everyone's always suspicious of Joe, for good reason, but the post and reveal a big plan seems like something he would do. I am also suspect Elodin of being an elimator, because of how he asked people what their tiers in power are. I'm just saying, remember Aman, "guys we should reveal worlds, it might help find out who is an eliminator." At least he gave a reason for wanting this info, you didn't even give one.

I was just wondering because I'm tier one in everything.

[Hellscythe he/him]

So why do you suspect Araris?

It's day one. There's not much reason to suspect anyone. We have limited PM's, no alignment/role checks and no actions have been taken yet. Just out of the people being voted for at the time I had already seen Joe's replies to being voted on, I didn't care to see Winter die on her first cycle back in SE, and Elodin had just been voted on in the previous post.

 

Um, neither of the people that voted for me have given any reason for their votes on me. I haven't even really done anything this game, except point out that you need level 2 earth crafting to have a protection role. And I mentioned that we should use protection roles, despite there being a chance that we protect a Traitor. I gave an explanation for that second point. And If you go back, I have somewhat (read as really super huge) pressing time commitments today and tomorrow. So poking me isn't going to do anything productive.

 

Edit: And I'm somewhat tired and in an annoyed mood, so if this post seems annoyed, that is intentional. I apologize in advance for anything bad that results from my frustration.

Sorry Araris didn't mean to annoy you. You yourself didn't post anything suspicious. You just didn't post anything that made me trust you more than the others. Just gathering day one information as much as a day one can have information.

 

Amanuensis could you post a little more on your thoughts about Joe and whoever else is currently up for the lynch as well as thoughts on what powers Hael and Elb might give the eliminators? Or have you been in the doc this whole time so you only posted a vote so you wouldn't be killed for inactivity? 

 

Edit: If anyone wants to PM me we can start a chain.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Amanuensis he/him]

Amanuensis could you post a little more on your thoughts about Joe and whoever else is currently up for the lynch as well as thoughts on what powers Hael and Elb might give the eliminators? Or have you been in the doc this whole time so you only posted a vote so you wouldn't be killed for inactivity? 

 

I'll have to do so later, if that's okay. I'm busy currently. The reason why I haven't said much so far has nothing to do with this game. I will get to it eventually, just got some other things at a higher priority right now.

 

Also, Winter Cloud. 

[Hellscythe he/him]

Okie dokie Aman. I want to hear more from SilverDragon.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I've been busy these past couple days and so I haven't paid a ton of attention to this. I'll be busy for the rest of the day, so don't expect much from me. The next half of the cycle and from then on I should be much more active.

[Master Elodin]

Okay, guys, now that I think about it, I don't really think the 'evidence' against Joe really adds up. I mean, if he was an eliminator, then why would he say he was playing like he was? Unless it was a sort of 'an eliminator would never say that, so because they wouldn't, an eliminator should,' but it doesn't make much sense. I don't think we should lynch him. It's also kinda suspicious that Elodin hopped on the bandwagon that quickly, with basically no reasoning. (speaking of which, are they a new player? If not, have they been evil before? Long absences are annoying in that I don't know people's playstyles.)

I'm not sure that you're defining bandwagon right. And my reasoning was perfectly fine. Saying that you are acting like an eliminator but aren't one is a great cover for actually being an eliminator.

EDIT: I have been an eliminator once. Why does everyone ask this? It's really barely relevant.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Master Elodin