Mid-Range Game 12: Turf War

[Clanky he/him]

 

 

Let's start with the vote on Phatt. First off, why is no one talking about that bandwagon (that cost us a Commander in one of the gangs)? All throughout the day, it was never brought back up, even though it seems pretty clear to me that it was a sudden push on a player for very little reasoning. In fact, the only real reason given was that they didn't want to kill Lopen; someone that I'm not sure isn't a GA as is. 

Then there's this from Clanky: 

 

The problem here is that he said this at the beginning of the night turn. And that it's blatantly false. Even before his vote, Maill clarified what happens in a tie vote: 

 

So either he missed it, even though multiple people brought it up before his vote, or he's lying about his reasoning. And yet no one called him on it. Why not? I'm thinking that the GAs hoped that we had just missed it and they weren't about to bring up themselves.

 

Beyond that, a lot of what he's added to the conversation since hasn't been all that helpful. As Elb pointed out, my plan was only for the first night and it was side tracked by Clanky's plan to use the PMs; a plan that will guarantee that some of the GAs will wind up getting a PM from someone else in their gang and can use that to leverage more information. 

 

As far as the hit on Blade goes, I think that the GAs, as Lopen and Clanky (what a weird coincidence!) pointed out, must have guessed that she was a Banker and that's the only reason that I wasn't attacked last night. Well, that and the possibility that I would have protection, but since we're all still trying to figure out who is in our respective gangs (something that wouldn't have been the case if we had all followed my plan), if I were them, I would've still been willing to chance it. 

 

Bankers, be careful about who you wind up revealing to! As I said above, with Clanky's plan, the GAs likely will be in contact with people within their gang. They very well could be who you already have a PM with even!

 

 

So yea I totally missed that post where maill clarified about tie votes. I don't expect you to believe me but I also think that hoping nobody notices a blatant lie is a pretty stupid thing for a GA to do. Nobody had even asked me to clarify my vote, so why would I volunteer a lie to answer a question nobody asked?!

 

Also I find it quite ridiculous for you to say that"because of Clanky's plan" you may be in a PM with a GA!   There's no way you could've PMd a GA yourself or been PMd by one if I hadn't suggested using PMs. Sorry but that's just completely wrong.

 

It's also ridiculous to say that because of my plan people didn't follow your plan. Firstly people had already disagreed with yours and were discussing other options before I had even suggested mine. At least one player (STINK if I recall correctly) said that he was going to go where he wanted regardless of what anyone tried to plan.

 

If anything your plan helps the GAs more than mine since it causes players to collect themselves into large groups which is exactly what we don't want since it takes away the best aspect of rooms that makes it difficult for the GAs to kill anyone if we are all spread out in small groups. That's not even mentioning the fact that some factions would get a big head start because they can all congregate in a better building. If we had followed mine and Lopens plans correctly instead we would have at least a large group of players knowing their factions from the PMs and no large groups of players forcing the GAs to risk being detected by attacking within the small group in there location.

 

About me being less helpful and active this game than normal sure that's true. I did put forward a plan that despite what you say isn't the reason players have PMs with GAs. So I tried to help and have still posted more than probably half of the people in the game but I suppose I am being less active than normal still. That has to do with rl since I am approaching the end of my term and have a bunch of projects due including one I just handed in today, a presentation I had to do today, another project due tomorrow as well as an exam not to mention having playoffs for both my basketball and volleyball teams today and yesterday so yes I am fairly distracted from SE at the moment. I am sorry for that.

 

Oh and one more thing, firstly I said nothing about it not being you attacked yesterday I only mentioned that it does make sense for blade to have been killed for that reason. I didn't even mention you in that post. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

The Gov Building was the location for one of the gangs to meet (Yes, I'm a Blood Tyrant). I went to where my gang was supposed to be because I believed it was our best bet to solidify the gangs in a way that left the Bankers free to use their points to hunt for GAs. 

 

To point out for the second time that I'm right about this I'm going to quote Mailliw's first post in the sign ups, since this apparently keeps becoming an issue.

 

 

The Blood Tyrants are a violent group, one that’s been around for some time, since before Calamity arose. The members of the gang are harsh and unforgiving, almost bloodthirsty. Their headquarters are in an Abandoned Warehouse.

 

The Pearl District Neighborhood Watch is a group that formed to keep their neighborhood safe. They are very protective and loyal, always watching out for each other. Lately, they’ve begun to try to keep the entire city in order. They are based in the City Hall.

 

The Evanescents were your stereotypical high school nerds. But when the government grew weak, they used their knowledge and began studying Epics and producing weapons and technology. They are based in an Underground Laboratory.

 

Emphasis mine.

 

Where is Government Building in any of those?

 

I was the one to suggest that all the gangs work together, remember? How does my plan benefit the faction aspect more than catching the GAs when my entire plan was to catch all of the GAs first? Also, how are you going to say that my plan was making the GAs' job easier and then go against a plan based on the fact that it makes the GAs' job harder?

 

Now you're twisting my words I never said you wanting gangs to work together was inherently bad for the villagers. I said that having us pile up in our headquarters was (at it gives the eliminators an easier way to hide / more options for who they kill). And in my opinion there's a big difference between initiating an idea that is just plain bad versus not initiating an idea that could make the game unfun for some players.

 

I'm also very curious as to how you supposedly know who your Snitch is, but don't have a PM with them yet. If someone told you that in a PM, then they wouldn't be able to have a PM with the Snitch unless they were the Snitch. Unless you got that information from another Eliminator?

 

It was very obviously between two players. I figured if I bluffed I knew their identity already it would encourage them not bother hiding from me and send me a message. They ended up doing so and now we have plans in the works to try and maximize their roles efficiency.

 

Also, @Clanky:

 

The GAs will probably go for who the best bet for Bankers are and that seems to include anyone who may post something about potentially being one. So Ada Aman I recommend that you get some protection on yourself your banker contact because it doesn't seem like they are being very secretive of their role.

 

My Banker is dead. I am aware of a third Drunk player who has not yet claimed, who went to the City Hall, stole points from my Faction, then spent them to find a member of their faction (which happened to be the same one they stole from >.>). My intent was to make the GAs think I'm the Banker and to get the Banker to PM me to find out how I knew someone stole from them, but that didn't work out. I still have not received word about the second half of my faction, of which Silverblade belonged to, so if you're one of the relevant parties with that information I would appreciate it if you filled in the gap >.>

[Clanky he/him]

 

 

My Banker is dead. I am aware of a third Drunk player who has not yet claimed, who went to the City Hall, stole points from my Faction, then spent them to find a member of their faction (which happened to be the same one they stole from >.>). My intent was to make the GAs think I'm the Banker and to get the Banker to PM me to find out how I knew someone stole from them, but that didn't work out. I still have not received word about the second half of my faction, of which Silverblade belonged to, so if you're one of the relevant parties with that information I would appreciate it if you filled in the gap >.>

I still haven't received word from anyone in my faction unfortunately. I do however still have my PM to use so if there is one of my superiors out there it might actually be nice for you to post in thread saying that you are in my faction. No need to actually reveal what faction you are in just let me know in thread and I can send you a PM.

[Arraenae]

I had a long wall of text full of quotes and hunting down the times that people posted in the forum, but it's completely invalidated by what Aman just said. 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Aman, I made that plan to group the Blood Tyrants in the government Building, the Pearl District in the Warehouse and the Evanescents in the Laboratory. I hadn't realized there were already headquarters for each gang when I posted that. I was just trying to get everyone as many Points as possible. >>

[Amanuensis he/him]

Aman, I made that plan to group the Blood Tyrants in the government Building, the Pearl District in the Warehouse and the Evanescents in the Laboratory. I hadn't realized there were already headquarters for each gang when I posted that. I was just trying to get everyone as many Points as possible. >>

 

Ahh, so that's where the confusion was born from, then.

 

As it stands, these are the locations of everybody that's still alive.

 

Streets (5): Kipper, PK, Dowanx, Shallan, Elbereth

Government Building (5): Rae, Meta, SDragon, Danosaur, Elodin

Warehouse (4): Clanky, Spaghetti, Sart, PK

City Hall (2): Strawman, Kynedath

Pub (2) Lopen, STINK

Pool (1): Aman

Laboratory (?): ???

Ferry (?): ???

 

Players unaccounted for (2): Mark IV, Alvron. Where are you two, currently?

Edited March 15, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Metacognition he/him]

So yea I totally missed that post where maill clarified about tie votes. I don't expect you to believe me but I also think that hoping nobody notices a blatant lie is a pretty stupid thing for a GA to do. Nobody had even asked me to clarify my vote, so why would I volunteer a lie to answer a question nobody asked?!

 

Also I find it quite ridiculous for you to say that"because of Clanky's plan" you may be in a PM with a GA!   There's no way you could've PMd a GA yourself or been PMd by one if I hadn't suggested using PMs. Sorry but that's just completely wrong.

 

It's also ridiculous to say that because of my plan people didn't follow your plan. Firstly people had already disagreed with yours and were discussing other options before I had even suggested mine. At least one player (STINK if I recall correctly) said that he was going to go where he wanted regardless of what anyone tried to plan.

 

If anything your plan helps the GAs more than mine since it causes players to collect themselves into large groups which is exactly what we don't want since it takes away the best aspect of rooms that makes it difficult for the GAs to kill anyone if we are all spread out in small groups. That's not even mentioning the fact that some factions would get a big head start because they can all congregate in a better building. If we had followed mine and Lopens plans correctly instead we would have at least a large group of players knowing their factions from the PMs and no large groups of players forcing the GAs to risk being detected by attacking within the small group in there location.

 

About me being less helpful and active this game than normal sure that's true. I did put forward a plan that despite what you say isn't the reason players have PMs with GAs. So I tried to help and have still posted more than probably half of the people in the game but I suppose I am being less active than normal still. That has to do with rl since I am approaching the end of my term and have a bunch of projects due including one I just handed in today, a presentation I had to do today, another project due tomorrow as well as an exam not to mention having playoffs for both my basketball and volleyball teams today and yesterday so yes I am fairly distracted from SE at the moment. I am sorry for that.

 

Oh and one more thing, firstly I said nothing about it not being you attacked yesterday I only mentioned that it does make sense for blade to have been killed for that reason. I didn't even mention you in that post. 

 

Why is it that, even after it's been clarified before, people still think my plan was for the gangs to continue traveling together after the first night? You keep on saying this as if it would still be in effect! It was supposed to be only for the first night, so we could all learn our gangs without wasting our PMs and/or points, so those things can go towards finding the GAs. It's like you're trying to force the idea that it was in the interest of the GAs when it was anything but. 

 

Due to your plan, you actually may be in contact with a GA. There's no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. They are spread throughout the gangs. Your plan was to use the PMs to contact most of your gang. It's almost guaranteed that they're going to get a PM from someone. 

 

Granted, they have their own PMs to send out and you may have wound up PMing one without your plan, but your plan makes them an integral part of a chain to keep the gangs together and you don't see how you've given them a far better position than before? At least before your plan, it was still random. They might have gotten a PM or they might not. Your way practically makes sure they do. 

 

I never said that it was due to your plan. It's "ridiculous" for you to even think that. 

 

And finally, I never said you did say anything about me being attacked. You seem to be going to great lengths here to twist what I said. I only said that you and Lopen both made assumptions about why Silverblade was attacked. In a way, I was agreeing with you. I just think that you came to the conclusion because you had some additional knowledge about the kill, so if you really want to address something, go after that. 

 

 

To point out for the second time that I'm right about this I'm going to quote Mailliw's first post in the sign ups, since this apparently keeps becoming an issue.

 

 

Emphasis mine.

 

Where is Government Building in any of those?

 

 

Now you're twisting my words I never said you wanting gangs to work together was inherently bad for the villagers. I said that having us pile up in our headquarters was (at it gives the eliminators an easier way to hide / more options for who they kill). And in my opinion there's a big difference between initiating an idea that is just plain bad versus not initiating an idea that could make the game unfun for some players.

 

 

It was very obviously between two players. I figured if I bluffed I knew their identity already it would encourage them not bother hiding from me and send me a message. They ended up doing so and now we have plans in the works to try and maximize their roles efficiency.

 

Also, @Clanky:

 

 

My Banker is dead. I am aware of a third Drunk player who has not yet claimed, who went to the City Hall, stole points from my Faction, then spent them to find a member of their faction (which happened to be the same one they stole from >.>). My intent was to make the GAs think I'm the Banker and to get the Banker to PM me to find out how I knew someone stole from them, but that didn't work out. I still have not received word about the second half of my faction, of which Silverblade belonged to, so if you're one of the relevant parties with that information I would appreciate it if you filled in the gap >.>

 

I'm not going to keep repeating myself about my plan and it's intent, considering you seem to be quite confused by it entirely, but I am going to point out this; 

 

 

Okay, well, if we're gonna have the gangs meet at certain places, we better get that settled so that most(if not all) of the players can send in their action. I'm still not certain about this plan, but I don't see any huge risks I suppose, and it might give us a good starting point to coordinate things. As far as I can tell, there are 3 places to go: Government Building(gives you an automatic 2 points), Warehouse(chance for 3 or 4 points, but possibly none or losing 3) and the Laboratory(very risky, for 3 points, but if you hardly have any points, you might want to try it). There's also the City Hall, which allows players to steal points from Banks, and have their vote counted twice. I'd say the places that give points are more valuable to the gangs though, but that's just my personal opinion. So, if we're doing this plan, how about this:

 

Blood Tyrants go to the Government Building.

Pearl Districts Neighborhood Watch's goes to the Warehouse.

The Evanescents go to the Laboratory.

 

If anyone has any complaints, you're welcome to change that up, but be warned that it may reveal information about what faction you're on. I only did it because I don't mind you all getting idea's about my faction and I think that we need to have this set early enough so that most players can see it and send in their actions accordingly.

 

That was Lopen's post on where the gangs should've been meeting up last night. I even responded to it: 

 

 

I was just going to use their headquarters as a starting place, but your way does maximize our efficiency, IMO. The Pearl District would be at a disadvantage if we're working together after all. If they start out stealing points from the rest of the gangs, this all dissolves into chaos. 

 

The entire idea was to make sure that all the gangs had a place to go that would give them some benefit (another reason why I don't understand what you're all going on about with my plan). 

 

So while you are correct on the headquarters of each gang, you're still wrong. 

 

So you're trying to find the Banker of another gang? Am I reading that right? How is that supposed to make it any better?

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I just thought of a plan that might be very interesting. What if we had the 2 remaining Bankers claim next Day Turn, then they would announce who they wanted to scan, and ONLY them and that player would go to either the Pub or the Pool(both of the places where there's no benefits for normal players, so that should allow other players to get stuff and fund the Bankers) and the Bankers would scan them. Then, they'd have protection from the GA's(they'd be in a separate location from everyone) and get to scan whoever they wanted. If the player they're gonna scan is a GA, then they'd probably die, but we'd get at LEAST one GA that way with each Banker and more than likely clear some players before that happens. Seriously, there's so many ways to use the room system that I don't understand why players would be like "I wanna go where I wanna go." Isn't the goal of the game as a player to complete your win con? I don't see how organization takes any fun away from the game. What purpose does anyone have for going to a specific location? To get points. What is the best way to use Points? To catch the eliminators and also Epics I guess, but I'm treating that as it is, the second win condition.

 

Anyways, besides that very small rant mostly pointed at Aman , this new plan doesn't really involve anyone besides the Bankers and the player who would be scanned. All the other players need to do is NOT go to the place that is forbidden to go to. IF both remaining Bankers are on the same side of the river, then I might suggest that 1 of the Bankers goes on the Ferry and NO ONE ELSE DOES. That way, if we have a Banker on both sides, we can have complete availability to scan everyone.

 

If you are a Banker and think this is a good plan, DON'T claim yet. Wait until the next Day Turn so that we can arrange for a specific location to protect you.

 

I think it'd be best if we could get some more input on this plan though, just in case the Bankers have any worries about me suggesting this and just in case I'm missing something vital that could ruin this plan. I don't see any flaws in it, but I literally just thought about it, so I haven't had time to really see if I can make it 100% foolproof.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

 

As it stands, these are the locations of everybody that's still alive.

 

Streets (5): Kipper, PK, Dowanx, Shallan, Elbereth

Government Building (5): Rae, Meta, SDragon, Danosaur, Elodin

Warehouse (4): Clanky, Spaghetti, Sart, PK

City Hall (2): Strawman, Kynedath

Pub (2) Lopen, STINK

Pool (1): Aman

Laboratory (?): ???

Ferry (?): ???

 

Players unaccounted for (2): Mark IV, Alvron. Where are you two, currently?

It also looks like Elkanah is unaccounted for too. So that makes it 3 people.

[Amanuensis he/him]

The entire idea was to make sure that all the gangs had a place to go that would give them some benefit (another reason why I don't understand what you're all going on about with my plan). 

 

So while you are correct on the headquarters of each gang, you're still wrong. 

 

Yeah, I had completely missed that. I thought Lopen was just getting one of the headquarters wrong. Didn't remember any post about maximizing point efficiency.

 

So you're trying to find the Banker of another gang? Am I reading that right? How is that supposed to make it any better?

 

No, I just wanted to know my own Banker since I'm making myself a spokesperson for the Evanescents. As I've told one of my subordinates in a PM, we need to work together if we want to win this (no village has ever won (as far as I am aware) because of one individual).

 

I just thought of a plan that might be very interesting. What if we had the 2 remaining Bankers claim next Day Turn, then they would announce who they wanted to scan, and ONLY them and that player would go to either the Pub or the Pool(both of the places where there's no benefits for normal players, so that should allow other players to get stuff and fund the Bankers) and the Bankers would scan them. Then, they'd have protection from the GA's(they'd be in a separate location from everyone) and get to scan whoever they wanted. If the player they're gonna scan is a GA, then they'd probably die, but we'd get at LEAST one GA that way with each Banker and more than likely clear some players before that happens. Seriously, there's so many ways to use the room system that I don't understand why players would be like "I wanna go where I wanna go." Isn't the goal of the game as a player to complete your win con? I don't see how organization takes any fun away from the game. What purpose does anyone have for going to a specific location? To get points. What is the best way to use Points? To catch the eliminators and also Epics I guess, but I'm treating that as it is, the second win condition.

 

Anyways, besides that very small rant mostly pointed at Aman , this new plan doesn't really involve anyone besides the Bankers and the player who would be scanned. All the other players need to do is NOT go to the place that is forbidden to go to. IF both remaining Bankers are on the same side of the river, then I might suggest that 1 of the Bankers goes on the Ferry and NO ONE ELSE DOES. That way, if we have a Banker on both sides, we can have complete availability to scan everyone.

 

If you are a Banker and think this is a good plan, DON'T claim yet. Wait until the next Day Turn so that we can arrange for a specific location to protect you.

 

I think it'd be best if we could get some more input on this plan though, just in case the Bankers have any worries about me suggesting this and just in case I'm missing something vital that could ruin this plan. I don't see any flaws in it, but I literally just thought about it, so I haven't had time to really see if I can make it 100% foolproof.

 

I like this plan, and will give it my support. However it's also important that I remain in a zone all by myself. So maybe we can annex one of the less useful buildings with an accompanying action?

 

It also looks like Elkanah is unaccounted for too. So that makes it 3 people.

 

Ah, yes. Dunno how I missed him.

Edited March 15, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Arraenae]

However it's also important that I remain in a zone all by myself. So maybe we can annex one of the less useful buildings with an accompanying action?

 

You do know that saying that is just begging people to ask why, right? 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Why don't we have you get scanned first then? That way, it won't matter if the Banker goes there with you? I don't know why you want to be there all by yourself anyways. Isn't it a Public Pool? 

 

Edit: Good ninja Rae. 

 

Aman, we could annex the City Hall to make sure the GA's don't steal the Bankers points?

Edited March 15, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Master Elodin]

Maybe he's an Epic with some sort of "death field"?

[Amanuensis he/him]

You do know that saying that is just begging people to ask why, right? 

 

It's their right to ask. Doesn't really affect me if anyone does or not.

 

Why don't we have you get scanned first then? That way, it won't matter if the Banker goes there with you? I don't know why you want to be there all by yourself anyways. Isn't it a Public Pool?  

 

Edit: Good ninja Rae.  

 

I'm perfectly okay with this. I volunteer to be scanned first to confirm my loyalty, and then to be left alone to my own devices.

 

Maybe he's an Epic with some sort of "death field"?

 

That would just be ridiculous      

[Mark IV he/him]

Me, Alv and Elk are in the ferry.

[Arraenae]

For that plan to work, everybody would have to be donating, because scanning people takes 10 points. I don't know about most people, but I can maximize at 2.75 a day cycle with a vote, location, and two RPs. I'm guessing that most people don't want to RP two or more times a cycle, but voting and giving your location should be fairly easy.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Aman, we could annex the City Hall to make sure the GA's don't steal the Bankers points?

 

That sounds good to me, actually. There's no reason why factions should be stealing from each other this early.

 

Me, Alv and Elk are in the ferry.

 

Okay. So Mark was at the Lab last cycle so he's heading towards the Pub, Warehouse and Government Building now. Elkanah was in the City Hall so he must be heading the same way. Alvron is on the ferry (presumably) because he just joined.

 

For that plan to work, everybody would have to be donating, because scanning people takes 10 points. I don't know about most people, but I can maximize at 2.75 a day cycle with a vote, location, and two RPs. I'm guessing that most people don't want to RP two or more times a cycle, but voting and giving your location should be fairly easy.

 

Actually, it's only 9 points for a Banker to find out if a player is a GA. There should be no reason for a loyal player not to donate their points to their Banker (since Bankers are confirmed loyal), only a GA would want to horde points to themselves, likely for the ten point protection. Considering my crew had seven players besides the Banker, that means that if each one got at least 1.5 points since the start of this game then the Banker should have enough to use on the next night (before the banks get cleaned out) along with some change leftover. That being said @Evanescents, make sure you do not donate your points since our Banker is already dead. Also, @Bankers don't reveal yourselves tonight so that the GAs can't kill you to nullify this plan (unless your on the Streets then reveal yourself and ask for protection). On the next day turn you can reveal (since your a guaranteed loyal) and we can decide which locations you two should go. I will go there along with you so that I can be scanned then return to the pool next cycle.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

So, more fleshing out of my plan. Players would need to be donating quite a lot yes. Though it's only 9 points for the Banker scan.

 

Players need to: Vote(half a point), post once(half a point), do one RP(1 point) and move locations(half a point). That's 2.5, as well as any points earned through Buildings. I know not everyone does RP though(I didn't on the first Cycle), so we may need some players to pick up the slack.   Assuming there's at least 6 players in each faction, that shouldn't be a problem I don't think, even with the 3 deaths that have happened already.

[Amanuensis he/him]

So, Strawman, since you're not in my faction mind me asking why you went to the Laboratory C1 and why you went to the City Hall now?

[Master Elodin]

Lopen, are you sure that 4 people should be using info from a random scan this early in the game? I honestly think that deduction should be enough until everyone can afford to give away 3-5 points. I will do this if everyone agrees, but I don't really want to.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Lopen, are you sure that 4 people should be using info from a random scan this early in the game? I honestly think that deduction should be enough until everyone can afford to give away 3-5 points. I will do this if everyone agrees, but I don't really want to.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. 4 people using info from a random scan? What scan? What 4 people(the 2 Bankers and their scan targets?)? What exactly do you not want to do? Sorry if it's clear what you mean. I misunderstand obvious things all the time. 

 

If you're saying you don't want to donate to your points to your banker, then why? What exactly do you need your points for? I don't see anything that's more valuable than a Banker scan for a GA right now.

 

Edit: I think Shallan is gonna die from inactivity if she doesn't post this Turn.

Edited March 15, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Mailliw73 he/him]

PK is on the Streets, not in the Warehouse as some information says. That was a typo. 

 

Also, if a faction has no banker for a time, players of that faction will not be able to donate points. 

[Master Elodin]

Lopen I meant the points of 4 people for one banker scan.

[Clanky he/him]

 

 

And finally, I never said you did say anything about me being attacked. You seem to be going to great lengths here to twist what I said. I only said that you and Lopen both made assumptions about why Silverblade was attacked. In a way, I was agreeing with you. I just think that you came to the conclusion because you had some additional knowledge about the kill, so if you really want to address something, go after that. 

 

 

As far as the hit on Blade goes, I think that the GAs, as Lopen and Clanky (what a weird coincidence!) pointed out, must have guessed that she was a Banker and that's the only reason that I wasn't attacked last night.

Here's the part where you talked about lopen and I saying that it Silverblade being a banker was why you weren't attacked. Here is lopens post, and my post about potential bankers being targeted neither of which even mention you in it at all. So no I didn't twist your words you just decided to make it about you.

 

 

Why is it that, even after it's been clarified before, people still think my plan was for the gangs to continue traveling together after the first night? You keep on saying this as if it would still be in effect! It was supposed to be only for the first night, so we could all learn our gangs without wasting our PMs and/or points, so those things can go towards finding the GAs. It's like you're trying to force the idea that it was in the interest of the GAs when it was anything but. 

 

I never said it would last the whole game, but for the one cycle yes it would matter. I'm not necessarily saying that you are a GA for proposing the plan. I'm just saying that I believe a single round of PMs is worth not giving the GAs a free kill where we don't learn anything. You also keep trying to push that it was because of my plan that nobody did yours. Not one person said "Let's do Clankys plan instead of Metas" my plan and yours could've been both done at the same time but not everyone wanted to be told where to go. I simply gave an alternative that didn't require anyone to be in any particular place. 

 

 

Due to your plan, you actually may be in contact with a GA. There's no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. They are spread throughout the gangs. Your plan was to use the PMs to contact most of your gang. It's almost guaranteed that they're going to get a PM from someone. 

 

Granted, they have their own PMs to send out and you may have wound up PMing one without your plan, but your plan makes them an integral part of a chain to keep the gangs together and you don't see how you've given them a far better position than before? At least before your plan, it was still random. They might have gotten a PM or they might not. Your way practically makes sure they do. 

 

I never said that it was due to your plan. It's "ridiculous" for you to even think that. 

Actually you did just say that it was due to my plan about two paragraphs ago. Other than that yes if my plan had worked it would have made sure everybody was in a PM. Which I think is actually better than everybody sending their PM to one of the more experienced players just because they are experienced. If anything my plan lowered the probability of an experienced GA getting messages from a bunch of players just because they were experienced. I think that having everybody included in PMs is actually very useful even if we didn't learn our factions from it because it helps everyone be included in the conversations and limits the possibility of a single player being able to do too much through PMs when we have no way of testing their alignment.

 

There is an equal amount of PMs controlled by GAs that they will send out no matter what. By allowing everyone to send out PMs randomly you have the exact same odds of choosing a GA as you do with everyone being in one PM.My plan in no way shape or form increases the chances of any individual player being in contact with a GA through PMs. End of story.

 

 

 

Now I still haven't heard anything from anyone in my faction so I am part of the Neighborhood watch. If there are any other neighborhood watch players who still have a PM or would like to announce in thread I still have a PM I can send out.

[Kynedath]

So, Strawman, since you're not in my faction mind me asking why you went to the Laboratory C1 and why you went to the City Hall now?

So wait, you are in my faction? I did the exact same thing.