Orlion Blight he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Hmm left libertarian here... whatever that means It means you're a communist!
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Yeah. I did this a couple months ago. I was about halfway between ThirdGen and Twi. Knowing that a few of my colleagues consider me extreme, (in Australia, too, a far more left wing society) I can't help wondering what ThirdGen is like politically. Highly entertaining and easy to rile up. 1
Blaze1616 he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Hmm left libertarian here... whatever that means Libertarians are people who believe every individual's liberties are sacred (if I'm understanding it correctly). In other words, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do; you're free to do as you please. Examples: -freedom to marry whomever, regardless of sex. -freedom to worship whomever -freedom to treat your body however you choose (drugs, abortion, etc) -freedom to employ and serve whomever you want -freedom to pay employees whatever you feel is right -freedom to not pay taxes It boils down to being economically conservative and socially liberal. You being labeled a left libertarian likely means you're not as economically conservative as the "ideal" libertarian would be. As a note, these quizzes aren't usually too accurate, though they often allow for a very basic analysis.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Out for a showing right now. Bruce likes the mall.
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Out for a showing right now. Bruce likes the mall. How much does the mall like him back?
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 How much does the mall like him back? He was very popular. Also, MOM. STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO ASK IN MY INTERVIEW. YOU ARE NOT THE ONE TRYING FOR THE JOB.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I got basically the same result as Twi, only a bit closer to the center point. Bands of Mourning was amazing! This is coming from the guy who doesn't like Era 2 all that much, but BoM was awesome! It's up there with Era 1 for me. I'm just over halfway in Secret History, and that's a lot of fun too, but I don't recommend it until you've read the rest of the cosmere first.
ThirdGen Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Libertarians are people who believe every individual's liberties are sacred (if I'm understanding it correctly). In other words, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do; you're free to do as you please. Examples: -freedom to marry whomever, regardless of sex. -freedom to worship whomever -freedom to treat your body however you choose (drugs, abortion, etc) -freedom to employ and serve whomever you want -freedom to pay employees whatever you feel is right -freedom to not pay taxes It boils down to being economically conservative and socially liberal. You being labeled a left libertarian likely means you're not as economically conservative as the "ideal" libertarian would be. As a note, these quizzes aren't usually too accurate, though they often allow for a very basic analysis. What you're describing as an "ideal" libertarian is a right libertarian. Essentially, freedom of everyone to do anything, including dominating and suppressing the freedom of others. That's why the apparent contradiction of right on one axis, left on the other. Yeah. I did this a couple months ago. I was about halfway between ThirdGen and Twi. Knowing that a few of my colleagues consider me extreme, (in Australia, too, a far more left wing society) I can't help wondering what ThirdGen is like politically. Trotskyist with the occasional tiny anarchist leaning. Edited January 29, 2016 by ThirdGen
Orlion Blight he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The Shard is full of communists!
Blaze1616 he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 What you're describing as an "ideal" libertarian is a right libertarian. Essentially, freedom of everyone to do anything, including dominating and suppressing the freedom of others. That's why the apparent contradiction of right on one axis, left on the other. I'm not sure I agree, I didn't say anything about domination or suppressing the freedom of others. I assume you're referring to the economic points I made, which the obvious counter-statement would be that as the employee getting paid less than what you deem is right, you're free to seek employment elsewhere, and for the hiring practices, as the client you're free to choose where you go to look for services. Please note I'm not saying this is right, nor do I agree with this, but this is what a libertarian is; someone who believes in free will, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do. I would suspect right libertarians tend to lean right on social issues, and left libertarians lean left on economic issues. Though if you do have a better definition please correct me, it's very possible I'm wrong. It's why running for president in the US as a libertarian is so tough; which of the two major parties do you run under? Because you can't run under the Libertarian party due to the US's two party system, and each of the two parties will have an issue with either your economic policies or your social policies, which often cripples you.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 About to log on for my interview. I am super freaking nervous. 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 About to log on for my interview. I am super freaking nervous. You can do it. You're awesome. Just take a deep breath and stay calm.
RippleGylf she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) About to log on for my interview. I am super freaking nervous. You are amazing, Twi! Eat a banana, that might help. Edit: On second thought, it might be a bit late to suddenly wolf down a banana. Edited January 29, 2016 by RippleGylf 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Work has been doing team-building exercises. They schedule you in, you go, you do a thing. I just spent an hour playing Pictionary when I have work piling up. (I'm on break now.)
Orlion Blight he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Work has been doing team-building exercises. They schedule you in, you go, you do a thing. I just spent an hour playing Pictionary when I have work piling up. (I'm on break now.) Man, I hate when HR or management does that. We get it, you exist! Now let us do our jobs!Later on, you might get a call asking why your projects are backed up. It's over the phone because for some reason, when they make the query in person they end up getting strangled or have paper weighs hurled at them.
ThirdGen Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I'm not sure I agree, I didn't say anything about domination or suppressing the freedom of others. I assume you're referring to the economic points I made, which the obvious counter-statement would be that as the employee getting paid less than what you deem is right, you're free to seek employment elsewhere, and for the hiring practices, as the client you're free to choose where you go to look for services. Please note I'm not saying this is right, nor do I agree with this, but this is what a libertarian is; someone who believes in free will, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do. I would suspect right libertarians tend to lean right on social issues, and left libertarians lean left on economic issues. Though if you do have a better definition please correct me, it's very possible I'm wrong. It's why running for president in the US as a libertarian is so tough; which of the two major parties do you run under? Because you can't run under the Libertarian party due to the US's two party system, and each of the two parties will have an issue with either your economic policies or your social policies, which often cripples you. "someone who believes in free will, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do." Regardless of who "you" are. "You," the Koch brother, have very different social interests from "you," the regular person. A hands-off attitude benefits the ones who can enforce power their own way (through money, ownership of media outlets and places of employment, etc.).
Kestrel she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I would do the quiz but I went to the link and couldn't find the quiz. Idk I'm dumb
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 You can do it. You're awesome. Just take a deep breath and stay calm. You are amazing, Twi! Eat a banana, that might help. Edit: On second thought, it might be a bit late to suddenly wolf down a banana. And I did it! I think it went pretty well, but I'm hoping I'm right about that. "someone who believes in free will, the government shouldn't be able to tell you what to do." Regardless of who "you" are. "You," the Koch brother, have very different social interests from "you," the regular person. A hands-off attitude benefits the ones who can enforce power their own way (through money, ownership of media outlets and places of employment, etc.). The way the site explained it was that libertarians believe the individual is more important than the state; authoritarians believe the state is more important than the individual. Obviously, there are different shades within those two broad categories—and those who are pro-corporation are just as likely to be on the libertarian side as those who oppose big business—but I thought that was a pretty good definition. 1
Seonid he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The particular site in question goes for a 2-axis system of political definition. Right libertarians follow a laissez-faire economic philosophy, minimal or no regulation at all. In addition, they are libertarian on social issues, believing that - by and large - the government shouldn't interfere with individual's private lives. Left libertarians do not have a publicly visible presence in America, and anyone whose only experience with libertarianism is American politics may find it a contradiction in terms. However, several European (mostly Contintental) philosophers have followed a left-libertarian schema. The premise is the same as the right libertarians when it comes to the private lives of individuals - the government/state ought not interfere. However, their economic beliefs are communalistic and utopian - a sort of voluntary communism without state coercion. Many of the Israeli kibbutzim were like this at one point at least, and a number of hippie communes during the 60's met this criteria. On the far extreme (far more extreme than most, if any, of the charts I've seen here), one French philosopher even believed that the mere ownership of property was a form of theft. These left-leaning thinkers are obviously incompatible with right libertarians on economic issues, because in a propertyless society - or even a communalistic one that approaches that (like the Mormon United Order experiments in Missouri - the ones in Utah were more authoritarian) - the free market that right libertarians so value is non-functional. The far extremes of any libertarianism position is anarchism - which has both left and right variants. Left authoritarians include stereotypical socialists. They invite heavy state regulation of the economy (achieving the same ends as the left libertarian's economic ideal), but also believe that the state's needs ought to be prioritized over the individual. So, cultural and social outliers are marginalized, and so on. The most common examples of such regimes in American media are repressive - the Soviet and Chinese Communists - but the European social democracies are much milder versions (tending towards the less authoritarian part of the axis). Right authoritarians include stereotypical American conservatives. They are aligned with right libertarians on the issue of the free market, but favor state enforcement of a code of ethics/morality (in America, it aligns with Christian values, but it doesn't have to). The interest of the state in legislating that code of morality is more important than the interests of the individual in freely expressing themselves. Again, social and cultural outliers are marginalized. As has been mentioned, there are many many shades of difference even between people in the same quadrant. Also, this has no bearing on whether someone is a good person - there are moral and ethical people in all four quadrants, as well as total monsters - but only shows a slice of their particular constellation of political beliefs. It is more accurate than the traditional left-right line graph, though, because as we have already seen in this thread American Libertarians can't find a home on the left or the right. (Almost all American politicians are either left authoritarian or right authoritarian - and most of them, including President Obama and Hilary Clinton, are right authoritarian.) Bernie Sanders is left, and right on the line between authoritarian and libertarian. Ron Paul was very right, and slightly libertarian. 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Man, I hate when HR or management does that. We get it, you exist! Now let us do our jobs! Later on, you might get a call asking why your projects are backed up. It's over the phone because for some reason, when they make the query in person they end up getting strangled or have paper weighs hurled at them. Amusingly enough, HR had nothing to do with this. It was a peer committee that had the idea. I kind of get what they're doing; get folks off the grind of the phones for an hour, let them meet some people from other teams, and so forth. But it makes a lot more sense for the rank-and-file folks whose work is almost all inbound calls. For folks like me, well, I have a lot more stuff that comes in via e-mail or just in regular deskwork/widget programming that it cuts into my productive time a lot more.
Seonid he/him Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Thank goodness. I was wondering if my long post on politics had killed the thread...
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Thank goodness. I was wondering if my long post on politics had killed the thread... All hail Seonid, Cooker of Waffles and Slayer of Threads! 3
Seonid he/him Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Muahahaha! I shall reign over this forum forever, slaying all threads which displease me, and dispensing delicious waffles to all they who submit to my rule! 4
Recommended Posts