+Slowswift Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 The author is a devout Christian? It's all but shoved in your face that Aslan is Jesus? What?
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 The author is a devout Christian? It's all but shoved in your face that Aslan is Jesus? What? Whenever Lewis' faith is mentioned, it's always in quotes—he was converted to "Christianity" by Tolkien. The author of this piece argues that since both men wrote about mystical beings like fauns, hobbits, centaurs, and elves, they couldn't have been true believers.
+Slowswift Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Whenever Lewis' faith is mentioned, it's always in quotes—he was converted to "Christianity" by Tolkien. The author of this piece argues that since both men wrote about mystical beings like fauns, hobbits, centaurs, and elves, they couldn't have been true believers. Wow.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Wow. It reminds me of a lot of the anti-Potter propaganda I grew up with. I'd be all nostalgic if it wasn't so stupid. 3
Kaymyth she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 And here I always thought ancient egypt was supposed to be the secretly evil one. Yay, we're the evil ones! (Seriously, Ma'at would just look down her nose at that theory and just be like, ppsssht, I'm the ultimate in truth and justice, y'all are idjits.)
+Slowswift Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Yay, we're the evil ones! (Seriously, Ma'at would just look down her nose at that theory and just be like, ppsssht, I'm the ultimate in truth and justice, y'all are idjits.) Oh, Kaymyth, on a scale of 10 to infinity, how inaccurate is that new Gods of Egypt movie?
Kaymyth she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Oh, Kaymyth, on a scale of 10 to infinity, how inaccurate is that new Gods of Egypt movie? Infinity-squared.
Orlion Blight he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 The author is a devout Christian? It's all but shoved in your face that Aslan is Jesus? What? All but shoved in your face? I think Aslan comes right out and says he's Jesus in one of the books (I want to say Magicians Nephew?)In either case, I think we all agree: Narnia symbolism is the antnonym of subtlety. 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Figured. Setting aside all of the religious inaccuracies (of which is pretty much everything), there's also the standard Hollywood egregious whitewashing of the cast. These are people and gods who should (depending on who you ask) either of Middle Eastern or African descent. I'd say it ought to be a mix of both, given that ancient Egypt was a crossroads of many different cultures, but the simple truth is we just don't know. Their art was so stylized and symbolic that it's hard to get a good idea of what they actually looked like out of that. But they definitely, certainly, absolutely should not be a bunch of Caucasians. Edited February 6, 2016 by Kaymyth
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 All but shoved in your face? I think Aslan comes right out and says he's Jesus in one of the books (I want to say Magicians Nephew?) In either case, I think we all agree: Narnia symbolism is the antnonym of subtlety. I was going to say Prince Caspian, but I think it might be Magician's Nephew. And yeah, the symbolism is pretty obvious, which is why Poe's Law is so strong with this article. Infinity-squared. I expected as much.
Young Bard he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Can I see this website, Twi. I have trouble comprehending the sheer idiocy and would like to see this for myself. EDIT: On a completely different topic, does this website have comments enabled? Edited February 6, 2016 by The Young Bard
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Can I see this website, Twi. I have trouble comprehending the sheer idiocy and would like to see this for myself. EDIT: On a completely different topic, does this website have comments enabled? Here's the link, and no it does not. Sadly. 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 I expected as much. They aren't even using the proper names. Which, OK, I get it, nobody recognizes most of them because everyone uses the Romanicized versions. Wesir/Osiris, Aset/Isis, Heru/Horus, etc. But dangit, people, even the Mummy movies, when people were speaking Egyptian, actually managed to do stuff like call Anubis by his proper name Anpu! Sorry, but when the people behind Indiana Frasier did their homework better than you, you gots problems.
Young Bard he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 They aren't even using the proper names. Which, OK, I get it, nobody recognizes most of them because everyone uses the Romanicized versions. Wesir/Osiris, Aset/Isis, Heru/Horus, etc. But dangit, people, even the Mummy movies, when people were speaking Egyptian, actually managed to do stuff like call Anubis by his proper name Anpu! Sorry, but when the people behind Indiana Frasier did their homework better than you, you gots problems. Well, I suppose it all depends on what they're going for with what they've created. If they are genuinely looking for a realistic version that stick to the myths perfectly, then yes, they are complete and total idiots for not doing their job properly. However, if they're after a mainstream entertainment loosely based on the Egyptian myths (which is what I think this is, not having seen it), then they might prefer to just use the more common naming conventions that everyone that isn't a Kemetic Pagan or a complete and total nerd would know, and leave it there.
ChickenPlague he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Those strange words EUAN, EUAN, EU-oi-oi-oi are an ancient witches’ chant used to invoke the power and presence of the god of drunkenness and addiction, who is named Bacchus. -from the satanic Narnia article No I'm pretty sure those are donkey sounds 1
The Invested Beard Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Whenever Lewis' faith is mentioned, it's always in quotes—he was converted to "Christianity" by Tolkien. The author of this piece argues that since both men wrote about mystical beings like fauns, hobbits, centaurs, and elves, they couldn't have been true believers. Okay now that's just stupid.
Kaymyth she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Well, I suppose it all depends on what they're going for with what they've created. If they are genuinely looking for a realistic version that stick to the myths perfectly, then yes, they are complete and total idiots for not doing their job properly. However, if they're after a mainstream entertainment loosely based on the Egyptian myths (which is what I think this is, not having seen it), then they might prefer to just use the more common naming conventions that everyone that isn't a Kemetic Pagan or a complete and total nerd would know, and leave it there. True enough. I am both a Kemetic Pagan and a complete and total nerd, so I notice these things. But...they really did butcher even the really well-known Set vs. Heru struggle myth, so far as I can see. It's a very pretty movie with lots of pretty costumes and absolutely zero substance to any of it.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 No I'm pretty sure those are donkey sounds Okay now that's just stupid. Stupid enough that, upon reading a few sentences, I dismissed everything else said by the writer of a completely separate article whose link I followed to get to the "satanic Narnia" one.
The Invested Beard Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Stupid enough that, upon reading a few sentences, I dismissed everything else said by the writer of a completely separate article whose link I followed to get to the "satanic Narnia" one. Good for you. Intellectual honesty is a valuable asset these days.
Young Bard he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) I'm assuming this has to be satire. I fail to comprehend a person who actually believes this. For example: When I saw the release date of this new movie, I was not surprised. December 9th is the 13th day before the witches’ quarter-sabat of Yule. The full cold moon is midway between the release date and the sabat of Yule. The waxing moon is also directly on the equinox on the release date of the movie. This is far too precisely occultic to be coincidental, and the producers of the movie no doubt consulted upper-level witches regarding the perfect day to have the “Chronicles of Narnia” open. Thinking back, a friend of mine did something relatively similar at school once. Because we we so consistently told that "x doesn't mean x, it's secretly an allegory for y, isn't it obvious?" my friend typed up something nonsensical and then pretended it was homework from the teacher to write a paragraph about it's allegorical meaning. 20 minutes later of me and a few others scratching our heads after coming up with about 30 different interpretations, he gave in and told us. I'm guessing this is similar. Student gets fed up with teacher (or maybe priest in this case) talking about the religious allegories of Narnia, so writes a contrasting opinion for the fun of it to show how unprovable allegories really are. Edited February 6, 2016 by The Young Bard 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 I'm assuming this has to be satire. I fail to comprehend a person who actually believes this. For example: Thinking back, a friend of mine did something relatively similar at school once. Because we we so consistently told that "x doesn't mean x, it's secretly an allegory for y, isn't it obvious?" my friend typed up something nonsensical and then pretended it was homework from the teacher to write a paragraph about it's allegorical meaning. 20 minutes later of me and a few others scratching our heads after coming up with about 30 different interpretations, he gave in and told us. I'm guessing this is similar. Student gets fed up with teacher (or maybe priest in this case) talking about the religious allegories of Narnia, so writes a contrasting opinion for the fun of it to show how unprovable allegories really are. It's entirely possible….but I was raised in an environment where similar arguments were made—in all seriousness—against Harry Potter. My parents listened to radio shows where hosts and guests would take the line from Philosopher's Stone—"There is no good or evil; there is only power, and those too weak to seek it"—ignore the fact that it was spoken by a villain, and present it as the theme of the whole book. Even the more nuanced reviews of the books were sure to tack on a line about how "the magic seems harmless, but it's really the kind that leads to spiritual death." So while I want to believe this article is satire, I'm having a tough time dismissing the notion that it's serious.
Young Bard he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) The Atheist: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Christian." The Christian: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Paganist." The Pagan: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too... Atheist?" EDIT: I have no idea where I was going with that. Edited February 6, 2016 by The Young Bard 3
Kobold King he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 The Atheist: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Christian." The Christian: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Paganist." The Pagan: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too... Atheist?" EDIT: I have no idea where I was going with that. It's like Rock, Paper, Scissors, but with judgmental morons. 3
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 The Atheist: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Christian." The Christian: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too Paganist." The Pagan: "I don't want to read Narnia. It's too... Atheist?" EDIT: I have no idea where I was going with that. The Sharder: "Shut up, I'm reading." 5
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