Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[STINK he/him]

Mash, I did say I'd be willing to play 20 questions.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I've got a question, Stink.

 

Are you Spiked?

[Mashadar Mistborn he/him]

Will you answer our questions honestly?

[STINK he/him]

1. No

2. My answers will be honest.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Well then I guess Stink is a proven Villager! We can all go home. Great work guys.

[STINK he/him]

It really is that simple!

[Metacognition he/him]

I've seen comments like this before. They always make my wary. I can see why someone would make a joke like this, but I still can't fathom why someone thinks it's a good idea. Perhaps it's just because I'm a bit of a stickler for seriousness. If I weren't maybe I could forget about it, but no matter how hard I try and I can't help but read this as "I'm evil but trying really hard to make you think I'm not." I'm sorry, but I'm just not a fan, and would like comments like this to stop being a thing. 

 

I was going to send you a PM on this rather than state it here, but I think this is a good time to remind everyone of this. 

 

First of all, everyone plays these games a little differently. There is no right or wrong way to play these games. So no one has the right to say that the way that someone plays is wrong or to ask them to play in any way other than how they want to play. That's part of being respectful of other people. Please don't try to get people to conform to only a specific play style. Part of what makes the games so much fun is the fact that we have all different kinds of people here. If everyone played the same way, then it wouldn't be any fun

 

Which brings me to the other thing, and it's probably the more important in my opinion, is that these games are supposed to be fun! If you're not having fun with these games, then it might be time to take a break because it's at times like that that things get said and feelings get hurt. People should be having fun, making jokes, RPing, just basically doing things that they enjoy! If you enjoy the more analytical things in the game, then you should be focusing on that! But not at the expense of other people's fun. 

 

I've got a question, Stink.

 

Are you Spiked?

 

Isn't this and the above (joking around like this) kind of hypocritical? You honestly couldn't think that you'd get a serious answer one way or another with this, right?

 

I'm not meaning to attack you here, Ada. This is meant for everyone. You just happen to have a perfect example of what I'm talking about readily available, so thanks? in a way?

[STINK he/him]

#rekt

[Amanuensis he/him]

I've seen comments like this before. They always make my wary. I can see why someone would make a joke like this, but I still can't fathom why someone thinks it's a good idea. Perhaps it's just because I'm a bit of a stickler for seriousness. If I weren't maybe I could forget about it, but no matter how hard I try and I can't help but read this as "I'm evil but trying really hard to make you think I'm not." I'm sorry, but I'm just not a fan, and would like comments like this to stop being a thing. I wouldn't read into it, honestly, if it were the only thing blue in this post; but the entire post was in blue, so I'm just going to analyze it all as game relevant.

 

I was going to send you a PM on this rather than state it here, but I think this is a good time to remind everyone of this. 

 

First of all, everyone plays these games a little differently. There is no right or wrong way to play these games. So no one has the right to say that the way that someone plays is wrong or to ask them to play in any way other than how they want to play. That's part of being respectful of other people. Please don't try to get people to conform to only a specific play style. Part of what makes the games so much fun is the fact that we have all different kinds of people here. If everyone played the same way, then it wouldn't be any fun

 

Which brings me to the other thing, and it's probably the more important in my opinion, is that these games are supposed to be fun! If you're not having fun with these games, then it might be time to take a break because it's at times like that that things get said and feelings get hurt. People should be having fun, making jokes, RPing, just basically doing things that they enjoy! If you enjoy the more analytical things in the game, then you should be focusing on that! But not at the expense of other people's fun. 

 

I understand exactly where you're coming from, but want to ensure you that was not my intent. I used statements like "I can see why someone would" and "perhaps it's just because I'm a bit of a stickler" to infer that I'm uncertain if it's actually relevant and am actively trying to resist my first response to it, which is to question it as over the top. Also, I said "I would like" at the end there specifically so people could see I'm not forcing anything onto them, but provide them my perspective so they can look at something they might have not thought as suspicious and say "oh, I can understand why that might come off as odd."

 

I've got a question, Stink.

 

Are you Spiked?

 

Isn't this and the above (joking around like this) kind of hypocritical? You honestly couldn't think that you'd get a serious answer one way or another with this, right?

 

I guess I don't see it as hypocritical due to the context of the situation? I wasn't trying to say that making comments meant to be amusing is a problem, just that in some circumstances they do have a legitimate impacts on post analysis, and thought it was a worth while point to bring up. My ultimate conclusion about Hero was that he was innocent, just said some things that triggered gut feels for me in the beginning that made me wonder about his intent. As for the question for Stink, specifically. I mean, he kinda set himself up for that. And in asking the only way that it could be considered overcompensation (in my opinion) is if Stink and I were both Spiked together. Also, I did expect him to answer seriously, because I also don't believe he is Spiked, and given the last LG and MR, two evil players intentionally out themselves, so if he did I wouldn't necessarily be surprised.

 

But yeah, to clarify, I don't think there is anything wrong with making jokes. I just think it's important to be aware of the consequences, and some of my pet peeves in regards to particular forms. It's good knowledge for anyone to have in the future if they end up evil and myself good. If they almost make a similar joke, they can remember this situation and be like, "oh, right, comments like this draw Adavantos' attention to me, which will eventually end with him analyzing my posts; better off to just avoid that."

 

I'm not meaning to attack you here, Ada. This is meant for everyone. You just happen to have a perfect example of what I'm talking about readily available, so thanks? in a way?

 

No worries, brother. I'm always happy to help. Comments like these are very humbling and help promote healthy growth for our community.

 

 

EDIT: Also, sorry Ripple. Besides your levels of activity being in that gray area of where I find it hard to trust anybody from it and your sudden vote on Hellscythe, I don't have enough reason right now to condone your death. However, I really don't like Hellscythe or Haelbarde as options to lynch, either. Though the former has done a lot more attention grabbing things it's nothing new for him, and the latter seems somewhat trustworthy other than his senseless defense of me, which makes me equally as wary of him as any player who tries to implicate me without directly confronting me. Will think about an alternate candidate to present other than those two, yourself and Stink, but I may just leave things alone to see what the emotional allomancers do.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Adavantos

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Okay, cool. Some good advice for the village Coinshots. But wait. Use our extra kills to enact the contribution crusade? All that really does is help the Spiked out. Lurkers I can understand killing. If someone is seen watching but not posting, that is fishy. But being off site for days or weeks, not so much. Even then, why care if they are? If they're Spiked and not coming on to put in orders that's good for us. They can't sway the lynch and they can't use their powers to help their team. And if it gets to the point where clearly the Spiked are inactive (lack of kills, for example) then we can begin specifically looking at whoever was not online during the current turn. 

 

I still don't agree with Coinshots killing inactives for the aforementioned stated reasoning. Barring actual suspicious players, lurkers are the ones who need to be focused on by village kill roles. Not players who's lives are too busy to get online at all. It really isn't that hard to find out the last time a player was online. Just a matter of going to their profile. Chances are if they were online during that turn but didn't at least post to explain their absence then they're lurking, potentially putting in orders to divide us while not getting involved. .

 

Can't say I haven't done things like this as a villager. Heavily implied, and even blatantly leaked out, that I was a Voidbringer in LG15b when I was actually Uninvested just so the Traitors wouldn't kill me. That being said, this claim had an opposite affect and he called it back, so it isn't nearly as effective but, he's right. People reacted. There's some things that can be learned from it.

The part about the Contribution Crusade that I, personally, like is trying to counteract the current metagame which you cover. As it stands, anyone can sign up for these games and then just not post or PM regarding the game for as long as they like, because, as you say, we aren't likely to kill them as they're not doing anything. I don't like that meta, not one bit. I understand that RL gets in the way, but rarely does it do so unexpectedly, and even then, a simple post to explain why you'll be absent is much more helpful than those who never explain. It does us no good to have villagers or eliminators who just sign up and don't play because if they don't, they'll survive longer. That's what I want to get rid of and is why I don't mind going after inactives if there aren't better choices or if I have a kill role(which has still never happened). So, Coinshots, I'm perfectly fine with you killing those who signed up and haven't posted yet. It's been almost 6 days since this game started and if you haven't posted once, I don't see why we should keep you alive. 

 

I've done that many, many times. Most notable LG14, where I was neutral yet claimed a multitude of roles. It's extremely beneficial to information gathering and can benefit the evil team just as much as the good team.

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I would like to apologize for not being particularly involved as of yet.  Part of it is that I really haven't played much of this sort of game I just don't have instincts and strategies that would help me out here.  (It really doesn't help that my only other real experience was as one of the Spiked, you get a skewed view of the game when you know 100% who to trust and are getting advice from your team).  As a result I've kind of fallen into my natural inclination to step back and observe (I was always that weird kid that had more fun watching my friends play video games more than playing them myself.  Because my friends were usually way better at them)  I'm also incredibly paranoid about making a mistake (If I vote for someone how can I be sure that they aren't a villager, and if I try to ally with someone either here in the thread or through PM, how can I be sure they aren't Spiked and so become an unwitting tool working for them).

 

All of which has resulted in be effectively being an Inactive, which will surely work against me as time goes on, but I will try to be better about this going forward.

[Mark IV he/him]

Could I call for a vote tally? If it isn't too much trouble?

[STINK he/him]

You gotta put in the right number

[Hellscythe he/him]

Vote Tally

Ripple(3): Orlok, Mailliw, Hellscythe

Hael(2): Venture, Mark IV

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm, Ripple

Stink(2): Hael, Mashadar

Adavantos(1.5): Alvron, Metacognition

 

I think the only thing that's changed is my vote and Meta's now since the last Tally by Haelbarde.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Alvron]

 

Vote Tally

Ripple(3): Orlok, Ada, Mailliw

Hael(3): Venture, Mark IV, Hellscythe

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm, Ripple

Stink(2): Hael, Mashadar

Adavantos(1.5): Alvron, Metacognition

 

I think the only thing that's changed is my vote and Meta's now since the last Tally by Hael. Isn't it Ripple?

 

Ada also removed his vote on Ripple in an edit 6 posts up. Also, Meta voted?  When was this?

[Mark IV he/him]

Well, now that I've awoken from a fesh sleep, I wish to side with hael's reasoning. I know, I seem a bit too jumpy, but Stink has been non-committal up til now, and that semi quite suspicious. So, Haelbarde STINK

Sorry for any typos. In a rush.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Mark IV

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Tally

Ripple(4): Orlok, Ada, Mailliw, Hellscythe

Hael(2): Venture, Mark IV

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm, Ripple

Stink(2): Hael, Mashadar

Adavantos(1.5): Alvron, Metacognition

I think the only thing that's changed is my vote and Meta's now since the last Tally by Haelbarde.

You missed Ada's retraction on Ripple.

Edit: Ninja'd...

Edited January 1, 2016 by Haelbarde

[Amanuensis he/him]

Adavantos. 12 out of 27 votes is not a terrible turn out, I think. Could be better, but.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Stink, I have a question. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Ripple.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I want to say that Stink has gone to bed and will be unable to defend himself, Mail, though there's a chance he'll just show up again in fifteen minutes like he usually does whenever he tells me he needs sleep.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Ok so here's the updated Vote Tally. I think I got it right this time.

 

Vote Tally

Ripple(1): Orlok,

Hael(1): Venture

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm, Ripple

Stink(5): Hael, Mashadar, Mailliw, Hellscythe, Mark IV

Adavantos(2.5): Alvron, Adavantos, Metacognition

 

Well if we're not lynching Ripple or Hael anymore, between me and Stink, I'd rather have a chance at lynching a Spiked than die knowing we mislynched. Which is why I don't understand why people vote for themselves like Kas did earlier. If you KNOW you're a villager why would you vote for yourself? It's asking for a mislynch.  And me voting for anyone but Stink right now would essentially be voting for myself.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Metacognition he/him]

Please stop counting me as voting for Ada, Hellscythe. I did that here because he's not the only one I was talking to, not because I wanted to go after him publicly. His was just an example of an ongoing trend that we Mods noticed and thus why it was addressed publicly rather than just going to him in a PM. I don't have anything against him so I don't like your implication there. I know you're doing it in jest, but I have and will continue to be as impartial of a GM as possible and I bear no ill will towards any of our players. Thanks.

[Mark IV he/him]

Woah! Is that a band wagon? Is that Stink in front of it? Wow!

[Sart he/him]

Okay. I'm browsing on mobile right now since I broke my laptop screen. ): Since it's out of warranty, it will cost more to repair it than to just buy a new one. Unfortunately, this means that I don't have an easy way to post here until I get a new one. I'll try to be active as much as possible, but don't expect too much from me.

Anyway, Stink is currently up for the lynch. His playstyle always makes me suspect him, but it's usually a false positive. I'm going to put a vote on [text color=red]Hellscythe[\text color]. His vote on Jain was very strange, and I haven't seen a good explanation for it.

[Mark IV he/him]

Just delete this. Mistakes were made.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Mark IV