Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[STINK he/him]

Vote tally?

[Haelbarde he/him]

...Actually, yeah >>. But I'd like a little more clarification on the why of the vote.

 

Is Stink one of your main suspicions then? Or are you just voting for him because I didn't remove my vote from you, and it's an easy place to put your vote? If he's not, who are your main suspicions? And if he is, why? Just because he's doing the same as you, and has avoided making voting choices? (I do note that his response was to correct your usage of affect/effect which, while important, is not an actual response to your comments about him).

Well, truth be told, the person I'm most suspicious of is you. My brain is screaming out 'Beware! Spiked!' But I don't really know why. So it's also not the most rational suspicion.  Part of it probably has to do with this cycles tineye messages. You claimed the second message as yours here, even though it matches the style of the second message of Day 1, with you claiming the first message as your own. However, the first message of this cycle also seems similar to the first message of the first cycle. It seems odd that the two tineyes have seemingly swapped style... Can you confirm that you are claiming the second message this cycle as your own? If so, could I request that you share the password? Because it doesn't seem immediately obvious to me, and no one else has said they've decrypted it.

 

However, I'm also loathe to lynch a tineye on a semi-irrational suspicion. So, we come to Stink. He's in that spot where he's sorta just cruising, active, so not closely inspected like an inactive might, but neither is he doing anything to really help us out. I might not be doing much better, but that's not a reason to not be suspicious of him. So it's more the type of contribution. I feel like I've tried to supply information when I can, help out with reference stuff. I'm not seeing much of that from Stink.

 

Edit: I also felt like throwing a vote back on you wasn't exactly going to help my case.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Haelbarde

[STINK he/him]

Alright, wanna play 20 questions?

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Tally

Orlok(1): Hellscythe

Ripple(1): Orlok

Hael(2): Wyrm, Venture

Adavantos(1): Alv

Stink(1): Hael

Shallan(1): Mailliw

Hellscythe(1): Hero

 

Let me know if I've made any mistakes.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Okay, thank you Haelbarde. I don't care if you vote for me, just as long as it's a vote that makes a statement about your suspicions and where you fall on various players. The 'easy' vote is not one we want to encourage, as we get the most information from seeing the choices the Eliminators make. And as has been said before, it's also not a good idea for poke votes (or any votes) to be removed just by a quick response to them, as this makes them meaningless. Hence why I wanted to press you on this.

 

I am now going to put my vote on Hellscythe, for the time being. But considering I am out this afternoon/evening, it is unlikely to change.

 

With regards to the Tineye messages swapping, yeah, that was an unintended but hilarious coincidence. I am still claiming the second one as mine, and the password really is obvious. Mailliw's figured it out. If you want a clue, then my message on the first day should give you a hint. Though to be honest, the time when my message could help is past, now.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Well, my brain is currently shifting down into mild paranoia mode, rather than in overdrive, so I'll keep my vote on Stink. And thank you for helping get my act together.

 

And for the help with message. Now to work out N1's... 

Edited December 31, 2015 by Haelbarde

[Mark IV he/him]

Well, I feel inclined to put my vote on Haelbarde. But, that's just because I'm convinced of Hellscythe’s innocence. So, I wish to introduce a tie in today's lynch.

If anyone is suspicious, let me explain. (I'm bad at expressing myself on forums)

So far, to me at least, Hellscythe's actions seem to be encouraging discussion in the village. The PM group that he started last turn, the fact that he volunteered to be scanned, and his efforts to start discussion earlier today all lead me to believe that he's innocent. I might just be falling prey to a trap that has been sprung, but I still believe my guts.

So, I shall try to prevent Hellscythe’s death until it is no longer required.

EDIT: Forgot to add that I'm not suspicious of you Haelbarde, but I picked you by chance. Could've been anyone else.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Mark IV

[Curious Anamaximder he/him]

Wouldn't an aluminium (or aluminum) platter be a better choice? 

 

Day 1, I was most suspicious of yourself, Wyrm, and Kas. And I didn't wish to lynch either of you - your tineye claim seems to be more than likely true, and I have no interest in killing off a tineye unless I absolutely had to. And for Kas' sake, I'd rather he at least make it to cycle 3.  So my biggest suspicions weren't valid targets, so I treated it how I'd treat any day 1 turn - encourage as many people as possible to report in. When it approached the end of the cycle, I was going to throw a vote on Jain, but once Hellscythe put a vote on him, yes I was conscious of bandwagonning, but also, I wanted to see if rioters/soothers would do anything. A one vote lead allowed them to do something with that. 

 

I've since decided that I reckon Kas is probably village, and I still believe you're a tineye... Still working on who I think's being suspicious of.

From this cycle, we've just had Ada, but I've willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would just hope that he and his seeker can find us a Spiked promptly.  But I'm not inclined to lynch him and do the Spiked's work for them if they decide they want him dead.

Do we know any Seekers?

[RippleGylf she/her]

Now that I actually have suspicions, Hellscythe. The several "Oh look I'm a villager" tactics strike me as odd. Not to mention his post below just baffles me.

 

"Well in that case I'm a Rioter too. Come at me Spiked. I'm totally not a Lurcher protecting myself right now. And I'm totally not in contact with a mistborn who got an awesome role this cycle."

 

(Apologies for the messed up quote.) Are you role-claiming or not?

[STINK he/him]

No trust group is as good as The Trusted Trinity! If they get a fourth, I think they should be renamed to the Quentissental Quartet!

[Mark IV he/him]

Who are the trusted trinity?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Who are the trusted trinity?

 

The Seeker, the player they scanned N1 that I have yet to reveal, and myself. 

[STINK he/him]

Don't forget the Spiked!

Suspicions are Mark and HS

Edited December 31, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Amanuensis he/him]

For the record, Hellscythe's eccentric reaction of killing a Spiked - posted exactly two minutes after the write up was posted - followed by him posting again three minutes after that implying he thought it was Jain and not Lopen he killed seems far too quick / natural for me to not think he is innocent. As such, I am considerably more suspicious of Herowannabe, Wyrmhero and RippleGylf for voting for him. Seems like the Spiked might be trying to take advantage of Hellscythe's hectic play style to sway the lynch in their favor to me, just like I did in MR10. For that reason I think I’m going to vote for… Ripple. I’m about equally suspicious of her and Herowannabe but since this is the latter’s first game in a long time I’ll give him some leniency for now. That being said, this is temporary until I finish compiling and analyzing each player’s post.

 

 

EDITED TO RETRACT VOTE

Edited January 1, 2016 by Adavantos

[RippleGylf she/her]

Would you please explain why you find me suspicious, Ada?

[STINK he/him]

It's cause you didn't write out his full name, and only evil people say Ada, from being in a doc with him.

[Hellscythe he/him]

 

Now that I actually have suspicions, Hellscythe. The several "Oh look I'm a villager" tactics strike me as odd. Not to mention his post below just baffles me.

 

"Well in that case I'm a Rioter too. Come at me Spiked. I'm totally not a Lurcher protecting myself right now. And I'm totally not in contact with a mistborn who got an awesome role this cycle."

 

(Apologies for the messed up quote.) Are you role-claiming or not?

 

I didn't role claim. I just wanted to make life for the Spiked as difficult as possible while I'm still here. And if that means attracting the Diagrammist Spiked Kill for a 2nd game in a row I'm ok with that. Too bad I can't explore this time. Or can I

 

Okay, thank you Haelbarde. I don't care if you vote for me, just as long as it's a vote that makes a statement about your suspicions and where you fall on various players. The 'easy' vote is not one we want to encourage, as we get the most information from seeing the choices the Eliminators make. And as has been said before, it's also not a good idea for poke votes (or any votes) to be removed just by a quick response to them, as this makes them meaningless. Hence why I wanted to press you on this.

 

I am now going to put my vote on Hellscythe, for the time being. But considering I am out this afternoon/evening, it is unlikely to change.

 

With regards to the Tineye messages swapping, yeah, that was an unintended but hilarious coincidence. I am still claiming the second one as mine, and the password really is obvious. Mailliw's figured it out. If you want a clue, then my message on the first day should give you a hint. Though to be honest, the time when my message could help is past, now.

I won't really question your vote because

1) I think you're bad. The only reason I haven't gone full Kipper on you is you're the one role (if you are what you say you are) on the Spiked team that benefits us. I'm starting to think not killing you is a bad idea considering you have people agreeing with your ideas.

2) You didn't really put reasons for voting for me......

 

 

Also Haelbarde! What the heck man!?!?!?!?! Me and you JUST agreed in PM's that Stink was the most likely candidate to be the 2nd Tineye! And now you just want to lynch him? What's up with that?

 

Lastly, 2nd Tineye I'd ask you to grow some balls and come vote for me since you think I made up those PM's with Lopen, but I'd rather have you stay hidden considering if Wyrm is Spiked you're probably Village. Although now that I think about it 2 Spiked Tineye sounds like something doable. That way we'd only lose PM's if we started killing Spiked. Oh well. Another theory for another time.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Hellscythe

[STINK he/him]

Yeah, what the heck?

[Hellscythe he/him]

Seeing as I have 3 votes on me and they're probably not going away considering most of them stated they wouldn't be back before the cycle ends and it's still possible for the Spiked to have Rioters I'll post my list so that even if I die you guys won't be without information.

 

 

Village

11. Venture Mistborn - Alexander Venture (Mute Beggar)

12. Mark IV - Unknown (Amnesiac)

14. Hellscythe - Hellscythe (Madman who thinks he's a ghost)

15. Adavantos - Gidomara Grae (Professional Procrastinator)

16. Araris Valerian - Aralis (Skeptical Elderly Grump)

1. Mailliw73 - Maill (The Cobbler)

7. Kasimir - Kassien Estvaril (Apothecary)

Inactives (no read)

8. Bort - Bartholomew the Blind (Knight Awkward)

13. WeiryWriter - Riew (Skaa Courier)

17. Phattemer - Exisa (Small and Paranoid)

19. Creccio - Inor Haze (Mortician/Taxidermist)

20. Shallan - Citona Vinid (Bellringer)

22. Lightsworn Panda - Jain (Panda, of course)

Dunno (could go either way)

5. Herowannabe - Herwynbe (Terris Steward) - leaning good(now bad) (then good) (then bad)

23. Sart - Slart (Quiet Hunter) - leaning bad

25. Elkanah - Kane (Florist)

27. Luckat - Lu (Town Busybody)

21. Alvron - Vron (Alchemist and all around resurrected guy)

4. IrulelikeSTINK - STINK (Glitched AI in the Shape of a Horse) (inactive d2)

10. Ripplegylf - Clara Lepinceau (Former Noblewoman)

Evil (red is worse)

26. Elbereth - El (Illusionist)

2. Haelbarde - Edrab Leah (Author)

6. OrlokTsubodai - Locke Tekiel (Estranged Son of a Noble House)

9. Wyrmhero - The Surprisingly Mediocre Amazing Wyrm (Traveling Magician)

18. Madashar Mistborn - Kilven (Blacksmith)

 

Well now that I think about it I know the reason for most OMGUS'. It's because if you're know they're wrong about you, you know they have a higher chance of being a Spiked. Because while a Villager can attack another Villager, a Spiked has a higher chance of attacking a Villager than a Villager since they typically don't attack Spiked. Which is why my suspicion of Ripple has raised.

 

Edit: Anyone know why Kasimir fell off the face of Day2/Night2?

Edited December 31, 2015 by Hellscythe

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I'll confirm that the second message this time around is Wyrm's and that its helpfulness has passed. The password's a lot easier this time than last cycle's.

Shallan. If the votes are going to come down to two or three of the most active players, I'll pick a side. Ripple. I'm also mostly convinced of Hellscythe being a Villager. Hael, I trust more than some, but not as much as others. He's in a pretty middling place. So I'd rather go for someone I'm actually suspicious of. Sorry, Ripple.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sorry for posting this one late. Been a busy past two days. About to begin working on my analysis of all of Hero and Ripple's posts. May retract my vote in favor of Hero or another player entirely after that.

 

AG2 Night Two Post Summaries, Quick Links and Analysis

Key:  Black = Player Summary, Blue = GM Summary, Purple = Personal Comments

1. Hellscythe: Expressions of excitement (ecstatic or exaggerated?) for taking part in the death of a Spiked exactly two minutes after write-up is posted.

2. Haelbarde: Quicklinks and Player List. Expresses surprise over results and asks what happened.

3. Hellscythe: Three minutes after previous post he realizes that Lopen died instead of Jain and points out something peculiar occurred with the votes.

4. Mailliw: Congratulates the Rioter (but seems somewhat disappointed?)

5. Mark IV: Excited about the death of a Spiked. Points out a lot of emotional allomancy was involved and that for that reason he supports the use of copperclouds while asking if he can be targeted by a Smoker tonight. Asks if anyone was suspicious of Lopen because if so then they are likely the Rioter. RP +1.

6. Haelbarde: Says that besides a Rioter moving Hellscythe’s vote and someone soothing Stink everything else looks alright.

7. Hellscythe: Suggests Rioter is confirmed good and Venture soft confirmed for voting for Lopen.

8. Mark IV: Asks if Haelbarde retracted his vote because he thought he put one on Jain.

9. luckat: Posts vote tally from before the write up and after, pointing out the same changes highlight by Hael and adding in that Araris’ vote appears to be soothed as well.

10. Haelbarde: Explains that he considered voting for Jain until Hellscythe did, and informs Mark that the last person he put on was Bort and that it remained there.

11. Hellscythe: Quotes Lopen’s only post and votes for Araris due to a vote he made against Hellscythe last cycle for defending Lopen’s innocence (trying to deflect suspicion off of him?)

12. Metacognition: Explains that a Rioter can change a vote to a no vote but that they can not change a no vote to a vote.

13. Mark IV: Informs Hellscythe that his vote one count since this is a night turn.

14. Hellscythe: Thanks Mark and informs us to count it as a vote for a Mistborn (I presume he meant Coinshot) or a Seeker scan.

15. Mark IV: “Sure thing Hellscythe!”

16. Hellscythe: Determines that Araris is likely the Rioter because it doesn’t tactically make sense for his vote to have been Soothed.

17. Araris: RP +1 calling Hellscythe out for defending Lopen and then trying to turn it back on him.

18. luckat: More dialogue about emotional allomancy directed at the GM.

19. Panda: Apologizes for inactivity and that they will try to get on soon. Current theory is Jain is Spiked and that the Rioter who changed Hellscythe’s vote to Lopen was her teammate trying to instigate a tie, not anticipating the Soother’s interference. For why they would choose another Spiked, perhaps so that we might dismiss him later on as innocent due to the possibility of a Spiked Rioter putting his life at risk. A bit of a stretch, but personally I fail to understand why two emotional allomancers would get involved in the player up for the lynch without having possessing more information that ordinary. Could have been a test to see if Hellscythe or Stink were affected by a Coppercloud but even then, I’m uncertain.

20. Elbereth: Explains that she will likely be absent for the next couple days. RP +1.

21. Mark IV: Asks a question about Elby’s RP.

22. Wyrmhero: Uses this result as an argument in favor of day one lynches, but then points out how odd the situation is. Also questions why people are openly trying to figure out the identity of the Rioter. Due to Lopen’s only post being a defense for Wyrm, he is now going to look closer at the players who advocated keeping him alive, as he suspects they would intentionally distance themselves from the idea of lynching a Tin Eye because they want PMs to end but don’t want people to think they want that, including luckat, Hero and Orlok.

23. Kasimir: Lengthy post, trying to include himself on the list of people advocating Wyrm being kept alive and addressing several questions and comments directed at him from the last cycle.

24. Wyrmhero: Accuses Kasimir of being insane. Points out that either he’s a villager who thinks PMs are more important than his own life or a Spiked who knew he could be saved from a lynch.

25. Kasimir: Responds to Wyrm’s comments regarding a previous statement of his involving information. Talks down his role in the greater scheme of the game compared to Wyrm’s and makes some l33t chess analogy.

26. Mark IV: Asks the GM how will we know if all the Tin Eye are dead and if a Mistborn roles Tin for a cycle if they’re both dead.

27. RippleGylf: Is surprised by lynching an eliminator day one. Indirectly congratulates the emotional allomancers.

28. STINK: “I don’t feel anything about that result.”

29. Adavantos: Votes for Haelbarde due to his poke vote on Lopen as soon as the last turn began, believing it was an attempt for him to get his teammate involved. Asks Kas who informed him for a third, non-burning Smoker.

30. STINK: Points out to Adavantos that his last post was a joke about being soothed.

31. Mark IV: Posts encrypted message and says he will reveal code later.

32. Kasimir: Informs Adavantos both Hellscythe and STINK claimed being in contact with a non-burning Smoker.

33. Adavantos: Asks Hellscythe where he heard about his non-burnign Smoker.

34. Weiry: RP +1 about not expecting the results of the lynch.

35. Mashadar: Expresses joy of killing the Spiked’s protective role, and suggests we use the Coinshot/Mistborn to kill another target tonight, to be decided on via votes.

36. Hellscythe: Informs Kasimir that Stink and he are in contact with two completely different smokers and suggests that Stink’s is the evil one, but points out the possibility of multiple evil Smokers. Asks Coinshots to go after inactives and presents a list of who he considers inactive.

37. Adavantos: Day One Post Summaries, Quick Links & Analysis.

38. Mailliw: Suggests Hellscythe take Ripple, STINK and Weiry of his inactive list.

39. Weiry: Responds to Hellscythe’s previous post, saying he thinks going after players who are not present is odd. Also thinks that as a collective we should come up with a definition of inactive, as some people may be deliberate in their lack of contribution and others may be genuinely AFK.

40. Metacognition: Answers Mark’s question and confirms there are at least two Tin Eye.

41. Ripple: Responds to Hellscythe’s inactive list, citing that she has already explained why she hasn’t been very contributive to the game so far.

42. Orlok: Also responds to Hellscythe’s inactive list, explaining that he doesn’t want to get too involved too early because he has a tendency to tunnel on certain players that way and it affects his long game poorly. Agrees that Smokers should continue to not use their ability and that either Wyrm or Kasimir get scanned by the Seeker.

43. Hellscythe: Apologizes if he seems like he was trying to attack Weiry, Ripple and Orlok with his inactive list. Explains why he thinks players only posting RP is neutral and a great way for eliminators to hide in plain sight.

44. Adavantos: Asks Hellscythe again why he thought Lopen was innocent enough to defend him last cycle.

45. Hellscythe: Says it would be better to explain if he could show us his PMs and asks if he is allowed to copy and paste them into a post.

46. STINK: “Paraphrase them.”

47. Hellscythe: He paraphrases them.

48. phattmer: Apologizes for inactivity. Says he has nothing to contribute yet but will be on every cycle from now on.

49. STINK: Also disagrees with being on the inactive list.

50. Haelbarde: Responds to Adavantos’ suspicions expressed in post 37.

51. Alvron: Informs the thread that he was contacted by a Lurcher D1 who said they would protect him but kept the information to himself because he suspected they were trying to play him, but with Lopen being outed as the Spiked Lurcher he is willing to be a Seeker’s proxy.

52. Adavantos: Does not like Hellscythe’s reasoning for defending Lopen. Is sated by Hael’s previous post. References a similar situation involving Alvron in LG15b.

53. Haelbarde: Understands why Adavantos is still suspicious of him but asks to not be killed by the Coinshot.

54. STINK: Off topic, not going to acknowledge.

55. Hellscythe: Suggests that just because a Spiked Lurcher is dead it doesn’t mean there isn’t another. Apologizes for defending a Spiked player pure on gut.

56. Alvron: Responds to Hellscythe’s post, claiming that the player is probably telling the truth (I severely doubt it) but has not ruled out all other possibilities.

57. Hael: Points out that by asking to get Seeked it’s possible a Spiked Smoker could cloud him to intentionally mess with the scan.

58. Hellscythe: Is thankful there are more options for a Spiked Smoker to choose from.

59. Adavantos: In defense of what Hael said, asks that all village Smokers do not use their cloud tonight so that if Alvron does not confirm being seeked then they can all be tested with emotional allomancy to make sure that they didn’t lie.

60. Alvron: Points out the possibility of a Smoker who hasn’t claimed at all.

61. Adavantos: Explains that if that were the case we’d gain even more information.

62. Mailliw: Suggests Sart be killed by the coinshot with no explanation.

63. Adavantos: Votes Panda get coinshot due to being suspicious of the amount of emotional allomancy involved in her almost-lynch.

64. Mailliw: Thinks it’s fine if Smokers only cloud themselves, and asks if it’s possible for a Smoker to cloud someone else but not themself.

65. Adavantos: Clarifies Smoker’s power and why it’s important they don’t smoke themselves as it’d make us waste time trying to figure out which one is evil.

66. Mailliw: Points out how important that kind of discussion is.

67. Adavantos: Agrees that discussion is critical but an innocent implicating themselves is counterproductive to us winning. Explains why he thinks it’s best for village Smokers to just not cloud this early in the game, in particular due to the effect it’d have with Seekers from either side.

68. Hellscythe: Points out the development of another IKYK from post 67.

[Mashadar Mistborn he/him]

What did Araris do? I'm only seeing three posts, and one of them isn't worth anything in analysis. Did he have a PM group or something?

As for a vote, Stink. You just have posted a good deal without saying much of value, which, as HS states, seems a very good way to avoid suspicion.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Vote Tally

Orlok(0): Hellscythe{1}

Ripple(3): Orlok, Ada, Mailliw{2}

Hael(3): Wyrm{1}, Venture, Mark IV, Hellscythe{2}

Adavantos(1): Alv

Stink(2): Hael, Marshadar

Shallan(0): Mailliw{1}

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm{2}, Ripple

 

 

Ripple(3): Orlok, Ada, Mailliw

Hael(3): Venture, Mark IV, Hellscythe

Hellscythe(3): Hero, Wyrm, Ripple

Stink(2): Hael, Marshadar

Adavantos(1): Alv

 

As far as I can tell, they are the votes.  Please correct me if I've got any of that wrong.

---

 

Well, I feel inclined to put my vote on Haelbarde. But, that's just because I'm convinced of Hellscythe’s innocence. So, I wish to introduce a tie in today's lynch.

If anyone is suspicious, let me explain. (I'm bad at expressing myself on forums)
So far, to me at least, Hellscythe's actions seem to be encouraging discussion in the village. The PM group that he started last turn, the fact that he volunteered to be scanned, and his efforts to start discussion earlier today all lead me to believe that he's innocent. I might just be falling prey to a trap that has been sprung, but I still believe my guts.

So, I shall try to prevent Hellscythe’s death until it is no longer required.

EDIT: Forgot to add that I'm not suspicious of you Haelbarde, but I picked you by chance. Could've been anyone else.

Well, just saying, the votes are tied up, so your vote on me is now unnecessary to prevent Hellscythes death.

 

Do we know any Seekers?

Ada has claimed to have been contacted by one. For the moment, I'm willing to believe him.

 

Also Haelbarde! What the heck man!?!?!?!?! Me and you JUST agreed in PM's that Stink was the most likely candidate to be the 2nd Tineye! And now you just want to lynch him? What's up with that?

 

Lastly, 2nd Tineye I'd ask you to grow some balls and come vote for me since you think I made up those PM's with Lopen, but I'd rather have you stay hidden considering if Wyrm is Spiked you're probably Village. Although now that I think about it 2 Spiked Tineye sounds like something doable. That way we'd only lose PM's if we started killing Spiked. Oh well. Another theory for another time.

Rather, we established that Stink was who I thought was one of the more likely candidates. You were of the opinion it was not necessarily him, or at least, that's how I understood it. The issue is that Wyrm and Stink are my biggest suspicions at the moment. I'm convinced Wyrm is a tineye. I'm considerably less than sure about Stink. And 2 Spiked Tineyes is a thought I have had. But I felt he needed to be called out. 

[Hellscythe he/him]

Sorry yeah I worded that a little weird. Take out the "Me and" part and that's what I meant. But I'll agree with you Wyrm and Stink are acting suspicious. And to be honest, the longer we wait to take out Wyrm, the greater his value becomes as a Spiked Tineye, because the chance of the other Tineye dying is greater the longer the game goes on. Get tunneled on Wyrm. You Spiky little weirdo.

[Amanuensis he/him]

True Hero? Or just a Wannabe?

A Case by Gidomara Grae

 

 

Posted by Herowannabe on 26 December 15 - 12:11 PM

 

how about we just all agree to not kill each other. What do you say Team Spiked? No? Drat. 

 

I've seen comments like this before. They always make my wary. I can see why someone would make a joke like this, but I still can't fathom why someone thinks it's a good idea. Perhaps it's just because I'm a bit of a stickler for seriousness. If I weren't maybe I could forget about it, but no matter how hard I try and I can't help but read this as "I'm evil but trying really hard to make you think I'm not." I'm sorry, but I'm just not a fan, and would like comments like this to stop being a thing. I wouldn't read into it, honestly, if it were the only thing blue in this post; but the entire post was in blue, so I'm just going to analyze it all as game relevant.

 

Alright it's 3:00am for me right now so I won't be posting much, but let me at least give advice to the two roles I've had before:

 

Advice? Cool! I like advice!

 

Coinshots: if you're on team village don't start killing anyone yet. Taking random potshots in the dark is far more likely to kill a useful villager than to hit a Spiked. You should be waiting until you are certain your target is a spiked before you start shooting. Or if you can't wait that long then start by taking out inactives (Go go Gadget Contribution Crusade!). This will encourage the Spikeds to avoid hiding through inactivity. 

If you're a Coinshot on team Spiked then don't kill anyone. Ever. ;P

 

Emphasis mine.

 

Okay, cool. Some good advice for the village Coinshots. But wait. Use our extra kills to enact the contribution crusade? Sounds exactly like something Agrigar Leiken would do, and that dude is totally a liar and a troll. If there's one thing I've learned recently, inactives exist on both sides of the spectrum, and usually the majority is on the village's side (because, you know, there's more of them total?). All that really does is help the Spiked out. Lurkers I can understand killing. If someone is seen watching but not posting, that is fishy. But being off site for days or weeks, not so much. Even then, why care if they are? If they're Spiked and not coming on to put in orders that's good for us. They can't sway the lynch and they can't use their powers to help their team. And if it gets to the point where clearly the Spiked are inactive (lack of kills, for example) then we can begin specifically looking at whoever was not online during the current turn. Otherwise we should be focusing on people getting involved in the game, whether that's in thread or PMs, doing things suspicious and getting caught in lies. That's how we gain information. That's how the game continues to progress healthily.

 

As for that last sentence, see my first paragraph. "I'm evil but trying really hard to make you think I'm not."

 

Tineye: have fun with your messages and stay alive! I recommend hiding secret clues in your messages that you can use to verify your role later on if you need to (see my role in LG2 for how I did it- all my Tin messages are explained at the end of the game)

Everybody: to repeat what Kas said before the game: TRUST NOBODY! Don't go around revealing your role, even if you're just a vanilla villager. It almost inevitably ends up in the Eliminator's hands and then they can use that info to pick their victims. Far better to let them take potshots in the dark than to spill your secrets just because the person you're PMing seems trustworthy. 

 

Besides me thinking the Tineye advice is not particularly useful, the rest is. Whether or not Hero turns out to be Spiked, I agree with his point about revealing 100%. I advocated this exact same thing in LG15b. Unfortunately it didn't stop people from spilling their guts to me, but good thing for them I was loyal to the Captain. That being said, if you feel the need to share something, I suggest sharing it with me. I know there are some people out there doubtful of my alignment and whether or not I really have been scanned green, but I assure you, I am, and would appreciate any information you're willing to part with as I'm just as clueless as the next guy right now.

 

 

Posted by Herowannabe on 27 December 15 - 06:23 PM

 

Normally this would be the point in the game where I climb aboard my Contribution Crusade soapbox and begin hollaring at everyone, but with it being Christmas/Boxingday weekend I hardly think that's fair to anyone who hasn't had a chance to get involved with the game yet, so I'm going to hold off on that for now. If the Coinshots want to do as Wyrm suggested and start targeting inactives during the next night cycle, that sounds alright to me. That gives players 4 full days o get on and postsomething before getting branded "Inactive." 

As for suspicions, I have to place my vote for Kasimir for reasons. 

 

I still don't agree with Coinshots killing inactives for the aforementioned stated reasoning. Barring actual suspicious players, lurkers are the ones who need to be focused on by village kill roles. Not players who's lives are too busy to get online at all. It really isn't that hard to find out the last time a player was online. Just a matter of going to their profile. Chances are if they were online during that turn but didn't at least post to explain their absence then they're lurking, potentially putting in orders to divide us while not getting involved. Also, the vote on Kas is suspicious for reasons but I'll wait until the quote where he explains himself later to give you my perspective.

 

 

Posted by Herowannabe on 28 December 15 - 09:21 PM

 

re: The Aggravating Amazing Wyrm: 

 

2 points:

 

Overall a not very suspicious post and not much to analyze beyond his plan of keeping Wyrm alive can go both ways. I don't really disagree with this one, so I can let it go. Though if Wyrm ends up scanning green, I do think this could be another "I'm evil but I'm trying very hard to make you think I'm not" sort of situation, like what Lopen did with his one and only post. Click the link for the full thing.

 

 

Posted by Herowannabe on 29 December 15 - 06:08 AM

 

As I've said in past games, I'm not a fan of poke votes that are labeled "poke vote." Typically the target just needs to respond in order to get the vote pulled, and very little info is gained. I'm also not a fan of votes where you spell out each and every reason why you find the target suspicious, because if the target is an eliminator you're telling them exactly which lies they need to tell to clear the suspicion on them. 

 

While I agree with it's sometimes unwise to let an eliminator know the reasons you're onto them, I generally think it's better to take a less confrontational but more inquisitive route with them. Same goes for innocents. Instead of riling them up, tease out the reason for what they did and anaylze it all logically. More times than not you'll find the objective truth that way.

 

Anyway, in this case, my vote was different from either of those. I singled out Kas because he was one of the vocal players in the game and most of his advice (I disagree with village smokers using their powers this early in the game) was sound advice. I wanted to see how people would react- if people started bandwagoning, if anyone defended Kas, if people attacked me for my lack of stated reasons, etc. All of these help give us clues as to who is and isn't spiked.

 

Okay, I can see and respect that. I do the same thing sometimes (see Day One of LG15 where I made a list of players who I was suspicious of [despite the fact I really wasn't, just wanted to see how they would react and get them involved in the discussion] and all of them responded except for the one that actually was a Traitor). I do believe it's more likely a villager would do something like this, but this also could be just a false defense.

 

And to Hellscythe: no, I'm not a seeker, those I was indeed hinting that I might be. Again, to see how people would react. So Lurchers, don't waste your powers on me. Use them on someone you think is valuable enough to protect (honestly, that should probably be yourself, or maybe Wyrm if you think he deserves it). 

 

Can't say I haven't done things like this as a villager. Heavily implied, and even blatantly leaked out, that I was a Voidbringer in LG15b when I was actually Uninvested just so the Traitors wouldn't kill me. That being said, this claim had an opposite affect and he called it back, so it isn't nearly as effective but, he's right. People reacted. There's some things that can be learned from it.

 

Right now my biggest suspicions are Adavantos, for the same reasons Wyrm said- It's all too elaborate and unnecessary a scheme if you're telling the truth, and Hellscythe. It could just be that I'm not use to your play style, since this is the first game we've played together, but I get the vibe from your posts that you are actively trying to cover up and misdirect the village. And your challenges to the Eliminators and your IKYK game don't convince me. I play on an IKYKIK level.

 

Herowannabe is suspicious of me, which is good. But the fact that he didn't try to compound on Alvron's vote on me and instead propose an alternative target seems a bit fishy to me. I would like more explanation for why he thinks Hellscythe is more likely to be Spiked then myself. I ask because historically, when I'm good, some eliminators will try to make me look bad without confronting me outright. Considering he has not played with Hellscythe before, Hero is soft disqualified from my theory that the eliminators are trying to take advantage of a volatile play style like I did in MR10. However if he's Spiked that wouldn't really rule him out, and actually make him a great initiator of the bandwagon, as they could have informed him of Hellscythe's history.

 

In conclusion, I believe he's just an equally confused villager like myself. While I can see some semblance of means, motive and opportunity I do not think they are solid enough to accuse him as evil yet. That, and I'm pretty confident I figured out his true role, or at least the role that he really wants people to think he has, which can mean all sorts of things. I will compartmentalize this information for later.

 

@Ripple: I will be making a similar post like this for you soon, but will be taking a break as of right now. Big posts like these are rather draining for me. If I don't manage getting to it by the time the cycle ends - which I highly doubt will be the case - and it seems you're going to die because of me, I'll remove my vote in favor of someone else.

Edited December 31, 2015 by Adavantos