Mid-Range Game 10: Divided Loyalties

[Clanky he/him]

In other news, my Scholar has finally gotten in contact with me, and apparently the scan result was that Mace Windu was a Ghostblood Bondsmith. Make of this what you will. Now I really need to sleep.

In light of this it would really be nice to know if anyone has any info on whether or not the bondsmith is alive. I think that keeping in line with the Diagrammists kills they will be changing all of the roles of the deceased that they can to Bondsmith. Just another little way of making sure that we know nothing. We are all John Snow in this game.

[Elbereth she/her]

In other news, my Scholar has finally gotten in contact with me, and apparently the scan result was that Mace Windu was a Ghostblood Bondsmith. Make of this what you will. Now I really need to sleep.

Wait, okay, what? So. First of all, why didn't we get a faction result yesterday, but we get one today? PK, Aonar (when you get back on), what was the faction result from yesterday?

Second, you're missing something kind of important. What was Mace's alignment? Just saying.

With a lack of better suspects, I'll place a vote on Stink for that (non) reasoning.

I'll be back to say more when I can think straight.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Wait, okay, what? So. First of all, why didn't we get a faction result yesterday, but we get one today? PK, Aonar (when you get back on), what was the faction result from yesterday?

Second, you're missing something kind of important. What was Mace's alignment? Just saying.

With a lack of better suspects, I'll place a vote on Stink for that (non) reasoning.

I'll be back to say more when I can think straight.

My understanding is that Diagrammist is the faction that comes up in the scan, since that's the group they actually belong to and have only infiltrated the Sons of Honor or Ghostbloods. Therefore if the scan says Son of Honor or Ghostblood that means they are innocent. Edited December 20, 2015 by Adavantos

[twelfthrootoftwo]

Third, I think that the Cook who poisoned Mail N1 and the Cook who poisoned me N2 are the same and that they are the Diagrammist. To me it makes the most sense, considering that this game we have been very contributed more than the majority of players, which does contradict their kills so far but maybe that's the point. Now, that doesn't mean Mail still can't be a Diagrammist and that the attempt on his life was the actual WGG (which I don't think anyone has brought up yet, which I find odd) but as of right now I'm leaning towards him being innocent.

Can you explain your reasoning for the bit in bold?

 

I doubt a Cook kill would be used as a WGG, for the simple reason that there's no inherent alignment to a Cook kill. We have to infer the existence of a Diagrammist cook, and then correctly identify which poisoning attempt belongs to them, before an assumption that the target is innocent can come out. And that assumption is what the WGG rests on. There seems to be so much haziness with faction/suspicion/inactive poisonings by village cooks to get any decent level of trust from the WGG, in which case they've wasted a kill action. IMO, if the attempt on Maill was a WGG, it was probably to kick off a larger gambit.

The relative value of trust and a kill is subjective, though, so the Diagrammists may well disagree with me.

 

I want to put a vote down, but the lack of information from lynches is making it difficult for me to form any decent suspicions. So I'll poke... Feligon. Also, if any Scholars are in PMs but haven't claimed their role, I ask that you do so. It's a risk to give out your role when it's so important, but we're being strangled without information.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Can you explain your reasoning for the bit in bold?

 

It's really just a feeling. Both Mail and I had gained enough attention in the early stages of the game that it wouldn't be unreasonable for us to receive protection, and by using their Cook kill over their Diagrammist kill that means that we can't use it as an excuse for our innocence if we were to survive the attempt. While we have discussed the possibility of WGGs more often than usual in this game, so far it seems that the general consensus was that there'd be no point in the Diagrammists wasting their kills like that. Of course since that is now the known assumption they might attempt it now, but by making statements like this they know we are aware of the possibility, and now this becomes another I Know You Know talk. Tangent aside, before my poisoning, the only player who expressed enough suspicions of me to vote against me that was alive was Deathclutch (if I recall correctly), so unless he is the Cook who attacked me that means the player never called me out and decided to just get rid of me, which at a first glance seems to benefit a Diagrammist more than a Son of Honor/Ghostblood Cook, especially since at the time I don't think anyone was very certain of my faction.

 

Also, Stink, I too would like to know how you came to that conclusion about Kipper and Aonar. You've made similar offhand comments about PK and I, likely to bait us into responding hastily in order to gain some information, but for all we know you might be right about one of if not all of us and for that reason I think that an explanation would benefit the thread. Unless you're one of the rogue Cooks (which can't be since you claimed Runner) you keeping it to yourself won't really help them get them killed, as you'll need to convince the majority or a Cook to pursue it

Edited December 20, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

I don't remember making any comments about PK?

[Amanuensis he/him]

"inb4 Ada is telling PK what to say in the DG doc."

[STINK he/him]

Well it is a possibility...

[Araris Valerian he/him]

You know, this game isn't really that different from party style Mafia, where you don't learn the identity of people that you kill. Sure, we have the scholars, but that isn't something that we can rely on, as we are seeing. I know that this is pretty hypocritical coming from me right now, but we can't afford to let people be silent during the lynch. We have to go for people, and we have to force the eliminator team to speak up. I'll put a second poke on Feligon so that there is a bit more force behind the first vote, and because honestly I am pretty far behind in this game.

[STINK he/him]

Kipper. Was deciding which of the two to vote on.

[Kynedath]

I'm back guys, and the first thing I noticed was STINK's lack of reasoning. I for one would like to know what it is that he doesn't want to reveal, but makes him 100% sure that those two are evil. I see no gain in a diagrammist doing that. STINK I think that you are trying to draw too much attention to yourself for you to be evil (at this point). 

 

I'll see what I can find with a more extensive search but for now I don't have much.

[Guest]

I'm back guys, and the first thing I noticed was STINK's lack of reasoning. I for one would like to know what it is that he doesn't want to reveal, but makes him 100% sure that those two are evil. I see no gain in a diagrammist doing that. STINK I think that you are trying to draw too much attention to yourself for you to be evil (at this point). 

 

I'll see what I can find with a more extensive search but for now I don't have much.

I don't think he is drawing too much attention to be evil. Adavantos (sorry bro, I was just mad that you made me kill Alvron). Stink.

 

Until I hear reasoning for the vote on me, I'm omgus'ing this.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'm going to start off with a vote on Clanky. While I'm fine with him not liking the lynch targets for last cycle, I don't get his vote on Alvron. The reasoning you gave doesn't work for me. Alv is one of the most competent players in these games, and as is always said, gets more dangerous as the game progresses and he gets more information to work with. Of course, that's what's said about him as a villager, so it may not be the case here, but I think it's worth asking about. Here is the reasoning Clanky gave for his vote on Alv: "Has been very absent throughout the game but comes on in time to put a 3rd vote on Mail with not much reasoning. Before that he only posted a few lines about Mail's list and one post saying he would post more later followed by no posts.

 

My thoughts on that.

First of all, what do you mean by "very absent"? He was fairly active in the first Cycle, and the last Cycle was the 3rd. So that means he was "very absent" for what? 1 Cycle? 2 maybe? If Alv was a big talker in the thread, then sure, I would see that as suspicious, but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't really post that often. You know Alv's playstyle better than me I'd wager, since you've been playing here longer than me, so it surprises me that you would call attention to his quietness like that.

Secondly, his vote on Mail. While I agree his vote didn't have much reasoning to it, what do you expect at this point in the game, with only 1 scan result being revealed in the thread at that point? As has been said before, we have very limited information this game, so to me, basing your vote on something as shaky as a gut read(which is pretty much what Alv based his vote on) makes sense to me at that point in the game.

Next is the part about Alv's post about posting more later. Uh, I don't remember him saying that. I remember him saying "don't expect much from me today," but that is not saying he would post later. From that post to his post voting on Mail, there was about a 3 day gap. 

 

Now, my criticism of your reasoning aside, there is something else bothering me about you proposing Alv as an alternate lynch candidate. Why Alv? As you said, he hasn't posted much, so we wouldn't gain hardly anything from his death and later scan of him(the one thing we learn is that Mail is likely innocent(or at least a villager  ) if Alv is a Diagrammist). So, seeing as how Alv is Alv and could be a huge threat to the eliminators( which I think is especially true in this game, since it seems not too many people are paying very good attention to things, so someone like Alv who might notice things that others would not is a top priority for the eliminators to take out(if he isn't one himself of course)), why not let him stick around for a while and try to get a better read on him before proposing we off him? Actually, why not propose a Contribution Crusade lynch? I think there's enough targets to choose from, and the situation seemed ideal to me. You didn't like the lynch targets(I agree with you there), and there was only a bit left in the Cycle. It may seem a bit harsh to kill someone if they don't even know about the votes on them, but if gone about correctly, could help involve a good many more players, or at least make them give reasons for why they've been inactive. I understand the strategy of asking the Cooks to go after inactives/lurkers, but with the lynch the way it was, asking for a CC lynch makes sense to me. Maybe you don't have the same opinion on that, but it just confuses me that you would go after one of the high profile players with the amount of reasoning you gave. Of course, there's always the fact that you and Alv were on different factions. This goes for Adavantos as well. Not only did you both protect Mail(a SoH teammate) by voting the way you did, but you also got rid of one of the GB's biggest threats to your faction. I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned anything about this. So my question to both of you. Did Alv's faction play a part in your vote on him?

 

Of course, Ripple is on the GB faction, which happens to be my faction as well, so that logic doesn't apply to her. Which, thinking about it, makes me suspicious of her since going after her own teammate based on nothing does not make sense to me. There's also the fact that she didn't comment on either of the other lynch targets while voting for Alv. She has since given reasoning for why she voted, saying that she didn't want to kill Venture and wanted to tie the lynch, which actually has given me a paranoid theory that maybe a teammate of hers advised her to explain her vote before she got called out for it.

 

One more thing before I'm done. Thinking about roles, Ada has voiced suspicions that the Diagrammists have an Elsecaller and a Cook. That seems a bit unlikely to me. I'd say that both of those roles are extremely dangerous for them to have, so to give them both seems overpowered. At the start of the game, I guessed that the Diagrammists would have either a Cook or an Elsecaller, but not both. I'm sure Wilson and Kas could balance it somehow, and it could be the case, but I'm going to reserve judgement about either role being on the eliminator team until I see better confirmation. The Elsecaller messing with the scans is suspicious to me, but I'm not sure that it is a certain thing that they are evil because of that. After all, I did propose that the Elsecaller could try to block an eliminator Elsecaller by just messing with the role and not the faction. I'm not sure if that's the case here though, as it could very well be the eliminators just messing with us by not allowing us to know roles, and thus keeping us in the dark even more.

[Kynedath]

One more thing before I'm done. Thinking about roles, Ada has voiced suspicions that the Diagrammists have an Elsecaller and a Cook. That seems a bit unlikely to me. I'd say that both of those roles are extremely dangerous for them to have, so to give them both seems overpowered. At the start of the game, I guessed that the Diagrammists would have either a Cook or an Elsecaller, but not both. I'm sure Wilson and Kas could balance it somehow, and it could be the case, but I'm going to reserve judgement about either role being on the eliminator team until I see better confirmation. The Elsecaller messing with the scans is suspicious to me, but I'm not sure that it is a certain thing that they are evil because of that. After all, I did propose that the Elsecaller could try to block an eliminator Elsecaller by just messing with the role and not the faction. I'm not sure if that's the case here though, as it could very well be the eliminators just messing with us by not allowing us to know roles, and thus keeping us in the dark even more.

I think Wilson already explained this. I'm not sure how to quote from other threads so I am going to just copy paste it here.

 

"Role-distribution was done purely based on RNG. I let randomness decide everything. Did I always take the first roll? No. There were some things that I rolled multiple times on, because of whatever reason. Point is, everything from who is on the Diagrammist team to what they have and what ranks they have and who holds them was all random. Yes, I had an idea of what I wanted, but I did not handpick a single thing anywhere in the distribution." -Wilson

 

EDIT: If you want to see the actual post, then go see post #400 the original MR10 thread.

Edited December 20, 2015 by Kynedath

[Clanky he/him]

I'm going to start off with a vote on Clanky. While I'm fine with him not liking the lynch targets for last cycle, I don't get his vote on Alvron. The reasoning you gave doesn't work for me. Alv is one of the most competent players in these games, and as is always said, gets more dangerous as the game progresses and he gets more information to work with. Of course, that's what's said about him as a villager, so it may not be the case here, but I think it's worth asking about. Here is the reasoning Clanky gave for his vote on Alv: "Has been very absent throughout the game but comes on in time to put a 3rd vote on Mail with not much reasoning. Before that he only posted a few lines about Mail's list and one post saying he would post more later followed by no posts.

My thoughts on that.

First of all, what do you mean by "very absent"? He was fairly active in the first Cycle, and the last Cycle was the 3rd. So that means he was "very absent" for what? 1 Cycle? 2 maybe? If Alv was a big talker in the thread, then sure, I would see that as suspicious, but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't really post that often. You know Alv's playstyle better than me I'd wager, since you've been playing here longer than me, so it surprises me that you would call attention to his quietness like that.

Secondly, his vote on Mail. While I agree his vote didn't have much reasoning to it, what do you expect at this point in the game, with only 1 scan result being revealed in the thread at that point? As has been said before, we have very limited information this game, so to me, basing your vote on something as shaky as a gut read(which is pretty much what Alv based his vote on) makes sense to me at that point in the game.

Next is the part about Alv's post about posting more later. Uh, I don't remember him saying that. I remember him saying "don't expect much from me today," but that is not saying he would post later. From that post to his post voting on Mail, there was about a 3 day gap.

Now, my criticism of your reasoning aside, there is something else bothering me about you proposing Alv as an alternate lynch candidate. Why Alv? As you said, he hasn't posted much, so we wouldn't gain hardly anything from his death and later scan of him(the one thing we learn is that Mail is likely innocent(or at least a villager ) if Alv is a Diagrammist). So, seeing as how Alv is Alv and could be a huge threat to the eliminators( which I think is especially true in this game, since it seems not too many people are paying very good attention to things, so someone like Alv who might notice things that others would not is a top priority for the eliminators to take out(if he isn't one himself of course)), why not let him stick around for a while and try to get a better read on him before proposing we off him? Actually, why not propose a Contribution Crusade lynch? I think there's enough targets to choose from, and the situation seemed ideal to me. You didn't like the lynch targets(I agree with you there), and there was only a bit left in the Cycle. It may seem a bit harsh to kill someone if they don't even know about the votes on them, but if gone about correctly, could help involve a good many more players, or at least make them give reasons for why they've been inactive. I understand the strategy of asking the Cooks to go after inactives/lurkers, but with the lynch the way it was, asking for a CC lynch makes sense to me. Maybe you don't have the same opinion on that, but it just confuses me that you would go after one of the high profile players with the amount of reasoning you gave. Of course, there's always the fact that you and Alv were on different factions. This goes for Adavantos as well. Not only did you both protect Mail(a SoH teammate) by voting the way you did, but you also got rid of one of the GB's biggest threats to your faction. I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned anything about this. So my question to both of you. Did Alv's faction play a part in your vote on him?

Of course, Ripple is on the GB faction, which happens to be my faction as well, so that logic doesn't apply to her. Which, thinking about it, makes me suspicious of her since going after her own teammate based on nothing does not make sense to me. There's also the fact that she didn't comment on either of the other lynch targets while voting for Alv. She has since given reasoning for why she voted, saying that she didn't want to kill Venture and wanted to tie the lynch, which actually has given me a paranoid theory that maybe a teammate of hers advised her to explain her vote before she got called out for it.

 

 

I suppose absent wasn't the ideal word to use. He just hadn't posted very much, just a few one line posts. The reason for choosing him? Mostly because he showed up at the wrong time I guess. I don't really have much suspicions that so I just went with the most recent person who stuck out. His post struck me as off and there wasn't much time left in the cycle and I didn't like how the vote was going. As for faction I actually didn't even check to see what faction he was until after proposing him.

 

Also I won't be around much more for the rest of this cycle and the beginning of next since I have two exams coming up tomorrow. 

Edited December 21, 2015 by Clanky

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I think Wilson already explained this. I'm not sure how to quote from other threads so I am going to just copy paste it here.

 

"Role-distribution was done purely based on RNG. I let randomness decide everything. Did I always take the first roll? No. There were some things that I rolled multiple times on, because of whatever reason. Point is, everything from who is on the Diagrammist team to what they have and what ranks they have and who holds them was all random. Yes, I had an idea of what I wanted, but I did not handpick a single thing anywhere in the distribution." -Wilson

 

EDIT: If you want to see the actual post, then go see post #400 the original MR10 thread.

 

Good point. Although it still could be said that Wilson would re-roll because it would be overpowered for the eliminator team, but I don't really want to try to guess things like that, so I'll keep that in mind when thinking about roles from now on, thanks.

 

I suppose absent wasn't the ideal word to use. He just hadn't posted very much, just a few one line posts. The reason for choosing him? Mostly because he showed up at the wrong time I guess. I don't really have much suspicions that so I just went with the most recent person who stuck out. His post struck me as off and there wasn't much time left in the cycle and I didn't like how the vote was going. As for faction I actually didn't even check to see what faction he was until after proposing him.

 

Also I won't be around much more for the rest of this cycle and the beginning of next since I have two exams coming up tomorrow. 

 

He hadn't posted much, I'll agree with you there. But the thing that bothers me is that he had just posted something with a little substance. It's just........it was Alvron. While I don't think he should have immunity to early lynches just because of his rep, I don't think it was wise to kill him based off of what you gave. If someone has sufficient evidence against him, such as the case in LG14 with Wilson catching him on around the 3rd Cycle, then by all means, take him out. Not only is he feared by eliminator teams when he's a villager, he's also known as an extremely dangerous eliminator, so taking him out early would be a huge advantage for the villagers. But I don't see much reasoning for his death and that makes me worried that eliminators were involved, which is why I'm looking at the 3 who caused his death.

 

All that aside, we really do need some more discussion. Right now, the current leader in votes are Stink and Feligon. Stink because of his non-reasons for being suspicious of Kipper and Aonar, and Feligon for inactivity/lurking. I agree with the pressure that both of them are getting.

 

Stink, could you elaborate on your suspicions of Kipper and Aonar, please? Is it just a gut vote? You've said there's no proof, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's not a reason you have that opinion of them. Like Ada said in a prior game, even if it is mostly gut, there's usually something about something they have said that started you thinking that way, and votes such as yours just seem like you're not trying to put the effort into exploring why you feel that way towards them, or you are just trying for reactions and aren't actually suspicious of them much.

 

Feligon has not done much this game, and has not given any reasons for why he has been absent   these last few days. He has been online during that time, so it does strike me as odd that he hasn't posted lately. I suggest we use the Cooks for inactivity as has been mentioned before. That doesn't necessarily mean Feligon specifically should die though, as Twei's vote on him was a poke vote to get him to talk, and he's not been online to see that(although it's possible he's viewing the thread as a guest). I'll try to go through the player list and post what I find in terms of who's been inactive. Like I said before, I'm not really aware of any lurking going on as I haven't been constantly watching for anything like that, so if anyone has noticed anyone like that, it would probably be a good idea to call them out on it, if only to ask them to explain a little.

 

Edit: What are we going to do about scanning for this Cycle? Unknown(s) scan Starry, and PK scans Alvron? Or are we gonna do it by faction? We need to be a little more organized about things like this, so that we don't end up with players forgetting to scan anyone, or having double or triple scans on the same player. There's also the fact that the Elsecaller stuff on Sart is gone now, right? So that's another option to scan I suppose. Hopefully PK has submitted his Action already, or gets on again before this Cycle ends.

Edited December 21, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[Seonid he/him]

I'm going to vote for Stink. His unsupported assertions of guilt are ringing red flags in my mind. I'd love to know your reasons. You've claimed to be a runner. If you don't feel comfortable telling your reasons in-thread, contact me in a PM. I'll even be willing to take my vote off as a gesture of good faith until you do. But without those reasons, my vote stays.

[Elkanah he/him]

Edit: What are we going to do about scanning for this Cycle? Unknown(s) scan Starry, and PK scans Alvron? Or are we gonna do it by faction? We need to be a little more organized about things like this, so that we don't end up with players forgetting to scan anyone, or having double or triple scans on the same player. There's also the fact that the Elsecaller stuff on Sart is gone now, right? So that's another option to scan I suppose. Hopefully PK has submitted his Action already, or gets on again before this Cycle ends.

I think now that we have contact with two claimed scholars, it might be time to have them scan different targets. Even if one of the two is a diagrammist, we can gather more information from their scans. At the very least, diagrammist elsecaller will have a harder time obscuring the information.

I like the idea of rescanning night one victims, but now having said that they know our target and might therefore go back and change their identities again. We're back in the ikyk cycle. Although, even with Wilson's RNG,I doubt both elsecallers are diagrammists. Therefore, having two targets Will help us outmaneuver the diagrammists.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Feligon you haven't shown up in quite a while. While the Contribution Crusade doesn't always work, this is a time it might. In this game, with such little information, we need all the voices we can get, so if you aren't contributing, you might as well be a Diagrammist.

 

Edit: Creccio

Edited December 21, 2015 by Mailliw73

[Elbereth she/her]

My understanding is that Diagrammist is the faction that comes up in the scan, since that's the group they actually belong to and have only infiltrated the Sons of Honor or Ghostbloods. Therefore if the scan says Son of Honor or Ghostblood that means they are innocent.

Well, I obviously wasn't thinking yesterday. ...That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification!

I doubt a Cook kill would be used as a WGG, for the simple reason that there's no inherent alignment to a Cook kill. We have to infer the existence of a Diagrammist cook, and then correctly identify which poisoning attempt belongs to them, before an assumption that the target is innocent can come out. And that assumption is what the WGG rests on. There seems to be so much haziness with faction/suspicion/inactive poisonings by village cooks to get any decent level of trust from the WGG, in which case they've wasted a kill action. IMO, if the attempt on Maill was a WGG, it was probably to kick off a larger gambit.

The relative value of trust and a kill is subjective, though, so the Diagrammists may well disagree with me.

I agree with your reasoning here as well, so I'll also retract the other part of the post I made last night, in which I was clearly an idiot. The problem lies in correctly identifying the cook kill as a Diagrammist one, which you have pointed out most adeptly. Storm it, I should know better than to post when it's past midnight.

Regarding Stink: I don't even want to know your reasoning. I just want to know if you have reasoning. That would be enough to get me to retract. Although I may not be around again before turnover, so you may not get that chance, sadly.

Regarding the Scholars: We definitely want to target Alvron and Starry, since we haven't gotten any reads on them. We may also want to go back and target someone who has already died, but if a Scholar decides to do so he or she should make that decision without telling anyone else. I'm going to suggest that PK targets Starry and the Scholar in contact with Aonar targets Alvron. The other two (assuming there are four) are free to scan whomever they wish, either to confirm the scan of someone we are in contact with or to go back and scan corpses from previous cycles.

I don't know if everyone will get on within the next 8 hours, though, so we'll see how this plays out. Whatever happens, I'm sure it will be interesting!

...Which is not necessarily a good thing...

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Okay, here's a list of inactives. This is just those who haven't participated at all lately.

 

1. Shallan- Last posted in thread over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Habitually quiet in the early game except when she's a loyal seeker.  (LG15 reference)

2. Feligon- Last posted in thread over 3 days ago. Has been online within the last few hours actually, but hasn't responded to the votes. I may move my vote here, but frankly, if we do kill him, I think a Cook should do it, which would free up the lynch. It's too bad since he's on my faction, but he is one of the most suspicious inactives to me.

3. Honey Badger- Last posted over 2 days ago. Has only posted once the entire game stating that he was behind but that he should start playing for real soon. Was last online a little over 24 hours.

4. polking- Has not posted in the game so far. Was last online over 48 hours ago. I'm not sure what's up with him. He didn't ever post in LG15 either. Couldn't keep up or something? If so, I'd advise he goes over Ada's summaries if he doesn't have the time to read through all 500 posts or however many there are. While they may have slight bias, I didn't notice much, so it would most likely be helpful.

5. DeathClutch- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Not much to say about him. Called out Mailliw, Ada and one other person I think, but since then hasn't done anything in the thread.

6. Venture- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Nothing seems to get this guys attention.

7. Tony Shark- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online very recently. No explanation. Another I'm fairly suspicious of because of his inactivity.

8. Phattemer- Last posted over 4 days ago. Has been online recently. Habitually pretty quiet in the early game, but has shown pretty good ability at weeding out eliminators. For examples, see QF9 and LG15.

9. Burnt Spaghetti- Last posted over 2 days ago. Has been online recently. Prolly evil.   (LG15 reference. I don't actually have an opinion about her alignment yet.)

10. Lightsworn Panda(Jain)- Last posted over 3 days ago. Was last online about 3 days ago. Seems to be actually inactive, rather than lurking. Stated that he was behind on reading the thread.

11. Creccio- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Not sure what the cause for Creccio's silence is. Maybe because of finals? Usually much more vocal, like he was in the first 2 Cycles. Most likely Restares, or at least in contact with Restares. (We should probably kill him right? Totally not because of who he is though.  )

 

I think that's most, if not all of them. That is a lot of inactives/lurkers. That's not even accounting for those players who have just posted a line here or there. Out of all of those, I think Feligon and Tony Shark are 2 of the more suspicious ones, seeing as how they have been online as recently as 2 or so hours ago, but haven't added anything for a while now(Of the 2 of them, I'd rather Tony Shark die since he's a SoH and I'm a GB, but I realize basing decisions like that off of faction would most likely be frowned upon, and frankly, Feligon seems more suspicious to me because he's being voted on and yet he still hasn't responded.) Others who seem suspiciously quiet to me are Creccio, Burnt, and DeathClutch as they haven't given reason for their lack of contributions lately and they seem like they usually are more active than this(I know, they are all SoH, but honestly and truly, I'm not basing it off of faction for these 3).

 

Vote tally:

 

Feligon(3): Araris, Twei, Mailliw

Stink(3): Elbereth, Kipper, Seonid

Kipper(1): Stink

Clanky(1): Lopen

 

Not a whole lot of votes again. I guess everyone is hesitant because of the lack of information? Still, we haven't been very productive these last 2 Cycles in terms of lynch discussions. I can understand to a certain degree, but it is a little frustrating. I know this time of year gets pretty busy, but I'm trying my best to get post my thoughts on things as often as I can, and I hope that everyone else will too. It's just so much more fun when everyone is trying to kill each otherfigure things out together! 

 

Edit: Okay, Creccio did warn us ahead of time he wasn't going to be very active for the last 2 Cycles because of finals. Hopefully he will be his usual posting self soon.

Edited December 21, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Really sorry for not posting. My head feels like it's in a blender going through a roller coaster.

 

Before I pass out, I would like to say that we probably should have more votes going around. We've got 29 players, or 18 counting the inactives, so we probably should have more than just 11 votes on the tally. For now, I won't be voting since I'm too uninformed.

[Bort he/him]

Having read the thread, this declaration from STINK about Aonar and Kipper could do with some verification. My best thought of how it happened is that STINK is, as previously claimed, a Runner, which I believe means he gets to see part of a PM, correct? He has probably seen something in PM between Kipper and Aonar, or between them and other people where they are discussing strategy, or putting some Diagrammist plot into play.

 

Either that, or he is the Diagrammist, and Aonar and Kipper have some kind of idea as to how to reveal them.

 

So, until further notice, STINK.

[STINK he/him]

I don't get to see other people's PMs. I only get to make one PM every cycle, which is made for me by the GMs at the start of the next cycle. If I am the Diagrammist, and Aonar and Kipper have some kind of idea as to how to reveal me, then they should of revealed me already, instead of not saying much. I do have some logic to my statement, but not one I will explain. 

 

If I am going to die, then I will post who I have PMs with near my death.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

9. Burnt Spaghetti- Last posted over 2 days ago. Has been online recently. Prolly evil. (LG15 reference. I don't actually have an opinion about her alignment yet.)

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Others who seem suspiciously quiet to me are Creccio, Burnt, and DeathClutch as they haven't given reason for their lack of contributions lately and they seem like they usually are more active than this(I know, they are all SoH, but honestly and truly, I'm not basing it off of faction for these 3).

Yeah, as i've said before, I'm sorry for my inactivity, its just I am struggling to find time to actually post. I've given some reasons previously as to why, although I haven't gone into too much detail.

 

Sorry for not posting prior to this guys. I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread but I haven’t had time to post. Also, I’m going to have less time to post this game then I did in the LG so just a pre-warner.

Hey guys,

So once again, I apologise for my inactivity, but atm its a little more complicated than normal for me to post as I can only view and post from my mobile (which seems to be wanting to give up on me now… ) whereas previous games I've been able to frequently view the thread in multiple tabs so im rather un-used to having to use the mobile version and I'm not able to check the thread as often as I did previously. So yeah, there are IRL reasons behind my inactivity but I don't feel like going into all details.

So yeah as I said I can only post from my mobile. “But Burnt, you should be able to go on via your phone at any time right?” Nope. I am currently only able to access the forums later in the evening (as in from 12 am to 2 am (and no you do not get to know why.)) so my posts are done in that time frame and by that point I am rather tired so i’ve only posted every second night as I am not staying up till 2 am every night just to post on the thread. I actually somewhat value my sleep (sometimes). I do have email notifications though so i can sorta keep up with the thread but when it comes to actively sitting down and posting, sorry that’s going to have to wait till when I’m half asleep (like now).

And I'm sorry if I sound like I'm just coming up with a new excuse but I'm not. I legitimately have problems finding time to post and I also had relatives over yesterday which meant I couldn't even view the thread, let alone post.

As for 'seeming like i'm normally more active than this' well, have you looked at how often I normally post each game? Still generally only one, maybe 2 posts per cycle. (pm activity is a different story)

But still, you’re totally in your rights to call me out for inactivity. I have been inactive, so sorry for that. But just saying. I have previously stated reasons. So think of this post as a restating of them and these reasons will be active for the rest of the game. So yes, i’m not likely to be that much more active than I currently am for the remainder of the game.

 

Prolly evil. (LG15 reference. I don't actually have an opinion about her alignment yet.)

Haha, well perhaps having no opinion about my alignment is a good thing considering what happened in LG15 Better to stay neutral then be 100% wrong right? If you are interested, I also have little opinion about your alignment yet either.

Also I had a thought about stink’s claims.

What if he really is a runner, and is in contact with an assassin who has witnessed Aonar and Kipper target whoever the assassin followed. If then it was revealed that who was followed was actually attacked by diagramists (for example Haelbarde and Venture) then that would imply that whoever targeted the person followed was actually a diagramist (unless the person followed was targeted by multiple actions but still). So that's my current theory.

….Can assassins stalk dead players (stake out their grave or something) to find out if they are elsecalled?