Mid-Range Game 10: Divided Loyalties

[Kynedath]

If they really wanted to kill HS then why wouldn't they have moved the vote from Venture to HS instead of PK?

Good point but they could have done it to throw us off and hide their motives. Create confusion in the ranks and the soldiers will scatter.

[Amanuensis he/him]

If they really wanted to kill HS then why wouldn't they have moved the vote from Venture to HS instead of PK?

 

This is why I personally believe that the relevant Ardent / Lightweaver put in the order before PK revealed himself as a Scholar and the votes began drifting away from him. If we look at who posted / viewed the thread around the time PK was collecting votes but not after his reveal than we could probably figure out who it was, though that doesn't necessarily mean they are a Diagrammist or otherwise.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Adavantos

[Elkanah he/him]

If you can't provide a reason for inactivity, then my vote will stay on you. If you didn't want to get involved, then you still could have talked about another subject and help shed some light on our situation. You obviously know that we need more info and yet you don't want to go out and find the information. As I see it, you have lied and you almost admit that you are trying to pull strings from the background ("think more talk less").

Why the interest in PK? You expressed no opinion during the original argument and the lynch is much more prominent at this point. Besides, as far as I know, Paranoid King was one of the three in risk of being

I concede. You're right. I should have posted yesterday. I wish I had. I'm even fine with you leaving your vote on me until you find someone who has done something more suspicious Than not posting for one cycle.

What I would like to know is why are you going after me after I've become active as opposed to calling me out when I wasn't

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Day 3 Suspicion List

Bad:

Adavantos - Protected for no reason, reasons for voting for HS have no logic, wants to keep scholar info secret to keep village in the dark

Mailliw -  I just know...plus his reasons for voting are not logical

Stink - Day 1 claim makes no sense, not helping village

Paranoid King - reasons for voting for sart still make no sense, claims scholar and no info from that yet

 

Good:

Venture: Not active enough for WGG

 

Me: I know my own role

 

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Day 3 Suspicion List

Bad:

Adavantos - Protected for no reason, reasons for voting for HS have no logic, wants to keep scholar info secret to keep village in the dark

 

I agree that the protection doesn't make sense, however, my vote for HS has the most logic out of everyone, and when did I ever say I wanted to keep the scholar info a secret?

[Kynedath]

I concede. You're right. I should have posted yesterday. I wish I had. I'm even fine with you leaving your vote on me until you find someone who has done something more suspicious Than not posting for one cycle.

What I would like to know is why are you going after me after I've become active as opposed to calling me out when I wasn't

First off, your post in cycle 3 reminded me that you had promised to be more active. During cycle 2, I had all but forgotten you.

 

To be honest, I was also just trying to use a vote to get you to answer, like I've seen done before. At first I wasn't worried about it, but then your answer led me to truly question your actions. I still think that you aren't the most suspicious at this point but it's also too crucial a decision for me to come to a decision too quickly. I never intended to keep my vote on you, but instead I thought it was a good idea to gather information on both you and the others at the same time. This was only supposed to be temporary until I got your answer. I appreciate your activity now but I still want to know why you didn't post cycle 2. I most definitely don't suspect you as much as others, but at the time, I just wanted answers.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

No one's vote for HS had any logic so that means nothing. Also previously you stated you did not want PK to post his Scholar results, possibly to keep the village in the dark and also to protect a fellow diagrammist from being caught in a lie.

[STINK he/him]

Or maybe because we want to give time for the other scholar to find an intermediary so as to check if PKs result wasn't manipulated.

Personally I think PK should, and if the other scholar has the same then he doesn't even have to do anything.

Edited December 17, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Paranoid King he/him]

I'm trusting adavantos for now, but I'm definitely going to post the result I got before the cycle is halfway through, whether or not another scholar has been found. So all I'm saying for now is that based on the result I got, either Wilson is a troll, or an elsecaller is.

[little wilson she/her]

Wilson is a troll

 

You mean to tell me this isn't a given? I clearly haven't been doing my job right....

[STINK he/him]

PK, you might as well post it now, so we get more time to discuss it.

[Amanuensis he/him]

No one's vote for HS had any logic so that means nothing. Also previously you stated you did not want PK to post his Scholar results, possibly to keep the village in the dark and also to protect a fellow diagrammist from being caught in a lie.

 

To say that any vote for HS has no logic is to say no one's vote on anyone in this game so far has any logic. Until alignments are revealed there is no solid evidence of whether or not a player is evil, and even that information is subject to being manipulated. Just because you may not agree that his behavior was suspicious doesn't mean everyone who voted for him are illogical. If I'm not mistaken, you're making the exact same argument that he did in his defense, which in my honest opinion has no logic itself. Anyone can declare someone elses suspicions as illogical. That's the thing though. They are suspicions in a game where we don't get confirmation about them being correct for another two days after following through with them. Where can logic be found? I was the one that instigated the lynch on PK to begin with, which if not for his Scholar claim I would not have backed off in favor of the second player that seemed the most off this game thus far. As for my reasons for voting for him, I made mine very clear before the Cycle ended, and in my opinion not a single reason lacked logic. Admittedly they were not all of my reasons, but certainly the nicest ones I could put into words.

 

PK, you might as well post it now, so we get more time to discuss it.

 

On that note, I vote he doesn't. Let's go ahead and assume that PK is a Diagrammist and lied about being a Scholar because he knew that was his only hope at not being lynched. By him posting the result now, it would not be hard for one of his teammates to claim Scholar in PM and tell someone to inform the thread that he isn't lying. We currently have no idea what Sart, Arraenae, or Mace Windu's roles were. If one of, if not more of them, were a Scholar, let alone a Son of Honor one, and the Ghostblood Scholars scanned Arraenae as asked, then there would be no one to confirm if he is telling the truth or not. We would easily be open to manipulation which is something that we do not want. The fact of the matter is the Scholars really don't have a choice but to claim to someone or else we will never learn anything as a whole and will just be continiously stuck in the predicament we are now; tearing each other apart with no real certainty. While it is risky for a Scholar to claim to anyone, what other choice do they have? And truly it's better if they all remain anonymous, even though PK already revealed himself (assuming he's being honest).

Edited December 17, 2015 by Adavantos

[Creccio he/him]

I am Restares

 

Sons of Honor:

• Maili,
• DeathClutch  
• Kipper
• Venture,  
• Tony Shark
• Adavantos
• Clanky
• Elkanah
• STINK
• Kynedath
• Aonar
• Phat
• Starry Smite
• Sart
• Arraenae
• Burnt Spaghetti
• Jain

 

I am Lux

 

I am leaving on a plane today and I wont be checking the thread until friday night/saturday morning. This is going to be fun. Good Luck and may the odds be ever in your favor. Also, GG Cooks, way to kill everyone!

Edited December 17, 2015 by Creccio

[Zas678 he/him]

But what do we gain if he waits? A Diagramist can still lie to support him, just doing it before hand instead of afterwards. 

[STINK he/him]

inb4 Ada is telling PK what to say in the DG doc.

[Creccio he/him]

Also Mail

[Amanuensis he/him]

But what do we gain if he waits? A Diagramist can still lie to support him, just doing it before hand instead of afterwards. 

 

I'm trying to come up with an answer, Zas, but I had not thought of that scenario. 

 

inb4 Ada is telling PK what to say in the DG doc.

 

If I were in a DG doc you would think I would have discussed such a plan with my teammates and someone would have realized a flaw in my proposition. Plus I had presented said plan last cycle and no one poked holes in it.

[STINK he/him]

Exactly Ada, so we get PK to claim now.

[Kynedath]

Well then . . .

 

Sons of Honor:

1. Malarn (Maill): a man who stinks
2. Moros (DeathClutch)
3. Krippe (Kipper): a Urithiru postmaster
4. Maximilianos Sebarial (Venture)
5. Yallah (Tony Shark)
6. Deadeye (Kynedath)
7. Agrigar Leiken (Adavantos)
8. Cla (Clanky)
9. Kael of the Forge (Elkanah): an eager emigrant
10. John Doe (Stink): A man who thinks he's a fish
11. Arran Faenel (Aonar)
12. Seixa (Phattemer): A man who believes he's a Skybreaker Squire
13. Starri (Starry Smite): an overlooked brightlady
14. Edurams (Sart) (Cycle 1)
15. Arina (Arraenae) (Cycle 1)
16. Ashei Ghetti (Burnt Spaghetti)
17. Jain (Lightsworn Panda): a walking, talking panda
18. Inor Haze (Creccio)

Therefore:

 

Ghostbloods:

1. Locke Tekiel (Orlok)
2. Aleral (Araris)
3. Kholak Bagar (Honey Badger)
4. Alycia Kavdar (RippleGylf)
5. Walter Kysley (polking): an Azish soldier
6. Sheon Idris (Seonid): the late King of Arelon, somehow in Urithiru?
7. Baheal Edr (Hael): son of the late Ableah (Cycle 2)
8. Hellscythe (Hellscythe) (Cycle 2)
9. Slalassalas (Paranoid King): swordfighter who's "defeated" many Horneaters
10. Frank "Gold Frank" Au Faliu (Feligon): a pirate with an nonflying(?) pirate ship, looking for his brother
11. Citona Vinid (Shallan)
12. Torren (Twei): an ex-Skybreaker Radiant, ditched by his spren
13. Bort (Bort)
14. Lopen (The Mighty Lopen)
15. Mace (Mace Windu): a strange man who wields a purple sword-thing (Cycle 2)
16. Elba (Elbereth)
17. Zas (Zas): a creative shoemaker seeking flesh for new shoes
18. Lorna (Alvron): a huntress

[Shallan she/her]

I'll confirm that this looks right as far as I know, and I know quite far.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

To shove it in the face of the Diagrammists.

 

 

 

This is why I personally believe that the relevant Ardent / Lightweaver put in the order before PK revealed himself as a Scholar and the votes began drifting away from him. If we look at who posted / viewed the thread around the time PK was collecting votes but not after his reveal than we could probably figure out who it was, though that doesn't necessarily mean they are a Diagrammist or otherwise.

 

 

 

Day 3 Suspicion List

Bad:

Mailliw -  I just know...plus his reasons for voting are not logical

So, my reasons for voting aren't logical, but you "just knowing" is? Can I ask for more explanation? And where my votes didn't add up? I believe that each of my votes has had a logical reason behind it.

 

I am Restares

 

I am Lux

 

I am leaving on a plane today and I wont be checking the thread until friday night/saturday morning. This is going to be fun. Good Luck and may the odds be ever in your favor. Also, GG Cooks, way to kill everyone!

By the lack of counterclaims and my knowledge of our faction, I'd say this is accurate as well. 

 

With the Lux comment, I assume you're referring to Light and are thus claiming Lightweaver. Might I ask why the storms you'd do that? You basically just lost us that role and signed your death warrant. You can't redirect every action headed your way.

 

Also Mail

Um, is there any reason for this vote?

[Creccio he/him]

 

Um, is there any reason for this vote?

 

Tuna

 

No there is not

Edited December 17, 2015 by Creccio

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Tuna

 

No there is not

... I don't know what I'm supposed to say to that. 

 

Also, I meant to mention this in the last post. I want to apologize to Hellscythe for my behavior yesterday. I let emotions cloud my judgement and said things in a way that they shouldn't have been said. If you have any complaints and want to talk about it, just shoot me a PM. Sorry again.

[Paranoid King he/him]

On that note, I vote he doesn't. Let's go ahead and assume that PK is a Diagrammist and lied about being a Scholar because he knew that was his only hope at not being lynched. By him posting the result now, it would not be hard for one of his teammates to claim Scholar in PM and tell someone to inform the thread that he isn't lying. We currently have no idea what Sart, Arraenae, or Mace Windu's roles were. If one of, if not more of them, were a Scholar, let alone a Son of Honor one, and the Ghostblood Scholars scanned Arraenae as asked, then there would be no one to confirm if he is telling the truth or not. We would easily be open to manipulation which is something that we do not want. The fact of the matter is the Scholars really don't have a choice but to claim to someone or else we will never learn anything as a whole and will just be continiously stuck in the predicament we are now; tearing each other apart with no real certainty. While it is risky for a Scholar to claim to anyone, what other choice do they have? And truly it's better if they all remain anonymous, even though PK already revealed himself (assuming he's being honest).

 

...What?

 

Let's see if I can sum this up. Assuming I'm a diagrammist, posting now would give one of my teammates a chance to claim scholar in a PM. Some of the people who died might have been scholars, so we can't just count up numbers and tell who is telling the truth.

 

I agree with Zas, how does waiting help? A diagrammist wouldn't have to wait until after I post to claim a scholar's role. It would even be helpful for us if  scholar has already claimed, because if the diagrammists have a scholar, then the person who claimed in a PM would confirm my vote before I post, and if they don't have a scholar, they'd confirm it after I post. So if someone claims they're a scholar and doesn't tell the result of their scan until after I post, that means that they are probably a diagrammist.

And, assuming they're in cohorts with me, all it would take is one scholar to challenge our claim.

Also, I was ninja'd  by four people before posting. Some of them might have relevant info.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

PK posting second doesn't clear him either though. All he has to do it confirm whatever the Scholar's intermediary says in the thread. If the Scholar says anything, PK will just post the exact same thing if he is or if he isn't a Scholar. PK posting first is probably the best response.