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[DreamEternal]

While I agree that what happened was... just horrible, I have to say to those who say that they would put walls around europe or sink Columbus if they had a time machine that they are in some ways inversing the "White Man's Burden" idea into "White Man's Fault", and that there is little reason people of other continents wouldn't do the same Europe did if they started the age of sail.

I am not saying that what many european nations did wasn't horrible, or trying to justify opression. Just trying to say that even if you don't mean it, the way some of you are writing is... negative.I am all for helping those suffering from past or present opression. Just... no hate or feeling guilty about one's ancestors, ok?

[Blaze1616 he/him]

And I'm still grumpy from those people who believe Thanksgiving celebrates genocide of Native Americans. 

 

I don't know anyone who actually believes that Thanksgiving is intended to celebrate the genocide of Native Americans. Merely they want people to realize that we've chosen to celebrate a day of thanks using a "mascot" scenario that was the genocide of Native Americans. You know, pilgrims and indians. Cool shaped yams and turkeys and squash. The classic Thanksgiving look. There was really no Thanks involved in that scenario.

 

 

I'd like to point out, that not every culture that got in touch with Europeans got wiped out or dominated. China and middle east got influenced by us, but those cultures were far from being dominated by Europeans. India, despite being kind of British colony still preserved a lot of it's culture as far as I know. So I guess, those cultures that were growing up with contact with Europe managed to survive as they knew they had to have ways to protect themselves and they learned from Europeans how to fight. While Native Americans had to face battle-hardened Europeans without centuries of experience in war.

 

Not to be the major downer of the board, but China didn't particularly fare well against Europe either, they just managed to preserve their culture because of their ridiculously long and majorly impressive history. After all, it was Europe, or more specifically Britain, that tried to, and almost succeeded, in getting a vast majority of the population addicted to Opium, which they were the sole supplier of. In fact, two wars occured, called The Opium Wars, and the result was Britain gaining control of Hong Kong, which is why Hong Kong is far, far, far more westernized than the rest of China. The US tried something similar against Japan, though not through drugs if I recall correctly, and our education system doesn't bother teaching us about it unless we take the optional class of World History (at least, AP World History, which was optional for my school district).

 

If there's a Chinese member on the forum please feel free to correct me or add details.

 

As for the Middle East, I don't believe it was for a lack of trying, but rather Europe realized that there wasn't much in the Middle East worth fighting over. Or, at least at the time there wasn't, as oil wasn't in demand at all.

 

Edit: Since you ninja'd me 

 

While I agree that what happened was... just horrible, I have to say to those who say that they would put walls around europe or sink Columbus if they had a time machine that they are in some ways inversing the "White Man's Burden" idea into "White Man's Fault", and that there is little reason people of other continents wouldn't do the same Europe did if they started the age of sail.

 

China developed much greater sailing capabilities prior to Europe's development of sailing, and, well, didn't do that. In fact, historians theorize China was first to land in the Americas, before even Mr. Erikson Erikpug.

 

Not that I mean to take away from your point, though, as I believe you are correct. Though Europe committed some atrocities, were we to remove them from history, or force isolation on to them, much of our society today would not exist, possibly including our ability to even learn of the world's history.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Blaze1616

[Mestiv he/him]

As for the Middle East, I don't believe it was for a lack of trying, but rather Europe realized that there wasn't much in the Middle East worth fighting over. Or, at least at the time there wasn't, as oil wasn't in demand at all.

 

Well, there was this city called Jeruzalem but you're right, there were no resources like gold etc.

[little wilson she/her]

Guys and gals, this is the Bad Day thread, not the Westerners Take Over and Destroy Everything thread. If you would like to have a discussion about that, create a thread for it, but please stop derailing this one.

[Delightful]

Well, there was this city called Jeruzalem

There was

Except for the Crusaders though, people didn't specifically go to war over her. She was usually a minor conquered city within a larger empire (Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Ottoman etc) in an area nobody could make much grow. Until the discovery of oil, the Middle East was pretty much not of interest to Europeans I believe.

Edit: sorry. Will stop derailing now.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Ookla the Fierce

[DreamEternal]

So the discussion is over? I was about to ask Mestiv what he meant when he said the Native Americans didn't have centuries of experience with war, since I am not familiar with the North American natives.

Well, please don't reply to this post, I don't wish to derail this thread even more.

[Voidus]

So the discussion is over? I was about to ask Mestiv what he meant when he said the Native Americans didn't have centuries of experience with war, since I am not familiar with the North American natives.

Well, please don't reply to this post, I don't wish to derail this thread even more.

You didn't get to finish? That almost sounds like you're having a bad day.   

(Ask in a PM perhaps?)

[little wilson she/her]

The discussion doesn't have to be over. It just needs to move elsewhere on this board. It can continue there, but it's derailed this for over 15 hours, and nothing is getting it back on track even with people noticing that it's getting derailed. This thread has a purpose and it's not to discuss the blight of Western civilization. There *is* a place for that discussion though: in a new thread.

[DreamEternal]

You didn't get to finish? That almost sounds like you're having a bad day.

(Ask in a PM perhaps?)

No need to. Mestiv already did so and explained what he meant.

[Voidus]

To get back on topic, so I got my script filled for the endone I take, my usual doctor didn't have an appointment for ages so I saw someone else at the same clinic and they suggested I try taking it with paracetamol since it can help it be more effective.
I had to go out and buy some because I haven't taken over the counter pain meds in years since they do pretty much nothing for me but I thought I'd give it a go.
Tried it for the first time tonight and it seems to somehow be even less effective than normal. Not sure how that's possible and maybe I'm just having a really bad night and it is still working, not sure but it's a little disheartening.

[Kaymyth she/her]

I tried to give blood today. Despite having been poked by needles four times in the last three weeks for blood draws, I wanted to give blood. The Red Cross has been begging me to donate because apparently there's a shortage of O Negative blood (my blood type). Sure, I'm iron deficient (something I just learned last week from the results of the last time I got my blood drawn a little over a week ago), but I've given blood a lot and rarely have problems.

They tested my iron levels twice because the first test was .1 short of the low end for iron. This involves a prick of the finger that tends to hurt worse than the actual giving of the blood. But the second test, my levels were fine. So I got to attempt to give blood.

I say attempt because I spent 10 minutes with a needle in my arm, having them fiddle with it, trying to get my blood to go faster, because apparently it started clotting almost right off the bat. So they couldn't get the full pint. I don't even think they got half a pint, which means they can only use it for research purposes and not to actually help anyone. So I just got poked three times for nothing. And my arm is killing me. It's been almost two hours and it still hurts to bend it. I'm nearly certain I'm going to have a decent-sized bruise. I should've just left after the first prick test failed...

 

That sounds kind of like what happens every time I try to give blood.  I have super-tiny veins, to the point where the needle they use is generally bigger than the vein they're trying to stick it into.  This leads to badness and unpleasant vibes.  In your case, you might have just been a bit dehydrated.

 

I gave up the whole thing years ago.  But I'm A+, which is super-common and not in high demand, so I don't feel too bad about it.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

My dad sent me a couple of jobs in Spokane, one at Community Colleges of Spokane and one at Moody Bible Institute in Spokane. I applied for the CCS job today just so I could tell my parents I applied for a job in Spokane. My mom asked me where I'd applied today, and I told her. I expected joy, praise, something more substantial, but all she said was "Very cool. Did you apply for the Moody job yet?" 

 

"Not yet," I told her. Of course, I'll tell you fine folks: I LIED. I didn't apply for the Moody job, and I'm not going to apply for the Moody job. You know why? Because if I apply there, they'll expect me to apply for another Spokane job, and another, and another. No matter how much I give them, they're not going to be happy. 

 

So that's it. I'm applying for one Spokane job, and no more. If Spokane is where I'm meant to be, then that's the job I'll get. 

[Orlion Blight he/him]

My dad sent me a couple of jobs in Spokane, one at Community Colleges of Spokane and one at Moody Bible Institute in Spokane. I applied for the CCS job today just so I could tell my parents I applied for a job in Spokane. My mom asked me where I'd applied today, and I told her. I expected joy, praise, something more substantial, but all she said was "Very cool. Did you apply for the Moody job yet?"

"Not yet," I told her. Of course, I'll tell you fine folks: I LIED. I didn't apply for the Moody job, and I'm not going to apply for the Moody job. You know why? Because if I apply there, they'll expect me to apply for another Spokane job, and another, and another. No matter how much I give them, they're not going to be happy.

So that's it. I'm applying for one Spokane job, and no more. If Spokane is where I'm meant to be, then that's the job I'll get.

It's good to be soul crushingly pragmatic from time to time... But this isn't one of those times, so you did good! A compromise between the ideal and the pragmatic is what is called for, I believe.

[little wilson she/her]

That sounds kind of like what happens every time I try to give blood.  I have super-tiny veins, to the point where the needle they use is generally bigger than the vein they're trying to stick it into.  This leads to badness and unpleasant vibes.  In your case, you might have just been a bit dehydrated.

 

I gave up the whole thing years ago.  But I'm A+, which is super-common and not in high demand, so I don't feel too bad about it.

 

Yeah, I think I was slightly dehydrated. I'd had plenty of water on Sunday, but not so much on Saturday or yesterday (before giving, though I drank a good 30 oz in the hour after). And now that I know I'm iron deficient (though I think I've been iron deficient since I was a teenager), I'm not sure I really should be giving anymore. I feel like I should since I'm healthy and I'm O- but giving whole blood makes a person more deficient in iron. Plus, I also just learned I have an autoimmune disorder and while it's not like those are contagious, I'm a little leery of giving blood when it's blood that they test to see what your antibody levels are and such. And I don't want to give someone a surplus of thyroid antibodies and cause them to have Hashimoto's (assuming that's even possible, which it probably isn't, but I have this fear now that it could happen,and then I'd feel really bad).

[Kaymyth she/her]

Yeah, I think I was slightly dehydrated. I'd had plenty of water on Sunday, but not so much on Saturday or yesterday (before giving, though I drank a good 30 oz in the hour after). And now that I know I'm iron deficient (though I think I've been iron deficient since I was a teenager), I'm not sure I really should be giving anymore. I feel like I should since I'm healthy and I'm O- but giving whole blood makes a person more deficient in iron. Plus, I also just learned I have an autoimmune disorder and while it's not like those are contagious, I'm a little leery of giving blood when it's blood that they test to see what your antibody levels are and such. And I don't want to give someone a surplus of thyroid antibodies and cause them to have Hashimoto's (assuming that's even possible, which it probably isn't, but I have this fear now that it could happen,and then I'd feel really bad).

 

I imagine that your doctor could probably alleviate your worries on all of those counts. 

[Delightful]

My dad sent me a couple of jobs in Spokane, one at Community Colleges of Spokane and one at Moody Bible Institute in Spokane. I applied for the CCS job today just so I could tell my parents I applied for a job in Spokane. My mom asked me where I'd applied today, and I told her. I expected joy, praise, something more substantial, but all she said was "Very cool. Did you apply for the Moody job yet?"

"Not yet," I told her. Of course, I'll tell you fine folks: I LIED. I didn't apply for the Moody job, and I'm not going to apply for the Moody job. You know why? Because if I apply there, they'll expect me to apply for another Spokane job, and another, and another. No matter how much I give them, they're not going to be happy.

So that's it. I'm applying for one Spokane job, and no more. If Spokane is where I'm meant to be, then that's the job I'll get.

Im assuming Moody is a proper noun and not an adjective?

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Im assuming Moody is a proper noun and not an adjective?

Yes. Though it occurs to me that the adjective form might have been more entertaining.

Moody Bible Institute was founded by and named for Dwight L. Moody, an American evangelist who founded a number of similar things during his life in the 1800s. The Spokane MBI branch is an offshoot of the original in Chicago. And I don't want to work there right now. Maybe later, when I've sorted through some things, I'd be okay working at a religious school....but not now.

Edited December 1, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Delightful]

Anyone near /know anyone near the shooting? You guys ok?

[+Slowswift]

Anyone near /know anyone near the shooting? You guys ok?

 

...another one?

[Delightful]

All I know is that it was at some kind of home for special needs people, and there are 12 dead and more injured.

[Kestrel she/her]

I've been so upset all week, mainly with my clingyness.

I need to know how to let go of people/things, but I never do. Sighs. I've been losing sleep over it. This really isn't good.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

I've been so upset all week, mainly with my clingyness.

I need to know how to let go of people/things, but I never do. Sighs. I've been losing sleep over it. This really isn't good.

I'm sorry. I used to be pretty clingy too, and once I confronted the cause of that, I was able to become less clingy, become more independent.

[Delightful]

Maaaaybe it's not so much letting go as not getting so attached in the first place? But I don't know how you do that so......I'm not being very helpful here am I?

*hugs*

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

"Twi of the SansSparkles Clan, your punishment for your mistake is to stay on the phone as I repeat the same information four storming times in a row!"

--one of the ladies in Accounting.

[Briar King]

One dead on street male, one dead in SUV female, one suspect detained but unknown 100% if this person is connected to dead. The SUV is riddled with holes like Bonnie and Clyde car.

I saw this entire story breaking 2 minutes after sitting down and turning my tv on. Tv is blurring out bodies now but I saw it all live and it was very red.....