Long Game 14: To Shatter a Shard

[STINK he/him]

Wilson(In red but I'm on my phone)

Why? Firstly because so far Wilson has been the one controlling the info but only now seems to know who is who, and also I don't like how this game is going, where most of us don't even need to do anything because Cult has it all sorted out.

If Cult is inno, then we can just lynch who she wanted to lynch later, but even Endowment is killing people instead of handing out shards because of Cult saying so, and with Endowment being the only true inno we can trust, communication with her is the best option,but even the list of who should get shards is provided by Cult!

Edited September 11, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Seonid he/him]

You know, Alvron, your arguments are good. Excellent, even. But you fail to deal with one important, even vital piece of information.

That is - Wilson just purportedly leaked the identity of Odium in the thread. She claims to have invested in him, and thereby confirmed that he is a shard. I find it highly unlikely that she would run such an obvious lie, one capable of being checked by any of the shards, including you. I also find it highly unlikely that she would willingly out Odium, the eliminators most powerful asset, in such a public manner. That way lies folly.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Just pointing out that doing so would automatically clear her to everyone else. Odium wouldn't even be lost, just moved. I just want to make sure the options are all out there.

[Alvron]

You know, Alvron, your arguments are good. Excellent, even. But you fail to deal with one important, even vital piece of information.

That is - Wilson just purportedly leaked the identity of Odium in the thread. She claims to have invested in him, and thereby confirmed that he is a shard. I find it highly unlikely that she would run such an obvious lie, one capable of being checked by any of the shards, including you. I also find it highly unlikely that she would willingly out Odium, the eliminators most powerful asset, in such a public manner. That way lies folly.

She claims to have invested in him.  Claims being the operative word.  Wilson also claimed that she didn't put in Investment orders that cycle.

 

A helpful role died, yes, but Joe made a decision about LO's that they follow their operator's last orders. We lost the Operator but we didn't lose the Lifeless. I know exactly where that Lifeless is because Alvom told me. I'd been worried he'd told me to get me to suspect him less, since I had reasons to believe he was an OC. And I would've voted. I actually had my secret vote on him, but I forgot to invest so....that kind of failed. Point is, I'm sorry Alvom died. I feel bad about that. But I'm figuring out about some people more because of it, and that's helpful.

 

If it is true then tell me why she didn't have Endowment, the only guaranteed non eliminator, kill Odium?  How about the Bloodsealer that killed Winter?  Wilson knows who that is but didn't get them to place a skele on Odium either.  How about Hoid who has a roleblock?  Any of these would've been better than what she did.  

Wait, don't tell me.  It was in order to lock Odium down.  But Odium can just give up his Shard giving it to a fellow Eliminator.  So we may learn who Odium was but would still have to waste a lynch in order to kill someone who knows is being targeted.  Instead she contacted Maill.  Someone who has threatened and lied to many players for what?  Move a kill?  Why move a kill when you could stop a kill?

 

Edit:  Sure any Shard can Invest in Odium to see if it's true but what would they be giving up.  Honour loses protection.  Not just their Investees but their own action fails.  Preservation is unable to give an extra life to another.  Endowment gives up Ruin plus a kill.  Survival joins team Odium.  The only two Shards that could do it are Cultivation and Dominion.  But Dominion is the one up for the lynch meaning that Cultivation is the only one that can safely Invest and find out the truth without giving away something vital to the village.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Alvron

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I have had extremely little information to work with.  Yet the Eliminators knew who to attack.  Orlok was attacked and killed when only a few knew his role.  Kipper was attacked, Maill was attacked, Wilson was attacked.  All Shards.  How many knew that all these people were Shards?  Only those in the Not a Coalition Party.  Not a single worldhopper was attacked by Team Odium.  The odds of that are astronomical.

 

Kipper and Maill are Shards? 

[Alvron]

Kipper and Maill are Shards? 

Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure that they are but what scarce information I have managed to collect points me that way.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Kipper and Maill are Shards? 

I can't comment on what info may have been shared in PM's, because there's not be a lot gone on in most of mine. I've had suspicions of Kipper being a shard from when he was attacked. If you look back to, was it cycle 2?, he survived, but not due to a lifeless. So he was either protected by Honor(or his investee), was invested in by preservation, or was a shard (one of Honor, Survival, or Preservation). He then specifically thanks Preservation, and if you keep in mind that often 'I know who this role is' is often code for 'I have that role, but don't want you to know', you had a fair likelihood of him being a Shard. 

[Guest]

...if you keep in mind that often 'I know who this role is' is often code for 'I have that role, but don't want you to know', you had a fair likelihood of him being a Shard.

Which, of course, is exactly why I said what I said. The power of simple statements like that is not lost on me.

[little wilson she/her]

I knew I was going to bed right before things got fun. But that's what middle-of-the-night insomnia is for!

 

Now, I want to preface this post with something. I've been taking notes slightly differently this game. Most games, I track the post count of players, but this game, I've scrapped that and I've just been tracking online frequency. It's arguably the aspect of my notes that I've kept most up-to-date with. The way I've been doing it is I refresh the home page, see who's online, and put a tally next to their name. If, after I go to bed, I get a PM from someone, or they post in the thread or any number of other things, they get a tally, because they were online even if I was not.

 

Admittedly, this system is not precise, because at times when I'm very active on the site, I forget to track it (plus I don't want to do it every time I refresh, but at most every 15 minutes) but I typically get it about every hour, and see if anyone who hadn't been online at all that day has gotten online since the last time checked.

 

Since Night 1, Alv has not hit under 3 tallies. Bear in mind that he is 6 hours behind me, and I'm usually about to go to bed when he starts becoming active (This isn't always the case, but it often is).

 

When I went bed tonight at just before 10 PM (MDT), Alv had 1 tally, because he had sent me a PM at 1:44 AM. He then got offline at 1:53 AM and had not gotten back online since. I know because every time I went through to check online times, I checked to see if he'd gotten online. He never had. And right before I shut my laptop down, I checked him again, and it remained unchanged.

 

This is abnormal. And before anyone suggests that he checked the site incognito, Alv isn't really one to do that, and how would he even know he needed to? He hadn't been online since 7 hours before my accusation. He's smart, but he's not psychic. He does, however, have access to a doc, and his docmates would be copy-pasting all the posts related to him, keeping him up-to-date on how many votes he had on him and everything. While I've never been evil with Alv (sadly), I do know that he stays connected to the evil doc well. That he accesses it via multiple devices (the eliminators in LG5 called it the menagerie since at one point, he had accessed the doc with a bunch of different devices, or maybe Google was just being funky, or both).

 

I guarantee that he knew exactly what was going in the thread so he didn't have to check the thread himself. I guarantee that he was composing that post long before he checked the thread and read it himself. And it's a very good defense, but it's not infallible, and there are quite a number of holes in it.

 

 

An interesting argument.  Completely devoid of proof but interesting.

 

What proof would you like? Awakeners can't scan for alignment, and I've already given my analysis on the other Shards and why I concluded that Dominion is the OC Shard. I didn't even make that analysis knowing that you were Dominion (though I had expressed at one point to Seonid that I hoped you were, but we were both thinking about that in terms of you being a good Dominion rather than an evil one). My analysis is solid. And I'm working on getting proof of Hael being Odium.

 

I have known you were Cultivation since the first day.  Yet you are still alive.  We both know that if I was an Eliminator I would be advocating for your death above all others.  You lived after Phatt was lynched thanks to me bringing up the lifeless rule.  Why would I do that if I was an eliminator?

 

You weren't certain I was Cultivation. Not 100%. Yes, you heavily suspected, but you didn't know for sure. Not on the first cycle. And yes, I know that you'd be advocating for my death above all others. So do over half of the rest of the players. Killing me right off the bat would reflect as either a fearkill or directly on you. At first, people would think it was a fearkill, until more and more people started to suspect you, and then the pieces would fall into place and they realized that you would absolutely advocate my death. To cover your tracks, you had to wait a cycle or two. You couldn't kill me immediately.

 

Joe was already leaning toward the Lifeless saving from poison anyway, he just didn't know how. Your quote only solidified that and as for why you would do it: you'd do it if you were good too. Plus, doing it gives you something to back yourself up--a bit of evidence to give your defense a bit of credence right now. There's no harm to it and a lot of potential good.

 

And actually, since you mention Phatt's lynch, I just want to point out that you were one of the votes on him and while you gave the defense of "I only voted on him because he wouldn't answer my question" I'd like to remind you that you don't normally vote. And you have a trademark of not joining bandwagons. You could've just as easily removed your vote from PK and not voted on Phatt to put the pressure on him than join the bandwagon and vote for him. But you didn't, and I rather think that was because you wanted to take a hand in possibly causing my death by poison. Your defense there was rather flimsy considering you were doing something you tend to stand against.

 

 

I have had extremely little information to work with.  Yet the Eliminators knew who to attack.  Orlok was attacked and killed when only a few knew his role.  Kipper was attacked, Maill was attacked, Wilson was attacked.  All Shards.  How many knew that all these people were Shards?  Only those in the Not a Coalition Party.  Not a single worldhopper was attacked by Team Odium.  The odds of that are astronomical.

 

Not really, actually. A number of people thought Orlok was Cultivation, and it's not a stretch to guess that he might still be a Shard even if he's not Cultivation. So that attack made sense. Kipper had protection, but it's also not a stretch for eliminators to guess that he is also a Shard. Maill had protection as well, and it's actually unclear on whether he's a Thug (Devotion invested in him so that won't be clear until his pewter would run out) or a Shard. However, I want to note here that Maill wasn't attacked by Odium. He was attacked by the Champ. I was attacked by Odium, and it's well known that I am a Shard. So "astronomical"? Not really, no. They're logical guesses and the only one who died was Orlok. Whether or not Kipper and Maill are Shards is still unknown. All that's known is that they had protection, and I guarantee that we've been protecting non-Shards as well as Shards.

 

No, I believe that it was someone on the inside that has been directing the attacks.  Someone who controls the flow of information.  Someone who has been directing the moves of everyone.  Calling the shots.

 

I say that Wilson is the one working with Odium.  Only Wilson knew what was happening behind the scenes.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Wilson has been the one to direct Endowments use of Ruins kill.  And if she is then why did she not get Endowment to attack the one she 'suspected' of being Odium?  The answer is clear.  Wilson is evil.

 

Eh, I don't really have anything to say to this except that it's false. Well, the comment about Endowment is totally true, but everything else is false.

 

As for why I didn't have Endowment attack Odium, I don't want to kill him. I want to lock him down. Killing him simply puts him into a different OC and we lose track. Though I guess with investments, we'd be able to find him pretty easily and we'd have another OC caught.

 

 

She claims to have invested in him.  Claims being the operative word.  Wilson also claimed that she didn't put in Investment orders that cycle.

 

You know full-well that was a cover, since at that point in time I was convinced Honour was the OC Shard. Few people knew my investment had failed and only those I could count on as being good if Honour was evil. Or at least neutral, since I'd thought you were Survival at that point in time. I didn't want them to know that it was me, and I didn't realize that I'd freely given an OC that information. If I hadn't told you, while you guys might've worried that it was me, you wouldn't have known for certain, and my claim about forgetting to invest that cycle could've been true since I had a horrible headache that night and it's believable that I could've forgotten to invest due to it. That comment was made to throw off the person I'd invested in. Simple as that.

 

But I'm sure you already know that.

 

If it is true then tell me why she didn't have Endowment, the only guaranteed non eliminator, kill Odium?  How about the Bloodsealer that killed Winter?  Wilson knows who that is but didn't get them to place a skele on Odium either.  How about Hoid who has a roleblock?  Any of these would've been better than what she did.  

 

I already explained exactly what was going on. The Bloodsealer was on Honour. Should we have put the Bloodsealer on Odium. In retrospect, yes, we should've, but that would've meant roleblocking Honour, and I didn't really feel comfortable doing that since I was not 100% certain that Honour was evil. I was only 95% certain, and I knew that if I was wrong, Honour had a high chance of being targeted and I was asking him to lash himself. If I was wrong, and Honour had been attacked while we were roleblocking him, Honour would've died and I wasn't willing to make that sacrifice.

 

Wait, don't tell me.  It was in order to lock Odium down.  But Odium can just give up his Shard giving it to a fellow Eliminator.  So we may learn who Odium was but would still have to waste a lynch in order to kill someone who knows is being targeted.  Instead she contacted Maill.  Someone who has threatened and lied to many players for what?  Move a kill?  Why move a kill when you could stop a kill?

 

I would hope that the eliminators wouldn't advocate for Odium just giving the Shard up if he gets locked down. That mechanic is in there to cope with inactive Shards, not to be abused by Shards that just don't want to play the game. If we want to do things that way, why don't I just give up Cultivation right now before Odium can Shatter me? Then we don't lose PMs, Endowment can give it to someone unknown and the OC's are back to square one.

 

That's no fun. In fact, I'd kind of view it as cheating, even if it's really just exploiting a loophole. It's still not within the spirit of the game.

 

Fun fact: When I got my role PM and I saw I was Cultivation, I told Joe that this was a death sentence. He asked if I wanted to give it up, and I said no. My reasons for that were because the RNG gave it to me, and I was going to run with it even though I knew it would kill me. And it will. I have no doubt about that.

 

Moving on, yes, I contacted Maill. I didn't initially give him any names though. I was actually trying to get the names out of him, but he gave an oath that he wouldn't give them up, and he made it clear that if I wanted to know anything, I'd have to give him the name and he'd tell me if it was one of the two. So I gave him the name. And he said it was not. I knew if Maill was lying, I'd find out in due time. And if he was telling the truth, I'd just found Odium. I know without a doubt now that Maill wasn't lying to me.

 

 

 

Edit:  Sure any Shard can Invest in Odium to see if it's true but what would they be giving up.  Honour loses protection.  Not just their Investees but their own action fails.  Preservation is unable to give an extra life to another.  Endowment gives up Ruin plus a kill.  Survival joins team Odium.  The only two Shards that could do it are Cultivation and Dominion.  But Dominion is the one up for the lynch meaning that Cultivation is the only one that can safely Invest and find out the truth without giving away something vital to the village.

 

Yep. Which is exactly why I decided to use my investiture for that. Mine is the least harmful in the hands of an eliminator, and if I can find a Shard with it, why not?

 

Disclaimer: I was not expecting to find a Shard my very first time investing to find a Shard. Yes, Hael was my highest suspect, but that doesn't mean a darn thing. I was shocked when my investiture failed. To be completely honest, I'm also slightly disappointed, because while the luck is absurd (I've had copious amounts of luck this game and I've no idea where it's come from), it also affects the game and I think a team evil of Alvron and Hael and who knows who else is one of the best things ever (second only to a team evil of Alvron and Wilson ), and if my luck hadn't been so good, I can only imagine what that team could get up to. So I'm disappointed that I couldn't see it. Especially since I've been waiting since Hael's first game for him to be evil because I knew it was going to be good.

 

Firstly because so far Wilson has been the one controlling the info but only now seems to know who is who, and also I don't like how this game is going, where most of us don't even need to do anything because Cult has it all sorted out.

 

Look, Stink, I'm sorry that you don't have much info, but I've been keeping you in the loop as much as I've been able to. I'm not "controlling" anything. Have I been suggesting stuff? Yes, and while my suggestions have been worded in a "Can you do this?" type of fashion, I guarantee that if anyone said "I'd prefer not; can I do something else?" I would bend over backwards to provide them with more options that they're more amenable to. I'd also watch them a little closer, but I wouldn't threaten them with death or anything of the like. I'm not controlling this game. Yes, I had a lot of information, but the reason why I'm only now starting to put things together is because it's only now that I have all of the relevant pieces to do so. Until you are in a similar position of information and direction, don't make it seem like it would be so much easier for you. I guarantee it's not as easy as it looks and I'm doing the best I can.

 

And I don't have it all sorted out. You can't even imagine how incorrect that is and how many other people I have to consult and get help from. I can't do this all by myself. Not even remotely. Nor would I ever want to, not just because of the pressure and responsibility of that but because that's not fun for anyone, and I play these games to have fun. And I try to play them in a way that keeps other people having fun too.

 

I promise that I'm not trying to keep you out of things. I'm including you as much as I can. I know you want all the information and everything because you want all the pieces that everyone knows, but I can't do that, because I don't even know all pieces. 

 

If Cult is inno, then we can just lynch who she wanted to lynch later, but even Endowment is killing people instead of handing out shards because of Cult saying so, and with Endowment being the only true inno we can trust, communication with her is the best option,but even the list of who should get shards is provided by Cult!

 

That's quite frankly an absolutely terrible idea because if we lynch me and I am innocent, while yes, we can go and lynch Dominion later, that's also giving Dominion and Odium an extra cycle to redirect protection and Shatter a Shard. If we don't lynch Dominion this turn, a Shard will be Shattered tonight. Protection can only spread so far.

 

And you make it seem like Endowment's had so many options of giving out Shards. She's had one Shard come to her, and yes, it's being passed back to her every turn so she can kill with it, but there are reasons for that, and I promise that the next Shard she gets (Dominion) will be going to a player. She will not be keeping it. And the thing with Ruin isn't because I said so. It's because it's the only kill we have outside of the lynch and I'm trying to direct it to kill those I suspect are OC's. (Sorry, Araris and Ostrich. My bad, though in my defense, Ostrich's PM was distinctly unhelpful, on par with Hael's, so I'd make that call again. Araris was just bad luck)

 

The list of who get Shards is only provided by me because I'm the one in contact with the Awakeners and I know who they've scanned. Would you rather I let Endowment fly blind?

Edited September 11, 2015 by little wilson
formatting, grammar

[Macen he/him]

How about we plan this. If alv is innocent, we lynch Wilson next? I personally do find it fishy that Odium has not killed anyone except shards and our village kills / lynches have all killed only good guys / no one. I still currently trust Wilson based on what information I've obtained, but that might change if Alv turns out to be innocent.

[little wilson she/her]

If Alv is innocent, I'll eat my hat.

 

That's a promise.

[Haelbarde he/him]

If Alv is innocent, I'll eat my hat.

 

That's a promise.

Video it or it didn't happen.

[Macen he/him]

If Alv is innocent, I'll eat my hat.

 

That's a promise.

Not the hat!?

[little wilson she/her]

Video it or it didn't happen.

 

Done. But it's not going to happen anyway, because he's totally evil. You can sense the evil incarnate coming from him. Check his sig. He even admits that he's evil incarnate!

 

Edit:

 

See?

[Macen he/him]

I just went through and read Alv's signature. I'm not going to lie, I read this:

Two honorspren (Corrupted by Calamity) LG9

 

As "Two honorspren (Corrupted by Chlamydia)"

Needless to say, I was a bit off.

[Quiver he/him]

... And...this kind of analysis is why I have sort of faded back a little bit during this game, and stopped playing these altogether.

(Seriously. I can't keep up with this sort of subterfuge. At the same time, I kinda desperately want to see a Death Note remake starring you guys.)

So... I have nothing to off-set that analysis. So...

Alv. Sorry...

[dowanx]

If Wilson is an OC wouldn't Endowment be in trouble?  While you have some good points Alvron my vote is staying on you.

[Clanky he/him]

If Wilson is an OC wouldn't Endowment be in trouble?  While you have some good points Alvron my vote is staying on you.

If Endowment trusted  OC Wilson there would be no reason for the OCs to kill endowment since they could direct the ruin kills and donation of shards.

 

Also I will second Quivers call for the Death Note remake.

[Macen he/him]

If Wilson is an OC wouldn't Endowment be in trouble?  While you have some good points Alvron my vote is staying on you.

Since Endowment doesn't get shattered if the holder dies,  it would be counter-productive for the OC to kill endowment when they have figured out who holds it (as Clanky mentioned). Also, if Wilson is an OC, then they have knowledge of who every shard is. That would line up with how every odium attack has hit a shard holder... but it could also be that someone wilson trusts is an OC, or it could be just luck.

The ploy that wilson did the other night with blocking the two people who she thought might be odium confuses me slightly though. If odium knew about that plan, you would think Odium would have NOT attacked that night (making it look like one of the roleblocks hit odium, so we lynched a shard).

So, this is what makes me think that Wilson is probably good, because she could have used that gambit to get the villagers to lynch a good shard, and wasting a day of discussion.

I'm going to go with Wilson for now, if Alv turns out to be good, then either Wilson, or one of her most trusted people, are Odium/OC Shard.

[little wilson she/her]

The ploy that wilson did the other night with blocking the two people who she thought might be odium confuses me slightly though. If odium knew about that plan, you would think Odium would have NOT attacked that night (making it look like one of the roleblocks hit odium, so we lynched a shard).

 

Not exactly. See, it was like this:

 

Day 3: I invest in Hael, and try to secret vote on Alvom. My investment fails and my vote does not succeed. Maill, Kipper, Seonid, and Endowment are the only ones who knew that I was investing in someone hoping to find a Shard.

 

Night 3: I tell Maill that my investment did faill (I'd told Maill in the last hour of the day cycle), and ask him for the names of the two who claimed Dominion and Survival. He refuses, saying he swore an oath, and if I want his help, I need to give him the name otherwise I can go search out Dominion and Survival myself. I tell him it was Hael. Maill responds immediately saying that Hael is not one of them and to kill him. However, I don't want to kill Odium; I want to lock him down.

While responding to a PM from Alv, I mention that one of the Awakeners is being paranoid toward me, but I don't mind because I have a tasty development of my own to keep me busy: my investment failed during the day.

Alv asks who the Shard is and if I sent a message.

I ignore these questions and say that I'll tell him the story after the game or after we're both dead.

Seonid, Kipper, and I discuss how to lock Hael down. I contemplated briefly having Endowment kill him, but ultimately decided against it. We decide to have Hoid roleblock Hael.

Honour was supposed to invest in a Worldhopper. While talking to this Worldhopper, he tells me that he was not invested in and he says Honour must be lying. He asks if Honour has actually done anything to prove that they are Honour, and it occurs to me that they haven't. And if Honour is evil, Honour and Odium could've switched places, with Odium claiming to be Honour hoping that we will then protect Odium, thinking that he's Honour (A risky gambit, for sure, but if it paid off, that would be brilliant).

We decide to put the Bloodsealer on Honour, since I'm more certain that Hael is Odium, and less certain that Honour is, and I still don't want to kill Odium.

I talk to Maill, and he says he'll try to get in touch with the person who claimed Dominion to change the investment of Odium to someone of our own choosing. The point of this is because if we kill Odium after we've had him invest in someone of our own choosing, we get Odium, and the OC's lose both their kills. Personally, I'm a fan of this plan.

 

It's since become clear that this is what happened on the OC's end of things:

Hael tells the doc that he was invested in, but the investment had no message. He has no idea who invested in him.

Alv hears from me that I invested in a Shard. He, being the deducing person that he is, knows that I invested in Hael.

Alv knows who Hoid is. They figured that I'm probably going to try to roleblock Hael to make sure he actually is Odium. He redirects Hoid's roleblock.

Hael tries to kill me, since they have to get rid of me before I can figure out that I actually invested in Odium. I survive, thanks to a lashing.

The Champion tries to kill Maill, and I suspect this was because of Maill's knowledge and they were hoping to take him out with me and set the village back a lot in terms of information and knowledge.

 

 

So basically, they had to react since I'd caught Odium. There was no other option. Sure, Honour would've been on the hook too, and that would've sucked to kill Honour, but it's arguably worse for them to have Odium locked down.

 

 

EDIT: to clarify, the issue with Honour and Honour's investee has since been revealed to have been a mistake. Honour did invest in this person, but Joe forgot to let them know. He told us shortly after the night results since we were scrambling and he knew that his mistake had messed with our plans (I do not fault Joe for this mistake one bit. Mistakes happen)

Edited September 11, 2015 by little wilson

[STINK he/him]

Wilson  

 

Honestly, I don't mind how this game is going but seeing multiple people say it isn't a coalition then basically do exactly what it would do is a bit irritating, but if it wins the game then at the end of the day it was a win. 

 

I don't really need to vote for anyone, do I?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

But a fun game is much more important than a win, Stink. I'd rather lose and have it be a fun game than one I won but was boring.

[STINK he/him]

Are you saying that you are already losing?

[little wilson she/her]

Honestly, I don't mind how this game is going but seeing multiple people say it isn't a coalition then basically do exactly what it would do is a bit irritating, but if it wins the game then at the end of the day it was a win. 

 

I'm confused. Yes, we've been saying it's not a Coalition. But I don't see how we've been acting like a Coalition. Maybe it's that we're defining these things differently.

 

When I think of a Coalition, I think of a sort of "dictatorship," where there's one leader (or a small group of leaders) and what they say is law. No one has any chance of saying anything else, they don't consult anyone else, and that's just the way things are. No one can speak out against them, lest they anger the law, and fear punishment (typically death or threat of death). Yes, there have been dictatorships in these games. I've disliked them every time, and every time I've been put in a position of leadership, I actively try not to act like that.

 

I trust Seonid and Kipper and Endowment. we've got a good thing going right now and we're figuring things out, but it's not just us working on things. We've got a Normal Worldhopper or two helping out, 3 different Awakeners, a Lifeless Operator, and a Bloodsealer, plus a couple Shards and Hoid. And everyone's opinion bears weight. No one is more important than anyone else because we all need each other to figure out what's going.

 

To me, that's not a Coalition. That's the village working together, and yes, there's a leader, but they're not a dictator. But maybe I'm only saying that because I can't see my dictatorial ways.

[STINK he/him]

I'm seeing it as it happening, but not in the way of a dictator but more of the thing where people are not voting but telling others to vote, and while having a 'core' of people you can trust is good, I don't like how (and this might just be because of how this game is working, and I might just be biased as I can't see others PM's) there seems to only be one mouthpiece, so while we get the one vocal person saying they trust this and that, the other people are never even saying anything in public or might not even be PMing other players as they leave that job to the person who is connected to this and that. It presents what is said to be the opinion of a group as this one persons opinion, but instead of having a threat of death to scare people away, it's more that everyone knows that Wilson is connected to many people, so if Wilson dies then we have no idea how her allies will react.