Long Game 14: To Shatter a Shard

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

It was Endowment, PK. Well, I want to thank my benefactor, whoever it was.

 

I thought Endowment could only use Ruin's Shardic ability once, then it was gone forever, and didn't Endowment use it last cycle?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Someone uncovered a loophole in the rules.

[Haelbarde he/him]

 He threw his arms into the air in triumph. “I’m still alive!”

Are you doing science?

Do you feel FANTASTIC?

Are you GLaDOS?

[Metacognition he/him]

Got to admit, it was a huge success either way. It's almost enough to make me state me overstate our satisfaction while watching this game. 

 

Sorry for the interruption. It's just that we do what we must, because we can. I assure you all though, that it is entirely for the good of all of us here. 

 

....Well, expect those that are dead, of course. 

 

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. It happens after all, and you just gotta keep trying! Plus, I heard there was cake in the Dead Docs! 

 

-And I'm done. Couldn't help myself.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Metacognition

[little wilson she/her]

Any chance Wilson has pulled a WGG?

It's interesting to me that despite two people getting hit and Maill previously having far more suspicion around him you only suggest me. Wouldn't it have been more natural to suggest that one of the hits could've been a WGG? Rather than specifying which hit? See, now I'm thinking that Maill must be the WGG and you know it so you're covering for him by attempting to place suspicion on me. There's clearly something going on here, since it took over a day for someone to suggest in the thread that Kipper's attack was a WGG. But less than 30 minutes for this. What's so different about this attack?

[Paranoid King he/him]

Someone uncovered a loophole in the rules.

Endowment invested in the same person she killed, didn't she?

EDIT: also, Wilson, I figure there's only the tiniest chance that you pulled a WGG, and I figure that's enough to trust you. My first post was mostly sarcasm.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Paranoid King

[little wilson she/her]

Well, my vote this turn is going on Second of the Sky, who I believe is the OC Shard of Dominion. See, Maill had no protection last night. So how did he survive? Obviously, it must've been because Dominion pulled a protection ability off of someone, and I actually think I know exactly who they pulled from. I also suspect that Maill is Odium himself, and has been using this aggressive playstyle in hopes that he would attract just enough suspicion for people to lynch him or someone to set a skeletal on him and kill him so the Shard would go elsewhere.

 

Why am I announcing this in the thread? Well, that's because there's no reason to keep it hidden. Maill and Alv are both in the loop enough to know that the plan I'd had of locking down who I thought was Odium and the OC Shard failed and that we'd be madly scrambling. 

 

So why should we kill Dominion and not Odium? We need to remove their manipulation abilities first and foremost. Only then will we be able to accurately roleblock Odium. We do not want to kill Odium. If we kill him, we lose track of him. So long as he is alive and locked down, he cannot kill a Shard.

[Clanky he/him]

Who attacked maill last cycle then? Endowement killed Ostrich, Odium attacked Wilson. That leaves the Odiums investee to attack maill. So why would Alv(OC Dominion?) attempt to move anything onto maill then if he was already going to die?

 

In fact why wouldn't maill have tried to survive as Odium instead of moving right into trying to get lynched mode?

 

 

EDIT: Forgot that Odiums investee can't kill him. Makes sense now

 

EDIT2: Wrote can instead of can't. Oops

Edited September 10, 2015 by Clanky

[little wilson she/her]

The Champ can't kill Odium. The investee cannot kill a Shard. The best they can do is remove protection/extra life from a Shard. I think the reason we haven't seen a second attack until last night is because the Champ has been attacking Odium while Dominion has been testing players, redirecting actions, waiting until they find a protection role, since if Dominion redirects protection onto Odium, the Champ will hit that protection and it will show up in the writeup. Hence, the second attack.

[Macen he/him]

I will also be placing my vote on Second of Sky (Alvron). So, now we just need to figure out who the other OC are... hmmmm.

[STINK he/him]

All the fun gets taken out the game when they don't even try to defend themselves..

[little wilson she/her]

All the fun gets taken out the game when they don't even try to defend themselves..

 

Oh, trust me, Alv will defend himself. I'd be truly surprised if he rolled over and took this without complaint. Surprised and disappointed. I'm nearly certain the only reason he hasn't yet is because he's in NZ and it's only barely a reasonable hour in the morning there. Give it a few hours more.

[STINK he/him]

It's not just Alv you've accused though

[little wilson she/her]

It's not just Alv you've accused though

 

True. Maill's an interesting case.

 

I want to say that Alv's guilt does not necessitate Maill's guilt. Maill is currently the person that makes the most sense to be Odium, according to the knowledge I have right now. Even if Maill is not Odium, that does not mean that Alv is not an OC.

 

To explain, I've had a vibe since the beginning of the game that Alv was evil. However, I had no proof to back it up. When Orlok died, I had a bit of proof and voted for him. He had an explanation for that, though and it assuaged my suspicions enough that my proof was gone. But the vibe was still there. My instincts told me he was evil. I've got a PM with him, and we've been talking a fair bit. At one point, he heavily implied that he was a Normal Worldhopper, and it was shortly after that that I started getting this feeling that he was playing with me. It reminded me of the way a cat plays with a mouse before he eats it. I've told multiple people about my concerns with that, since that happened at least a cycle and a half ago. I grew a little concerned he was Odium himself, messing with me right before he Shattered me.

 

Separately from this, I'd been trying to find out which other Shard was an OC, since I was positive they had one. The easiest option was Dominion, but I could've also seen Honour/Preservation being on the team. Depending on which Shard it was, the distribution of the minor roles would vary. Yesterday, I became convinced that Honour was the OC, since counting Alvom, I knew of 3 LO's and I believed all 3 were good. I knew there was no way we'd have 3 LO's and both protective Shards. However, thanks to the night's results, I'm able to clear Honour with quite a lot of certainty. Preservation has proven themselves. Which leaves Dominion, since Ruin is dead, Endowment is safe, and I know it's not me (though I understand that others don't have the same certainty).

 

I asked an Awakener to scan Alv. The scan came back as a Sel Shard. Devotion is dead. He must be Dominion.

 

As for why I think Maill is Odium. I've already partially explained this, but he had no protection on himself last night. Now, we had a roleblock on the person we thought was Odium and a Skeletal on Honour, just in case Honour and Odium had pulled a double blind and Odium was posing as Honour. Since "Odium" was roleblocked, his kill wouldn't get through, but Maill said he would contact the person who had claimed Dominion to get them to redirect the investment to someone of our choosing (I was pretty sure Odium had invested during the day, but this was just a precaution). After the rollover, I contacted "Odium" to ask which Shard they were, since clearly they weren't Odium. Survival. Okay. Well, Maill had said he was in contact with Survival too, and it wasn't this person. I told Maill that whomever had claimed Survival was a liar, and Maill basically said that it was Alv who'd claimed it.

 

Now, you might be wondering if Maill was Odium and Alv is Dominion, why is Maill giving up Alv? I don't really have an explanation for that, but what I do know is that the night results as they pertain to Maill come down to this:

 

1. Maill knew Alv was Dominion
   • Maill is an OC
     • Maill is Odium and the OC's were using him to figure out who the protective roles are. This would explain why we haven't had any Champion kills, since the Champions have been targeting an unprotected Odium, who they cannot kill, while Dominion redirects actions from other players to Odium, until an attack hits Odium and is revealed in the writeup. When this happens, the OC's know they've found a protective role and they know who to kill.
   • Maill is not an OC
     • Maill asks Alv to redirect the action from "Odium" to our chosen player but Alv doesn't listen, instead redirecting a protection ability he knows to Maill, to set Maill up.
2. Maill did not know Alv was Dominion

• Maill is not an OC
  • Maill tried to contact the person he thought was Dominion, and he ended up being used as an unknowing pawn in the OC's game.
  • Or, Maill is a Thug and will soon die when he runs out of pewter.

I'm pretty sure that's all the scenarios, since the only options for Maill's survival are that he is a Thug or Dominion redirected a protection role to him, and either he knew about Dominion's identity or he did not. Regardless, of those scenarios, the first makes the most sense to me at this point in time. Given a team with no protective Shards, it makes sense that the OC's would want to find the protective Shards and what better way to do that than use the Champion kill on Odium and Dominion's redirect on players suspected of having a protective role? The Champ kill won't show up in the write up since Odium is unprotected and when it does, they've found a protective role that they can then double tap and remove from the game.

 

Or at least, that's what I'd probably do in their position, with a redirect Shard and no protective Shards, but up against two protective Shards. Whether or not they actually did it is unclear.

 

EDIT: I'm not sure what's going on with those bullet points, but pretend that the bullet points under 2 are tabbed over so they're on par with the bullet points under 1.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I can be a great asset for the Village if I am allowed to live. Wilson has not considered every scenario. My vote is on Hael. for lying about his role.

[little wilson she/her]

Maill, given this new information, I think it's best if we keep Hael locked down and kill Dominion, rather than killing Odium himself.

 

And to enlighten everyone else: Hael was "Odium". Last cycle, I'd decided to use my investment to discover Shards, and during the day, I invested in Hael, since Hael was my biggest suspect due to his responses to my PM with him. My investment failed. Stupidly, I told Alv about this, without using names, so they knew that I was onto them. I didn't tell Alv any of the plan, but as he knew that Hoid was invested with Ruin, it wouldn't take much to guess that we were planning on locking Hael down so of course Alv redirected that roleblock. Then when I approached Hael to ask what Shard he was, he claimed Survival knowing that it would get me to back off.

 

Long story short: Hael is Odium and Alv is Dominion. And they are both definitely evil.

[Clanky he/him]

I would like to hear from Alvron before deciding who to vote for. There is a lot of speculation in Wilsons reasoning and I don't want to kill a shard without at least hearing a defense.

 

 

Also I will be without internet for the weekend as I am out at camp.

 

 

EDIT: Ninjad by Wilson

Edited September 10, 2015 by Clanky

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Fine. Alv. Hael.

[little wilson she/her]

To Hal Heatherlocke, aka Odium

 

My body is still recovering from the wounds you inflicted upon it. Indeed, I thought I might not survive. It's one thing to slay a God King, but facing the Lord of Hate? I'm ashamed I let you deceive me into believing you could be anything but hate, even if you were simply claiming neutrality. One such as you doesn't know neutrality.

 

Yet, I still find myself surprised about you. See, when I found myself wrapped up in this, I wrote to my godmother. I think you might know her: Lady Kiireon. She's also known by the name Wilson. Sometimes Original Wilson. Sometimes the Brightness Ascendant. I think your family is familiar with her, for when I told her those who were involved, she swore to me that I could trust a Heatherlocke. I hate to bear the bad news to her that not all in that clan are as she thinks.

 

However, I will have to carry the news to her. She may already know it. She has ears all over the Cosmere. I know she won't be pleased to learn a Heatherlocke has turned against one of her own. I wish to advise you to run. Her wrath can be grand and fearsome, I hear. I've never been on the receiving end of it myself, since I'm her loyal Godson. Even killing MiriKas only earned me a pursing of the lips and disapproving stare. But I hear that she's protective of her family, and I'd hate to see you not get a chance at survival.

 

Please, take my advice.

 

Your friendly foe,

 

Wilkin, aka Cultivation, aka Godson of Lady Kiireon, the Brightness Ascendant

[Haelbarde he/him]

To Wilkin, Godson of the Brightness Ascendant

 

I would have normally asked after your good health, but as you already led with the fact that you came under vicious attack, I will instead pray that you might quickly recover to full health. I regret that I have no ability of my own that I could share with you to protect or heal.

 

It hurts to be called 'Liar'. I can see how you could think me such, but I have not spoken an untruth to you. My family is indeed familiar with Lady Kiireon. As I understand it, it was my forefathers who gave her her title, and so I have been raised to have a deep respect of your own family. I had hoped that we could have been friends in our time here, and wish I could prove good intentions.

 

Please bear the respect and greetings of the Heatherlocke clan when you next see Lady Kiireon, and I forgive you for whatever may come next.

 

Most humble regards,

Hal Heatherlocke
 

Edited September 10, 2015 by Haelbarde

[Shallan she/her]

I'll also vote for Alv. For the reasons stated above by Wilson. It is of course open to change.

[The Honey Badger he/him]

If Wilson says, so it must be. Alv

[Seonid he/him]

Hmm. I'd like to hear Alvron's response to Wilson's charges. That said, I find then persuasive, and will vote accordingly unless Alvron has equally persuasive arguments.

[dowanx]

I am curious to see Alvron's defense as well.

[Alvron]

Well, my vote this turn is going on Second of the Sky, who I believe is the OC Shard of Dominion. See, Maill had no protection last night. So how did he survive? Obviously, it must've been because Dominion pulled a protection ability off of someone, and I actually think I know exactly who they pulled from. I also suspect that Maill is Odium himself, and has been using this aggressive playstyle in hopes that he would attract just enough suspicion for people to lynch him or someone to set a skeletal on him and kill him so the Shard would go elsewhere.

 

Why am I announcing this in the thread? Well, that's because there's no reason to keep it hidden. Maill and Alv are both in the loop enough to know that the plan I'd had of locking down who I thought was Odium and the OC Shard failed and that we'd be madly scrambling. 

 

So why should we kill Dominion and not Odium? We need to remove their manipulation abilities first and foremost. Only then will we be able to accurately roleblock Odium. We do not want to kill Odium. If we kill him, we lose track of him. So long as he is alive and locked down, he cannot kill a Shard.

An interesting argument.  Completely devoid of proof but interesting.  I freely admit that I am Dominion.  What I dispute is that I'm working for Odium.

 

I have known you were Cultivation since the first day.  Yet you are still alive.  We both know that if I was an Eliminator I would be advocating for your death above all others.  You lived after Phatt was lynched thanks to me bringing up the lifeless rule.  Why would I do that if I was an eliminator?

 

I have had extremely little information to work with.  Yet the Eliminators knew who to attack.  Orlok was attacked and killed when only a few knew his role.  Kipper was attacked, Maill was attacked, Wilson was attacked.  All Shards.  How many knew that all these people were Shards?  Only those in the Not a Coalition Party.  Not a single worldhopper was attacked by Team Odium.  The odds of that are astronomical.

 

No, I believe that it was someone on the inside that has been directing the attacks.  Someone who controls the flow of information.  Someone who has been directing the moves of everyone.  Calling the shots.

 

I say that Wilson is the one working with Odium.  Only Wilson knew what was happening behind the scenes.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Wilson has been the one to direct Endowments use of Ruins kill.  And if she is then why did she not get Endowment to attack the one she 'suspected' of being Odium?  The answer is clear.  Wilson is evil.