Meg Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 For completeness: Here's the quote Argent meant: Cheese NinjaNightwatcher's curses all appear to be neurological in effect, are the boons limited in any particular manner?Brandon SandersonYes. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Oh. Wow. I definitely misread that. Sorry! I still do wonder, since Rock can see Syl even when she doesn't reveal herself, are there those who just can never see spren ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 ...are there those who just can never see spren ever. Blind people. Was that tasteless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 A little bit. And I'm not sure you're right, given that Shallan only sees her spren in her pictures and Elhokar in the mirror, I think there might be kind of an "imaging" for blind, but susceptible people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 A little bit. And I'm not sure you're right, given that Shallan only sees her spren in her pictures and Elhokar in the mirror, I think there might be kind of an "imaging" for blind, but susceptible people. I was thinking more in terms of ironsight from Scadrial. They establish at some point that Vin sees the lines, even the ones behind her, even with her eyes closed, and obviously there are inquisitors. That might make a bad-chull warrior, someone who is blind and sees via spren... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Whoever "Jaddeth" really is, would he actually rise if everyone on Sel worshipped him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Seems like that's gonna be a major component of the plot of Elantris 2, so I sorta doubt that would get anything but a RAFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I don't think the power of prayer / worship affects a being's own power. But Jaddeth being a "minor rock god" (or something to that effect) might tie him to TES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Do the Spiritual and the Cognitive realm interact without the Physical or the direct intervention of a Shard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I doubt it, but then again I have a whole heap of philosophical commitments to allowing Cognitive–Spiritual (Hey! I used an en-dash!) interactions. See my reply to your post if you want some details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I saw it, and I'm still not convinced. I think that getting an answer to this question would be useful for future theorizing. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4368-shardblades-with-stormlight-major-spoilers-for-mistborn-some-spoilers-for-way-of-kings/page-2#entry69542'>Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Fair enough. I've just always thought it best to get all the information out there so that potential question-askers can evaluate which questions to pick out. Edited October 23, 2013 by Kurkistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 />I don't think the power of prayer / worship affects a being's own power. But Jaddeth being a "minor rock god" (or something to that effect) might tie him to TES. Well IT might make it eaiser to him to use his power like how people Worshipng The Survivor make kelsier better at doing things in physical realm, so it is not exactly mmaking him stronger, but means he can do MORE things so its basically the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 That bit about Kel is a common theory, one I even espouse, but not confirmed unless I've missed hearing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 WEll He waso nly able to talk to spook because spook was the only one who worshiped him as a god so that is precedent for bieng able to do more things with people who worship you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Mmm, that is true, but there's still no proof that it makes Kel better at anything, just that he can talk to Spook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 />Mmm, that is true, but there's still no proof that it makes Kel better at anything, just that he can talk to Spook. He Is better at talking to spook! :D :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Not necessarily. It seems more likely to me that they simply have a sort of link due to Spook's belief in Kel, not that it's giving Kel any sort of powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Well, if Kelsier held the power of Preservation doesn't that make him a Splinter? Or maybe a Sliver? Either of these would attribute some power to him. firstRainbowRose (17 October 2008)I just wanted to add in my two cents and say it was absolutely brilliant... and I think I'm starting to be able to breath again (crying that much hurts)...I also really loved that there's an "cameo" for Kelsier at the end... that made me really happy to see. Brandon Sanderson (17 October 2008) Glad you liked the book, Rainbow! You may want to note that the moment Preservation dropped out and let the last of his consciousness die, someone was waiting in the Cognitive Realm to seize the power and hold on for a short period until Vin could take it up more fully. You'll find him using it to whisper in moments of great stress in the book, to one person in specific in two places. (I'll bet someone on here has already found them.) He never could just let things well enough alone.... FootnoteThe person Brandon mentions is Spook. After the spike is removed, Kelsier prompts him to send the letter to Vin, and then prompts him to send people underground. Unless we were made aware of how much power he had access to, I don't see how we would know if he was able to gain access to more power. I also don't think that their is loose investiture on Scadrial. Drop Kelsier on Sel or Roshar, and he might have a chance at taking up additional power, especially Roshar where some of the loose investiture was left behind by Adonalsium and may be unaspected power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Splinter, definitely not. It's just not what Splinters are. Sliver, however, is possible. We know very little about how they work, but the definition of a Splinter does state that one must hold the power of a Shard and then lose it. That's all. Now, maybe there is an implication that only living people can be Splinters, but I can see how this could not be a real requirement, just a trend. After all, I can't imagine Preservation's situation being too common in the cosmere. It makes sense, actually. Kelsier, hanging out in the Spiritual (?) Realm after his death snatched the power of Preservation, but without a living physical body, his influence over the Physical Realm could've been severely diminished. So he, unlike Vin or Sazed, couldn't move the planet around, or change the landscape, or play god - but he could talk to Spook. Likely because the kid really believed in him, and belief qualifies as a form of connectedness - something that canonically falls under the Spiritual Realm's domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Kelsier is confirmed to be a Sliver after the events of the Mistborn Trilogy. I also believe that he was hanging around in the Cognitive Realm not the Spiritual Realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 That always bothered me - nothing I understand about the cosmere points towards the Cognitive as a possible waiting room. The souls of the dead go to the Spiritual. The power of the Shards likely comes from - and presumably goes back - there. Yet Kelsier goes to Shadesmar? I can see how his supposed divinity could be a cognitive thing, given that the Cognitive Realm deals with how others see you (and how you see yourself, but that's irrelevant here), but it still bothers me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 That always bothered me - nothing I understand about the cosmere points towards the Cognitive as a possible waiting room. The souls of the dead go to the Spiritual. The power of the Shards likely comes from - and presumably goes back - there. Yet Kelsier goes to Shadesmar? I can see how his supposed divinity could be a cognitive thing, given that the Cognitive Realm deals with how others see you (and how you see yourself, but that's irrelevant here), but it still bothers me... The dead do not "go" to the Spiritual Realm, they pass through the higher Realms when they die but their destination is beyond the Three Realms. Kelsier decided to stick around instead of moving on. Also Brandon explicity states that Kelsier is in the Cognitive Realm in the quote in Gloom's last post (#669) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alaxel Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 1) How independently from Harmony's Intent is Sazed still able to act? 2) If something is out of harmony, Harmony will be compelled to restore harmony. Will Harmony's intent be satisfied if Scardial is in harmony, or will he eventually be driven to meddle in the whole Cosmere? I don't know if this has been addressed yet, but for a long while I subconsciously equated Harmony with balance. I think it was due to the fact that when Ruin and Preservation were both perfectly balanced, it created Harmony. However, things can be unequal and still exist in harmony. So while Odium's meddling in Roshar may offend Harmony's Intent, the fact that Adonalsium is shattered may not concern Harmony as long as everything is in harmony. Then again, it was mentioned somewhere that prior to the Shattering, there was a force opposing Adonalsium. I like to think of it as Entropy, but that's just me. So if Harmony becomes aware of all of this, will he decide it's his job to reform Adonalsium in order to restore the original harmony, or would he be satisfied creating a new harmony? (That last bit isn't meant to be a question. I just jotted down a few random musings that lead me to my two questions. Maybe they'll inspire better questions in someone else.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 It's my own understanding that "Harmony" doesn't really have an Intent. It's mostly just Sazed in the middle with Ruin and Preservation balancing each other out. I agree, though, in that I also doubt that Harmony is seeking to create some brute "balance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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