the k01055 come LG112 - Metacycle Five: AfterPseudo

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@The Unknown Medallion for the purposes of PMs, are folks still considered "alive" in the pseudogame even after it has ended?

We have 12 players, and if the same numbers were used across games, 4 meta-elims left. With a conversion, we are really at 7-5, which means we're kinda hosed. We would need perfect executions every turn for the remainder of the game, which seems hard enough without a conversion taking place.

@Through the Living Hopper Did you ever provide a list of the folks you scanned? At the very least, no more than one person from that list can be elim post-conversion.

I'm going to tentatively disagree on Divergent, or at least on his vote switch being alignment indicative. I think the majority of vocal folks wanted to end the pspeudogame sooner rather than later, and it wouldn't make much sense for an elim to out themselves to achieve that inevitable end. Not to mention that it's likely there was enough investiture floating around to do a vote manip without switching votes in the thread.

I'm currently fine with the coco exe, since I think there are multiple lines of evidence that support her as an elim. After that, I'd say I'm somewhat convinced Hoid is elim as well. That would fit as the pseudo-elim mole.

Consider them to be dead for PM purposes

21 minutes ago, Stardust said:

Okay, I’m going to put all the actions I took below, you guys can read that if you want. First, though, I need to ask the GMs @The Unknown Medallion@Through the living Wahr I’m not a coinshot, Im a tineye. Is that a mistake, or did you forget to tell me something in my GM PM? 
Edit: okay, you said it right in the write up, just not in the spoiler box where you list all the players. 
 

Okay, here are all of my actions. I don’t have an ability Metacycle, so I didn’t do anything there. 
P1: I gave three investure to Striker. So yeah, I was one of the people who got duped by Striker. 
P2: I sent the tineye message because I was pretty ticked at Striker. I then gave two investure to coco, who I thought I could trust

P3: I gave two investure to striker and two to TJ

P4: I forgot to submit an action, but I was going to submit the kill for the pseudo elims. 
P5: I was going to move to threnody, but the kill was forced upon me, which was randomized to kill Qian. 
 

Well, thats it for me. I have more analysis I want to do, but I’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait till tomorrow. 
Coco

That was a copy and pasting error (I was using Xino to get the red)

I will fix it

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

5 hours ago, |TJ| said:

edit: but yes, leaning Qian as the Coinshot over Diver over Mippo

[Verdant, Coco, Qian/Dive, Mole] team

Ehhh, it would be very obvious and suspicious, and the reasoning you gave (if they said they were convinced by your reasoning) would be v v tame

They had an evil Coinshot who was hidden. Why wouldn't they use that over revealing their hand by killing themselves?

I am in agreement with TJ here

2 hours ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Consider them to be dead for PM purposes

That was a copy and pasting error (I was using Xino to get the red)

I will fix it

Wait can we use PMs or not?

I don’t know the rules

[Araris Valerian he/him]

13 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I am in agreement with TJ here

That's curious, given that you are the largest suspect for the mole in question.

13 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Wait can we use PMs or not?

I don’t know the rules

If you're alive in the metagame then you can use PMs.

[Myst He/Him]

36 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

That's curious, given that you are the largest suspect for the mole in question.

If you're alive in the metagame then you can use PMs.

I highly doubt both coco and Hoid are meta elim

[Araris Valerian he/him]

16 minutes ago, Myst said:

I highly doubt both coco and Hoid are meta elim

Why?

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why?

Well, I think we can reasonably say the GM who converted TJ is probably village. And I’m 90% sure Hoid’s said GM(I have no confirmation of this though, unless he claimed in the dead doc since I last looked)

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

46 minutes ago, Myst said:

I highly doubt both coco and Hoid are meta elim

As do I

For, uhh, obvious reasons

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

That's curious, given that you are the largest suspect for the mole in question.

Oh

And why's that?

19 minutes ago, Myst said:

Well, I think we can reasonably say the GM who converted TJ is probably village. And I’m 90% sure Hoid’s said GM(I have no confirmation of this though, unless he claimed in the dead doc since I last looked)

Hoid has confirmed no such thing

[Myst He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

As do I

For, uhh, obvious reasons

Oh

And why's that?

Hoid has confirmed no such thing

And Hoid shouldn’t confirm such thing.

Also I’m of the opinion Xino is the mole

[Divergent He/Him]

20 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Sorry Lettuce. I guess I was wrong. I don't really love Divergent's switch from mippo to lettuce two hours before rollover though.

My availability has just mostly been nights in my timezone tbh, and I changed my mind partly because of Araris' point about Mippo and partly because I wanted to advance the game and just hope my thought was right about the bet

17 hours ago, |TJ| said:

M-Cycle 1: 

X pseudo-GM -> Changes TJ's role to Tineye
Verdance -> Nothing

M-Cycle 2:

X pseudo-GM -> Changes Hoid Slayer's role to Coinshot
Verdance -> Changes Coco's role to Coinshot

M-Cycle 3: 

X pseudo-GM -> Changes TJ's role to Coinshot
Verdance -> Nothing

M-Cycle 4: 

Verdance -> Changes someone's to Coinshot

 

I believe the way this has gone is - they've been cautious at the start, not converting at first to check if there was a pseudo-IM, then going ahead with it when they though there isn't one, then again NOT converting in the cycle they killed me because I could see who was getting converted and then converted someone again after I died to kill off Star. 

I believe Coco is evil along with a mole from the pseduo-elim doc.

 

Hmm that makes sense, but how do we know that it was Coco that Verdance turned rather than Hoid?

16 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@The Unknown Medallion for the purposes of PMs, are folks still considered "alive" in the pseudogame even after it has ended?

We have 12 players, and if the same numbers were used across games, 4 meta-elims left. With a conversion, we are really at 7-5, which means we're kinda hosed. We would need perfect executions every turn for the remainder of the game, which seems hard enough without a conversion taking place.

@Through the Living Hopper Did you ever provide a list of the folks you scanned? At the very least, no more than one person from that list can be elim post-conversion.

I'm going to tentatively disagree on Divergent, or at least on his vote switch being alignment indicative. I think the majority of vocal folks wanted to end the pspeudogame sooner rather than later, and it wouldn't make much sense for an elim to out themselves to achieve that inevitable end. Not to mention that it's likely there was enough investiture floating around to do a vote manip without switching votes in the thread.

I'm currently fine with the coco exe, since I think there are multiple lines of evidence that support her as an elim. After that, I'd say I'm somewhat convinced Hoid is elim as well. That would fit as the pseudo-elim mole.

I hope it didn't start with 5... especially that this side of the game has conversions if they win the bet

14 hours ago, |TJ| said:

edit: but yes, leaning Qian as the Coinshot over Diver over Mippo

[Verdant, Coco, Qian/Dive, Mole] team

Ehhh, it would be very obvious and suspicious, and the reasoning you gave (if they said they were convinced by your reasoning) would be v v tame

They had an evil Coinshot who was hidden. Why wouldn't they use that over revealing their hand by killing themselves?

I was Spiked btw, idk if Twin performed any actions since I got a new PM when I subbed in (though I'm asking now if there were any) and I didn't perform any actions since idk if there was a benefit to using it when I started

15 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Wait, why can we clear Lettuce?

I talked about it yesterday too, but I don't think it can be Lettuce since they've only spoken like twice in the game, and I feel like the meta elims would have encouraged them to speak or they'd get replaced out by now for inactivity

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Heya guys

As it turns out, I have a confessions to make

I tried to keep this moderately secret until now cause I didn’t want to get targeted by the elims, but TJ has helped me realize it is really useless now and it might be useful information for the village

I am the other PseudoGM.

Cycle 1, I made TJ Tineye, cause I thought he might be the mole and I wanted to incapacitate him without making him vanilla (in which case he’d have been able to upgrade again with enough investiture)

Cycle 2, I made myself Coinshot, with the ideas of:

a) giving myself power, which I like

b) proceeding to claim in the elim doc that I’d been converted to Tineye as well, alerting the elim mole that there was some Pseudo-elim PseudoGM going around deliberately weakening p-elims and hopefully eliciting a reaction from them

Naturally, I didn’t realize about the abilities of a PseudoIM (that’s what I get for skimming the rules) and so those plans didn’t last long

Cycle 3, I made TJ a Coinshot, cause as I explained to him, I liked the idea of having someone I know is good weaponized and capable of fighting crowd consensus when necessary

Cycle 4, I planned on creating another Coinshot, but never decided on who and forgot to put in the order

I wrote the PseudoGM writeups for the first few cycles, before my activity went down

Any questions?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Any questions?

Why do these actions seem like they would line up pretty well with a meta-elim who is feeling out what the attitude toward a village win in the pseudogame will be? I'll have to go reread things, but my general impression is that folks came to a mild consensus early on that we should be killing pseudo-elims. Given the meta-elim bet, they could pretty much do anything in the pseudogame once that opinion began to solidify. So the later pseudocycles are somewhat irrelevant for solving the metagame, IMO.

[|TJ| he/him]

@Araris Valerian, I think the biggest point for v!Hoid Slayer was making me Coinshot when I have been staunchly FOR killing p-villagers and correctly believed that elims would have bet on a p-village victory. I was never allowing our kill to hit a p-elim, so to give me Coinshot essentially confirms 2 p-village deaths per cycle. 

Also, Verdance is a meta-elim pseudoGM, I really don't think there would be 2 of them in the game. 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

20 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Through the Living Hopper Did you ever provide a list of the folks you scanned? At the very least, no more than one person from that list can be elim post-conversion.

Only Striker as a Newbie.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

40 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

Only Striker as a Newbie.

But your ability doesn’t give role info, just alignment. And since the scan comes before death the OOA, you should have two results.

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

@Araris Valerian, I think the biggest point for v!Hoid Slayer was making me Coinshot when I have been staunchly FOR killing p-villagers and correctly believed that elims would have bet on a p-village victory. I was never allowing our kill to hit a p-elim, so to give me Coinshot essentially confirms 2 p-village deaths per cycle. 

Also, Verdance is a meta-elim pseudoGM, I really don't think there would be 2 of them in the game. 

Yeah, yeah. I’m just a little frustrated because a lot of my reasons for suspecting Hoid line up with my suspicions of coco. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why do these actions seem like they would line up pretty well with a meta-elim who is feeling out what the attitude toward a village win in the pseudogame will be?

Coincidence

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Yeah, yeah. I’m just a little frustrated because a lot of my reasons for suspecting Hoid line up with my suspicions of coco. 

And this is more reason for you to kill Coco over me

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

And this is more reason for you to kill Coco over me

Hey, I’m voting for coco, and not for you. And honestly, I think v!coco would be pushing for your exe quite aggressively right now. I’m instead getting a vibe of “resigned to the inevitable” which is definitely an elim vibe at this stage of the game.

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Hey, I’m voting for coco, and not for you. And honestly, I think v!coco would be pushing for your exe quite aggressively right now. I’m instead getting a vibe of “resigned to the inevitable” which is definitely an elim vibe at this stage of the game.

Nah I just have 3 hours spread throughout the day at times when not many people are on to spend on the game rn so I’m barely following atm

I do think that most of the evidence against me could very easily also be evidence against Hoid. But considering how adamant most of you are that I’m elim and Hoid is village, I know there’s not much I can do, especially with the amount of time and energy I have to devote to this game atm. So yes I am a bit resigned I suppose. At this point I’m just hoping that after I flip village y’all will know to exe Hoid.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

coco.pudding 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

But your ability doesn’t give role info, just alignment. And since the scan comes before death the OOA, you should have two results.

I scanned Striker and was told only that he was a Newbie (in black text).

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

I scanned Striker and was told only that he was a Newbie (in black text).

Okay, what’s the confusion

That your role doesn’t match up with your info?

Can you just confirm what your role is?

@The Unknown Medallion@Through the living Wahr can you confirm there isn’t a mistake on your part?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Through the Living Hopper did you only ever submit a single scan order? Any particular reason why you didn’t attempt to scan a second time?

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Through the Living Hopper did you only ever submit a single scan order? Any particular reason why you didn’t attempt to scan a second time?

That scan was the cycle before I died. I forgot I had a role before then, because I was vanilla in the psuedo-game.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Okay, what’s the confusion

That your role doesn’t match up with your info?

Can you just confirm what your role is?

@The Unknown Medallion@Through the living Wahr can you confirm there isn’t a mistake on your part?

There was an error on our end. We are working on resolving the issue.

Edited 6 hours ago by The Unknown Medallion

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

There was an error on our end. We are working on resolving the issue.

Ahh okay

Good to know

So that isn’t reason to suspect Hopper

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Ahh okay

Good to know

So that isn’t reason to suspect Hopper

Hopper’s dead yall