LG112 - Metacycle One: Didn't We Do This Already?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

LG112 - Metacycle One: Didn't We Do This Already?

The Unknown Player ran up to his room. It seemed like his parents never stopped talking. He only had a few minutes before rollover. He pulled up the Shard on his phone. He knew it was too late to change his vote, but he could at least get an action in. He quickly clicked on his GMPM. He only had one minute. Shoot, who did he want to target? He thought for a moment, then just decided to pick someone random. Scarlet Octopus, he decided. Red was an evil color after all. He clicked send on his GMPM right as the time changed to 11:00 o'clock. Oh no. He hoped he made it in time. He quickly edited his post asking if he made it in.

The GM responded with just “...”

The Unknown Player frowned. As he waited for the GM to respond, he checked the thread. Vote after vote, all of Scarlet Octopus. The Unknown Player face palmed. 

He went back to his GMPM and typed, “Nevermind”

He sighed and leaned back in his chair. Well, might as well check in with the mod group chat to see what was going on with those roleplay characters. 

~

The Unknown Character logged out of his anonymous account and returned to the virtual porch. The others appeared in quick succession. 

“That was great work everyone. They played right into our hands,” Al said once everyone arrived. 

“What do we do while we wait for the next cycle? Just sit around?” The Unknown Character asked.

Before Al could respond, one of the other characters cut in. “Isn't it obvious?”

The Unknown Character looked to Al. Al smiled wide, showing off his gold and silver teeth. 

The Unknown Character turned back to the other character as they began to speak again.

“Now, we cause chaos.”

~

Scadrial has been destroyed! Hope you made it out in time. 

Xinoehp512 has been killed by a Coinshot! They were an Elim Coinshot. 

CD has been executed! They were a Village Coinshot.

Vote Count:

Coco(1): Qian  

CD(3): Myst, Hoid, Xino

Qian(1): Araris 

Twin(1): Lettuce  

Hoid(3): Striker, Hopper, Mippo

Mippo(1): TJ  

And now the Metagame has begun in earnest. All docs will be locked, but even if I miss one, please don't use them during the Metacycle. PMs are still open.

As several people have said they cannot use the Spreadsheet properly, we will be retiring Spreadsheet voting. All voting will be done in thread.

This cycle will end in two days at 11:00 AM Central Time on Sunday the 31st of May.

Tineye Messages:

Spoiler

None. Boring.

Players:

Spoiler

1. @coco.pudding as Coco
2. @Through The Living Star as Star
3. @CoderDrag0n8 as Coder
4. @Myst as Mistake
5. @StrikerEZ as Striker
6. @Qianweilian as Qianweilian 
7. @Through the Living Hopper as Hopper
8. @CadCom as Cam
9. @Verdance as Verdance
10. @TwinStorm as TwinStorm
11. @Hoid Slayer as Hoid Slayer
12. @___ as Mippo
13. @xinoehp512 as Xinoehp512
14. @Araris Valerian as Araris Valerian 
15. @|TJ| as TJ
16. @Kit_Kat as Kit Kat
17. @Questioning Lettuce as Questioning Lettuce
18. @Miss Fallen

 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

So I feel like it's probably fair to say that the MetaElims have a PseudoIM, right? That feels like a safe assumption to me.

EDIT: @The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr Myst

[Araris Valerian he/him]

So it looks like there was no elim kill in the pseudogame. That seems odd to me. Meta-villagers would want to try and kill whoever they thought was a meta-elim, and the meta-elims would surely have someone they want dead. If it's in everyone's interests for some kind of kill to happen, why isn't there one?

[Myst He/Him]

Yall what? 2 coinshots? Or well, 3(assuming Xino or Coder didn’t target each other, which I find reasonable since neither of them have been active)

The lack of an Elim kill suggests that the Meta Elims aren’t blitzing. That said, if the Meta Elims had an IM, why didn’t they just convince the coinshots to kill someone? But also, 2 coinshots is a lot. So maybe they do.

As for which side the Elims are going for, I think this means they’re going for village win.

Also:

Striker, I would like to know what happened with the Hoid vote, that was really last minute 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

37 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

So it looks like there was no elim kill in the pseudogame. That seems odd to me. Meta-villagers would want to try and kill whoever they thought was a meta-elim, and the meta-elims would surely have someone they want dead. If it's in everyone's interests for some kind of kill to happen, why isn't there one?

Oh I didn't even make that connection. That changes my opinion on things, assuming the kill wasn't blocked by a lurch or Thug extra life. @The Unknown Medallion Would we have been told if someone was attacked but survived due to protection or an extra life?

1 minute ago, Myst said:

As for which side the Elims are going for, I think this means they’re going for village win.

Which means we probably need to try to throw the PseudoGame.

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

Striker, I would like to know what happened with the Hoid vote, that was really last minute 

I didn't like the idea of a returning player going down so soon and without a fight. I think I mentioned this in my PM to @coco.pudding at some point. I also didn't like the idea of a Hoid Slayer exe as he's also a returning player, but at least with him in the tie it would have been a 50-50 shot that Coder got to live. 

Anyway, I was definitely much too hasty with that Myst vote, sorry.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

10 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Oh I didn't even make that connection. That changes my opinion on things, assuming the kill wasn't blocked by a lurch or Thug extra life. @The Unknown Medallion Would we have been told if someone was attacked but survived due to protection or an extra life?

It would have been announced if the kill was stopped, such as by Lurcher, Thug, or Threnody. It will not be announced if the kill is not placed or if the kill is somehow roleblocked, such as through Shardworld destruction or Sel.

[coco.pudding she/they]

13 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I didn't like the idea of a returning player going down so soon and without a fight. I think I mentioned this in my PM to @coco.pudding at some point. I also didn't like the idea of a Hoid Slayer exe as he's also a returning player, but at least with him in the tie it would have been a 50-50 shot that Coder got to live. 

I removed my vote for this reason as well, not that it mattered in the end ig

[Myst He/Him]

Wait. Isn’t the Elim kill mandatory?

Spoiler

Eliminators: Mwahahahahahaahahha. The village must be eviscerated. Destroyed. Torn down to the last corpse. You will have a factional kill and a doc to conspire within. The kill will require an action and be placed normally, but the target will be decided by vote within the elim doc. The kill is mandatory and, if no kill action is placed, a random elim action will be replaced. This game ends whenyou reach parity with the villagers. 

Which means there was an Elim on Scadrial who submitted the kill and got roleblocked

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

Wait. Isn’t the Elim kill mandatory?

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Eliminators: Mwahahahahahaahahha. The village must be eviscerated. Destroyed. Torn down to the last corpse. You will have a factional kill and a doc to conspire within. The kill will require an action and be placed normally, but the target will be decided by vote within the elim doc. The kill is mandatory and, if no kill action is placed, a random elim action will be replaced. This game ends whenyou reach parity with the villagers. 

Which means there was an Elim on Scadrial who submitted the kill and got roleblocked

The Pseudo kill is mandatory, yes

Edited May 29 by The Unknown Medallion

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

The kill is mandatory, yes

So there is a Pseudo Elim who is Meta Elim who is also a shard who killed Scadrial to block the NK because they didn’t like where it was going.

That or it was a complete accident(highly unlikely)

edit: which also means the Elim on Scadrial is meta village, meaning we have a 50/50 with the remaining two pseudo Elim’s to find who’s meta elim(assuming 4 pseudo Elim’s)

Edited May 29 by Myst

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

So there is a Pseudo Elim who is Meta Elim who is also a shard who killed Scadrial to block the NK because they didn’t like where it was going.

That or it was a complete accident(highly unlikely)

edit: which also means the Elim on Scadrial is meta village, meaning we have a 50/50 with the remaining two pseudo Elim’s to find who’s meta elim(assuming 4 pseudo Elim’s)

I feel like most of the assumptions here are unwarranted. What if a villager didn’t like the NK? And why assume 4 pseudo elims? What rule says the pseudogame would have a “normal” number of elims? Given that the elim team could quite easily be outed on C1, I would think the natural assumption is that the team is larger than we’d expect to make the outcomes a bit more balanced.

Myst

[coco.pudding she/they]

14 minutes ago, Myst said:

So there is a Pseudo Elim who is Meta Elim who is also a shard who killed Scadrial to block the NK because they didn’t like where it was going.

That or it was a complete accident(highly unlikely)

edit: which also means the Elim on Scadrial is meta village, meaning we have a 50/50 with the remaining two pseudo Elim’s to find who’s meta elim(assuming 4 pseudo Elim’s)

I mean, I know who destroyed Scadrial, and I’m like 90% sure they’re village. So no, I don’t think that’s the case. I think it was just a lucky (or unlucky I suppose) shot

[Myst He/Him]

I’ve been assuming 4-5 pseudo Elims for the past 48 hours(lol nvm you’ve never been there for when I’ve said that so that doesn’t matter), and as for a villager not liking it yeah, that’s an option, but the pseudo Elims are gonna know that better than me, since they actually know who each other are.

So fair.

That said, if meta Elim is pseudo Elim and a shard and 5 Elims, that’s still a 33% chance of meta Elim. And if there’s 6 Elims, I personally think that’d be overkill, but still a 25% chance(not even that though, you just have to know what Pseudo Elim is a shard)

And as for a Meta village pseudo Elim shard did it, I assume they would’ve said so in the Pseudo Elim doc, so the Pseudo Elim’s just need to figure out which one of them is a shard, see if they brought up that they didn’t like the NK. If they didn’t then they’re probably village, if they didn’t say that, they’re possibly meta elim

5 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I mean, I know who destroyed Scadrial, and I’m like 90% sure they’re village. So no, I don’t think that’s the case. I think it was just a lucky (or unlucky I suppose) shot

Hmm, do you know why they destroyed Scadrial? And do you know for sure they destroyed it?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Just want to point out that the role that destroys Shardworlds is called Spiked, not Shard.

I also think you're thinking about this too hard, Myst. Just because a PseudoElim got blocked because of the destruction of their Shardworld doesn't mean that they're also a MetaElim. There could've been a rogue MetaVillage Spiked who happened to be on Scadrial and destroyed it because they feared the ability to steal other players' roles.

[coco.pudding she/they]

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

Hmm, do you know why they destroyed Scadrial? And do you know for sure they destroyed it?

I mean, I can’t be completely sure obviously, but they claimed Spiked and said they were going to destroy it so, yeah, pretty sure

As for why, we both figured the elims not being able to steal roles would be a good thing, since that’s quite powerful especially if they have a pseudo IM.

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

I also think you're thinking about this too hard, Myst. Just because a PseudoElim got blocked because of the destruction of their Shardworld doesn't mean that they're also a MetaElim. There could've been a rogue MetaVillage Spiked who happened to be on Scadrial and destroyed it because they feared the ability to steal other players' roles.

Yep, exactly

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

Just want to point out that the role that destroys Shardworlds is called Spiked, not Shard.

I also think you're thinking about this too hard, Myst. Just because a PseudoElim got blocked because of the destruction of their Shardworld doesn't mean that they're also a MetaElim. There could've been a rogue MetaVillage Spiked who happened to be on Scadrial and destroyed it because they feared the ability to steal other players' roles.

Wait. Then what does the shard do? *checks rules* oh okay

I very well might be, but like, if there is a pseudo Elim who is spiked, then I think this is warranted. That said, idk if there is a pseudo Elim who could’ve done that

2 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I mean, I can’t be completely sure obviously, but they claimed Spiked and said they were going to destroy it so, yeah, pretty sure

As for why, we both figured the elims not being able to steal roles would be a good thing, since that’s quite powerful especially if they have a pseudo IM.

Yep, exactly

Alright then. Ignore everything I just said

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Huh I survived

Cool

On another note:

I need to skim through a lot, but a village Coinshot (almost certainly CD, @CoderDrag0n8 care to testify?) sniping an elim C1 feels weird

Is a possibility where there’s a metaelim within the pseudoelim team that orchestrated this worth considering?

[StrikerEZ he/him]

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Is a possibility where there’s a metaelim within the pseudoelim team that orchestrated this worth considering?

It's a possibility, obviously, but it's one we're kind of ruling out right now.

[coco.pudding she/they]

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I need to skim through a lot, but a village Coinshot (almost certainly CD, @CoderDrag0n8 care to testify?) sniping an elim C1 feels weird

Coder’s dead tho, he got exed

[Stardust She/Her]

4 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Coder’s dead tho, he got exed

But only in the psuedogame, right? 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

12 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Coder’s dead tho, he got exed

Not here he ain’t

14 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

It's a possibility, obviously, but it's one we're kind of ruling out right now.

Why?

What’s our current plan, then?

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

Not here he ain’t

Oh you’re so right

I forgot you can still talk after being exed in one game lol

[___ He/Him]

14 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Oh you’re so right

I forgot you can still talk after being exed in one game lol

Actually you can still talk even after being dead in both it looks like

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

22 minutes ago, ___ said:

Actually you can still talk even after being dead in both it looks like

Yup, you can always keep on yapping, just not voting

Edited May 29 by Hoid Slayer

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Seems like a good time to whip out this bad boy again: