LG112 - Metacycle One: Didn't We Do This Already?

[|TJ| he/him]

I'm going to be out of town for a couple of days so expect close-to-zero activity from me, I apologise in advance. 

@CoderDrag0n8, was the xino shot you? 

Willing to v-read anyone who did not use their shot last cycle. 

I guess there could be some weird Sel shenanigans going on... 

@xinoehp512 did you take a shot last cycle?

 

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I'm going to be out of town for a couple of days so expect close-to-zero activity from me, I apologise in advance. 

@CoderDrag0n8, was the xino shot you? 

Willing to v-read anyone who did not use their shot last cycle. 

I guess there could be some weird Sel shenanigans going on... 

@xinoehp512 did you take a shot last cycle?

 

I’ve asked already in PMs and was told he never even submitted an action 

edit: I’m talking about Coder btw

Edited May 29 by Myst

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

I’ve asked already in PMs and was told he never even submitted an action 

So there’s at least one more coinshot running around if he’s telling the truth. (I think he probably is, it seems like he’s been barely active)

I am kinda curious why Xino though…they’ve barely been active, so what was the motivation there?

[Verdance he/him]

Verdance finally finished his shift, drove home, washed off the sugary grime and settled into a beanbag chair in his room. He had done much since he had last checked the Shard. Actually, that was a lie. Much had been done, just not by him. He checks this post to see if it is satisfactorily confusing. Lazily, recognizing it makes some modicum of sense, he ignores the entire point of making this post and indirectly asks what happened while he was gone. Then he buries the question under a rant about the evils of cats, which interestingly do not have souls and would take over the world if they were not so lazy. Finally, he posts the post. Perfect.

[Myst He/Him]

Mistake opened his phone, it was already on the shard. There were a few more posts than when he had left, but that was as expected.

He skimmed through the posts before responding to a few PMs. He’d started a lot more this game, it felt a little weird. The Shardworld Doc didn’t seem to have changed much either.

Mistake looked over at the list of players. He had the beginnings of a plan, one that should work. He just had to check the rules first. He clicked the other tab. He’d had both the thread and sign-up open since the game had begun, and he’d only signed out of his anonymous account once or twice since he’d been assigned it.

Mistake quickly opened the spoiler boxes, scanning. Maybe it’d work after all.

Maybe not

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Coder

I have an argument but y’all are gonna have to bear with me for tomorrow cause I’m sleepy

[Myst He/Him]

23 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Coder

I have an argument but y’all are gonna have to bear with me for tomorrow cause I’m sleepy

You’d need quite a good case, I really don’t want to exe Coder or Xino right now. Not saying we shouldn’t but I’m personally going to wait till C3 ish before I look at them.

In the case that both are Meta Elim there’s probably a 3rd we can find

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Hey. I was just reminded of the potential existence of a PseudoGM. So uhhhh, if you see this, any chance you could send the Coinshot role my way? Please and thank you.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Hoid rolled out of bed, and sighed. He opened his eyes, and gravity forced them shut again. Maybe he could sleep a little longer... he forced his eyes open once more, and reached hazily for his phone, flipping and tapping it to check the time...

10:00. 10:00?!?!

He had to get up...

...

Hoid stepped out of the shower, changed, and immediately grabbed his computer and opened the Shard. 10:43 was far later than he had intended to do this, but, well, he did tell them he was sleepy. But he could wait no longer. He had signed up for this game, and now he had to honor his commitment. Not only that, but it seemed the entire Shard was now in danger... and somehow, Hoid, certainly one of the least capable people available, was one of the few who had a chance to save it.

So, Coder had died. That was interesting.

He began to type. Not in his anonymous account, but his own, in the PM that the players had all created to discuss the anonymous invaders.

So uhh guys I was actually intending to write an analysis but my dad just walked into my room telling me to make breakfast so waitup an hour or so

Edit:

I'm back

Hoid returned from breakfast, and at last wrote out his message:

Quote

Dear players, moderators,

I would like to propose the probational suspension and examination of @CoderDrag0n8's account. I have interacted much with Coder, and consider him a friend. Yet some of those we consider friends have been replaced, and I have reason to believe Coder is one of them.

The suspicion arises from the results of the first cycle of the AG, Tyrian Unleashed. In said cycle, Coder was executed and revealed to be a Coinshot, while @xinoehp512 was taken out by a Coinshot and revealed to be an eliminator.

I have privately spoken with Coder via PMs, and he denies having carried out the kill against Xino. I see no reason for a Coder that is both village in the game (which he has been proven to be) and real (that is to say, not replaced by a malicious AI) to lie about such a thing. And so I propose two worlds:

(for the purposes of this debate, I will refer to "real" or "non-real" players as "meta-village" (or m-v!) and "meta-elim" (or m-e!), respectively, for clarity)

1/ m-v!Coder

Coder likely did not carry out the kill on Xino (this Coder has no reason to lie). Implies a third Coinshot running around in the AG, which I find unlikely, but is useful information to have.

If there is a third Coinshot running around, then I immediately find it unlikely that all three Coinshots belong to m-villagers. That implies that either Xino or his killer is an m-elim. If Xino is an m-elim, that does not give us much information. But if Xino's killer is the m-elim, that immediately implies that the m-elims are likely playing for the village to win the AG as soon as possible - and likely have a spy within the elim team.

2/ m-e!Coder

This world is more interesting. There are two possibilities.

2-a: Coder lied

The most likely world I see from m-e!Coder. He did indeed carry out the kill on Xino, and likely had a spy on the inside of the elim team.

Potentially implicates e-m!Striker for trying to save Coder last minute.

2-b: Coder is telling the truth

Very unlikely, but possible. Begs the question of why m-e!Coder did not use his Coinshot ability.

IN CONCLUSION:

Due to the lack of better present alternatives, I propose the suspension and examination of Coder's account, as his flip will reveal a lot of information to us and potentially give us a glance into the objectives of the meta-elims.

Additionally, I think it of utmost importance that any who actually carried out the kill on Xino, if not Coder, come forth.

A confession to the shot will help disprove evidence against Coder, and overall help the meta-villages' attempts. Any Coinshot who remains in the game and does not confess to Xino's kill ought to be considered meta-elim.

Thank you for your consideration.

TL;DR

I think we should flip Coder here as well

If you killed Xino and are not Coder, please come forth and confess

I actually think getting rid of Coinshots in the pseudogame early is a positive, as it reduces the amount of chaotic elements that the meta-elims have at their disposal

Edited May 30 by Hoid Slayer

[___ He/Him]

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hoid rolled out of bed, and sighed. He opened his eyes, and gravity forced them shut again. Maybe he could sleep a little longer... he forced his eyes open once more, and reached hazily for his phone, flipping and tapping it to check the time...

10:00. 10:00?!?!

He had to get up...

...

Hoid stepped out of the shower, changed, and immediately grabbed his computer and opened the Shard. 10:43 was far later than he had intended to do this, but, well, he did tell them he was sleepy. But he could wait no longer. He had signed up for this game, and now he had to honor his commitment. Not only that, but it seemed the entire Shard was now in danger... and somehow, Hoid, certainly one of the least capable people available, was one of the few who had a chance to save it.

So, Coder had died. That was interesting.

He began to type. Not in his anonymous account, but his own, in the PM that the players had all created to discuss the anonymous invaders.

So uhh guys I was actually intending to write an analysis but my dad just walked into my room telling me to make breakfast so waitup an hour or so

Edit:

I'm back

Hoid returned from breakfast, and at last wrote out his message:

TL;DR

I think we should flip Coder here as well

If you killed Xino and are not Coder, please come forth and confess

I actually think getting rid of Coinshots in the pseudogame early is a positive, as it reduces the amount of chaotic elements that the meta-elims have at their disposal

Dang you're ruthless

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

5 minutes ago, ___ said:

Dang you're ruthless

This is nothing compared to my prime

I've grown soft

Let's hope I've grown more accurate as well

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hoid rolled out of bed, and sighed. He opened his eyes, and gravity forced them shut again. Maybe he could sleep a little longer... he forced his eyes open once more, and reached hazily for his phone, flipping and tapping it to check the time...

10:00. 10:00?!?!

He had to get up...

...

Hoid stepped out of the shower, changed, and immediately grabbed his computer and opened the Shard. 10:43 was far later than he had intended to do this, but, well, he did tell them he was sleepy. But he could wait no longer. He had signed up for this game, and now he had to honor his commitment. Not only that, but it seemed the entire Shard was now in danger... and somehow, Hoid, certainly one of the least capable people available, was one of the few who had a chance to save it.

So, Coder had died. That was interesting.

He began to type. Not in his anonymous account, but his own, in the PM that the players had all created to discuss the anonymous invaders.

So uhh guys I was actually intending to write an analysis but my dad just walked into my room telling me to make breakfast so waitup an hour or so

Edit:

I'm back

Hoid returned from breakfast, and at last wrote out his message:

TL;DR

I think we should flip Coder here as well

If you killed Xino and are not Coder, please come forth and confess

I actually think getting rid of Coinshots in the pseudogame early is a positive, as it reduces the amount of chaotic elements that the meta-elims have at their disposal

I find this argument reasonably convincing, but partly as a result I'm going to stick to my vote on Myst, who seems strongly against a Coder exe. I would like to hear from other folks what they think about a Coder exe.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I find this argument reasonably convincing, but partly as a result I'm going to stick to my vote on Myst, who seems strongly against a Coder exe. I would like to hear from other folks what they think about a Coder exe.

I am somewhat in agreement with this

Additionally, it's worth noting that Myst has been very vocally anti-Striker in PMs with me, and so a meta-elim team of Coder/Myst/Striker is something I view as unlikely

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I am somewhat in agreement with this

Additionally, it's worth noting that Myst has been very vocally anti-Striker in PMs with me, and so a meta-elim team of Coder/Myst/Striker is something I view as unlikely

My Anti-Striker was dependent on something else

I don’t want to exe him, but if that something is true. Then yes, I would. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

My Anti-Striker was dependent on something else

I don’t want to exe him, but if that something is true. Then yes, I would. 

I'm well aware, I'm just commenting because I previously considered an elim team of Coder/Striker and I think that's incompatible with e!you unless you're bussing Striker for a weird reason

Could you clarify your thoughts on my Coder argument?

Also, where is everyone?

This feels like a ghost town for an 18 player game

[coco.pudding she/they]

3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hoid rolled out of bed, and sighed. He opened his eyes, and gravity forced them shut again. Maybe he could sleep a little longer... he forced his eyes open once more, and reached hazily for his phone, flipping and tapping it to check the time...

10:00. 10:00?!?!

He had to get up...

...

Hoid stepped out of the shower, changed, and immediately grabbed his computer and opened the Shard. 10:43 was far later than he had intended to do this, but, well, he did tell them he was sleepy. But he could wait no longer. He had signed up for this game, and now he had to honor his commitment. Not only that, but it seemed the entire Shard was now in danger... and somehow, Hoid, certainly one of the least capable people available, was one of the few who had a chance to save it.

So, Coder had died. That was interesting.

He began to type. Not in his anonymous account, but his own, in the PM that the players had all created to discuss the anonymous invaders.

So uhh guys I was actually intending to write an analysis but my dad just walked into my room telling me to make breakfast so waitup an hour or so

Edit:

I'm back

Hoid returned from breakfast, and at last wrote out his message:

TL;DR

I think we should flip Coder here as well

If you killed Xino and are not Coder, please come forth and confess

I actually think getting rid of Coinshots in the pseudogame early is a positive, as it reduces the amount of chaotic elements that the meta-elims have at their disposal

Hm, okay. I like this analysis and I think this could be a world that makes sense. Especially since three coinshots seems like a lot. Possible, but unlikely. So I’m willing to vote Coder

19 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I find this argument reasonably convincing, but partly as a result I'm going to stick to my vote on Myst, who seems strongly against a Coder exe. I would like to hear from other folks what they think about a Coder exe.

I think I understand where Myst is coming from about not wanting to immediately exe someone in both games, especially someone who’s not been terribly active, but I also feel like a) who else is there right now, and b) he can still talk so it’s not like we’re straight up removing him without giving him a chance to play.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Hm, okay. I like this analysis and I think this could be a world that makes sense. Especially since three coinshots seems like a lot. Possible, but unlikely. So I’m willing to vote Coder

I think I understand where Myst is coming from about not wanting to immediately exe someone in both games, especially someone who’s not been terribly active, but I also feel like a) who else is there right now, and b) he can still talk so it’s not like we’re straight up removing him without giving him a chance to play.

I get that, but elims can hide behind excuses like that to protect teammates. It’s easier than coming up with an actual argument to not exe someone, which itself is easier than proposing an alternate exe.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Hm, okay. I like this analysis and I think this could be a world that makes sense. Especially since three coinshots seems like a lot. Possible, but unlikely. So I’m willing to vote Coder

I think I understand where Myst is coming from about not wanting to immediately exe someone in both games, especially someone who’s not been terribly active, but I also feel like a) who else is there right now, and b) he can still talk so it’s not like we’re straight up removing him without giving him a chance to play.

I agree in feeling some sympathy, but also, Coder isn't a new player

And also, in a regular game, once you get exed once, you're out

Two chances is a privilege, and even after that, he can still discuss and debate

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

I'm well aware, I'm just commenting because I previously considered an elim team of Coder/Striker and I think that's incompatible with e!you unless you're bussing Striker for a weird reason

Could you clarify your thoughts on my Coder argument?

Also, where is everyone?

This feels like a ghost town for an 18 player game

My main problem with exing Coder is basically that we’ve already exed them in one game, doing both back to back d1 seems really mean.

As I said, I would be fine exing him in a future cycle, just not these first two, I’d like to give him time to defend himself, and figure out what in the world is going on.

I plan on doing the same thing to the people we exe Psuedo day 2, giving them till D3, and after that I figure they’ve had enough time and I’m fine with exing someone in the pseudo game and then again in the meta game right after.

Id like to avoid it for now

As for your actual argument, just one question, but other than that it’s convincing. I do not like the idea of exing him right after exing him in the pseudo game.

Why Coder and not Xino? The only difference between the two is that Coder could’ve killed Xino and Xino couldn’t have killed Coder and their pseudo game alingments.

I think that’s all I have for now. I do not like the idea of voting Coder. If there is another viable train that happens in the next 20 hours I will switch my vote.

However: Coder

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Myst said:

Why Coder and not Xino? The only difference between the two is that Coder could’ve killed Xino and Xino couldn’t have killed Coder and their pseudo game alingments.

Because what has Xino done to make us suspect him?

All he's done is die, which, if anything, suggests he's village unless his killer is village

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Because what has Xino done to make us suspect him?

All he's done is die, which, if anything, suggests he's village unless his killer is village

Fair enough

edit: that said, that’s all Coder’s done too(unless he’s lying about not killing Xino)

Edited May 30 by Myst

[coco.pudding she/they]

3 minutes ago, Myst said:

edit: that said, that’s all Coder’s done too(unless he’s lying about not killing Xino)

Well that’s the thing, isn’t it? If he’s elim, he has motivation to lie

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Well that’s the thing, isn’t it? If he’s elim, he has motivation to lie

So:

1. Lying =/= elim

2. Elim =/= lying

In this case I’d say yes, if he is lying then he is Elim, a NK kill is big enough for that. But, if your argument revolves around saying that “if he lied though, then he’s Elim” when you don’t know he lied… that’s not really a good argument.

(Briefly going to my potential argument against striker) It depends on whether or not Hoid is Pseudo Elim. If Hoid tells me he is Psuedo Elim, I’m not going to exe Hoid because “If he’s Elim he has motivation to lie”

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Myst said:

Fair enough

edit: that said, that’s all Coder’s done too(unless he’s lying about not killing Xino)

4 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Well that’s the thing, isn’t it? If he’s elim, he has motivation to lie

That's exactly my point

I think that if Coder is elim, then he is lying about killing Xino, and I think the odds of that are greater than the odds of us starting out with three Coinshots but then again the actual AG had an absurd distro so you never know

Just now, Myst said:

(Briefly going to my potential argument against striker) It depends on whether or not Hoid is Pseudo Elim. If Hoid tells me he is Psuedo Elim, I’m not going to exe Hoid because “If he’s Elim he has motivation to lie”

(For the record, Hoid will admit no such thing)

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

For the record, Hoid will admit no such thing)

If I wanted to I could just ask Xino

(if he replies, I’ve already asked him if he told anyone he was a coinshot, including in Elim doc, as that would narrow down the suspects and he hasn’t gotten back to me)