Quick Fix Game 78: Hearts of Riches, Rhythms of Hatred

[Divergent He/Him]

I was reading through some parts of this game when I had the time and from the bits I had read, I had fun haha. Did not expect at all that Mistfallen and Archer would get taken out C1. 
 

I liked how Stick locked in C4 and immediately got killed after because of how big of a threat she was to the elims . Also, Doc really plays a scary elim game omg. I think I'll be wary of you again the next time we play lol

Also, I was surprised when TOW actually flipped v and that he really had just missed submitting actions one too many times . And I was really impressed with the newbies' play.

 

Hopefully, I'll have the time to play the next game

 

 

 

[Cuendillar He/him]

Great job @Doc12. Great job.

[Archer he/him]

13 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Archer who technically won

...the best kind of win!

Congrats, Jo and Doc. That was insane. 

Thanks for running this, IM, GMs! I enjoyed the writeups, and the doc was fun to hang out in. It's really hard to balance a game that's so precarious. Only caution I'll give is that the power role holders were pretty predictable (Discerning me/Jo and SK TUM), but hey, metagaming got me killed immediately, so I got my karma. 

I enjoyed my playstyle, and will probably try that again in a future game, regardless of alignment. Kudos to the folks who were on to me C1! (You don't count, TUM :P) Pleasure playing with all of you, especially the new folks - welcome!

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

IT'S ALWAYS DOC 

EVERY SINGLE TIME

AND I WAS ROLLED SHARDBEARER FIRST

THE GMS HATE ME

[Doc12]

  

14 hours ago, Honors Ghost said:

Wow this game was beautiful the elims played so well and ugh it was great  

If you hadn't lied to me about Mippo's spren I wouldn't have got the village to exe you XD I was aiming to convert Jo so you would have been part of our team!

6 hours ago, Divergent said:

I liked how Stick locked in C4 and immediately got killed after because of how big of a threat she was to the elims . Also, Doc really plays a scary elim game omg. I think I'll be wary of you again the next time we play lol

15 hours ago, edgyswordname said:

kudos to Doc for being pure evil, if he ends up in the next game same as me I will be afraid

Oh I promise I am not that scary  Dive you've been evil with me once (kinda) and we lost bad in the AN XD 

It's funny that you spectators didn't even see my PMs - I was chatting up almost all the villagers and telling them what they wanted to hear, which is why no one suspected me in the end  But then again, I PM everyone regardless of whether I'm evil or good, so always trust me when I'm PMing you because I am friendly and kind  

1 hour ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

IT'S ALWAYS DOC 

EVERY SINGLE TIME

i started village! Blame Mistfallen! 

EDIT to avoid double posting

 I think one of my only regrets this game, apart from the cycle where I was absent, is that I wrote a lot of RP but it couldnt' be public. Part of the reason Nienna and Jojala hit it off so well is that Jo and I started RPing in our PMs, and I started chronicling Nienna's conversion and madness in the elim doc (you should read it if you haven't Nienna is actually a super sympathetic character and the real hero of the story :P), but of course couldn't post those. There was sadly a bit of a fall-off in RP after c1, and I should have contributed a little more. I will say, @Wahrheitswächter, the reason I killed Qian over you last day was because Marne's whole thing was that they wanted to be left alone, and I respected that

Edited February 8 by Doc12

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

2 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

  

If you hadn't lied to me about Mippo's spren I wouldn't have got the village to exe you XD I was aiming to convert Jo so you would have been part of our team!

Oh I promise I am not that scary  Dive you've been evil with me once (kinda) and we lost bad in the AN XD 

It's funny that you spectators didn't even see my PMs - I was chatting up almost all the villagers and telling them what they wanted to hear, which is why no one suspected me in the end  But then again, I PM everyone regardless of whether I'm evil or good, so always trust me when I'm PMing you because I am friendly and kind  

i started village! Blame Mistfallen! 

Oof man I was worried that if I told people who’s spren I rly was they would target jo

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

9 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

@Wahrheitswächter, the reason I killed Qian over you last day was because Marne's whole thing was that they wanted to be left alone, and I respected that

Very considerate of you to respect Marnes wish of being left alone.

Some things I will try to improve on in my next Game: being a bit less naive, I trusted Jo until he started accusing me, and I did trust Doc until the very end. Also I should probably try not to upset the whole village Day 1, I think If I wasnt new, I would have been Dead Day 1. Oh and I think need to do more to try and solve the Game, In retrospect I noticed that I mostly followed the lead of other players when deciding on who to Vote. 

[Mystic He/Him]

You see, I got outed by deepwolfing, but now I want to see if I can make the way I act as a deepwolf the way I play normally.

If Stick hadn’t called me out for it, I could’ve lasted at least another cycle. TUM wasn’t going to call me out on it.

I can’t wait for next signups 

[Cuendillar He/him]

32 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I will say, @Wahrheitswächter, the reason I killed Qian over you last day was because Marne's whole thing was that they wanted to be left alone, and I respected that

7 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Very considerate of you to respect Marnes wish of being left alone.

Alone in and with a pile of corpses, Dr.

4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

I got outed by deepwolfing, but now I want to see if I can make the way I act as a deepwolf the way I play normally.

Fooled me.

7 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Some things I will try to improve on in my next Game: being a bit less naive, I trusted Jo until he started accusing me, and I did trust Doc until the very end.

I never really trusted Jo, but I did Doc and Mist.

4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

I can’t wait for next signups 

Yes, me as well.

7 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Also I should probably try not to upset the whole village Day 1, I think If I wasnt new, I would have been Dead Day 1.

I looked, and I think the main problem is that your first vote was a jump on a train, then you suddenly switched votes seemingly without reason.

Edited February 8 by Qianweilian

[|TJ| he/him]

GG elims! Really wonderful Elim play @Doc12! I always think we should interact more but I got killed early this game :P. 

Also, I want to be a neutral/SK again smh, it's been a while >> 

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

 

26 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I never really trusted Jo, but I did Doc and Mist.

As as I didnt participate much Day 1, I never had much of an opinion on Mist, and I trusted Jo because he was the first who suggested not to kill me, that made me trust him and back then he was still Village

26 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I looked, and I think the main problem is that your first vote was a jump on a train, then you suddenly switched votes seemingly without reason.

Yeah your right that wasnt the smartest play on my part, I jumped on the train mainly because I was like well, we are two pages in already, lets put a vote in, who do I vote? Well the person other people are voting for seems like a smart choice and them when archer called me out and voted me, I was like: thats not good what do I do now? Vote someone else, anyone, doesnt matter who, probably someone who hasnt posted yet, that cant be bad. And when more Votes piled on me, my Brain went into full panic mode: What do I do? I wanted to solve the problem not make it worse, how do I make it go away? Just do nothing, anything you do will make it worse.

Edited February 8 by Wahrheitswächter

[Cuendillar He/him]

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

I promise I am not that scary  Dive you've been evil with me once (kinda) and we lost bad in the AN XD 

Doc, I’m looking through the elim doc, like what? You’re so manipulative. You didn’t even start elim, so you were genuinely trying to be nice and investigate people, but then you turned into a prolific liar overnight (overnight for me at least).

[|TJ| he/him]

Forgot to mention but a warm welcome to @coco.pudding, @Qianweilian and @Wahrheitswächter! Really impressed with your play, guys. I hope you all stick around and join us for the next game! 

[The Unknown Character he/him]

3 hours ago, Archer said:

...the best kind of win!

Congrats, Jo and Doc. That was insane. 

Thanks for running this, IM, GMs! I enjoyed the writeups, and the doc was fun to hang out in. It's really hard to balance a game that's so precarious. Only caution I'll give is that the power role holders were pretty predictable (Discerning me/Jo and SK TUM), but hey, metagaming got me killed immediately, so I got my karma. 

I enjoyed my playstyle, and will probably try that again in a future game, regardless of alignment. Kudos to the folks who were on to me C1! (You don't count, TUM :P) Pleasure playing with all of you, especially the new folks - welcome!

I definitely don't count, I killed you because I thought you were a villager reaction testing

15 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

GG elims! Really wonderful Elim play @Doc12! I always think we should interact more but I got killed early this game :P. 

Also, I want to be a neutral/SK again smh, it's been a while >> 

How happily I would have granted my burden to thee

This gives me an idea for a converting SK, they pick X players, one of whom randomly gets the SK role, with the original player becoming a villager. This means it would be nearly impossible to track, but no one who doesn't want it/wouldn't be able to win with it will have it

[Stick. she/her]

@Wahrheitswächter @Qianweilian @coco.pudding u all did really well for ur first game! subbing actions on time (for coco) and making sure u vote & give reads is pretty much all u need to start off as a villager.
 

it’s hard not to follow the herd/choose the path of least resistance in these games so don’t beat urself up over that - which, at least early game, is actually perfectly fine to do because that’s when the majority of the voices in the thread are village so the votes will likely be village-led by default. but late-game is when it gets tricky because u basically have to tune out everyone else & try to think independently bc that’s when the elims are likely already driving the narrative 

 

hope ull all stick around!! It’s so nice to see SE alive again 

3 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Forgot to mention but a warm welcome to @coco.pudding, @Qianweilian and @Wahrheitswächter! Really impressed with your play, guys. I hope you all stick around and join us for the next game! 

WTF this guy stole my lines

Edited February 8 by Stick.

[|TJ| he/him]

2 minutes ago, Stick. said:

WTF this guy stole my lines

muahahahaha gimme the thief role as well :P.

[Stick. she/her]

7 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

muahahahaha gimme the thief role as well :P.

[Mystic He/Him]

2 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Doc, I’m looking through the elim doc, like what? You’re so manipulative. You didn’t even start elim, so you were genuinely trying to be nice and investigate people, but then you turned into a prolific liar overnight (overnight for me at least).

This is why Doc is scary. So it’s always best to have him on your side, even if he doesn’t know he is

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Hoid's GM Thoughts:

First off, massive thanks to Twinstorm for this opportunity. I had an absolute blast running the game with you, even if I sacrificed perhaps a bit too much sleep

As for the game itself:

It's a very volatile ruleset. The way things worked out, the elim and village teams were just about balanced perfectly for a good fight at the end, but in any other case, I'm afraid elims would have been a bit too overpowered in this case. One thing we didn't take into account was the potential of an elim spren as an additional player: had IHAT and Archer lasted a bit longer, they coulda entered C3 with functionally 5 elims

I liked having two conversions; I feel like it's a good balance to allow the elims to build their team and really use the tool without making it OP. I'm glad we used it as an extra to NKs, not a replacement, as in the one conversion game I've played in the past I felt really weird about suddenly switching sides - and everyone winning in the end

I think the ideal elim team makeup for a group of this size is what we did, but minus the elim spren. Maybe we could have made one of the elims a spren to a village player - but no, then they could just betray their team. It's a complicated thing to figure out.

I like the way we distributed the other roles. Two Heroics are a nice stable point. I do agree with Archer that the power role distribution was a little predictable, but that can be adjusted

I was scared at the start that the Shardbearer might fall quickly and not really have a prominent role, but I'm glad to see that didn't happen, and they were actually in the running for a win for a bit at the end there

I'm not really sure what else to say

A lot of fun stuff could be done with spren to change the game up significantly in future playthroughs.

Overall, it was just a great experience, and I look forward to playing with all of you in the future

[Akimikoisthecutest]

Thanks for such a great game everyone! I had a lot of fun playing with all of you, and I hope to do so soon.

I'll post my call outs in a little bit

[Doc12]

I really screw myself over whenever I play really well evil because then no one trusts me in a game when I'm village

@Hoid Slayerno thoughts about me ?

Looking back, there really was an alternate game where I didn't get converted c1. I had found the Shardbearer c1, and we could have lynched him c2, making it all the harder for whoever did get converted to even the score. So again, Mistfallen's one action changed the game (even though I had to put in all the work ) 

[Mystic He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I really screw myself over whenever I play really well evil because then no one trusts me in a game when I'm village

@Hoid Slayerno thoughts about me ?

Looking back, there really was an alternate game where I didn't get converted c1. I had found the Shardbearer c1, and we could have lynched him c2, making it all the harder for whoever did get converted to even the score. So again, Mistfallen's one action changed the game (even though I had to put in all the work ) 

lol

We were going to do Jo, and then it switched to you, so at least one of you would’ve been an Elim, if not both (perhaps Jo would have converted you)

But anyways, yeah, I am very proud of myself for doing that

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

23 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I really screw myself over whenever I play really well evil because then no one trusts me in a game when I'm village

@Hoid Slayerno thoughts about me ?

Looking back, there really was an alternate game where I didn't get converted c1. I had found the Shardbearer c1, and we could have lynched him c2, making it all the harder for whoever did get converted to even the score. So again, Mistfallen's one action changed the game (even though I had to put in all the work ) 

Only that you fixed all of our mechanic mistakes with your plotting

A true hero

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

 

15 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

lol

We were going to do Jo, and then it switched to you, so at least one of you would’ve been an Elim, if not both (perhaps Jo would have converted you)

But anyways, yeah, I am very proud of myself for doing that

I wouldn't have converted anyone until I was in the middle of getting executed, so i would have been a solo act for far longer. Not sure who I would have converted.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

honestly I might've considered protecting Archer but I kinda forgot that day and night weren't seperated

that's what I get for not paying attention

anyways seems like it was a fun game, gg to all those that played and thanks to the GMs

sorry for fibbing about being your spren coco, no hard feelings I hope I mean its not like it rly worked considering how the first day ended, I did feel you seemed villagey though

re: game balance, agreed that if things had gone differently, a spren with an elim radiant could have yielded basically a bonus elim with a vote manipulation power, which could've made things quite a bit more elim favouring

but you know how that song and dance goes, the life-link between spren and radiant makes it very much all-or-nothing, either you get 2 elims or 0

the best laid plans of mice and spren often go awry :P

If the Spren win condition were tweaked a bit, perhaps there could be incentives to remain more neutral and play both sides, making the role less prone to tipping the balance. I could probably spitball a few ideas if you ever want to run this again sometime. Or not. Honestly it's probably ok to leave it as-is. If you do ever do this setup again, I bet you'll have a better idea how to handle it.

anyways balance isn't everything