deep substrate foliated kalkite QF77: (S)Andor(son) Elimination

[Aeternum]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

That does mean even if he's E, he's not our Spymaster? I have no objection since we have to gun our way through pretty much every last Rebel until the Spymaster is gone, but I'm also thinking aloud in terms of who is likely to be what. Tbf if Hoid is exed and flips Rebel, it is possible he simply didn't receive that drop and just made the claim. (I have some hesitation because I think we are assuming similarities in the drop that can be down to order of claims or just the fact that we're not hearing more from Hoid et al about the framing of it, which is why I asked a little yesterday.) Drop just was our thoughts RE: whether at least two Rebels have established contact or not.

Not changing my vote at this point because I'm guaranteed to be on later and I do want to hear from Storm as well. But no objection to an exe within my 3-pool, which includes Hoid

Edited to add:

@Aeternum: Want to know what you make of this claim:

Idk I just try very hard to kill elims

But fair point. I was under the impression that something about succession meant that you'd likely have to kill all the elims anyway.

In terms of the claim, tbh why would he feel the need to save himself there?

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

But trust me, please, my activity has nothing to do with my alignment

That's not my issue with you right now. My issue is you've done nothing in terms of solving. I get not wanting to do big analysis posts and all that, which is fair, but doing absolutely zero solving and dodging when asked questions related to the game? That's elim behaviour.

1 hour ago, TwinStorm said:

he's been weird to Kas recently, and hes mostly been floating through thread, refusing to anaylze

Can you expand on these a bit more?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Idk I just try very hard to kill elims

But fair point. I was under the impression that something about succession meant that you'd likely have to kill all the elims anyway.

In terms of the claim, tbh why would he feel the need to save himself there?

That's not my issue with you right now. My issue is you've done nothing in terms of solving. I get not wanting to do big analysis posts and all that, which is fair, but doing absolutely zero solving and dodging when asked questions related to the game? That's elim behaviour.

Can you expand on these a bit more?

yeah ofc

I don't see the reason for this post from v/TOW, just feels weird and trying to force something out of Hoid that he can spin into a train

again, this might be one of the weakest reasons for a vote, and feels incredibly like he wants a train on Hoid, nobody actually is gonna try and pull a move like that

this analysis of dead drops feels . . . sketchy, writing a post like that feels lame. Not only is he shaming Kas for . . . not completing grad school, which basically nobody does, which is weird but he seems to think that writing a nice post is hard. Its not. Anyone can write a nice post, and this feels like hes over overattributing something minor and trying to just confuse folks

but this is the main post where I suspected him, he points out the connection between Ksauce and Coder, which the elims then exploited, killing them both. He also straight up asks not to be trained on, which feels kinda weird and trying to make sure he survives. There wasn't even any suspicion against him at that point (to my knowledge . . .) 

so yeah, a combination of a lot of little sus moments kinda adds up together, but the Ksauce and Coder connection especially immediately makes them sus, even if hes village, he still might've caused the supervisor kill by pointing that out.

 

 

 

 

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Okay, the grad school comment is... interesting to say the least. I have had english teachers who have and have not completed grad school, and the ones who didn't do grad school are the better writers. Tolkien didn't go to grad school. Sanderson didn't go to grad school. That is completely irrelevant to being able to write a nice paragraph. I'm in 10th grade and I can write a paragraph like that. [/rant]

Additionally, Argenti's coming across as more village to me today, not sure why, maybe bc of dms where he was pretty open about info, but yeah. 

If I had more time I would cross-reference TwinStorm's behavior with the Purelake game, but I don't (yay midterms!) Someone who is not tied up in academic responsibilities, would recommend you do that.

This was called out to me by someone else, so going to focus on it bc I'm already over my break timer. 

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Coder: said that KSOHS trusted him, but could just be maneuvering (I don't know how much I believe in Coder's manipulative abilities )

1 hour ago, TwinStorm said:

but this is the main post where I suspected him, he points out the connection between Ksauce and Coder, which the elims then exploited, killing them both. He also straight up asks not to be trained on, which feels kinda weird and trying to make sure he survives. There wasn't even any suspicion against him at that point (to my knowledge . . .) 

Even though this is doing that, I'm doubtful of how accurate that reasoning is. Feels kinda like my weird Fura deepwolf world yesterday, which obv isn't instantly indicative of an elim but certainly leans that way. Then again it is solid evidence, so I just don't know.

Although yeah, either HoidSlayer or Worldhopper is probably the planet dm-er given the no D2 message, and the grad school comment, depending on Worldhopper's age (no clue of that) could be a subtle redirection tactic

Okay I'm farrrr too much over my timer so I'll be back in ~25 minutes when I get my next long break.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Booknewt said:

Okay, the grad school comment is... interesting to say the least. I have had english teachers who have and have not completed grad school, and the ones who didn't do grad school are the better writers. Tolkien didn't go to grad school. Sanderson didn't go to grad school. That is completely irrelevant to being able to write a nice paragraph. I'm in 10th grade and I can write a paragraph like that. [/rant]

Additionally, Argenti's coming across as more village to me today, not sure why, maybe bc of dms where he was pretty open about info, but yeah. 

If I had more time I would cross-reference TwinStorm's behavior with the Purelake game, but I don't (yay midterms!) Someone who is not tied up in academic responsibilities, would recommend you do that.

This was called out to me by someone else, so going to focus on it bc I'm already over my break timer. 

Even though this is doing that, I'm doubtful of how accurate that reasoning is. Feels kinda like my weird Fura deepwolf world yesterday, which obv isn't instantly indicative of an elim but certainly leans that way. Then again it is solid evidence, so I just don't know.

Although yeah, either HoidSlayer or Worldhopper is probably the planet dm-er given the no D2 message, and the grad school comment, depending on Worldhopper's age (no clue of that) could be a subtle redirection tactic

Okay I'm farrrr too much over my timer so I'll be back in ~25 minutes when I get my next long break.

eh, I don't have a distinctive play style village or elim, I'm still new and its still evolving

if someone really wants to analyze MR73 is a good village game for me, and QF76 for elim

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Going to vote on Worldhopper because I don't have time to analyze deeply (ignore the fact I did that earlier, procrastination), it was pointed out to me that Fura brought up the Worldhopper post yesterday indicating it might have some significance, and Worldhopper feels off to me.

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (No I didn't steal that from TwinStorm, I say the non-old tongue version of that a decent amount of the time and it seems fitting here.)

[TwinStorm He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Booknewt said:

Going to vote on Worldhopper because I don't have time to analyze deeply (ignore the fact I did that earlier, procrastination), it was pointed out to me that Fura brought up the Worldhopper post yesterday indicating it might have some significance, and Worldhopper feels off to me.

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (No I didn't steal that from TwinStorm, I say the non-old tongue version of that a decent amount of the time and it seems fitting here.)

yeah, that's my go-to line at the end of the game (stolen from TUH actually tho its one of my favorite lines to say

[Kasimir he/him]

I'll be in and out until an hour from rollover but:

@DrakeMarshall Can I get a vc?

We need two votes to exe and IDR how split everything is rn.

Edited to add:

Also uh, chill guys, the grad school shaming thing is just funny and I had no issue with it, Newt just misread me (or I was tired and incoherent.) My point was that the word has a very specific technical meaning so after doing grad school, I can't use it so casually anymore

Edited October 30, 2025 by Kasimir

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 hours ago, Aeternum said:

That's not my issue with you right now. My issue is you've done nothing in terms of solving. I get not wanting to do big analysis posts and all that, which is fair, but doing absolutely zero solving and dodging when asked questions related to the game? That's elim behaviour.

I can't deny that. You are entirely correct. And if I were you, I too would be frustrated.

But, in my situation, right now, this is the truth: I have done nothing in terms of solving. And I do not intend to change that. For me, solving means analysis posts. If you want to know what my vibe reads are, then this is what I've got:

I like Kas, because of something he said in a PM that I'd rather not disclose to the public.

I like Newt, because she's a relatively new player putting in a lot of work and seems genuine.

Twin is weird, but he's working.

Everyone else I'm kind of neutral on. I'm not trying to solve; I'm trying to float around, have fun, and hopefully help the ISB a little while I'm around. That's all I can give you right now. It's a very different playstyle than I normally do, but right now, it's what feels right.

Can you give any examples of me dodging game-related questions? Because I'd be happy to answer them, in line with my current policy

2 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

Not only is he shaming Kas for . . . not completing grad school

Guys I'm pretty sure that was a joke...

[TwinStorm He/Him]

TwinStorm (1): Kasimir

Hoid Slayer (1): Aeternum

ThatOneWorldhopper (3): TwinStorm, Doc12, Booknewt

this should be right @Kasimir

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I can't deny that. You are entirely correct. And if I were you, I too would be frustrated.

But, in my situation, right now, this is the truth: I have done nothing in terms of solving. And I do not intend to change that. For me, solving means analysis posts. If you want to know what my vibe reads are, then this is what I've got:

I like Kas, because of something he said in a PM that I'd rather not disclose to the public.

I like Newt, because she's a relatively new player putting in a lot of work and seems genuine.

Twin is weird, but he's working.

Everyone else I'm kind of neutral on. I'm not trying to solve; I'm trying to float around, have fun, and hopefully help the ISB a little while I'm around. That's all I can give you right now. It's a very different playstyle than I normally do, but right now, it's what feels right.

Can you give any examples of me dodging game-related questions? Because I'd be happy to answer them, in line with my current policy

Guys I'm pretty sure that was a joke...

it didn't feel like a joke, the way he worded it

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I can't deny that. You are entirely correct. And if I were you, I too would be frustrated.

But, in my situation, right now, this is the truth: I have done nothing in terms of solving. And I do not intend to change that. For me, solving means analysis posts. If you want to know what my vibe reads are, then this is what I've got:

I like Kas, because of something he said in a PM that I'd rather not disclose to the public.

I like Newt, because she's a relatively new player putting in a lot of work and seems genuine.

Twin is weird, but he's working.

Everyone else I'm kind of neutral on. I'm not trying to solve; I'm trying to float around, have fun, and hopefully help the ISB a little while I'm around. That's all I can give you right now. It's a very different playstyle than I normally do, but right now, it's what feels right.

Can you give any examples of me dodging game-related questions? Because I'd be happy to answer them, in line with my current policy

Guys I'm pretty sure that was a joke...

oh? Kas said something?

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'll be in and out until an hour from rollover but:

@DrakeMarshall Can I get a vc?

We need two votes to exe and IDR how split everything is rn.

Edited to add:

Also uh, chill guys, the grad school shaming thing is just funny and I had no issue with it, Newt just misread me (or I was tired and incoherent.) My point was that the word has a very specific technical meaning so after doing grad school, I can't use it so casually anymore

oh ok lol

wait what did you go to grad school for?

Edited October 30, 2025 by TwinStorm
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[Kasimir he/him]

6 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

it didn't feel like a joke, the way he worded it

Ngl the nice thing about wrestling fandom and mental health break is that it's hard to get seriously annoyed by that, coughing baby v hydrogen bomb meme, lots of ragebaiting trolls there

7 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

oh ok lol

wait what did you go to grad school for?

Philosophy.

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Also uh, chill guys, the grad school shaming thing is just funny and I had no issue with it, Newt just misread me (or I was tired and incoherent.) My point was that the word has a very specific technical meaning so after doing grad school, I can't use it so casually anymore

Oh oops sry. I am taking everything far too literally rn bc I've been grinding math questions / going on strange sidetracks about star wars task manager memes of all things. Also just read Worldhopper's message and not the surrounding context.

Leaning more v!Hoid Slayer, just bc a lot of his posts seem pretty genuine (I don't have time to cross reference too much stuff). Certainly haven't removed him from my primary list of potential elims, but feel pretty comfortable voting for Worldhopper at least rn.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

Ngl the nice thing about wrestling fandom and mental health break is that it's hard to get seriously annoyed by that, coughing baby v hydrogen bomb meme, lots of ragebaiting trolls there

Philosophy.

yeah, some fandoms are wild

W degree 

[Aeternum]

I don't really mind if ToW flips, I'll trust you all on that since reading is not my passion, and I don't have a strong read there.

I lean town on Kas, very slightly town on Argenti (for a post earlier, although I read back and now I'm doubting myself lol), and Booknewt. TwinStorm/Argenti I don't think are paired, so if I were wrong on Argenti, I'd flip TwinStorm first. Although we're a little low on numbers to be making reads like that. Fwiw I think I have a lot of trouble reading TwinStorm, and I don't feel confident in v! or e! TwinStorm atm. So I'm at an immediate PoE of something like Doc / TwinStorm / Hoid Slayer / ToW. If ToW flipped elim, I'd probably stop tunneling Hoid Slayer, and TwinStorm would go up in my reads, which would leave Doc as likely the last elim in that case.

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I can't deny that. You are entirely correct. And if I were you, I too would be frustrated.

But, in my situation, right now, this is the truth: I have done nothing in terms of solving. And I do not intend to change that. For me, solving means analysis posts. If you want to know what my vibe reads are, then this is what I've got:

I like Kas, because of something he said in a PM that I'd rather not disclose to the public.

I like Newt, because she's a relatively new player putting in a lot of work and seems genuine.

Twin is weird, but he's working.

Everyone else I'm kind of neutral on. I'm not trying to solve; I'm trying to float around, have fun, and hopefully help the ISB a little while I'm around. That's all I can give you right now. It's a very different playstyle than I normally do, but right now, it's what feels right.

Can you give any examples of me dodging game-related questions? Because I'd be happy to answer them, in line with my current policy

Guys I'm pretty sure that was a joke...

Fair. That is what I was looking for, though. just mentions of reads indicate you're at least somewhat thinking about the game and possible genuine solving if you're town, which is what I'm looking for.

In terms of dodging game-related questions, if you were to look at your own posts across the last couple days, you'd probably notice a lot of excuses when asked about game related things. Idk if there's any point in going back to answer them now.

This does make me reconsider though lol.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

14 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

oh? Kas said something?

Yes

No, you ain't getting it

6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Philosophy.

Oohhh sounds cool

Don't know if I'll be online much more tonight

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain o7

Spoiler

Twin this is giving me flashbacks to last game...

Dang that dice RP was so fun

 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

3 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

I don't see the reason for this post from v/TOW, just feels weird and trying to force something out of Hoid that he can spin into a train

I WAS JOKING.

Edited October 30, 2025 by ThatOneWorldhopper

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

I WAS JOKING.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Vote Tally

TOW (3) - Booknewt, Doc12, TwinStorm
Hoid Slayer (1) - Aeternum
TwinStorm (1) - Kas

I think that's correct.

[Kasimir he/him]

59 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Vote Tally

TOW (3) - Booknewt, Doc12, TwinStorm
Hoid Slayer (1) - Aeternum
TwinStorm (1) - Kas

I think that's correct.

...So basically my vote don't matter here? 

Sorry, just back from a meeting, can be present through to EoD but uh.

Ngl last night's Kas did not fw the TOW train. I'm gonna read and see what's there.

@Aeternum Where're you on Hoid mentally at present?

Edited to add: 

Also gonna add I'm getting slight PTSD from TOW not self-pressing, though there's still 27 minutes left on the clock.

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

15 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Also gonna add I'm getting slight PTSD from TOW not self-pressing, though there's still 27 minutes left on the clock.

Wait yeah he isn't is he... 

I have no clue whether to change my vote. I felt this way last night and regretted it.

Ykw I'm going to go with my instincts since I don't have time to do a deeper analysis. An elim would at least vote in self-preservation, and TOW saw the way the train was headed. Last night I saw that IHAT wasn't reacting like an elim to the votes, and ignored it. I'm not going to make the same mistake today. Pls let me not be wrong. Worldhopper, TwinStorm. 

[Kasimir he/him]

Edited to add 2:

Thoughts for in case I drop dead after this cycle:

-If TOW flips Village, imma need y'all to look at Twinstorm who pointed out that connection. The other players I take to have that kind of ability to follow the thread that closely are in the <Doc, Argenti, Hoid> set - asterisked. I think there's potentially more going on with Argenti than meets the eye and Hoid normally could but is also really busy so IDK, italicised.

-If TOW flips Elim, in this world, since I've dropped dead, I'll be not gaf in the dead doc and watching WWE screw GUNTHER fans over more

-If the Head Honcho drops dead, I would recommend taking a closer look at Doc, as Doc got a bit Head Honcho fishing in our PM. I don't disagree that Doc could be curious (I've been this way in games before) but fundamentally there's again a narrow shortlist of players who could make that shot. I guess add Aet into it.

-No real read on Aet b/c I legit don't know what E!Aet would look like. Some reservations about how differently we're looking at the game but some of it just boils down to ? about whether there's a LHF push going on. Can't offer advice here, just maybe try to read/doublecheck this guy.

-I wanna say I slightly lean V on Hoid for one or two reasons that aren't very strong but have to do with slight paranoia gating in our PM and I don't feel that's a very natural thing for an Elim tryna pocket a Villager to do (they don't tend to be as consistent about it) but that's like...yeah. I can't disagree with what Aet pointed out.

-Ah screw me Newt swapped AAAAAAAA

(tfw u don't like the train/responses but also lack self-confidence since chunks of the game apparently disagree ig)

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

-Ah screw me Newt swapped AAAAAAAA

Wait was that a bad move? I'm basically going off instincts rn

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Booknewt said:

Wait was that a bad move? I'm basically going off instincts rn

IDK MAN BUT I DON'T SEE TOW

Edited to add:

Just ignore me, I'm kinda just doubting everything rn and SCREW ME WHY ARE Y'ALL DEAD PEOPLE LOOKING THE PRESSURE IS INSANE

[Ookla the Newt she/her]

Just going to keep it that way and hope the random tie decider chooses in ISB's favor ig.

Also about the head honcho thing - Doc was digging for that in my dms too so yeah if supervisor drops dead I'm going to be pretty suspect of Doc (even though I want to know who the supervisor is too so i can pick their brain for any information they might have)

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Day five is over.

Hey uh. The last time I ran a QF, the fate of the game came down to a single coin toss, and to make it just a little more interesting, I improvised a duel between the tied players, to choose which side died.

Hypothetically speaking, supposing this game had encountered a similar situation against all odds, do you folks uh. Do you want to do something like that again?

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Hypothetically speaking, supposing this game had encountered a similar situation against all odds, do you folks uh. Do you want to do something like that again?

Spoiler

Is this hypothesis in the room with us right now.

(LMK if I shouldn't be posting.)