Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Archer said: I'm trying to keep you alive here, don't question it Our chance to exe TS was last loop. We didn't, so now we have to ignore them and hope for the best. I'm looking at high rollers, and Burnt half heartedly voting Stick at EOD D3 felt off. Math right now might be that we can kill Burnt and Ash gets Stone uncontested. Standing by as the Scent stuff plays out. Friendly reminder to go buy masks, by the way. Mistfallen, care to join me in voting Burnt? Edit: counter proposal MF, no elim could get Stone, so they didn't care that Ash would have it be cause they're not in a position to contest it. The worst they could be in is the same position as me, with enough to get the mask tonight(if they get enough), so I doubt that. I see no reason for them not to go for it as it basically makes their chances of winning so much higher. Agreed on Burnt Edit: @Burnt Spaghetti if you scanned me n3, what about n2/n1? Edited March 9 by Mistfallen Soldier
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Link gasped, light returning. He lowered his instinctively raised arm. Before him on the grassy plain stretched Clock Town, neither the painted walls or the tops of buildings doing anything to obscure the eponymous clock tower at its centre. Link had been here once before, 33 years ago... No, that wasn't right. He had been here 3 days ago. For the second time... As two realities became three, he emptied his stomach. --- This time he didn't worry about walking. Curled up around his pack, his cap carefully folded away, he rolled, bouncing down the hill, picking up speed. He thought he could run away from it all, but time had reset after three days, returning him straight back to where he started. So this time he was going to do two things: get revenge on that troublesome guard, and finally sleep in the Stock Pot Inn. As he neared the walls, people scrambled out of the way at his approach. "Halt! Stop right there!" The guard called out. Excellent, Link thought, now I know exactly where he is. He hit the guard like a boulder, the man going flying through into the city, Link tumbling after him before finally wobbling to a halt. As he sat up and opened his eyes, he found himself surrounded with tips of sharp spears. "Wait! Look at the guard." The guard laying a few meters away was unconscious, helmet still rolling slightly after coming free in the impact. One of the guards turned to check, and exclaimed, causing some of the others to turn as well. On the man's face... no, that wasn't it. The man's face was a mask - a facsimile of the Hero of Time fused in place. That's when the melee started. Hopefully it was okay to start the drama early. Presumably not all the guards are cultist, right? Anyways, really sorry for disappearing last loop. Too many assignments and by the time I remembered I should have be posting, it was about to be Night 3, and it was really too late to make any impact. Going to try and catch up and do better this loop. 2
Araris Valerian he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 52 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: What. NGL i’m genuinely surprised that the elims didn’t throw that? Sure, i’ll taking having a whole lot more practically confirmed players. Thanks? This team must be wildly confident that they aren't going to get exed. Speaking of what masks people had last cycle, Mistfallen. Care to explain what you were doing targeting Ashbringer last night? So we know that one/both of Burnt/Mist are elim. I'm kinda inclined to think that Burnt is the elim, mostly because I don't want to believe that we are so incompetent we never managed to have an elim as a leading train. The question is whether this is an e/e ploy. I think if Mist was elim and Burnt was village then Mist would be counterclaiming rather than just kind of dodging.
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Also, Twin and Hael would’ve been good targets for a NK without revealing much(assuming they aren’t Elim) and the fact that they want for Ash get suggests one of them is Elim. That or they saw what I did and didn’t want to take the chance. I still need to think more on what the round means, Ash is a confirmed villager from Loop 1, so killing them gives no new info in terms of confirmed/likely villagers at the cost of giving Ash 50 rupees. 1 hour ago, coco.pudding said: So that leaves who, me, Mistfallen, Burnt, Doc, Hael, TwinStorm? With three elims among that? Why the assumption that there was an elim among the dead?
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Haelbarde said: I still need to think more on what the round means, Ash is a confirmed villager from Loop 1, so killing them gives no new info in terms of confirmed/likely villagers at the cost of giving Ash 50 rupees. Why the assumption that there was an elim among the dead? The dead doc mentioned through Ash that TJ slipped up. So i‘m assuming he’s Elim. And if he’s not, that raises our chances. As for the NK on Ash, I’m saying that giving Ash 50 rupees is a pretty bad thing for the Elims and I can’t see them doing it without a reason
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Pretty sure the reason is so there’s 3 living un-confirmed villagers by loop end instead of 2. NKing Hael, Doc, or TwinStorm would give us a good amount of info. 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted March 9 Posted March 9 18 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Why the assumption that there was an elim among the dead? Yeah, ig that’s true. I was assuming we got one but it’s certainly possible we didn’t. However Stick mentioned TJ slipping in dead doc so I’m guessing TJ probably is. I’m not sure what’s going on with the Mistfallen/Burnt situation. They’re both people we’ve been coming back to at different points. They’ve both been a leading train at some point as well. Hm. I think I feel a bit more suspicious of Mistfallen at the moment, their reaction felt a little weird to me? And a lot of our interactions last cycle also made me fairly suspicious. Also didn’t love their whole bit about how getting killed would soft clear them, it felt like them trying to justify not getting killed. 9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: NKing Hael, Doc, or TwinStorm would give us a good amount of info. Why those three specifically?
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Because I think NKing Coco, Mist, or Burnt might result in the Village winning the loop
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Because I think NKing Coco, Mist, or Burnt might result in the Village winning the loop Then you should be fine exing Burnt. We only need to exe two Elims, and so if I have to be exed in order to get you to get another Elim, I’m alright with that
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I'm curious to hear from Stick, or the other dead, about how confident they are on the TJ thing. Because if that was fairly sure, could we aim to just execute TJ, Burnt, and Mist and be pretty confident 2/3 are elims?
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: I'm curious to hear from Stick, or the other dead, about how confident they are on the TJ thing. Because if that was fairly sure, could we aim to just execute TJ, Burnt, and Mist and be pretty confident 2/3 are elims? I’m a fan of this. It doesn’t mean much as you think I’m an Elim, but I would be willing to go through this. That said, both me and Burnt can get the Stone mask, so @Ashbringer needs to get it so that we can’t stop it.
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Archer said: How is that when you've been post maxing and didn't get a mask? @Wahrheitswächter my math man, was the NK necessary? Burnt It ks really odd that they killed Ash. Because there is no World were a NK was necessary for the elims to win the loop. If we killed 0 elims (which is probably not the case) they would have needed only 3 dead villagers, they had 6 and decided to kill an 8th. If we killed 1 elim they would have needed 5 dead villagers they had already 6 and decided to kill a 7th. 14 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Pretty sure the reason is so there’s 3 living un-confirmed villagers by loop end instead of 2. NKing Hael, Doc, or TwinStorm would give us a good amount of info. They Would have gotten the same results with not killing at all, so there was no need to do it Wait a moment, what if the elims also have to kill and we blocked two with the Bremen Mask Day 1? I cant remember if we discussed that already, so whoever had the Bremen Mask L1, mind telling us who you targeted N1 and N3. @Amanuensis Can you Tell us if the elim need to NK or can they Skip it?
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 9 Author Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: @Amanuensis Can you Tell us if the elim need to NK or can they Skip it? They could have skipped it or been blocked.
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Ah, thats to bad, I had hoped they had to NK and that was the reason they got Archer, because I dont See why they did it. All that it Achieved is that the village has access to more Rupees. Why did they do that?
coco.pudding she/they Posted March 9 Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Wait a moment, what if the elims also have to kill and we blocked two with the Bremen Mask Day 1? I cant remember if we discussed that already, so whoever had the Bremen Mask L1, mind telling us who you targeted N1 and N3. N1 I equipped it, N3 I targeted Archer. So no I didn’t use it to block a kill N1 (and yes we did discuss it last d1 but that’s okay : ) It is very weird. Idk, maybe they just thought it would throw us off or something? Not sure how, but I really can’t think of a good reason to do it. Maybe something weird with parity? But no that doesn’t make sense either bc assuming 3 alive elims that’s 7.5 villagers which was not the case. Maybe somehow somebody got enough rupees for Keaton and redirected it onto Ash? Also doesn’t make a ton of sense tho. But actually if someone got max discussion all of loop 1 and D2B and didn’t spend any rupees they could have afforded it. Not sure that applies to anyone tho. Maybe Doc could have if he got enough back from postman loop 1? Sorry that’s a lot of random ideas. I think the takeaway is really just it doesn’t make sense for them to kill Ash, but maybe they thought up some reason that we’re just missing.
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Ah, thats to bad, I had hoped they had to NK and that was the reason they got Archer, because I dont See why they did it. All that it Achieved is that the village has access to more Rupees. Why did they do that? Because otherwise I could have forced us to win. If I got the stone mask. Yall would’ve had to exe 3 people out of 4, 3 of which are Elims, so even if you exed the other village you still would have won. And this would’ve meant they had no wiggle room to get you to exe two villagers
Archer he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Wait a moment, what if the elims also have to kill and we blocked two with the Bremen Mask Day 1? I cant remember if we discussed that already, so whoever had the Bremen Mask L1, mind telling us who you targeted N1 and N3. @Amanuensis Can you Tell us if the elim need to NK or can they Skip it? I had Bremen and used it on no one N1 because it takes a round to equip. I then hit TS N2, followed by Araris (hence the explosion). 11 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: They could have skipped it or been blocked. It's a good kill because Ash was already in the doc, so no extra information was gleaned. We're left with a few options: 1. Incompetence. Implies elims not paying much attention, although I suspect that this was a major discussion point L1, so it's a big miss. Maybe E!Araris left instructions to submit the NK and that got misinterpreted by his remaining teammates when the timeline changed. The profile is pinch hitters and people who are chronically absent. 2. E!Mistfallen wanted to avoid a fear exe by allowing Ashbringer to take Stone uncontested. 3. E!Burnt holding Scents wanted to have an NK to blame Mistfallen for. (They're not necessarily e/v, by the way.) Edit: Another Burnt option is a teammate has Scents and she's claiming to have it, knowing there won't be a counter claim, to make her rupee count seem lower. Edited March 9 by Archer 1
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, Archer said: It's a good kill because Ash was already in the doc, so no extra information was gleaned. We're left with a few options: 4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Because otherwise I could have forced us to win. If I got the stone mask. Yall would’ve had to exe 3 people out of 4, 3 of which are Elims, so even if you exed the other village you still would have won. And this would’ve meant they had no wiggle room to get you to exe two villagers But with killing no one there would also be no more people in the second dead Doc, and the amount of suspects in either Group doesnt change because Ash is confirmed good. All they acomplished was to give us rupees, because with Ash having the captians hat, he would have had no more than 30 rupees this loop, now he has 50. That doesnt make sense
Archer he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: But with killing no one there would also be no more people in the second dead Doc, and the amount of suspects in either Group doesnt change because Ash is confirmed good. All they acomplished was to give us rupees, because with Ash having the captians hat, he would have had no more than 30 rupees this loop, now he has 50. That doesnt make sense There's also: 4. Revenge! They risked being caught by the Scent mask to kill him out of spite. (Seriously, v!Scent mask should have been a bigger problem.) I'll note that the best kill choice if I'd waited until N3 to detonate was NKing me. But if you don't believe I'm village, killing a conf vil as a backup option in case I didn't detonate was the next best play. Again, unnecessary after D3, but elims blindly following instructions from their doc leader might have messed up.
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, Archer said: There's also: 4. Revenge! They risked being caught by the Scent mask to kill him out of spite. (Seriously, v!Scent mask should have been a bigger problem.) I'll note that the best kill choice if I'd waited until N3 to detonate was NKing me. But if you don't believe I'm village, killing a conf vil as a backup option in case I didn't detonate was the next best play. Again, unnecessary after D3, but elims blindly following instructions from their doc leader might have messed up. At this point we kind of have to assume you are a focus on the six. Unless someone explains what happened with TJ?
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 The music pierced the darkness again. Coliver blinked, then recoiled away from the open oven. No. No no no, she was not nearly burning herself this time, this was - this time? Moonfall, she'd been shot. That had hurt. She absentmindedly set down the tray of pastries, shut the oven, and slumped down to the ground. That... darkness... she didn't think anyone else had gone through it from Ap's friends, they wouldn't know how bad it was. She didn't know if she could do it again. If she died again, and Ap brought her back again, if she'd be able to stand, to get off this floor and go try and be a hero again. Moons, her legs were still debating that point. But while her body conversed and ached, her mind was making itself up. She'd saved someone. She hadn't been knocked out, kidnapped... stabbed... she'd taken an arrow for someone. Someone that something, deep down in the recesses that trusted, told her was Ap. It wasn't meant for her. But she'd taken it anyway. It was her. Choice. To make. And that was important, somehow. It was the decision she'd made on that cliff face, before it was taken from her for the second time in... three days? Six? How did you count this? Decisions. Actions. She needed to get Makazi and Vale - Vale would have been too far away, but Makazi would remember this time. She needed to find the others... Moons. She needed to find Zymni. If Thistle's friend had gone through what she had - she didn't know for sure. But that same trust didn't trust that Zymni would just be last. "Coliver?" That wasn't Makazi's voice. She turned to see Not, Not, Marton. From toe to neck it still looked like him, but its face... its face looked like Marton's was shining through that carnival glass that stretched it out, then was pushed together to look like a face, with the color blanched and the cheek scales drawn in and... something calmed Coliver's initial terror. It was a face. Just a face. Just... not Marton's face. And not Marton's sword, either. The spirit was in full appearance now. "Hi," the spirit said. "We should probably talk." 1
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted March 9 Posted March 9 3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: The worst they could be in is the same position as me, with enough to get the mask tonight(if they get enough), so I doubt that. I see no reason for them not to go for it as it basically makes their chances of winning so much higher. Agreed on Burnt Edit: @Burnt Spaghetti if you scanned me n3, what about n2/n1? N1 i was equipping the mask, N2 I targeted coco with no result. This was part of my reason for going stick over coco tbh. I know that doesn't really clear anyone because coco could've just not done the kill that turn, but it was one of the things that tipped the balance a bit for me. 1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’m a fan of this. It doesn’t mean much as you think I’m an Elim, but I would be willing to go through this. That said, both me and Burnt can get the Stone mask, so @Ashbringer needs to get it so that we can’t stop it. Look I second this (the idea of us both dying). If me dying too means that we've guaranteed one elim is dead then I'm down for that. Ideally we get all three exes successful, so this does mean there will be one lost exe, but at the guarantee of an evil dead seems a win to me. I also agree that it is good if ashbringer gets the stone mask. That being in the hands of a confirmed villager Is much more preferable to anyone under suspicion. Mist and I shouldn't be able to afford a purple until tonight anyways, so ash should be able to get first dibs easily there. @Wonko the Sane Out of curiosity, (I'm assuming since pms never came back online that you were indeed postmaster), did you get a list of people who attempted to pm D1?
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: N1 i was equipping the mask, N2 I targeted coco with no result. This was part of my reason for going stick over coco tbh. I know that doesn't really clear anyone because coco could've just not done the kill that turn, but it was one of the things that tipped the balance a bit for me. Look I second this (the idea of us both dying). If me dying too means that we've guaranteed one elim is dead then I'm down for that. Ideally we get all three exes successful, so this does mean there will be one lost exe, but at the guarantee of an evil dead seems a win to me. I also agree that it is good if ashbringer gets the stone mask. That being in the hands of a confirmed villager Is much more preferable to anyone under suspicion. Mist and I shouldn't be able to afford a purple until tonight anyways, so ash should be able to get first dibs easily there. @Wonko the Sane Out of curiosity, (I'm assuming since pms never came back online that you were indeed postmaster), did you get a list of people who attempted to pm D1? I find it concerning that you’re agreeing with me since I know you’re Elim. Like, I get you still have to put up the facade to convince the others, but I still find it weird because it means I can’t tell if you actually want this to happen. I mean, you can afford to let us win a loop or two I suppose
|TJ| he/him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 This was my case for a Coco/Archer team which I had posted in the dead doc - Quote “I’d say the person I’m currently most suspicious of is Archer, but that may change with their response.“ - Coco [Night 1-A] “As for Archer, I am more suspicious of him out those those two [Archer and Wonko], and I agree that it may be more beneficial to have him in the dead doc IF (and that’s a big if) the elims do win and therefore dead players are cleared. But I also think it’s weird that he wanted to be voted out, and I’d like to know more about why before voting him.” - Coco [Day 2-A] “My strongest village reads right now would probably be Mistfallen, Divergent, maybe Wahr, maybe Wonko. Archer I’m a bit more on the fence about but still leaning village.” - Coco [Day 2-A] The latest quote was when Archer was in the lead with Wonko. It’s weird how the read on Archer goes from suspicious to leaning village without any reason. Quote “I think the reason for why he’s [Archer] jumping so much makes sense. He’s basically putting pressure on each person, once they give reasons for the activity he was suspicious of he’s moving on to the next person. In the last game (at least from what I remember) he wasn’t really giving reasons for it, but he does seem to be now. So I guess, no, I don’t think it is? At least not any more than the other things he’s been doing.” - Coco [Day 2-A] Speaks for/defends Archer in reply to Divergent’ question that Archer has been jumping between votes. Quote “And then N3 I targeted Archer (sorry Archer, I’ve just been kinda suspicious of you this whole game so far). Can I still have a baked good? Or am I on probation?” - Coco [Day 1-B] Interesting… Quote “Archer - Consistently active and adding a lot to discussion. I was a little bit suspicious D1 since they only decided to start discussing elim strategy and all that after Wonko already had, meaning it was already on their mind and they just didn’t want to discuss it until someone else had already started that conversation. There was also the code stuff with Mistfallen, but I don’t really think that’s an issue since we did find out what they were talking about and they were very open about it once the loop was over. They wanted to know about who had which masks and what was discovered at the start of this loop and were sort of leading conversation around that. I was (and am) still a bit suspicious of them towards the end of the first loop so I did use Bremen on them. I guess they could have sent in the kill and I managed to block it, but I honestly don’t know. I really can’t get a good read on them, which I feel like is kind of a problem considering how active they’ve been. I’m leaning village, but it could really go either way.” - Coco [Day 2-B] “Archer I’ve been mildly suspicious of for most of the game, I can’t get a great read on him, I mainly get village but there’s some things that also throw that off a bit.” - Coco [Day 2-B] In general, very much tip-toeing around giving Archer a read. Very on-the-fence hesitancy the whole game. And then of course, we have Archer’s ping for Coco to self-pres. Coco made it 3-3 Archer-Wahr in D2A, a crucial juncture vote. Archer saved Coco in D2B. Archer and Coco very clearly paired. Archer blasting Araris was a clever way of getting himself in the pool of "cleared players" while also making sure to presumably kill a villager without fully clearing them (you Blast Araris, you can still put forth an e!Araris case as Araris is not fully cleared. you kill Araris and you're fully clearing him). Burnt is more likely to be lying as well. We are in the Loop where we HAVE to kill 2 elims. If you catch an elim in the act, and you know they are going to deny it, you make your case as believable as possible. Imo, a villager gives a history of actions here to ensure their case is solid and there is no chance for elim to slip through. If Burnt is evil, then chances of e!Coco significantly increases as she voted Divergent to protect Burnt. e!Coco then signifies e!Archer because of the connections I mentioned above. Burnt/Coco/Archer is the way to go. BUT, I do think we should prioritise Coco over Burnt and I do think the ploy from Burnt is so that we concentract on Burnt/Mistfallen so that Coco (who has clearly earned enough rupees) can buy the Mask that makes someone un-exe-able. Coco Stick asked Ash to say that I had e-slipped just as a reaction test. But I'm revealing that because you guys have reacted and we cannot afford any more distractions. More thoughts to come about other players but I'm at work so brb...
Myst He/Him Posted March 9 Posted March 9 That reminds me, Coco can get a purple mask, but I’m not sure about Doc, he hasn’t been here obviously, but whether he can severely influences what I think the Elim team is. Does anyone know if he got a mask? Was the dead doc able to figure it out? Did he mention it and I forgot?
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