Autism/neurodivergence club

[Usseewa ✾ She♡They ✾]

16 minutes ago, Deception said:

Philosophy yap for no reason (completely unhelpful but read it if u want whatever):

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If all of your decisions were impulsive, they would all be valid - but if only some were impulsive, things get complicated.

First of all: If all of your decisions are impulsive:

All humans take a certain amount of time, and all humans have valid decisions. All mice take a shorter amount of time, and a mouse decision is still valid to a mouse. Therefore, there is no universal amount of decision time for all decision makers.

In addition, a higher IQ person may come to decisions faster. This makes their decisions more valid, not less, so this invalidation doesn't make sense.

 

Now for the rabbit hole of only some decisions being impulsive:

You could say that the impulsive ones are invalid because they are less educated than non-impulsive ones

You could also say that they are all equally valid because using the same logic to separate the human race's decision time, you can separate an individual's decision time.

YAP YAP Yap Yap yap yap yap yap yap...

Ok now that I have said nothing in a whole lot of words, here is my real answer:

IDK

people (including mysefl) really shouldnt apologize for "ranting" or "yapping" especially not on an internet forum and especially when

some people enjoy reading longer posts because more info stuff

 

also it's usually shorter than you think, *wink*

 

(hheheh)

Edited June 5 by Usseewa

[Aeoryi she/her]

5 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

Also why u say things abt iq so much

IQ is intellegence quotient: your intellect versus that which is expected for your age, then multiplied by 100, I believe. 

In terms of what it actually means it's literally just an arbitrary number, one of the many times a complex concept like intellect has been attempted to be quantified 

[Usseewa ✾ She♡They ✾]

Just now, Aeoryi said:

IQ is intellegence quotient: your intellect versus that which is expected for your age, then multiplied by 100, I believe. 

In terms of what it actually means it's literally just an arbitrary number, one of the many times a complex concept like intellect has been attempted to be quantified 

ik what it is/means

nvm tho i was asking smth else tho but nvm it was a wee bit rude

 

some things are not built for quantification or boxes i think

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Usseewa said:

ik what it is/means

nvm tho i was asking smth else tho but nvm it was a wee bit rude

 

some things are not built for quantification or boxes i think

many things are not built for quantification

[BlueWildRye he/him]

I am the quantification

[Deception He/Him]

25 minutes ago, BlueWildRye said:

I am the quantification

Huh?

1 hour ago, Usseewa said:

some things are not built for quantification or boxes i think

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

many things are not built for quantification

True. IQ does a horrible job at representing someone. But it can still be useful as a baseline sometimes, as long as you remember it isn't a limit. My (possibly quite biased) ranking of important intelligence factors looks something like this:

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1: Enjoyment of learning and/or determination to learn

2: Work Ethic

3: Formal education

4: A good childhood / nice parents

5: IQ

6: Money (NOT saying that being rich makes you smart. I'm saying it is very difficult to get anywhere if you can't pay for things like college, books, a computer, etc)

As you can see, IQ is pretty far down the list. But it is also the easiest one to measure, so people use it more often. That doesn't make it any better.

[Aeoryi she/her]

13 minutes ago, Deception said:

Huh?

True. IQ does a horrible job at representing someone. But it can still be useful as a baseline sometimes, as long as you remember it isn't a limit. My (possibly quite biased) ranking of important intelligence factors looks something like this:

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1: Enjoyment of learning and/or determination to learn

2: Work Ethic

3: Formal education

4: A good childhood / nice parents

5: IQ

6: Money (NOT saying that being rich makes you smart. I'm saying it is very difficult to get anywhere if you can't pay for things like college, books, a computer, etc)

As you can see, IQ is pretty far down the list. But it is also the easiest one to measure, so people use it more often. That doesn't make it any better.

Perhaps I'm missing the point of why we need to measure intelligence to begin with.

[Deception He/Him]

30 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Perhaps I'm missing the point of why we need to measure intelligence to begin with.

Because people want to know stuff, and measurements are the easiest way to visualize things, I guess? Why do people want to measure the wave lengths of light? Why do people want to measure the distance to the moon?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

hi im here what happened

im the local crazy guy who started a completely unrelated to sanderson book cult

[Deception He/Him]

55 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

hi im here what happened

im the local crazy guy who started a completely unrelated to sanderson book cult

WHAT CULT? I MUST KNOW!

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 hour ago, Deception said:

Because people want to know stuff, and measurements are the easiest way to visualize things, I guess? Why do people want to measure the wave lengths of light? Why do people want to measure the distance to the moon?

Attempting to "objectively" compare humans is just grounds for trying to determine what kinds of people are "objectively superior" which is kinda... suspect.

I have found multiple times throughout my life that people who are traditionally considered "more stupid", per say, have been some of the kindest friends I've ever had. And there are some people who are really smart who I have been friends with who have not been great at well, being friends. I value both of them equally. If I even was to endorse the idea that some people are inherently and objectively more valuable, better than others, I would be not only contradicting what my experience has led me to conclude, but I would also be dismissing the value of people as a whole. 

There are also theories of multiple intelligences that are decently supported, and your definition of intellect doesn't seem to account for that.

Put simply, there is merely little or no value when it comes to objectively comparing humans, and the entire concept of intellect kinda just falls short when you start thinking about what it actually is. 

I guess I bring this up because I think that this kind of thinking, this method of looking at people, I think it's highly ineffective and I really don't want anyone reading this thread to take away the conclusion of "higher IQ = better".

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[Deception He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Attempting to "objectively" compare humans is just grounds for trying to determine what kinds of people are "objectively superior" which is kinda... suspect.

I have found multiple times throughout my life that people who are traditionally considered "more stupid", per say, have been some of the kindest friends I've ever had. And there are some people who are really smart who I have been friends with who have not been great at well, being friends. I value both of them equally. If I even was to endorse the idea that some people are inherently and objectively more valuable, better than others, I would be not only contradicting what my experience has led me to conclude, but I would also be dismissing the value of people as a whole. 

There are also theories of multiple intelligences that are decently supported, and your definition of intellect doesn't seem to account for that.

Put simply, there is merely little or no value when it comes to objectively comparing humans, and the entire concept of intellect kinda just falls short when you start thinking about what it actually is. 

My ranking was mainly for the kind of intelligence that gets you a job and skill.

Yes, the theories of multiple intelligence are better.

I believe everything is objective and anything can be objectively compared, so I can't say that humans cannot be objectively compared, but what I am about to say means basically the same thing:

Humans cannot be objectively compared in a way simple enough for the human mind to understand. We are too complex and varied.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 minute ago, Deception said:

My ranking was mainly for the kind of intelligence that gets you a job and skill.

Yes, the theories of multiple intelligence are better.

I believe everything is objective and anything can be objectively compared, so I can't say that humans cannot be objectively compared, but what I am about to say means basically the same thing:

Humans cannot be objectively compared in a way simple enough for the human mind to understand. We are too complex and varied.

I would perhaps instead argue that everything is subjective and that nothing can be considered objective. 

 

[Deception He/Him]

Just now, Aeoryi said:

I would perhaps instead argue that everything is subjective and that nothing can be considered objective. 

 

Well, I don't think we will be changing each other's minds any time soon I don't want to argue about it.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

16 minutes ago, Deception said:

WHAT CULT? I MUST KNOW!

ORV

Very long, big commitment.

[Aeoryi she/her]

11 minutes ago, Deception said:

Well, I don't think we will be changing each other's minds any time soon I don't want to argue about it.

mmmm

Spoiler

I only make an effort to disagree because I fear you have a dangerous, hurtful line of thinking.

 

11 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

ORV

Very long, big commitment.

Is that a rpg

Edited June 5 by Aeoryi

[Deception He/Him]

24 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

mmmm

Spoiler

Ok so are we just arguing in spoiler boxes now?

It's not hurtful to me. I like it when I can explain things. And I never said everything had a simple objective explanation. Just that at the base level, everything can be traced down to objective, predictable events.

[Aeoryi she/her]

8 minutes ago, Deception said:

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Ok so are we just arguing in spoiler boxes now?

It's not hurtful to me. I like it when I can explain things. And I never said everything had a simple objective explanation. Just that at the base level, everything can be traced down to objective, predictable events.

can we move to a PM or something 

[Deception He/Him]

1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

can we move to a PM or something 

Ok.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

9 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

mmmm

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I only make an effort to disagree because I fear you have a dangerous, hurtful line of thinking.

 

Is that a rpg

Book. 551 Chapters, webnovel, translated from korean.

[Deception He/Him]

On 6/5/2026 at 6:41 AM, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Book. 551 Chapters, webnovel, translated from korean.

Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint?

btw NO SPOILERS

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

On 6/6/2026 at 11:17 PM, Deception said:

Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint?

btw NO SPOILERS

OMG UR READING IT

Can I add you to a gc (PM with a bunch o people)

I have been recruiting peoplee to ORV for so long, check my sig

Edited June 8 by CoderDrag0n8

[Deception He/Him]

1 hour ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

OMG UR READING IT

Can I add you to a gc (PM with a bunch o people)

I have been recruiting peoplee to ORV for so long, check my sig

Not reading yet, I need to finish Elantris.

Then I probably will.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, Deception said:

Not reading yet, I need to finish Elantris.

Then I probably will.

Mmm tell me when you start!

[Deception He/Him]

This story used to be a bit distressing to tell but now I am okay with it.

 

I was diagnosed with autism at an extremely young age.

When I was really little, in elementary school, my mom sent me to a place that was most likely ABA therapy, although I am not sure. If you don't know what ABA is, it is basically a highly repetitive method that is more training than teaching, designed for cognitively disabled autistic kids. I was autistic, but definitely not cognitively disabled, so it did NOT work for me. I started to dread going there for days before my sessions.

The place was called Blue Sky. Here is how it worked. First, they built up my trust of the place, letting me jump in a ball pit and play around with other kids. Then they started ABA. I don't want to frame them as evil - the method really does work for some people - but I certainly thought they were evil at the time. Here is a list of some the things they did. I am sure there was more but these three I can remember.

• The Idiot Flashcards:
  • The Idiot Flashcards is my name for a deck of flashcards they used for me. It just had cards with images on them, of very basic objects. I remember one was an excavator. There may have been an apple or something too, I don't remember the specifics very well. They would show me a card, and then ask me, "what is this?", in a very slow voice. Obviously, I got everything right, because I wasn't cognitively disabled. Except for one thing. There was a backhoe loader (basically imagine a cross between an excavator and a bulldozer) on one of the cards. I called it a backhoe loader, because that is what they are called. They apparently wanted me to call it an excavator and thought I was wrong. I refused to call it an excavator because that isn't what it was, and that must have proven to them that I was disabled. 
• The Map of Boredom:
  • This Map of Boredom was a gigantic mat on the floor, with roads and buildings on it. They gave me a toy car and told me to bring it to one of the houses. I picked up the car and put it on a house. They instantly failed me on that task, instead of telling me I was supposed to use the roads. My theory is they thought I was too stupid to understand if they told me.
• The Terrible Tracks:
  • Liking the names I am coming up with? This is the best one so far, I think. The Terrible Tracks was a toy train track set. I could snap the pieces together and make a track. Except they were all broken!!! They then expected me to build at track, which I couldn't do because the track pieces wouldn't fit together. They were BROKEN! Somehow the adults didn't notice this.

 

Eventually I got fed up with the place and started begging my mom not to make me go. The next season, I was taken out of the ABA program but placed DIRECTLY INTO SOMETHING ALMOST AS BAD!!!

The new group was still at Blue Sky. The program was simply called "social skills", and there was a group of kids. They would give us situations so long they were impossible to remember, with no context whatsoever, and then expect us to tell them what the right thing to do would be. In addition, not a single kid there had the same problems as me. One had anxiety, another had speech delays, a third was very good at saying nothing in a lot of words when he didn't understand things. One was way too old and was clearly masking heavily.

Sometimes problems would come up, or I would ask a normal question to an adult in the room, and the adult would give me this dumbed down, useless answer, thinking I wouldn't be able to understand a normal one.

Eventually, I lost control. I tried to escape the room. An adult caught me. The first time I argued with words. The second time I wasn't so nice. I got violent. This started happening every day. Eventually they told my mom. She was MAD. She punished me and said I would get another punishment whenever I misbehaved there. I didn't stop - I couldn't control myself. Eventually they started threatening to kick me out. I was relieved... until my mom said if I was kicked out, I would be cleaning the bathroom for an hour every Monday when I would have been at Blue Sky.

I managed to control myself after that. For a few days, at least. Then it started again.

 

Then the strangest thing happened. My mom just stopped sending me there after that attack. She must have realized something, although I have no idea what. She didn't punish me, and she completely cut the program out of my life. From that point on we both just tried to pretend that Blue Sky had never existed.

 

 

Does anyone else here have a story like this, of someone trying to "fix" you?

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