Predict Minor Developments in the ten year gap to SA6 [MINOR ONLY!]

[reisleK she/her]

On 12/12/2024 at 8:26 PM, Ookla the Pancake said:

A Bride Four-based religion (maybe an offshoot of Vorinism) starts, with dead and missing Bridge Four members (Kal, Rock, Teft, Leyten, and Sigzil, plus maybe Dunny) being deified by the time Book 6 rolls around. 

That seems to similar to surivorism imo

[Lacra Maldita]

I think we'll see a child of Kaladin and Syl in the second arc

[wormotif]

1 hour ago, Lacra Maldita said:

I think we'll see a child of Kaladin and Syl in the second arc

I think Syladin is inevitable at this point, but I don't think we'll see a change in their relationship status during the timeskip; it's only months for them:
 

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An unexpected warping of time has happened, so it will pass strangely for us. More strangely even than what is happening on Roshar. While years pass there, months will pass for us. (WaT 1328). 

And yes, I do think the extra-dilation for Kaladin, Syl, and the Heralds is mostly so we can see Kaladin/Syl happen onscreen.

[Lacra Maldita]

49 minutes ago, wormotif said:

Creo que Syladin es inevitable en este punto, pero no creo que veamos un cambio en el estado de su relación durante el salto temporal; son solo meses para ellos:
 

Y sí, creo que la dilatación extra para Kaladin, Syl y los Heraldos es principalmente para que podamos ver a Kaladin/Syl en la pantalla.

If I remember that, it bothers me a little, I thought they would have 80 years to live everything. Their son could be a Gohan (Dragon Ball). A hybrid

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Skar will train Oroden.

[Hayama]

2 hours ago, wormotif said:

I think Syladin is inevitable at this point, but I don't think we'll see a change in their relationship status during the timeskip; it's only months for them:
 

And yes, I do think the extra-dilation for Kaladin, Syl, and the Heralds is mostly so we can see Kaladin/Syl happen onscreen.

Please, storms, no! I hate hate hate "Syladin", even after this book - which I suppose tempered my hatred down from a loathing. It's still just... it feels wrong to me.

I do think a love triangle between Lift, Zahel, and Azure would be funny. Though that is almost as wrong...

[logicless.bt]

5 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Given that Knights of Wind and Truth was written by an Elsecaller six years after the Stormfall, it looks to me like contact with the outer world will be reestablished within a few years. So there is no generation growing up under the bubble.

 

Well, its not specified whether the order referenced is Elsecallers or Veritstitalian. Also, radiants can most easily practice their powers at the Tower due to light

[TheOtherDave]

3 hours ago, wormotif said:

I think Syladin is inevitable at this point, but I don't think we'll see a change in their relationship status during the timeskip; it's only months for them

This is a horrible idea. Clearly Kal needs to get with Chana so that when the heralds return Shallan’s head can explode.

 

Come to think of it, Adolin’s might too.

 

[Use the Falchion]

Lift will be on the run, due to being the only Radiant able to function outside Urithiru. (She's something of a scout, but mostly ends up helping those around her.)

Shallan will have made a name for herself as an information broker.

The rise of the Un-Oathed will help enforce a semi-stalemate against Retribution's forces. 

 

1 hour ago, Hayama said:

I do think a love triangle between Lift, Zahel, and Azure would be funny. Though that is almost as wrong...

No offense, but I think I find that worse than Syladin. At least Syladin has some groundwork, and Kaladin clearly doesn't think of Syl as a child. (The text goes out of its way to say that, in fact.) 

For Zahel and Lift, it'd feel FAR too much like grooming for my liking. I HAVE FULL FAITH IN BRANDON THAT HE WOULDN'T MAKE THIS THE CASE, but Zahel has far too much physical and now emotional leverage over Lift at this time to make it remotely comfortable to me. Maybe Lift could have a crush during this time and Zahel either doesn't know or doesn't care, but that's as far as I think it should go. 

[wormotif]

3 hours ago, Hayama said:

Please, storms, no! I hate hate hate "Syladin", even after this book - which I suppose tempered my hatred down from a loathing. It's still just... it feels wrong to me.

I do think a love triangle between Lift, Zahel, and Azure would be funny. Though that is almost as wrong...

I don't think Syladin is wrong at all at this point. Syl & Kaladin are both the same "species" (being made of pure investiture instead of flesh & blood), have the same life expectancy (immortality), are at comparable points of maturity and experience, and there's not even a hint of problematic power dynamics now that Ba Ado Mishram's back and oathbreaking doesn't create deadeyes. I never saw Syl as childlike, nor was she meant to seem that way per WaT; while that doesn't override your experience of the books, I don't think it makes the relationship wrong.

FWIW, I was deeply skeptical of Syladin before this book and thought it a crackpot theory because of the whole different forms of existence bit. That's no longer the case, and I'm ok with it now.

As far as why I think it's inevitable (and hence why I made my peace with it and why I think you should make your peace with it sometime in the next IRL decade before Stormlight 6):

• Syl & Kaladin are by the far the most meaningful person in each other's lives & there's not really an alternative viable romantic candidate for either at this point at all (other than the Heralds, and that seems very unlikely to me)
• Syl was extremely flirty with Kaladin in WaT in a way that is absolutely intentional (the dance, heads resting on shoulders, even the discussion of the notorious chull head)
• A bunch of things happen in WaT that very conveniently remove all obstacles to Syladin (Kaladin becoming a Herald, Ba Ado Mishram being freed, Kaladin explicitly calling out that he's always seen Syl as an adult). This is definitely not a coincidence

And yeah, as stated above, any kind of romantic relationship after the timeskip involving Lift with any adult character who knows her now would be absolutely, horrifically wrong. Given that Zahel is her teacher, that'd be worst of all.

[Lacra Maldita]

9 hours ago, TheOtherDave said:

Es una idea horrible. Está claro que Kal necesita estar con Chana para que, cuando regresen los heraldos, la cabeza de Shallan pueda explotar.

 

Ahora que lo pienso, Adolin también podría hacerlo.

 

Kal with Chana? That would be garbage. I'm not up for another Kal off-panel relationship. Sanderson has 2 options, Kaladin without a partner because he could still be happy, or Kaladin with Syl, who are soulmates. As the guy above said, there were many parts of the book that point to Kal and Syl being something more. Syl becoming Kal's scribe, Renarin and Drehy's conversation about romance and that we are all people, I don't remember the chapter but there is a mention of some sprens getting married, the dance scene. There was a lot of Syladin flirting. If we have humans dating kandras, Tavanast had a dragon as a partner, then a human (now a herald) and the spren queen having a romance shouldn't be far-fetched.

[Aela Nox]

On 12/12/2024 at 11:34 PM, Qianweilian said:

Vorinism will go crazy. Some of them are going to be traditional, some of them will worship Dalinar, some of them will even worship Retribution, I could even see some of them ending up worshiping Syl or the Sibling

I can definitely see this happening. It’s happened on other worlds after all… 

[+robardin he/him]

18 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Given that Knights of Wind and Truth was written by an Elsecaller six years after the Stormfall, it looks to me like contact with the outer world will be reestablished within a few years. So there is no generation growing up under the bubble.

Actually, if you read carefully, the listeners at Narak are granted free (no strings attached) use of infused spheres of Warlight in order to fuel their powers as Willshapers and to grow crops, and El noted that the terms of the ceding of the Shattered Plains to the "listener nation" (who occupied it at the time of the Contest) by Jasnah, Queen of Alethkar (the previous "legal owner"), included "tariffs on any use of the Oathgate" at Narak, and rental income for the "land to the humans for their lumberyards and farms" on the Shattered Plains.

Put those two together and it's possible that the Oathgate at Narak can still function with Warlight, and that they will be able to operate it to link to Urithiru, with humans still operating farms on the Shattered Plains. (Highprince Sebarial can breathe a sigh of relief!)

Combine that with the fact that they control access to the only Perpendicularity left on Roshar, Retribution's Shardpool, and Listenerland is going to be pretty well set up, as long as they can defend their hegemony.

Edited December 15, 2024 by robardin

[Dalluminum he/him]

11 hours ago, wormotif said:

I was deeply skeptical of Syladin before this book and thought it a crackpot theory because of the whole different forms of existence bit. That's no longer the case, and I'm ok with it now.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not much of a shipper myself, but the second I read the dance scene it seemed pretty inevitable.

[reisleK she/her]

Syladin could be platonic, I wouldn't care too much. Just like really close in a platonic way. I don't think Kal needs someone romantically. 

[earthexile]

I believe at least some of the Fused, finally triumphant and freed from conflict to share their wisdom and productive capacity with their beloved singers, will undergo a process of healing not unlike what Kaladin and the Heralds hope to accomplish. There was that Husked One who seemed very excited to be farming. Raboniel expressed how much she would prefer to just do science all the time. I think that these burned out, exhausted beings are going to rediscover some joy and vitality by building a singer nation under a supportive God.

And they're not going to want to start fighting again.

[hagmania]

The protester honorspren at Lasting Integrity will make their way to Adolin’s club and will wield blades and plate like Notum

AND/OR

those same spren will be able to be summoned to the Physical Realm as blades without ever making oaths

[RefusesToElaborate]

On 12/13/2024 at 10:53 AM, mdross81 said:

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

After Stormfather dies, Syls clothes shift to something more regal, and Kaladin sees a little storm in her eyes.

This has two fun implications for me.

Firstly, Syl inherited her father's position. Yay.

Second, could she now be a Bondsmith spren? She does seem to want Kaladin to speak more words. She does make him an Honourspear, she is potentially the largest remaining fragment of Honour.

Would Kaladin recieve his lashings from the Spear but also recieve adhesion and tension from Syl?

[+robardin he/him]

22 minutes ago, RefusesToElaborate said:

After Stormfather dies, Syls clothes shift to something more regal, and Kaladin sees a little storm in her eyes.

This has two fun implications for me.

Firstly, Syl inherited her father's position. Yay.

Second, could she now be a Bondsmith spren? She does seem to want Kaladin to speak more words. She does make him an Honourspear, she is potentially the largest remaining fragment of Honour.

Would Kaladin recieve his lashings from the Spear but also recieve adhesion and tension from Syl?

So in a world without Stormlight, can the Heralds still fuel their Surgebinding with some kind of “direct link to Honor” once bonded to their Honorblades again?

And Kaladin, I assume he like Nale could have TWO Shardblades, one the Honorblade and one from his spren. Or two spears. Or, one Honorspear and one Sylshield, as well as windspren Plate?

[Dreamwa1ker she/her]

Zabra will train for these 10 years under Adolin to be the badass swordfighter she always wanted to be.

The word deevy becomes part of the normal lexicon on Roshar.

Adolin designs fashion accessories for his prosthetic leg.

Lift becomes a folk hero/mythical figure, a mysterious young woman who sneaks town to town performing miraculous healings in exchange for food.

Shallan and Adolin’s child will indeed have YuGiOh hair. And Pattern will be Shallan's midwife and then babysitter.

 

 

 

[DiePie]

The Listener's polity on the shattered plains uses its position as the only place with trade deals between both Urithiru (and thereby Azir), and location on the well of control, to become a trade hub, the center of shady/legally dubious industries (such as organized warlight smuggling), and (later on) exporter of knockoff products (because of it's lax legal code and established economic relations with other major powers).

[+robardin he/him]

5 minutes ago, DiePie said:

The Listener's polity on the shattered plains uses its position as the only place with trade deals between both Urithiru (and thereby Azir), and location on the well of control, to become a trade hub, the center of shady/legally dubious industries (such as organized warlight smuggling), and (later on) exporter of knockoff products (because of it's lax legal code and established economic relations with other major powers).

Narak worldport. A wretched hive of scum and villainy... We must be cautious.

[duladen he/him]

Singers will settle in Iri, since the Iriali are gone and they previously tried to negotiate for that land.

Shallan/Adolin's baby will be super pale, considering they will have never seen a real sun.

Religion is going to be all kinds of f*@ked up. The Singers and Fused will mostly worship Retribution, maybe Listeners too. Dalinar is going to have a Kelsier-esque status, although mostly negative. I think due to his infamy, perhaps a cognitive entity might form as a counter to the Blackthornspren. Navani will be revered by everyone that lives in Urithiru.

I was going to guess the Fused would mercy-kill those among them that are way far gone with anti-Voidlight... but that doesn't exit anymore, does it? Would anti-Warlight work? Are we calling it Warlight?

[DSCrankshaw]

Maya will serve as a go-between for Adolin and Shallan, as based on what she did when she brought the deadeyes to Adolin, she can

(1) let him see into Shadesmar ("The scene of the ornate hallway faded around him, and for a moment he saw through her eyes in Shadesmar."),

(2) let him hear what people say in Shadesmar ("The ashspren opened her mouth and forced out a few sounds. “Wa … wa … tch…”"),

(3) let people in Shadesmar see him ("One of them—an ashspren that was nearly a skeleton—pointed at his leg. His missing one, which they seemed able to recognize across realms."),  and

(4) let people in Shadesmar hear him ("“Watchers,” Adolin said, “at the rim.” She nodded . . .")

I'm not 100% on (3) or (4), as I think he might be effectively possessing Maya, so the Deadeyes may only see and hear him because they're cognitive beings who don't perceive like humans do.

Maya's probably more effective for letting Adolin interact with his wife and child than a seon, though she doesn't have as much range.

[Texside he/him/his]

33 minutes ago, DSCrankshaw said:

Maya will serve as a go-between for Adolin and Shallan, as based on what she did when she brought the deadeyes to Adolin, she can

(1) let him see into Shadesmar ("The scene of the ornate hallway faded around him, and for a moment he saw through her eyes in Shadesmar."),

(2) let him hear what people say in Shadesmar ("The ashspren opened her mouth and forced out a few sounds. “Wa … wa … tch…”"),

(3) let people in Shadesmar see him ("One of them—an ashspren that was nearly a skeleton—pointed at his leg. His missing one, which they seemed able to recognize across realms."),  and

(4) let people in Shadesmar hear him ("“Watchers,” Adolin said, “at the rim.” She nodded . . .")

I'm not 100% on (3) or (4), as I think he might be effectively possessing Maya, so the Deadeyes may only see and hear him because they're cognitive beings who don't perceive like humans do.

Maya's probably more effective for letting Adolin interact with his wife and child than a seon, though she doesn't have as much range.

Oh, I like this a lot; I hadn't even considered that. Between that and seon communication, they'll at least be able to talk.

My own prediction is that Thaylenah is going to have some financial crisis in the intervening time. The Night of Sorrows causing weather disruptions, the not-fully-specified geographic changes to Roshar, and the likelihood of Retribution's empire having trouble... I could see trade being way down from what they were thinking and what Taravangian implied. I'll be really curious to see how Thaylenah does.