Long Game 97: Midnight Whimsy

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Can you not self vote for the love of all of everything

Team sure a heck seems like TKN/Araris to me but that may be a titled call out

Why do you say TKN/me? I basically opened the day by pushing for TKN, when there previously hadn't been any pressure on him.

I'll also echo that self-voting isn't great. I'd even prefer Aeoryi to vote on me rather than herself, since that at least gives everyone else some info.

3 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

VC?

I think I'm currently close to the lead here, so I'll vote Aeoryi as a semi self-pres, semi based on my earlier suspicions. I could be convinced to Frustration or DeTess though. I would prefer Stink over either of those. 

You can save yourself if you're still near to being exed at EOD. Now is the time to convince people to vote somewhere.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Can you not self vote for the love of all of everything

Team sure a heck seems like TKN/Araris to me but that may be a titled call out

Well I am vote manip...

But if I had to guess, 2 elims active and one filter dodging

 

6 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why do you say TKN/me? I basically opened the day by pushing for TKN, when there previously hadn't been any pressure on him.

I'll also echo that self-voting isn't great. I'd even prefer Aeoryi to vote on me rather than herself, since that at least gives everyone else some info.

You can save yourself if you're still near to being exed at EOD. Now is the time to convince people to vote somewhere.

Voting on yourself isn't a bad idea when it costs your vote to riot another

3 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

VC?

I think I'm currently close to the lead here, so I'll vote Aeoryi as a semi self-pres, semi based on my earlier suspicions. I could be convinced to Frustration or DeTess though. I would prefer Stink over either of those. 

Would you be as so kind as to not exe stink D3? I've already stressed why enough

     I mean filter dodging is an incrediably scummy tactic. Doubt anyone is doing that... hopefully 

@tkn, Remember when I offered to be complaint killed d1? I think that's good enough evidence to not vote me.

[Mat he/him]

29 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why do you say TKN/me? I basically opened the day by pushing for TKN, when there previously hadn't been any pressure on him.

Wdym no pressure, he was the countertrain yesterday and Archer and I have pushed him for awhile. I thought it was weird that TKN left you out of his post entirely while mentioning Frustration/DeTess when imo there hasn’t been any huge difference of play between you three. If he’s fine voting them idk why he wouldn’t also be fine voting you. So there’s a connection.

18 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Voting on yourself isn't a bad idea when it costs your vote to riot another

You could just not vote though :P. I’m paranoid of elim RBs hitting you.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

22 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why do you say TKN/me? I basically opened the day by pushing for TKN, when there previously hadn't been any pressure on him.

I'll also echo that self-voting isn't great. I'd even prefer Aeoryi to vote on me rather than herself, since that at least gives everyone else some info.

You can save yourself if you're still near to being exed at EOD. Now is the time to convince people to vote somewhere.

Don't ask what was going through my head when I made that post. Thought it was almost EoD or something idk.

14 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Would you be as so kind as to not exe stink D3? I've already stressed why enough

Are you referencing them needing to post more to get a better read? Cause that's not really an argument at this point. STINK is always a low-poster regardless of alignment, and he's not like me where I drastically ramp up come c3. 

Oh yeah. STINK. I will move if necessary to live, but this is my preferred exe.

17 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

@tkn, Remember when I offered to be complaint killed d1? I think that's good enough evidence to not vote me.

Not really. I don't think e!you would expect anyone to follow up on that, and even if you did, I don't know you well enough to know you wouldn't be willing to gambit that. I actually don't like that you're trying to use it for v!cred here, feels like something an elim would do. Set up an NAI thing then try to argue for v!points later. I've done that plenty actually, it's a pretty common tactic.

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, The Known Novel said:

where I drastically ramp up come c3. 

Lol :eyes:

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Lol :eyes:

?

[Aeoryi she/her]

Stink

nonono, the whole "lets not kill those cause cc stuff"

you want more proof?

Okay I don't have any

feel free to exe me. I'm sure that my potential for the vote manip to be used and the lovely green mislynch will help greatly with exlo

You have a go

[Mat he/him]

17 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

?

I just wouldn’t have said your content drastically ramped up, that’s all :P.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

17 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I just wouldn’t have said your content drastically ramped up, that’s all :P.

Compared to d1 and even n1, I would say it's pretty drastic. But I was also referencing past games as well rather than just this one.

[Aeoryi she/her]

4 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Compared to d1 and even n1, I would say it's pretty drastic. But I was also referencing past games as well rather than just this one.

I just want to say i don't care about the rate of change when it comes to your posting.

 

[DeTess she/her]

vote count:

Araris(1): Mat, Aeoryi

TKN(2): DeTess, Araris

DeTess(1): Frustration

Aeoryi(0): Aeoryi, TKN

STINK(2): TKN, Aeoryi

 

@Frustration, Which situation do you believe is better:

1. no vanilla villagers pass any investiture, elim vanilla pass investiture to elim mages to let them power out their abilities more often.
2. vanilla villagers gather and pass investiture, giving it to others at their best judgement, resulting in both villagers and elims getting some investiture, but more to the village than the elims?

@Araris Valerianif you do intent to move your vote to me, could you do it soonish? I won't be around for the last 8-ish hours of the cycle, and I'd prefer to get to respond to a move like that...

I don't really like the STINK vote. They're low active enough that their death, even if they are an elim, won't teach us much now.

[Aeoryi she/her]

24 minutes ago, DeTess said:

vote count:

Araris(1): Mat, Aeoryi

TKN(2): DeTess, Araris

DeTess(1): Frustration

Aeoryi(0): Aeoryi, TKN

STINK(2): TKN, Aeoryi

 

@Frustration, Which situation do you believe is better:

1. no vanilla villagers pass any investiture, elim vanilla pass investiture to elim mages to let them power out their abilities more often.
2. vanilla villagers gather and pass investiture, giving it to others at their best judgement, resulting in both villagers and elims getting some investiture, but more to the village than the elims?

@Araris Valerianif you do intent to move your vote to me, could you do it soonish? I won't be around for the last 8-ish hours of the cycle, and I'd prefer to get to respond to a move like that...

I don't really like the STINK vote. They're low active enough that their death, even if they are an elim, won't teach us much now.

i agree with u about the train. So I will vote u instead. deTess. wait actually... we want to encourage participation. So JNV would've been an easy exe but I already mentioned cc is not a got enough reason to vote people out. Oh wait, then what do we do? I personally feel like Aeoryi is not giving enough reasons behind their vote so I will place my vote on her. 

[DeTess she/her]

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

 So JNV would've been an easy exe but I already mentioned cc is not a got enough reason to vote people out. 

Why are you looking for 'easy' exes?

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 hours ago, DeTess said:

Why are you looking for 'easy' exes?

someone i wouldn't be opposed too in terms of exeing. it also may or may not be 4 a.m. r

[Araris Valerian he/him]

5 hours ago, DeTess said:

Araris Valerianif you do intent to move your vote to me, could you do it soonish? I won't be around for the last 8-ish hours of the cycle, and I'd prefer to get to respond to a move like that...

I decided against it. I’m sticking with TKN this cycle; feel good about him.

[Mat he/him]

TKN

Maybe this is a bad idea as I actually prefer Araris but idk what the count is and I’m not about to let DeTess or Aeoryi die before TKN/Araris

[STINK he/him]

Huh

Well this is certainly something isn't it

[Mat he/him]

58 minutes ago, STINK said:

Huh

Well this is certainly something isn't it

What do you think about it?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

10 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

I just want to say i don't care about the rate of change when it comes to your posting.

 

I don't care that you don't care about the rate of change when it comes to my posting. It was simply a counterpoint to your defense of STINK.

[Mark IV he/him]

21 hours ago, DeTess said:

Signs of a TKN-Aeoryi-mark team? (mostly joking here)

mostly 

11 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Wdym no pressure, he was the countertrain yesterday and Archer and I have pushed him for awhile. I thought it was weird that TKN left you out of his post entirely while mentioning Frustration/DeTess when imo there hasn’t been any huge difference of play between you three. If he’s fine voting them idk why he wouldn’t also be fine voting you. So there’s a connection.

Still, I feel like Araris bringing attention to TKN in his first vote this cycle is not insignificant. My first gut reaction is to trust that there isn't really a link between Araris and TKN. 

However, I seem to recall someone mentioning that Araris can and will bus a teammate if it comes down to it, unapologetically so. If that is the case, I could imagine Araris noticing the votes on TKN last cycle and trying to use that. 

On that note though, I am mildly surprised by Araris' sudden burst in activity. I intedned to say it gave me a v!Araris read, somewhat, but now I can't seem to remember exactly why. Could be he's just an elim who happened to become more active this turn. I'll have to think on it a little. 

11 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Stink

nonono, the whole "lets not kill those cause cc stuff"

you want more proof?

Okay I don't have any

feel free to exe me. I'm sure that my potential for the vote manip to be used and the lovely green mislynch will help greatly with exlo

You have a go

9 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

i agree with u about the train. So I will vote u instead. deTess. wait actually... we want to encourage participation. So JNV would've been an easy exe but I already mentioned cc is not a got enough reason to vote people out. Oh wait, then what do we do? I personally feel like Aeoryi is not giving enough reasons behind their vote so I will place my vote on her. 

Woah, just chill out. If you're that indecisive, you do have the option of not voting instead of smearing red all over. Also, green text. Helps with the vote counts. 

12 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Voting on yourself isn't a bad idea when it costs your vote to riot another

16 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

Just my opinion, but no, it is not a good idea to vote for yourself even if you're a vote manip whose vote is discounted when they use their action. As Mat said, maybe you'll be roleblocked. And in general, it's just misleading. But, you can do as you wish. This is Whimsy's shardworld, after all. :shrug:

 

17 hours ago, Frustration said:

She downplayed the risk of passing Investiture to a Elim.

No, she was emphasising the importance of passing amongst villagers, I think (haven't reread D1 in a while, but that was the impression I got). For any village power, whether the target is buffed or debuffed by the effect, there is always a risk of mistargeting and hitting players of the wrong faction (village for debuff and elims for buffs etc). But if you follow Exp's direciton of reasoning, then villagers would almost never end up using their powers.

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My general thoughts:

Araris: You mentioned it might still make sense for e!Devo to kill Exp if Devo themself was not a mage - but having someone pass you Investiture frees up your action to pass Investiture, which means you don't have to alternate between harvesting and passing every other cycle. The only scenario where it does make sense is if the elims don't have any mages in the first place. In which case, I don't think an e!Devo would have encouraged passing investiture because then there's little (still non zero, but not as large) potential for it to actively hurt the village by passing investiture. (The only negative case would be if the elims ended up making everyone pass them investiture and hoarded it to themselves). 

On the whole, I'm not entirely in favour of the DeTess votes. I've previously explained why I think she's not elim. 

Aeoryi still reads pretty much as village to me. I'm in agreement with Mat here that DeTess and Aeoryi are very far down on my list of people to vote for. 

Mat himself, though, I'm not sure. I don't think I've played a game with you when you were elim, right Mat? But his helpful village vibe is exactly the vibe I've come to expect from good elims I have played with (when I used to play regularly). It really puts me on guard about his posts. But I mostly find myself agreeing with them. 

However, I do agree with Stink's post last night cycle here a little - Mat does point out that he didn't want Archer dead, but he doesn't seem to have done much for it, apart from making a couple of posts rereading makes me realise the Szeth votes were a last minute thing, so understandably might have been missed by someone not online at rollover. Is that what happened, Mat? 

(Also, sorry for exe-ing Archer. Bad decision on my part. Sorry, Archer)

.Honestly, the TKN vote seems reasonable to me. TKN flipping either village or elim would be some information (because of how today has turned out), I feel, while also not killing someone I have active reads on. (I had reads on Araris, I just can't remember why).

So, TKN. Probably my last post for the cycle. I apologise for the lack of activity - I was not at home for the weekend, last minute plans. But the turn sure did turn out to be interesting :3

Edit: Mat, I did PM you after the Archer vote about it. It was well past my bed time, so I can see now that it didn't make much sense to do so, but you did have the chance to get me to change my vote. And you still haven't replied to the PM. My guess would have to be that you weren't on for ~6 hours before rollover. But, what's your story there?

Does no one do white text anymore :/

Edited October 15, 2023 by Mark IV
Typos

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 minute ago, Mark IV said:

Still, I feel like Araris bringing attention to TKN in his first vote this cycle is not insignificant. My first gut reaction is to trust that there isn't really a link between Araris and TKN. 

However, I seem to recall someone mentioning that Araris can and will bus a teammate if it comes down to it, unapologetically so. If that is the case, I could imagine Araris noticing the votes on TKN last cycle and trying to use that. 

I have games where I do both. It's one of those things that makes people always suspicious of me. Last MR I unapologetically defended my teammate Wiz even after he did something pretty obviously evil. And there was a LG where I got the most powerful role on my team voted out.

At the start of the cycle I would have been pretty tempted to swap to DeTess, but the way things have played out made me rethink.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

4 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

So, TKN. Probably my last post for the cycle. I apologise for the lack of activity - I was not at home for the weekend, last minute plans. But the turn sure did turn out to be interesting :3

I'll say since this is your last post, it's probably not a very good idea to vote me out. I don't want to explain too much, but I would strongly recommend going for whoever is next on your list and just waiting a second on me. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

I'll say since this is your last post, it's probably not a very good idea to vote me out. I don't want to explain too much, but I would strongly recommend going for whoever is next on your list and just waiting a second on me. 

What's to stop that person from saying something similar?

[Mark IV he/him]

1 minute ago, The Known Novel said:

I'll say since this is your last post, it's probably not a very good idea to vote me out. I don't want to explain too much, but I would strongly recommend going for whoever is next on your list and just waiting a second on me. 

You could just PM me.

That is, if you think there's anything to be discussed in PMs right now. My seconds on the list are either people whom I get more information for from your lynch or people I have no read on due to not much being said in thread

[Mat he/him]

19 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Edit: Mat, I did PM you after the Archer vote about it. It was well past my bed time, so I can see now that it didn't make much sense to do so, but you did have the chance to get me to change my vote. And you still haven't replied to the PM. My guess would have to be that you weren't on for ~6 hours before rollover. But, what's your story there?

I didn’t have the chance to get you to change your vote, actually, beyond asking the entire thread not to kill Archer. I made it clear I was going to be afk past my last post. All you said about Archer in the PM is that you didn’t think we were both evil, you would take my opinion into account, and you were unsure but planning to leave your vote on him to see if he squirms (even though he also made it clear he was going to be afk for the majority of the turn). Dunno why you expected me to reply to that PM past the cycle you sent it, considering it was about your vote that turn and I’d already made my cases.

@The Known Novel don’t cage, if you have something worth not killing your over you better just say it