Will Kelsier Show up in the second Mistborn Trilogy

[CaptainRyan he/him]

The question was whether or not he'd show up. He 'technically' hasn't. Caused a nice chunk of the plot, yes, but that isn't quite the same thing.

 

Well, 'technically', his arms were visible in the book.

Also, relevant: https://xkcd.com/1475/

[lordofsoup]

dam this be some mean necromancy

[Nyali she/her]

Secret History spoilers.

Of course Kelsier will show up again. He has 14 more Shards to punch in the face, after all. Of course, four of those are going to be fairly difficult... especially since he has to go Beyond to find them, but I have confidence in his divine-face-punching talents.

[Argel he/him]

The question was whether or not he'd show up. He 'technically' hasn't. Caused a nice chunk of the plot, yes, but that isn't quite the same thing.

 

Well, there is still one more book in the trilogy....

[Massik he/him]

As a "tell" and not as a "show" character, sure.

Secret History+Bands of Mourning has him as such already. I think he will just be past tense/flashback in The Lost Metal, as the Southerner culture needs to be fleshed out. Though, I suppose it may depend on what we actually discover of Trell. It could even be he shows in the "third age" of the Mistoborn series. (His roles in secret history could mean he has essentially figured out how to be immortal)

But, I am more curious as to how he may fit in the greater Cosmere arc.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Massik

[Vissy]

I want Kelsier to return as a viewpoint character - because we just can't miss him punching the last fourteen Shards.

[Jondesu he/him]

I want Kelsier to return as a viewpoint character - because we just can't miss him punching the last fourteen Shards.

Three of them are a little past being punched already, as far as we can tell. I don't think he's going to get to punch them all.

jW

[kenod]

Perhaps he could punch the Stormfather instead of Honour? Or Dalinar?

[Vissy]

He can still punch a Seon and a Skaze, too.

[Nyali she/her]

As I said earlier in this thread, after punching the other ten, he can totally go Beyond to punch the last four. Remember that four are dead, not three, because Threnody.

[Nashan’Elin he/him]

Wasn't it said at some point that Kell would be a major character in the fourth Mistborn arc?

[Vissy]

We'll probably see him around earlier than that.

[Massik he/him]

Now I wonder if there will be another secret history type of book. There's always another secret (history)?

[Vissy]

Yes, I think there will be.

[kenod]

I think he will shown up, after a few months someone either notices it or Brandon drops a hint. Then we spent another couple of months speculating until Brandon confirms which guess is right, and then we will spend half a year making theories about the impact of whatever Kelsier did until we run out of inspiration or the next book comes out.

[Vissy]

We'll probably get something in the Lost Metal.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Appearing in a memory isn't quite the same as actually showing up.

Personally, I felt the memory was mostly a confirmation of what was already clear; once Alik started talking it was obvious to me who the Sovereign had to be. (As in I started jumping up and down shrieking 'Kelsier's back!!') Once the Bands were revealed to be a spearhead and the whole temple a con, I rather thought Wax should have at least begun to suspect with the memory being confirmation. I'm quite disappointed in him.

(It is also why I disagree with the possibility of the Sovereign being anyone else; it was the personality that informed me. Though I guessed even before that. My reaction to Marasi's graveyard monologue was 'Okay Brandon, I got it. Kell is coming back in this book, right? You can stop bashing me over the head now.')

[Vissy]

So can you refresh our memories? I don't remember them talking about the Sovereign much at all.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

Alik is talking about how the Sovereign hid the Bands and left orders for it not to be looked for, but that this was interpreted as a challenge to find them because the Sovereign liked doing things like that. And I pretty much went "Kelsier is back!" while jumping up and down screaming. It was just so clearly something he would do, at least to me. I could just see him doing that... so I wasn't all that surprised that he did. 

Here's the quote: '“Thank you, Wonderful One,” Allik said. He heaved a sigh. “Well, ever since the Sovereign’s elite told us the stories, we’ve tried to find the bracers.” “Find them?” Waxillium said. “You told us he’d left the Bands there for himself.” “Well, yah, but everyone interprets it as a challenge. A test sent by the Sovereign? He was fond of those. Why would he let priests tell us about them, if he didn’t want us to come claim them?'

Of course, I had been tipped off by Marasi's graveyard monologue... 'The Survivor himself, of course, broke the rules. He always had. Doctrine explained he was not dead, but surviving—and planning to return in their time of greatest need. But if the end of the world hadn’t been enough to get him to return in his glory, then what could possibly do so?' This felt a bit blatant. I was actually disappointed that I didn't get to meet Kell after that.

After that, there was the Sovereign's Spearhead, the temple con, and a lot of things that just made sense if Kell was the Sovereign. The memory was great, but it felt more like a ' Just in case someone didn't get it' than anything else. Then I came onto the forum and discovered that I'm the odd one... Sigh...

(Then again, I called Harry/Ginny at the age of seven after reading book one, with only two books released. Never did get why people hadn't realized this was always the plan... Guess I'm just weird that way. Shrugs.)

[Nyali she/her]

3 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

(Then again, I called ...

Please don't include spoilers for other books outside of spoiler tags, even if you think everyone else has already read them... (<-- still hasn't read Harry Potter despite meaning to)

Edited August 18, 2016 by Nyali

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

I'm sorry. But the books have been out for nine years now. That's long past the point where things are usually considered spoilers. And it's a minor plot point that I called in 1998! That's almost twenty years ago!

Am I allowed to talk about the Lord of the Rings? (Published in the 50s?) How about La Morte D'Arthur? (Published several centuries ago?) The Illiad and the Oddesey? (Ancient Greece) How far back does a book have to be published to be mentioned without worrying about spoilers?

This forum usually says six months for information from a new book not to be considered a spoiler. Considering that Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince came out eleven years ago, we are long past the point where spoiler tags would be expected, let alone required. It would be one thing if the book came out a year, or even two years ago. Eleven years?!

I'm really sorry that you feel you were spoiled, but eleven years is a bit much to expect someone to use spoiler tags, especially for a well known work.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I bet Kelsier will be involved in some way. I mean, he has already been involved in era 1.5, although we never directly saw him in the story. I'm not sure how his survival factors into plot technique, but I'm sure he will be alive in era 2 so I imagine he will at least be involved on the sidelines.

Also speaking of Kelsier and secrets, what if Kelsier was secretly electrum compounder?

Edited August 19, 2016 by Drake Marshall

[Vissy]

Well IIRC there's going to be one more book for this current era of Mistborn, so...

We might see more Kelsier and Marsh there.

[Jondesu he/him]

15 hours ago, Rob Lucci said:

Well IIRC there's going to be one more book for this current era of Mistborn, so...

We might see more Kelsier and Marsh there.

Yeah, The Lost Metal.  I won't be surprised if we see at least one of those two, maybe both.  I don't know that I'm as confident we'll see Kelsier in the later eras, but it's not impossible.  I would love to see a man with criss-crossing scars on his arms pop up on Roshar, though.

jW